| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411533 is a reply to message #411515] |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 22:17:35 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> Indeed! Your son was there, I think you said.
>
> No you must be thinking of someone else. In the mid 1980s I was
> trying to persuade my employer at the time to sign up for a slot to
> connect via UKC - it would have been 15 minutes at dark o'clock if I'd
> succeeded.
O probably mixed up two peope, sorry.
> I was an undergrad at Cambridge when UUCP was getting started so
> missed out on all the fun then. The closest I got to global networking
> in those days was watching a fellow student (who did some very
> questionable work on copy protection as a profitable sideline) using the
> EPSS[1] terminal to hop from system to system in various places using
> credentials gleaned from somewhere[2] until he gleefully reached a login
> screen claiming to be at the Pentagon and said he was stuck there
> (thankfully!).
>
> [1] Prototype X25 network.
Of course, we had EPSS too. Think the gateway was a PDP-11.
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411538 is a reply to message #411496] |
Sun, 03 October 2021 07:31 |
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Originally posted by: Carlos E. R.
On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
> On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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>> I think that my ISP did sell us to some local mail provider, certainly
>> not google. I suffer hiccups.
>>
>> Now, I realize that I should be with an independent mail provider,
>> because it makes me impossible to migrate ISP. Too many people know my
>> address, too many services I registered or subscribed, too big a
>> nuisance to change. Back then, I did not imagine this. Although I think
>> that back then independent mail providers were more expensive or didn't
>> offer similar service to what my ISP offered.
>
> I ran into problems like this once. So I registered my own domains and
> run my own mail server so I know I'll never be left hanging by a
> provider. It is the safest way to maintain continuity especially with a
> personal brand or business presence. Since this hierarchy is beginning
> to look like a retirement community I want to offer some advice to our
> future caretakers.
>
> All youngsters and nascent hackers:
>
> 1. Register a domain name and never lose it.
>
> 2. Pay for at least 5 years in advance and put it on your calendar to
> check yearly.
>
> 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.
And how do you do this?
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Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411543 is a reply to message #411525] |
Sun, 03 October 2021 11:34 |
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Originally posted by: Alan Ralph
On 2021-10-03 at 5:27:34 am BST, "711 Spooky Mart" <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
> And right on cue, Billgatus of Borg has succeeded with Event 201 and
> COVID-1984. Hundreds of millions of former humans have been assimilated.
> Masking rituals, useless shots of experimental, contaminated placebo
> serum, vaccine passports and contact tracing are technologies to keep
> drones obedient to the Borg collective, at least in the hive mind of
> Billgatus and Fauccitus. The old magazine cover is prophetic!
*facepalms*
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411544 is a reply to message #411523] |
Sun, 03 October 2021 12:46 |
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On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 23:07:59 -0500, 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart>
wrote:
> On 10/2/21 10:57 AM, D.J. wrote:
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>> The university computer staff on main campus had told us 'newsgroups
>> are impossible at this time'.
>>
>> So, we went about proving they were wrong.
>
> Never tell a geek what is possible or allowable. That invites mayhem. ;)
They were geeks to, but not very good ones at what they did.
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411545 is a reply to message #411523] |
Sun, 03 October 2021 13:14 |
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On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 23:07:59 -0500
711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
> On 10/2/21 10:57 AM, D.J. wrote:
>
>> The university computer staff on main campus had told us 'newsgroups
>> are impossible at this time'.
>>
>> So, we went about proving they were wrong.
>
> Never tell a geek what is possible or allowable. That invites mayhem. ;)
Indeed, if you want to prevent geeks from doing something make it
very clear that the something is the kind of boring silly stunt that only
clueless idiots do because it's easy and makes trouble and nobody with half
a brain would bother.
That approach pretty much kept the 370 from being hacked by
students at Cambridge[1] - that and the "we catch you at it we revoke your
access" policy.
[1] The only example I recall in three years was an ASCII[2] art Enterprise
flying round all the terminals in the room late one night - the image was
bigger than a terminal.
[2] I think all the terminals were ASCII - there was a pair of PDP-11s
between the 370 and the terminals.
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411546 is a reply to message #411518] |
Sun, 03 October 2021 13:31 |
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On 2021-10-03, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 13:34:03 -0700, "Chris M. Thomasson"
> <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On 10/2/2021 9:49 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 15:13:14 GMT, Branimir Maksimovic
>>> <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-10-02, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this newsgroup.. I don't
>>>> > mean age, but who's been here the longest.
>>>>
>>>> i am on "usenet since 1996 :P
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>>> Earliest post of mine that I can find is 1997. Was on Compuserve for
>>> a long time before that.
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>> My first post was way back on Compuserve around 1994 iirc.
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> Mine would have been some time in the early '80s. I still have my
> Smartmodem 300--if the 1200 had existed at the time I would have gone
> with that so that puts me somewhere around 1981.
At least if you could afford the 1200 bucks for the modem.
The shop where I worked at the time had a 1200-bps modem attached
to the mainframe for remote maintenance. It was seldom used, so
I often snuck it home so I could dial up BBSes at something better
than 300 bps.
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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | It can be beautiful -
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | but it won't.
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411547 is a reply to message #411527] |
Sun, 03 October 2021 13:31 |
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On 2021-10-03, 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
> On 10/2/21 2:41 PM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
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>> On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:32:41 GMT
>> Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Before that I was running my own serverS at home, ftp, web, but there
>>
>> I run web, incoming email, ssh and VPN servers at home all in
>> separate FreeBSD jails - with a gigabit down and 100 megabit up why not.
>
> I agree with your true "can do" attitude. Perhaps this sentiment is
> appropos: 'I do it because I can. That is "can do so, so do can"
> attitude.' You are a digital martial artist in the art of "can do so, i do."
Be careful - it's dangerously easy to cross over into the belief that
"if something can be done, it should be done." A lot of bad things
have been done - and are being done today - because of this.
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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | It can be beautiful -
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411548 is a reply to message #411523] |
Sun, 03 October 2021 13:31 |
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On 2021-10-03, 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
> On 10/2/21 10:57 AM, D.J. wrote:
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>> The university computer staff on main campus had told us 'newsgroups
>> are impossible at this time'.
>>
>> So, we went about proving they were wrong.
>
> Never tell a geek what is possible or allowable. That invites mayhem. ;)
Always listen to experts. They'll tell you
what can't be done, and why. Then do it.
-- Robert A. Heinlein: The Notebooks of Lazarus Long
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411549 is a reply to message #411545] |
Sun, 03 October 2021 13:35 |
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On 2021-10-03, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 23:07:59 -0500
> 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
>
>> On 10/2/21 10:57 AM, D.J. wrote:
>>
>>> The university computer staff on main campus had told us 'newsgroups
>>> are impossible at this time'.
>>>
>>> So, we went about proving they were wrong.
>>
>> Never tell a geek what is possible or allowable. That invites mayhem. ;)
>
> Indeed, if you want to prevent geeks from doing something make it
> very clear that the something is the kind of boring silly stunt that only
> clueless idiots do because it's easy and makes trouble and nobody with half
> a brain would bother.
That pretty much sums up my approach to cat-proofing: make it boring.
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/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Life is perverse.
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | It can be beautiful -
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | but it won't.
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411550 is a reply to message #411549] |
Sun, 03 October 2021 14:28 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Sun, 03 Oct 2021 17:35:32 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
<cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2021-10-03, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 23:07:59 -0500
>> 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/2/21 10:57 AM, D.J. wrote:
>>>
>>>> The university computer staff on main campus had told us 'newsgroups
>>>> are impossible at this time'.
>>>>
>>>> So, we went about proving they were wrong.
>>>
>>> Never tell a geek what is possible or allowable. That invites mayhem. ;)
>>
>> Indeed, if you want to prevent geeks from doing something make it
>> very clear that the something is the kind of boring silly stunt that only
>> clueless idiots do because it's easy and makes trouble and nobody with half
>> a brain would bother.
>
> That pretty much sums up my approach to cat-proofing: make it boring.
I have long felt that the easiest way to prevent teenagers from having
sex is to give them classes in that topic at the usual level of
public-school pedagogy. Hormones may defeat boringness but at least
boringness will put up a fight.
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411565 is a reply to message #411538] |
Sun, 03 October 2021 23:57 |
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Originally posted by: 711 Spooky Mart
On 10/3/21 6:31 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>> On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
[...]
>> 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.
>
> And how do you do this?
TL;DR : Hestia Control Panel -- https://hestiacp.com/
Instant solution : namecheap.com hosting
Option A : become mired to your eyeballs in Linux / BSD administration
and set up networking, hosts, bind for DNS, and a mail server,
interface, MTA, and your DKMS, and SSL certificates using
Acme/LetsEncrypt. If you want heavy-duty security, maybe run with
FreeBSD and do everything with SSH using ECC key authentication with
password login and challenge disabled.
Option B : use a shared web host with cPanel or WebMin which saves a lot
of config foo and usually does all your configuration automatically just
by putting pointing your registrar to the host and adding your domain in
cPanel. This is a good option for people who don't know Linux command
line foo.
Option C : get a VPS or single board at home and install something like
HestiaCP, WebMin, cPanel. I like hestiaCP. It's like cPanel but free and
open source. I've not had a hiccup with it. HestiaCP creates all your
DNS records, manages your clamav, mail, package updates, firewall, and
ssl certificates automatically. It lets you administer everything on the
server with a web browser interface. There is some major shell power
under the hood and lots of command line options so you can manage it
over SSH if you want.
I mostly use option B and C with my setups. Option A is a lot more work
and I'd rather play with spiders than mess with a monster pile of config
code, especially trying to make bind play nice. I also dislike manually
configuring IPtables--never a pleasure and easy to get wrong then
painful to troubleshoot. If I need to jump ship to another machine or
host, I would likely need to configure everything all over again, which
I want to avoid.
With Hestia Control Panel you can backup and export configuration so if
you need to move hosts you can do so quickly with little fuss. Once you
have it set up on a home server or a VPS it should run for years with
little or no problems. The team of programmers that develops HestiaCP
are hosting providers and administrators who use it in production so it
should be around for a long time.
To back up your email folders from the server use rsync over SSH or SFTP
to another host or to a physical machine at home. Rsync is efficient and
has worked for me for many years.
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411574 is a reply to message #411565] |
Mon, 04 October 2021 08:06 |
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Originally posted by: Carlos E. R.
On 04/10/2021 05.57, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
> On 10/3/21 6:31 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>>> On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>> 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.
>>
>> And how do you do this?
>
> TL;DR : Hestia Control Panel -- https://hestiacp.com/
> Instant solution : namecheap.com hosting
>
> Option A : become mired to your eyeballs in Linux / BSD administration
> and set up networking, hosts, bind for DNS, and a mail server,
> interface, MTA, and your DKMS, and SSL certificates using
> Acme/LetsEncrypt. If you want heavy-duty security, maybe run with
> FreeBSD and do everything with SSH using ECC key authentication with
> password login and challenge disabled.
That is, install a mail server at home. Requires a fixed IP.
Having my own domain is trivial, setting up and maintaining a mail
server is not.
(no problem with Linux)
> Option B : use a shared web host with cPanel or WebMin which saves a lot
> of config foo and usually does all your configuration automatically just
> by putting pointing your registrar to the host and adding your domain in
> cPanel. This is a good option for people who don't know Linux command
> line foo.
>
> Option C : get a VPS or single board at home and install something like
> HestiaCP, WebMin, cPanel. I like hestiaCP. It's like cPanel but free and
> open source. I've not had a hiccup with it. HestiaCP creates all your
> DNS records, manages your clamav, mail, package updates, firewall, and
> ssl certificates automatically. It lets you administer everything on the
> server with a web browser interface. There is some major shell power
> under the hood and lots of command line options so you can manage it
> over SSH if you want.
>
> I mostly use option B and C with my setups. Option A is a lot more work
> and I'd rather play with spiders than mess with a monster pile of config
> code, especially trying to make bind play nice. I also dislike manually
> configuring IPtables--never a pleasure and easy to get wrong then
> painful to troubleshoot. If I need to jump ship to another machine or
> host, I would likely need to configure everything all over again, which
> I want to avoid.
>
> With Hestia Control Panel you can backup and export configuration so if
> you need to move hosts you can do so quickly with little fuss. Once you
> have it set up on a home server or a VPS it should run for years with
> little or no problems. The team of programmers that develops HestiaCP
> are hosting providers and administrators who use it in production so it
> should be around for a long time.
>
> To back up your email folders from the server use rsync over SSH or SFTP
> to another host or to a physical machine at home. Rsync is efficient and
> has worked for me for many years.
>
So, there is no easy solution, it is not "just setup your own domain".
You need to "somehow" setup your own mail server, either at home, or
rented. And maintain it, either fully or partially.
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Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411576 is a reply to message #411574] |
Mon, 04 October 2021 09:11 |
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On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 14:06:04 +0200
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> That is, install a mail server at home. Requires a fixed IP.
You only *need* a public one, it is possible to operate with a
dynamic public IP using dynamic DNS - every domain provider I know of also
provides free DNS with DDNS support, there are other options (such as
Hurricane Electric's free DNS service). A fixed IP address does avoid a
little bouncing retrying when it changes but SMTP MTAs are robust things
that have a long history of delivering over unreliable networks.
> Having my own domain is trivial, setting up and maintaining a mail
> server is not.[4 yorkshiremen]
An incoming delivery only (no relaying permitted) server coupled
with an IMAP/POP3 server is pretty trivial to set up, at least as long as
you keep the IMAP/POP3 on the LAN so you don't have to worry about it being
attacked - I VPN to my LAN when travelling rather than deal with exposing
services externally.
Sending outgoing mail directly is a nightmare of the first order
subject to sudden death when someone else spammed with the dynamic IP you
just picked up - bad craziness! But then every ISP I know of provides an
outgoing mail relay so just use that if it works or find one that does
(my ISP's doesn't so I use the free tier of a commercial email delivery
service whose main business is ensuring delivery for big companies).
It did take some fiddling to set up the arrangement I have, but
it's maintenance free apart from keeping OS and packages up to date.
[4 yorkshiremen] For a while on my first home internet connection with
Demon I used Demon's packaged ka9q on MSDOS which included an SMTP server
to which Demon would deliver mail for my domain (a subdomain of demon.co.uk)
and any subdomains of it I cared to use. While I was online mail would
be delivered directly to it using the static IP address provided as part
of the service and configured as the primary MX. This, along with email,
ftp, usenet and telnet clients all built in under ka9q's multitasker, was an
effortless "install and use it" thing provided gratis by the ISP back in
1992.
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411580 is a reply to message #411490] |
Mon, 04 October 2021 10:17 |
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Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> writes:
> On 9/30/2021 7:36 PM, Bob Eager wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:25:46 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 01:44:05 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 9/29/2021 10:44 AM, Rich wrote:
>>>> > Now we have a problem that few folks younger than X even know of
>>>> > Usenet, or if they do, they only know if it as "that place where one
>>>> > downloads binaries via NZB files". And with #1 (few ISP's carrying it
>>>> > anymore) it is hard to gain new folks joining up to discuss anything.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, but there must be a few stand-outs.. I've been lurking in various
>>>> text newsgroups for years, and posting in a few as well. I'm 26 years
>>>> old, for the record.. :)
>>>
>>> I'm reading and posting for 25 years now, which is more than half of my
>>> life (is that what you call "Half Life? ;-).
>>
>> 40 years for me, and that's more than half of mine!
>
> I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this newsgroup.. I don't
> mean age, but who's been here the longest.
Probably Dan, he beat me by a year (1979 vs. 1980).
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411581 is a reply to message #411498] |
Mon, 04 October 2021 10:19 |
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Mainlander <Mainlander@katamail.com> writes:
> On 2021-10-02, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>> In alt.folklore.computers Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> On 2021-10-01, Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>> hosting (to those that need it). For NNTP, I pay for a personal account
>>>> with a global usenet host, while home access uses a free provider
>>>> that doesn't allow access from work networks.
>>>>
>>
>>> me as well, usenet server 5$ for lifetime :P
>>
>> Which server is that? Do they still offer it and has binaries? ;)
>>
>
> binaries are a PITA. No necessary, specially when you are 77+ :)
At that age, alt.binaries.woodworking is probably more interesting
than alt.binaries.erotica.
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411582 is a reply to message #411574] |
Mon, 04 October 2021 10:21 |
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Originally posted by: Rich
In sci.crypt Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 04/10/2021 05.57, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>> On 10/3/21 6:31 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>>>> On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.
>>>
>>> And how do you do this?
>>
>> TL;DR : Hestia Control Panel -- https://hestiacp.com/
>> Instant solution : namecheap.com hosting
>>
>> Option A : become mired to your eyeballs in Linux / BSD administration
>> and set up networking, hosts, bind for DNS, and a mail server,
>> interface, MTA, and your DKMS, and SSL certificates using
>> Acme/LetsEncrypt. If you want heavy-duty security, maybe run with
>> FreeBSD and do everything with SSH using ECC key authentication with
>> password login and challenge disabled.
>
> That is, install a mail server at home. Requires a fixed IP.
>
> Having my own domain is trivial, setting up and maintaining a mail
> server is not.
Setting up a mailserver for a single domain at home using Postfix
involves editing about four to five lines of the default Postfix config
file (and the config file is heavily commented, 90%+ is comments
describing what each option performs).
It comes, out of the box, already configured for this use-case (single
domain), and all you are telling it by the edits is little more than
what your domain name is so it knows who to send/receive as and what IP
addresses are used on your local network.
Long gone are the days of sendmail.cf files and arcane M4 macros (both
still exist if you prefer that). But Postfix makes it nearly 'turnkey'
for setting one up. And that default setup is also secure overall as
well.
Postfix has also been quite good at forward compatibility, seldom does
an old config file fail to 'configure' a newer version, so
"maintaining" is more often than not a "shutdown, upgrade to new
version, restart" cycle for the mailserver.
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411588 is a reply to message #411582] |
Mon, 04 October 2021 11:29 |
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Originally posted by: Branimir Maksimovic
On 2021-10-04, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> In sci.crypt Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 04/10/2021 05.57, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>>> On 10/3/21 6:31 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>>>> > On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> > 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.
>>>>
>>>> And how do you do this?
>>>
>>> TL;DR : Hestia Control Panel -- https://hestiacp.com/
>>> Instant solution : namecheap.com hosting
>>>
>>> Option A : become mired to your eyeballs in Linux / BSD administration
>>> and set up networking, hosts, bind for DNS, and a mail server,
>>> interface, MTA, and your DKMS, and SSL certificates using
>>> Acme/LetsEncrypt. If you want heavy-duty security, maybe run with
>>> FreeBSD and do everything with SSH using ECC key authentication with
>>> password login and challenge disabled.
>>
>> That is, install a mail server at home. Requires a fixed IP.
>>
>> Having my own domain is trivial, setting up and maintaining a mail
>> server is not.
>
> Setting up a mailserver for a single domain at home using Postfix
> involves editing about four to five lines of the default Postfix config
> file (and the config file is heavily commented, 90%+ is comments
> describing what each option performs).
>
I have my own smtp server, but don't feel the need to do that :P
as i wuold be only user :P
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Evil Sinner!
to weak you should be meek, and you should brainfuck stronger
https://github.com/rofl0r/chaos-pp
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411592 is a reply to message #411589] |
Mon, 04 October 2021 12:17 |
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Originally posted by: Richard Heathfield
On 04/10/2021 16:42, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Oct 2021 14:17:49 GMT scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
> wrote:
>
>> Probably Dan, he beat me by a year (1979 vs. 1980).
>
> Anyone who claims to have used USENET before 1979 is having memory
> problems.
I distinctly remember several long discussions with Abe Lincoln in
soc.it.2me in the 1850s. IIRC he went on to develop quite a keen
interest in politics.
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Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411594 is a reply to message #411592] |
Mon, 04 October 2021 12:38 |
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Originally posted by: Branimir Maksimovic
On 2021-10-04, Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
> On 04/10/2021 16:42, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Mon, 04 Oct 2021 14:17:49 GMT scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Probably Dan, he beat me by a year (1979 vs. 1980).
>>
>> Anyone who claims to have used USENET before 1979 is having memory
>> problems.
>
> I distinctly remember several long discussions with Abe Lincoln in
> soc.it.2me in the 1850s. IIRC he went on to develop quite a keen
> interest in politics.
>
Great! Thank YOU!
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7-77-777
Evil Sinner!
to weak you should be meek, and you should brainfuck stronger
https://github.com/rofl0r/chaos-pp
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411604 is a reply to message #411574] |
Mon, 04 October 2021 14:42 |
lawrence
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"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
> On 04/10/2021 05.57, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>> On 10/3/21 6:31 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>>>> On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.
>>>
>>> And how do you do this?
>>
>> TL;DR : Hestia Control Panel -- https://hestiacp.com/
>> Instant solution : namecheap.com hosting
>>
>> Option A : become mired to your eyeballs in Linux / BSD administration
>> and set up networking, hosts, bind for DNS, and a mail server,
>> interface, MTA, and your DKMS, and SSL certificates using
>> Acme/LetsEncrypt. If you want heavy-duty security, maybe run with
>> FreeBSD and do everything with SSH using ECC key authentication with
>> password login and challenge disabled.
>
> That is, install a mail server at home. Requires a fixed IP.
That is *one way* to skin that cat. It is probably the most
straight-forward, but is by no means the only way.
> Having my own domain is trivial, setting up and maintaining a mail
> server is not.
It's a skill no harder than learning to play checkers. Perhaps I have
observation bias because I've been doing it for thirty years for
fun-and-money, but never has it been "difficult".
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411607 is a reply to message #411580] |
Mon, 04 October 2021 16:00 |
Dan Espen
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scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
> Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> writes:
>> On 9/30/2021 7:36 PM, Bob Eager wrote:
>>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:25:46 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 01:44:05 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > On 9/29/2021 10:44 AM, Rich wrote:
>>>> >> Now we have a problem that few folks younger than X even know of
>>>> >> Usenet, or if they do, they only know if it as "that place where one
>>>> >> downloads binaries via NZB files". And with #1 (few ISP's carrying it
>>>> >> anymore) it is hard to gain new folks joining up to discuss anything.
>>>> >
>>>> > Ah, but there must be a few stand-outs.. I've been lurking in various
>>>> > text newsgroups for years, and posting in a few as well. I'm 26 years
>>>> > old, for the record.. :)
>>>>
>>>> I'm reading and posting for 25 years now, which is more than half of my
>>>> life (is that what you call "Half Life? ;-).
>>>
>>> 40 years for me, and that's more than half of mine!
>>
>> I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this newsgroup.. I don't
>> mean age, but who's been here the longest.
>
> Probably Dan, he beat me by a year (1979 vs. 1980).
Oldest or using Usenet longest?
I'm only 75.
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411608 is a reply to message #411589] |
Mon, 04 October 2021 16:10 |
Dan Espen
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
> On Mon, 04 Oct 2021 14:17:49 GMT
> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>
>> Probably Dan, he beat me by a year (1979 vs. 1980).
>
> Anyone who claims to have used USENET before 1979 is having memory
> problems.
A long time ago. I went to Bell Labs to work on a mainframe
application. I believe that stint was entirely in 79.
We had multiple ways to edit the source code. I preferred the UNIX
based ways. Someone showed me Rogue. I believe rec.games.rogue was the first
newsgroup I accessed.
Of course I have memory problems like everyone my age but that's the way
I remember it.
I also remember the rogue arrow bug. Petty sure I found out about the
bug on Usenet.
I think you did something like drop an arrow. When you picked it up
it could have any amount of hit power. Negative was no good.
I got one with insane amounts of hit power and tried to find out how
deep I could descend.
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411628 is a reply to message #411608] |
Tue, 05 October 2021 00:11 |
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Originally posted by: Michael Trew
On 10/4/2021 4:10 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot<steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>
>> On Mon, 04 Oct 2021 14:17:49 GMT
>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>>
>>> Probably Dan, he beat me by a year (1979 vs. 1980).
>>
>> Anyone who claims to have used USENET before 1979 is having memory
>> problems.
>
> A long time ago. I went to Bell Labs to work on a mainframe
> application. I believe that stint was entirely in 79.
> We had multiple ways to edit the source code. I preferred the UNIX
> based ways. Someone showed me Rogue. I believe rec.games.rogue was the first
> newsgroup I accessed.
>
> Of course I have memory problems like everyone my age but that's the way
> I remember it.
>
> I also remember the rogue arrow bug. Petty sure I found out about the
> bug on Usenet.
>
> I think you did something like drop an arrow. When you picked it up
> it could have any amount of hit power. Negative was no good.
> I got one with insane amounts of hit power and tried to find out how
> deep I could descend.
1979 in Bell Labs.. that's awesome, thanks for sharing!
I don't see a rec.game or .games .. must be long gone now.
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411629 is a reply to message #411526] |
Tue, 05 October 2021 00:13 |
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Originally posted by: Michael Trew
On 10/3/2021 12:24 AM, songbird wrote:
> Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 9/30/2021 7:36 PM, Bob Eager wrote:
>>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:25:46 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 01:44:05 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > On 9/29/2021 10:44 AM, Rich wrote:
>>>> >> Now we have a problem that few folks younger than X even know of
>>>> >> Usenet, or if they do, they only know if it as "that place where one
>>>> >> downloads binaries via NZB files". And with #1 (few ISP's carrying it
>>>> >> anymore) it is hard to gain new folks joining up to discuss anything.
>>>> >
>>>> > Ah, but there must be a few stand-outs.. I've been lurking in various
>>>> > text newsgroups for years, and posting in a few as well. I'm 26 years
>>>> > old, for the record.. :)
>>>>
>>>> I'm reading and posting for 25 years now, which is more than half of my
>>>> life (is that what you call "Half Life? ;-).
>>>
>>> 40 years for me, and that's more than half of mine!
>>
>> I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this newsgroup.. I don't
>> mean age, but who's been here the longest.
>
> i have no idea when my first post to this newsgroup happened and
> i don't know exactly when my first usenet post happened, but it was
> probably sometime between the fall of 1981 and 1986. i know i was
> reading and writing to some email lists back then too. for a while
> i could only read usenet posts but could not write back and then
> someone made it work that the local system would propagate posts.
>
> i wrote some good stuff back then, i was full of much more BS
> than i am now. :)
>
> my real early posts i had saved some of them but that disk
> crashed and i never recovered all of it and eventually i even
> erased my backups of the bits of the crashed disk so i could
> stop thinking about messing with it more. i just did not want
> all that old e-mails to dredge through and also all my old
> usenet posts. the things that i missed the most though were
> a few poems i wrote. they were good. now lost in the bits
> of time unless someone finds a full usenet archive that i can
> actually search without tearing what is little left of my
> hair out.
>
>
> songbird
That's quite a history.. haven't seen you in RFC for a while!
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411631 is a reply to message #411608] |
Tue, 05 October 2021 01:38 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Mon, 04 Oct 2021 16:10:00 -0400
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>
>> On Mon, 04 Oct 2021 14:17:49 GMT
>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>>
>>> Probably Dan, he beat me by a year (1979 vs. 1980).
>>
>> Anyone who claims to have used USENET before 1979 is having
>> memory problems.
>
> A long time ago. I went to Bell Labs to work on a mainframe
> application. I believe that stint was entirely in 79.
> We had multiple ways to edit the source code. I preferred the UNIX
> based ways. Someone showed me Rogue. I believe rec.games.rogue was the
> first newsgroup I accessed.
>
> Of course I have memory problems like everyone my age but that's the way
> I remember it.
Thing is USENET was invented in 1979 at Duke University and the
first three computers (all in North Carolina) were peered in 1980 using the
first released version of the software. It spread like wildfire after that
of course but those were the start dates in every account of it I have ever
read.
i have a terrible time trying to pin down when things happened that
I remember, often it is a matter of deduction.
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Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411633 is a reply to message #411631] |
Tue, 05 October 2021 02:26 |
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Originally posted by: 711 Spooky Mart
On 10/5/21 12:38 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> Thing is USENET was invented in 1979 at Duke University and the
> first three computers (all in North Carolina) were peered in 1980 using the
> first released version of the software. It spread like wildfire after that
> of course but those were the start dates in every account of it I have ever
> read.
Al Gore attended Duke University?
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411635 is a reply to message #411633] |
Tue, 05 October 2021 03:12 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 01:26:28 -0500
711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
> On 10/5/21 12:38 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
>> Thing is USENET was invented in 1979 at Duke University and the
>> first three computers (all in North Carolina) were peered in 1980 using
>> the first released version of the software. It spread like wildfire
>> after that of course but those were the start dates in every account of
>> it I have ever read.
>
> Al Gore attended Duke University?
Al Gore *built* Duke University, he taught Tom Truscott and Jim
Ellis just after he got Bill Gates excited about the microprocessors he'd
told the guys at Intel how to make. All this as a warm up to discovering
climate change.
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411636 is a reply to message #411581] |
Tue, 05 October 2021 03:36 |
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Originally posted by: Maus
On 2021-10-04, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Mainlander <Mainlander@katamail.com> writes:
>> On 2021-10-02, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>> In alt.folklore.computers Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2021-10-01, Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>> > hosting (to those that need it). For NNTP, I pay for a personal account
>>>> > with a global usenet host, while home access uses a free provider
>>>> > that doesn't allow access from work networks.
>>>> >
>>>
>>>> me as well, usenet server 5$ for lifetime :P
>>>
>>> Which server is that? Do they still offer it and has binaries? ;)
>>>
>>
>> binaries are a PITA. No necessary, specially when you are 77+ :)
>
> At that age, alt.binaries.woodworking is probably more interesting
> than alt.binaries.erotica.
At that age, you are on the rolling plains of memory, in which you can remember
things that your children would rather that you forget. I like to recall
potty training them all. The Rolling Stones are supposed to be touring
next year.
--
greymausg@mail.com
That's not a mousehole!
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411642 is a reply to message #411576] |
Tue, 05 October 2021 04:28 |
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Originally posted by: Carlos E. R.
On 04/10/2021 15.11, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 14:06:04 +0200
> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> That is, install a mail server at home. Requires a fixed IP.
>
> You only *need* a public one, it is possible to operate with a
> dynamic public IP using dynamic DNS - every domain provider I know of also
> provides free DNS with DDNS support, there are other options (such as
> Hurricane Electric's free DNS service). A fixed IP address does avoid a
> little bouncing retrying when it changes but SMTP MTAs are robust things
> that have a long history of delivering over unreliable networks.
Problem is, there are servers that require reverse DNS to work, and here
with dynamic address it will probably not. Other servers will detect it
is a dynamic address and refuse to talk to you upfront. And of course,
it can happen that somebody tries to send an email to me the instant the
DNS changes and goes to the wrong machine; at best it doesn't respond
and tries again later; at worst it goes to another home mail server.
>
>> Having my own domain is trivial, setting up and maintaining a mail
>> server is not.[4 yorkshiremen]
>
> An incoming delivery only (no relaying permitted) server coupled
> with an IMAP/POP3 server is pretty trivial to set up, at least as long as
> you keep the IMAP/POP3 on the LAN so you don't have to worry about it being
> attacked - I VPN to my LAN when travelling rather than deal with exposing
> services externally.
I know, because I have one. As to being easy to maintain...
>
> Sending outgoing mail directly is a nightmare of the first order
> subject to sudden death when someone else spammed with the dynamic IP you
> just picked up - bad craziness! But then every ISP I know of provides an
> outgoing mail relay so just use that if it works or find one that does
> (my ISP's doesn't so I use the free tier of a commercial email delivery
> service whose main business is ensuring delivery for big companies).
And there your plan goes bad, because *here* every ISP I know refuses to
set up an outgoing mail relay.
All ISPs I tried only allow you sending email IF your From address
belongs to their pool (which can be a single host).
As to a commercial email delivery, didn't find any. Not "free", certainly.
> It did take some fiddling to set up the arrangement I have, but
> it's maintenance free apart from keeping OS and packages up to date.
>
> [4 yorkshiremen] For a while on my first home internet connection with
> Demon I used Demon's packaged ka9q on MSDOS which included an SMTP server
> to which Demon would deliver mail for my domain (a subdomain of demon.co.uk)
> and any subdomains of it I cared to use. While I was online mail would
> be delivered directly to it using the static IP address provided as part
> of the service and configured as the primary MX. This, along with email,
> ftp, usenet and telnet clients all built in under ka9q's multitasker, was an
> effortless "install and use it" thing provided gratis by the ISP back in
> 1992.
>
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411643 is a reply to message #411635] |
Tue, 05 October 2021 04:41 |
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Originally posted by: 711 Spooky Mart
On 10/5/21 2:12 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 01:26:28 -0500
> 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
>
>> On 10/5/21 12:38 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>
>>> Thing is USENET was invented in 1979 at Duke University and the
>>> first three computers (all in North Carolina) were peered in 1980 using
>>> the first released version of the software. It spread like wildfire
>>> after that of course but those were the start dates in every account of
>>> it I have ever read.
>>
>> Al Gore attended Duke University?
>
> Al Gore *built* Duke University, he taught Tom Truscott and Jim
> Ellis just after he got Bill Gates excited about the microprocessors he'd
> told the guys at Intel how to make. All this as a warm up to discovering
> climate change.
>
I thought that the older twin, Bronto Soros discovered climate change.
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411645 is a reply to message #411582] |
Tue, 05 October 2021 05:04 |
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Originally posted by: Carlos E. R.
On 04/10/2021 16.21, Rich wrote:
> In sci.crypt Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 04/10/2021 05.57, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>>> On 10/3/21 6:31 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>>>> > On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> > 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.
>>>>
>>>> And how do you do this?
>>>
>>> TL;DR : Hestia Control Panel -- https://hestiacp.com/
>>> Instant solution : namecheap.com hosting
>>>
>>> Option A : become mired to your eyeballs in Linux / BSD administration
>>> and set up networking, hosts, bind for DNS, and a mail server,
>>> interface, MTA, and your DKMS, and SSL certificates using
>>> Acme/LetsEncrypt. If you want heavy-duty security, maybe run with
>>> FreeBSD and do everything with SSH using ECC key authentication with
>>> password login and challenge disabled.
>>
>> That is, install a mail server at home. Requires a fixed IP.
>>
>> Having my own domain is trivial, setting up and maintaining a mail
>> server is not.
>
> Setting up a mailserver for a single domain at home using Postfix
> involves editing about four to five lines of the default Postfix config
> file (and the config file is heavily commented, 90%+ is comments
> describing what each option performs).
You don't have to sell me that, all my machines have a working postfix
and some also have a working dovecot server as well.
Fortunately, port 25 is not blocked here.
Keeping that working on internet, and tracking every time an email fails
to send or receive, is a job.
Like some destination not accepting your emails because XXX. Mailing the
mail admin there - oops, bounces. Ooops, account full. Ooops, I have to
contact them on a web form instead, or via phone, or via fax...
No, thank you.
Using an ISP relay server? Unknown concept here.
No, the only way I would accept the idea of having my own domain for
email would be telling a commercial mail provider to use my domain
instead of their domain. If I change mail provider, I carry my domain to
another mail provider.
Whether that is possible here, I do not know for sure. Was not possible
20 years ago or i did not find it.
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Carlos E.R.
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411646 is a reply to message #411642] |
Tue, 05 October 2021 05:44 |
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On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 10:28:23 +0200
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> As to a commercial email delivery, didn't find any. Not "free", certainly.
Email me (steve at sohara dot org) if you want to know which one I'm
using - it's free for up to 2000 emails per month (they quote prices up to
1.5 million per month after that they want to talk and make a deal) and
hasn't let me down yet.
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411647 is a reply to message #411644] |
Tue, 05 October 2021 06:07 |
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Originally posted by: Maus
On 2021-10-05, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 5 Oct 2021 07:36:45 GMT
> Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> wrote:
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>> The Rolling Stones are supposed to be touring next year.
>
> It's a good thing my parents didn't live to see Mick Jagger
> knighted, the apoplexy would have carried them off.
>
Still, he is fun, and does not preach. When will they accept "Its all
over now"
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411651 is a reply to message #411647] |
Tue, 05 October 2021 07:57 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On 5 Oct 2021 10:07:08 GMT
Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> wrote:
> On 2021-10-05, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On 5 Oct 2021 07:36:45 GMT
>> Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Rolling Stones are supposed to be touring next year.
>>
>> It's a good thing my parents didn't live to see Mick Jagger
>> knighted, the apoplexy would have carried them off.
>>
>
> Still, he is fun, and does not preach.
Oh I agree, but to them he was a poster child for all the things
they hated about the 60s ... like fun for example.
> When will they accept "Its all over now"
Just before the funerals most likely, Charlie Watts didn't miss any
gigs.
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411652 is a reply to message #411628] |
Tue, 05 October 2021 08:31 |
Dan Espen
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Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> writes:
> On 10/4/2021 4:10 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot<steveo@eircom.net> writes:
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>>> On Mon, 04 Oct 2021 14:17:49 GMT
>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Probably Dan, he beat me by a year (1979 vs. 1980).
>>>
>>> Anyone who claims to have used USENET before 1979 is having memory
>>> problems.
>>
>> A long time ago. I went to Bell Labs to work on a mainframe
>> application. I believe that stint was entirely in 79.
>> We had multiple ways to edit the source code. I preferred the UNIX
>> based ways. Someone showed me Rogue. I believe rec.games.rogue was the first
>> newsgroup I accessed.
>>
>> Of course I have memory problems like everyone my age but that's the way
>> I remember it.
>>
>> I also remember the rogue arrow bug. Petty sure I found out about the
>> bug on Usenet.
>>
>> I think you did something like drop an arrow. When you picked it up
>> it could have any amount of hit power. Negative was no good.
>> I got one with insane amounts of hit power and tried to find out how
>> deep I could descend.
>
> 1979 in Bell Labs.. that's awesome, thanks for sharing!
>
> I don't see a rec.game or .games .. must be long gone now.
Currently subscribed to rec.games.pinball.
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411654 is a reply to message #411651] |
Tue, 05 October 2021 09:48 |
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Originally posted by: Maus
On 2021-10-05, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 5 Oct 2021 10:07:08 GMT
> Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> wrote:
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>> On 2021-10-05, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On 5 Oct 2021 07:36:45 GMT
>>> Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Rolling Stones are supposed to be touring next year.
>>>
>>> It's a good thing my parents didn't live to see Mick Jagger
>>> knighted, the apoplexy would have carried them off.
>>>
>>
>> Still, he is fun, and does not preach.
>
> Oh I agree, but to them he was a poster child for all the things
> they hated about the 60s ... like fun for example.
>
>> When will they accept "Its all over now"
>
> Just before the funerals most likely, Charlie Watts didn't miss any
> gigs.
>
One of them had a farm over towards Naas. If anthing happened to a
machine, mechanic's I knew would would almost fight to go, lovely 19
y.o. Russian girlfriend,, Fun. Amazing how they survived.
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411657 is a reply to message #411633] |
Tue, 05 October 2021 09:48 |
Peter Flass
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711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
> On 10/5/21 12:38 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
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>> Thing is USENET was invented in 1979 at Duke University and the
>> first three computers (all in North Carolina) were peered in 1980 using the
>> first released version of the software. It spread like wildfire after that
>> of course but those were the start dates in every account of it I have ever
>> read.
>
> Al Gore attended Duke University?
>
Al Gore INVENTED Duke University!
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| Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411661 is a reply to message #411657] |
Tue, 05 October 2021 10:17 |
scott
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Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
> 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
>> On 10/5/21 12:38 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>
>>> Thing is USENET was invented in 1979 at Duke University and the
>>> first three computers (all in North Carolina) were peered in 1980 using the
>>> first released version of the software. It spread like wildfire after that
>>> of course but those were the start dates in every account of it I have ever
>>> read.
>>
>> Al Gore attended Duke University?
>>
>
> Al Gore INVENTED Duke University!
Although Al Gore, himself, has _never_ actually claimed to
have invented the Internet - that's a calumny invented by
political opponents.
Al Gore did, however, facilitate the funding of the organization
that was responsible for the underpinnings of the modern
Internet when he was Senator.
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