| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #405970 is a reply to message #405953] |
Thu, 25 February 2021 00:03   |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2021-02-24, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> If I sent a letter home from my ship in the Mediterranean Sea, it
> could take a month. Now they have live conferencing and email.
And Nigerian scams, and phishing, and web pages full of advertising...
> I remember my grandmother and I going outside when Sputnik went
> overhead. Now there are thousands of satellites. Cell phones were
> considered to be science fiction back then. Now billions of people
> have them.
And they're so busy looking at them that they don't even see all those
satellites whizzing overhead on a clear night. Stars? What are stars?
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X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | I'm willing to make."
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #405981 is a reply to message #405970] |
Thu, 25 February 2021 10:59 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On 25 Feb 2021 05:03:42 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:
> On 2021-02-24, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If I sent a letter home from my ship in the Mediterranean Sea, it
>> could take a month. Now they have live conferencing and email.
>
> And Nigerian scams, and phishing, and web pages full of advertising...
>
>> I remember my grandmother and I going outside when Sputnik went
>> overhead. Now there are thousands of satellites. Cell phones were
>> considered to be science fiction back then. Now billions of people
>> have them.
>
> And they're so busy looking at them that they don't even see all those
> satellites whizzing overhead on a clear night. Stars? What are stars?
Light pollution blocks lots of stars from being seen.
Saw a report on a big city a few years ago, I think it was NYC, when
they had a massive power failure. People living there were astounded
at the stars.
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Jim
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #405990 is a reply to message #405981] |
Thu, 25 February 2021 18:44 |
Mike Spencer
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JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes:
> On 25 Feb 2021 05:03:42 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
> wrote:
>> And they're so busy looking at them that they don't even see all those
>> satellites whizzing overhead on a clear night. Stars? What are stars?
>
> Light pollution blocks lots of stars from being seen.
>
> Saw a report on a big city a few years ago, I think it was NYC, when
> they had a massive power failure. People living there were astounded
> at the stars.
When I moved here in '69, I arrived at my new home well after dark on
a chilly April night. On the road since 8:00 AM, Horace -- a friend,
long time city resident, along as a switch-off driver -- and I
clambered out of the pickup cab to stretch. His first and memorable
words on my new Nova Scotia homestead? "Look at all the stars,
Spencer! Look at all the fuckin' stars!!"
But even here, in a rather darkish spot as seen on images of global
light pollution, our nearest neighbor has, a couple of decades ago,
opted for an always-on sodium vapor street light in his dooryard. Ho
hum.
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Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #405992 is a reply to message #405966] |
Thu, 25 February 2021 20:28 |
Peter Flass
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 24 Feb 2021 17:33:22 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-02-24, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It moves slowly when you’re going thru it, but looking back you realize
>>> how short a time it’s been. Hopefully fusion power by 2035.
>>
>> Don't hold your breath. Fusion has been 10 years away for the last 50 years.
>
> That depends on who you talk to. If you're talking to people who have
> actually built a fusion reactor that produces theoretical breakeven
> they're saying some time in the 2080-2100 timeframe for a working
> power plant. If you're talking to Lockheed or other beltway bandits
> who have never actually built any kind of fusion reactor the "ten
> years away" is more common.
>
I’m following Commonwealth Fusion, who seem to have a plan. There’s another
similar startup, I think on the west coast. We’ll have to see. I hope i’m
around long enough.
One thing I expect to be true, based on everything that’s come before, is
that there will prove to be some kind of unexpected serious problems once
fusion is actually in operation.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #405993 is a reply to message #405981] |
Thu, 25 February 2021 20:28 |
Peter Flass
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JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 25 Feb 2021 05:03:42 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
> wrote:
>> On 2021-02-24, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If I sent a letter home from my ship in the Mediterranean Sea, it
>>> could take a month. Now they have live conferencing and email.
>>
>> And Nigerian scams, and phishing, and web pages full of advertising...
>>
>>> I remember my grandmother and I going outside when Sputnik went
>>> overhead. Now there are thousands of satellites. Cell phones were
>>> considered to be science fiction back then. Now billions of people
>>> have them.
>>
>> And they're so busy looking at them that they don't even see all those
>> satellites whizzing overhead on a clear night. Stars? What are stars?
>
> Light pollution blocks lots of stars from being seen.
>
> Saw a report on a big city a few years ago, I think it was NYC, when
> they had a massive power failure. People living there were astounded
> at the stars.
>
I remember when I was a kid (seems to be a day for memories) I’d come back
from the drive-in about midnight and so many stars were visible I really
hot a sense for the immensity of the universe. When I moved to Phoenix a
few years ago I expected to be awed, having heard stories about stars in
the desert sky. I’m in the extreme south of the city, cut off from downtown
by a mountain and about three blocks from empty desert, but the light
pollutions is so bad only five or six of the brightest stars are visible.
I’m disappointed.
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Pete
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #405994 is a reply to message #405970] |
Thu, 25 February 2021 20:29 |
Peter Flass
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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2021-02-24, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If I sent a letter home from my ship in the Mediterranean Sea, it
>> could take a month. Now they have live conferencing and email.
>
> And Nigerian scams, and phishing, and web pages full of advertising...
>
>> I remember my grandmother and I going outside when Sputnik went
>> overhead. Now there are thousands of satellites. Cell phones were
>> considered to be science fiction back then. Now billions of people
>> have them.
>
> And they're so busy looking at them that they don't even see all those
> satellites whizzing overhead on a clear night. Stars? What are stars?
>
I was so excited by Sputnik. Mom, Dad, and I went out unto the front yard
and watched it all the way across the sky. i think it was sputnik that
blinked, but it may have been some other satellite - opposite hemispheres
were black and silver, so it blinked as it rotated.
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Pete
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #405999 is a reply to message #405992] |
Fri, 26 February 2021 00:05 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:28:41 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 24 Feb 2021 17:33:22 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-02-24, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It moves slowly when you’re going thru it, but looking back you realize
>>>> how short a time it’s been. Hopefully fusion power by 2035.
>>>
>>> Don't hold your breath. Fusion has been 10 years away for the last 50 years.
>>
>> That depends on who you talk to. If you're talking to people who have
>> actually built a fusion reactor that produces theoretical breakeven
>> they're saying some time in the 2080-2100 timeframe for a working
>> power plant. If you're talking to Lockheed or other beltway bandits
>> who have never actually built any kind of fusion reactor the "ten
>> years away" is more common.
>>
>
> I’m following Commonwealth Fusion, who seem to have a plan. There’s another
> similar startup, I think on the west coast. We’ll have to see. I hope i’m
> around long enough.
I wish them well, but they're very likely to discover the same thing
that the ITER team already knows--you gotta go big.
>
> One thing I expect to be true, based on everything that’s come before, is
> that there will prove to be some kind of unexpected serious problems once
> fusion is actually in operation.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #406000 is a reply to message #404161] |
Fri, 26 February 2021 00:19 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2021-02-26, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On 25 Feb 2021 19:44:57 -0400, Mike Spencer wrote:
>
>> But even here, in a rather darkish spot as seen on images of global
>> light pollution, our nearest neighbor has, a couple of decades ago,
>> opted for an always-on sodium vapor street light in his dooryard.
>> Ho hum.
>
> They're nasty. Before switching to LED there was a streetlight in front
> of my windows. They don't just die when broken. They go on and off, and
> on and off... First couple of nights I was too lazy to close the
> curtains. Could barely sleep. Took a few days after I emailed the city to
> have it replaced.
It was only a few years ago that high-power LED fixtures were showing
a similar failure mode. I haven't seen that for a couple of years
though - LED fixtures of all sorts seem to still be improving.
The problem I'm seeing more and more is mis-aimed fixtures. I'm
about to write the city about a couple of private parking lots
where LED fixtures are sending out intense beams horizontally,
blinding passersby. Mind you, given the state of many modern
automobile headlights - glorified in their ads - it seems that
it is now acceptable to blind anyone in the vicinity.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #406010 is a reply to message #405994] |
Fri, 26 February 2021 07:56 |
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Originally posted by: gareth evans
On 26/02/2021 01:29, Peter Flass wrote:
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2021-02-24, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If I sent a letter home from my ship in the Mediterranean Sea, it
>>> could take a month. Now they have live conferencing and email.
>>
>> And Nigerian scams, and phishing, and web pages full of advertising...
>>
>>> I remember my grandmother and I going outside when Sputnik went
>>> overhead. Now there are thousands of satellites. Cell phones were
>>> considered to be science fiction back then. Now billions of people
>>> have them.
>>
>> And they're so busy looking at them that they don't even see all those
>> satellites whizzing overhead on a clear night. Stars? What are stars?
>>
>
> I was so excited by Sputnik. Mom, Dad, and I went out unto the front yard
> and watched it all the way across the sky. i think it was sputnik that
> blinked, but it may have been some other satellite - opposite hemispheres
> were black and silver, so it blinked as it rotated.
>
I was 6 years old at that time, but I distinctly remember people in the
road looking up at was probably an aeroplane glinting in the rays
from the setting sun and discussing whether or not it was the Sputnink.
One side effect of the launch of the Sputnik was that the world of
make-believe in the shape of the Christian and Jewish tradition was
completely debunked when the Sputnik did not hit a Blue Firmament
on the way up.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #406011 is a reply to message #406000] |
Fri, 26 February 2021 07:59 |
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Originally posted by: gareth evans
> On 2021-02-26, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> They're nasty. Before switching to LED there was a streetlight in front
>> of my windows. They don't just die when broken. They go on and off, and
>> on and off... First couple of nights I was too lazy to close the
>> curtains. Could barely sleep. Took a few days after I emailed the city to
>> have it replaced.
"on and off, and on and off"?
Proof, if any were needed, that Binary somewhere plays a part
in their operation? :-)
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #406021 is a reply to message #405993] |
Fri, 26 February 2021 14:52 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:28:42 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 25 Feb 2021 05:03:42 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>> On 2021-02-24, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I sent a letter home from my ship in the Mediterranean Sea, it
>>>> could take a month. Now they have live conferencing and email.
>>>
>>> And Nigerian scams, and phishing, and web pages full of advertising...
>>>
>>>> I remember my grandmother and I going outside when Sputnik went
>>>> overhead. Now there are thousands of satellites. Cell phones were
>>>> considered to be science fiction back then. Now billions of people
>>>> have them.
>>>
>>> And they're so busy looking at them that they don't even see all those
>>> satellites whizzing overhead on a clear night. Stars? What are stars?
>>
>> Light pollution blocks lots of stars from being seen.
>>
>> Saw a report on a big city a few years ago, I think it was NYC, when
>> they had a massive power failure. People living there were astounded
>> at the stars.
>>
>
> I remember when I was a kid (seems to be a day for memories) Id come back
> from the drive-in about midnight and so many stars were visible I really
> hot a sense for the immensity of the universe. When I moved to Phoenix a
> few years ago I expected to be awed, having heard stories about stars in
> the desert sky. Im in the extreme south of the city, cut off from downtown
> by a mountain and about three blocks from empty desert, but the light
> pollutions is so bad only five or six of the brightest stars are visible.
> Im disappointed.
Same in Texas. We would be driving back to the house from a drive-in
theater and see lots of stars. Last time I was back over there, high
pressure sodium lights lined the highway. Of course, the drive-ins are
all gone to.
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Jim
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #406023 is a reply to message #406021] |
Fri, 26 February 2021 15:53 |
Anne & Lynn Wheel
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JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes:
> theater and see lots of stars. Last time I was back over there, high
> pressure sodium lights lined the highway. Of course, the drive-ins are
> all gone to.
in early 80s, I started HSDT project, t1 and faster speed links ... was
also working with NSF director and was suppose to get $20M to
interconnecct the NSF supercomputer centers (congress then cuts the
budget, some other things happen, and eventually NSF puts out RFP in
part based on what we already had running). NSF had also given $60M to
UC for a Berkeley supercomputer center ... but the regents master plan
had UCSD getting the next bldg ... so it went there instead (UCSD
supercomputer center operations subcontracted to general atomics).
Something of side effect, got involved in the Berkeley 10m telescope
project, they were doing some testing at Lick observatory (east of san
jose) ... including playing with CCDs as part of converting astronomy
from film to electronics (and be able to do remote observing from ground
level and back on the mainland). They only had 200x200 pel CCD (40k) for
testing but there were rumors that Spielberg had 2Kx2K (4mpel) CCDs
(migrating movie industry from film to CCD).
At the time San Jose was going to convert from mercury to sodium
street lights and Lick was fighting over high-pressure sodium
verses low-pressure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_vapor_lamp#Light_pollut ion_considerations
Eventually the project got a grant from Keck Foundation and it becomes
the Keck Observatory
https://www.keckobservatory.org/
the initial sizing of mainland remote viewing was it needed at
least 800kbits/sec.
NSF RFP trivia drift: internal politics prevent us from bidding, the NSF
director tries to help by writting the company a letter, copying the CEO
(with support from other gov. agencies) ... but that just made the
internal politics worse (as did comments that what we already had
running was at least 5yrs ahead of all RFP responses). old post with
copy of 28Mar1986 preliminary release.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002k.html#12
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #406027 is a reply to message #404756] |
Fri, 26 February 2021 17:22 |
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On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:06:28 PM UTC-7, Peter Flass wrote:
> I don’t think Switzerland is an EU country, but there are differences
> among Swiss, Austrian, and German German. How do they handle spelling
> differences? It’s like US, Canadian, and UK spelling. Everyone likes to see
> things the way they’re used to, even if it’s as minor as “color” vs
> “colour”.
Despite German coming far closer to spelling things as they
are pronounced than English, only a few years ago, they decided
it was necessary to change how German was spelled.
Except for continuing to eschew the eszet, the Swiss (and, for
that matter, the Austrians) agreed to participate in the spelling
reform along with Germany. So apparently German spelling is
largely uniform across the German-speaking countries, even if
it is at variance with the spelling of the great bulk of literature
written in the German language.
Which is, of course, one major reason why the English-speaking
world has so far resisted calls for the reform of its spelling,
however flawed it may be.
John Savard
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #406028 is a reply to message #406027] |
Fri, 26 February 2021 17:40 |
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Originally posted by: Thomas Koenig
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> schrieb:
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:06:28 PM UTC-7, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>> I don’t think Switzerland is an EU country, but there are differences
>> among Swiss, Austrian, and German German. How do they handle spelling
>> differences? It’s like US, Canadian, and UK spelling. Everyone likes to see
>> things the way they’re used to, even if it’s as minor as “color” vs
>> “colour”.
>
> Despite German coming far closer to spelling things as they
> are pronounced than English, only a few years ago, they decided
> it was necessary to change how German was spelled.
That is true, but the changes were small - so small that I
thought it was not really worth it to go to all the trouble
of a reform for so litte.
A _big_ reform would have changed the spelling of "Physik"
(physics) to "Füsik". However, it is likely that physicis would
have thrown bricks through the windows of their germanist colleagues
at university, so they didn't change that.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #406030 is a reply to message #406027] |
Fri, 26 February 2021 18:28 |
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 14:22:24 -0800 (PST)
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> Which is, of course, one major reason why the English-speaking
> world has so far resisted calls for the reform of its spelling,
> however flawed it may be.
Merriam-Webster was a pretty severe reform of English spelling.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #406043 is a reply to message #406030] |
Sat, 27 February 2021 05:43 |
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On 2021-02-26, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 14:22:24 -0800 (PST)
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> Which is, of course, one major reason why the English-speaking
>> world has so far resisted calls for the reform of its spelling,
>> however flawed it may be.
>
> Merriam-Webster was a pretty severe reform of English spelling.
Otherwise you mostly see it in niche applications, like the NATO
phonetic alphabet. It has "Alfa" for A, which I think had something to
do with certain NATO languages having difficulties with "ph" being
pronounced as "f".
Alfa is also the NATO designation for a rather interesting class of
Soviet submarine.
Niklas
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badly that we're going to have to hold onto desks to stop us from being
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #406044 is a reply to message #404161] |
Sat, 27 February 2021 05:51 |
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Originally posted by: gareth evans
On 27/02/2021 01:53, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 12:59:57 +0000, gareth evans wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-02-26, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> They're nasty. Before switching to LED there was a streetlight in front
>>>> of my windows. They don't just die when broken. They go on and off, and
>>>> on and off... First couple of nights I was too lazy to close the
>>>> curtains. Could barely sleep. Took a few days after I emailed the city to
>>>> have it replaced.
>>
>> "on and off, and on and off"?
>>
>> Proof, if any were needed, that Binary somewhere plays a part
>> in their operation? :-)
>
> May be the light wanted to tell me something? May be it was even Morse
> code in very slow motion?
>
She was the radio operator's daughter, but she only didit
because her Dada didit?
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #406046 is a reply to message #406044] |
Sat, 27 February 2021 06:19 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 10:51:32 +0000
gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
> She was the radio operator's daughter, but she only didit
> because her Dada didit?
That's a mangled variant of "She was only the telegrapher's
daughter but she didit ah didit ah dah".
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #406074 is a reply to message #404161] |
Sun, 28 February 2021 15:59 |
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Originally posted by: Vir Campestris
On 27/02/2021 15:22, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On 27 Feb 2021 10:43:03 GMT, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
<snip>
>> Otherwise you mostly see it in niche applications, like the NATO
>> phonetic alphabet. It has "Alfa" for A, which I think had something to
>> do with certain NATO languages having difficulties with "ph" being
>> pronounced as "f".
>>
>> Alfa is also the NATO designation for a rather interesting class of
>> Soviet submarine.
> We used Zulu-, Alpha- (with "ph") and Bravo- time in the West-German army.
The clever bit about the NATO alphabet is that it doesn't matter.
I'm still not sure if it's Lima or lemur :)
Andy
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #406084 is a reply to message #406074] |
Sun, 28 February 2021 22:50 |
Andreas Kohlbach
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On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 20:59:52 +0000, Vir Campestris wrote:
>
> On 27/02/2021 15:22, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On 27 Feb 2021 10:43:03 GMT, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
> <snip>
>
>>> Alfa is also the NATO designation for a rather interesting class of
>>> Soviet submarine.
>> We used Zulu-, Alpha- (with "ph") and Bravo- time in the West-German army.
>
> The clever bit about the NATO alphabet is that it doesn't matter.
Back then we were only told. Nothing to read up on. So I couldn't tell
whether it is "Alpha" or "Alfa". Had to read it up yesterday that it's
indeed "Alpha". Anyway, only Zulu, Alpha and Bravo concerned us, although
we had to learn the others too. But too long ago that I forgot. Was it
Zulu - Alpha - Bravo - Charlie - Dick - Erection - F**k - Genital ... ?
> I'm still not sure if it's Lima or lemur :)
May be "lamer"? ;-)
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Wed, 29 September 2021 13:12 |
Charles Richmond
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On 2/1/2021 10:26 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
[... quoted material omitted ...]
>
> "There's never time to do it right, but always time to do it over."
>
I had this posted to my cubicle wall, right next to the sign that said:
"Computer programmer: mistakkkes made while you wait...."
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #411378 is a reply to message #405953] |
Wed, 29 September 2021 13:27 |
Charles Richmond
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On 2/24/2021 12:51 PM, JimP wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 09:27:23 -0700, Peter Flass
> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Daniel <me@sci.fidan.com> wrote:
>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 20:21:57 +0000
>>>> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > This year is 50 years since I first cut my teeth on
>>>> > assembler programming on a 16kb PDP11-20, but I can
>>>> > today purchase microprocessors with an equal or better
>>>> > capability for only a few £££ or $$$.
>>>> >
>>>> > Are there any other technologies that have had comparable
>>>> > periods of accelerated development?
>>>>
>>>> Flight! The Wright brothers got Kittyhawk off the ground in 1903,
>>>> by 1953 we were seeing the first jet airliners (the 707 was only a year
>>>> later) and we were only four years short of the first satellite launch.
>>>
>>> My wife and I were talking about a similar thing the other day. How,
>>> when WWII started, aviation was already nearly forty years old, in terms
>>> of technological development.
>>>
>>
>> It moves slowly when you’re going thru it, but looking back you realize how
>> short a time it’s been. Hopefully fusion power by 2035.
>
> I remember 3 tv stations back in the 1950s. And one only came in
> fairly well at night. One local radio station. Two small supermarkets,
> a one screen movie theater. Next town over had 2 movie theaters. One
> was a smaller, fewer statues, etc., movie palace. All three of those
> movie theaters have been closed for years and 2 are falling apart. All
> of the drive-in movie theaters are gone.
>
> If I sent a letter home from my ship in the Mediterranean Sea, it
> could take a month. Now they have live conferencing and email.
>
> I remember my grandmother and I going outside when Sputnik went
> overhead. Now there are thousands of satellites. Cell phones were
> considered to be science fiction back then. Now billions of people
> have them.
>
There was (is) a stand-up comedian who does routines about the way
things used to be:
"When I was a teenager, we did *not* have caller id... you just
answered the phone and took your chances!!!"
"We did *not* have message machines or voice mail... if you were *not*
home and someone called... you just *missed* it!"
"In the past, we had *no* GPS or navigation units. If you were going on
a trip, you stopped at a gas station ("service station") and got a big,
confusing folded paper thing called a "road map"!
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #411379 is a reply to message #411378] |
Wed, 29 September 2021 13:34 |
scott
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Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> writes:
> On 2/24/2021 12:51 PM, JimP wrote:
>>
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> There was (is) a stand-up comedian who does routines about the way
> things used to be:
>
> "When I was a teenager, we did *not* have caller id... you just
> answered the phone and took your chances!!!"
Although if you go back far enough, the operator would have
rung your line and announced the caller.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #411384 is a reply to message #411379] |
Wed, 29 September 2021 14:32 |
D.J.
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:34:54 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
> Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> writes:
>> On 2/24/2021 12:51 PM, JimP wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> There was (is) a stand-up comedian who does routines about the way
>> things used to be:
>>
>> "When I was a teenager, we did *not* have caller id... you just
>> answered the phone and took your chances!!!"
>
> Although if you go back far enough, the operator would have
> rung your line and announced the caller.
One of my nephews, when he was 20 years old, asked me what kind of
cell phone I had when I was a kid ?
After my sister and I stopped laughing, around 5 minutes later, we
pointed out that such devices are new.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #411398 is a reply to message #411378] |
Thu, 30 September 2021 01:48 |
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Originally posted by: Michael Trew
On 9/29/2021 1:27 PM, Charles Richmond wrote:
>
> There was (is) a stand-up comedian who does routines about the way
> things used to be:
>
> "When I was a teenager, we did *not* have caller id... you just answered
> the phone and took your chances!!!"
>
> "We did *not* have message machines or voice mail... if you were *not*
> home and someone called... you just *missed* it!"
>
> "In the past, we had *no* GPS or navigation units. If you were going on
> a trip, you stopped at a gas station ("service station") and got a big,
> confusing folded paper thing called a "road map"!
I'm still stuck in the land line caller ID loop.. I prefer my POTS line,
but I won't pay AT&T $13/mo (before tax) for caller ID. I answer and
"take my chance".. lol! The digital answering machine is nice, however.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #411399 is a reply to message #411384] |
Thu, 30 September 2021 01:50 |
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Originally posted by: Michael Trew
On 9/29/2021 2:32 PM, D.J. wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:34:54 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
> wrote:
>> Charles Richmond<codescott@aquaporin4.com> writes:
>>> On 2/24/2021 12:51 PM, JimP wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> There was (is) a stand-up comedian who does routines about the way
>>> things used to be:
>>>
>>> "When I was a teenager, we did *not* have caller id... you just
>>> answered the phone and took your chances!!!"
>>
>> Although if you go back far enough, the operator would have
>> rung your line and announced the caller.
>
> One of my nephews, when he was 20 years old, asked me what kind of
> cell phone I had when I was a kid ?
>
> After my sister and I stopped laughing, around 5 minutes later, we
> pointed out that such devices are new.
Really? How old is he now? Some kids must have been sheltered.
I'm 26, and I recall when my parents first got cell phones, at least 18
years ago. I eventually got one as well, but growing up, I always used
the home phone (and still prefer my home phone).
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #411416 is a reply to message #411399] |
Thu, 30 September 2021 11:10 |
D.J.
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 01:50:04 -0400, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
> On 9/29/2021 2:32 PM, D.J. wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:34:54 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
>> wrote:
>>> Charles Richmond<codescott@aquaporin4.com> writes:
>>>> On 2/24/2021 12:51 PM, JimP wrote:
>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> There was (is) a stand-up comedian who does routines about the way
>>>> things used to be:
>>>>
>>>> "When I was a teenager, we did *not* have caller id... you just
>>>> answered the phone and took your chances!!!"
>>>
>>> Although if you go back far enough, the operator would have
>>> rung your line and announced the caller.
>>
>> One of my nephews, when he was 20 years old, asked me what kind of
>> cell phone I had when I was a kid ?
>>
>> After my sister and I stopped laughing, around 5 minutes later, we
>> pointed out that such devices are new.
>
> Really? How old is he now? Some kids must have been sheltered.
>
> I'm 26, and I recall when my parents first got cell phones, at least 18
> years ago. I eventually got one as well, but growing up, I always used
> the home phone (and still prefer my home phone).
Still in his early 20s.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #411419 is a reply to message #411378] |
Thu, 30 September 2021 12:51 |
Andreas Kohlbach
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 12:27:35 -0500, Charles Richmond wrote:
>
> There was (is) a stand-up comedian who does routines about the way
> things used to be:
>
> "When I was a teenager, we did *not* have caller id... you just
> answered the phone and took your chances!!!"
>
> "We did *not* have message machines or voice mail... if you were *not*
> home and someone called... you just *missed* it!"
>
> "In the past, we had *no* GPS or navigation units. If you were going
> on a trip, you stopped at a gas station ("service station") and got a
> big, confusing folded paper thing called a "road map"!
If you'd take away electronics today (may be by an EMP, solar flare) most
people today would be helpless. Cars after the mid 1980s wouldn't even
work, let alone GPS. Some older cars still on the roads today not
affected might have manual gear shift most (Americans) couldn't operate.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #411482 is a reply to message #411419] |
Fri, 01 October 2021 22:03 |
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Originally posted by: Michael Trew
On 9/30/2021 12:51 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 12:27:35 -0500, Charles Richmond wrote:
>>
>> There was (is) a stand-up comedian who does routines about the way
>> things used to be:
>>
>> "When I was a teenager, we did *not* have caller id... you just
>> answered the phone and took your chances!!!"
>>
>> "We did *not* have message machines or voice mail... if you were *not*
>> home and someone called... you just *missed* it!"
>>
>> "In the past, we had *no* GPS or navigation units. If you were going
>> on a trip, you stopped at a gas station ("service station") and got a
>> big, confusing folded paper thing called a "road map"!
>
> If you'd take away electronics today (may be by an EMP, solar flare) most
> people today would be helpless. Cars after the mid 1980s wouldn't even
> work, let alone GPS. Some older cars still on the roads today not
> affected might have manual gear shift most (Americans) couldn't operate.
I'm somewhat ready for the EMP. ;) I'm not so sure even early 80's
cars would work.. my '75 Dart has very primitive electronic ignition -
no points, so that might be out for the count also. I do have a '68
Ford Galaxie that would be set to go.
Many people today don't have or like standard shift cars. Yes, they are
about dead in the US, but many car folks prefer them. Several of my
younger siblings in their 20's own and drive standard shift cars. I've
burned through 30 some cars in the last several years (I buy/sell them),
and most are standard.. I dislike automatics.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #411511 is a reply to message #404161] |
Sat, 02 October 2021 15:56 |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 13:33:24 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> I only drove in automatic in my life. Friend let me ride his Hyundai SUV
> some years ago. ALL automatic (not just gear shifting), how boring!
I drove a full hybrid with CVT yesterday.
No clues from any gear shifts at all, and engine note (when present) no
clue as to speed!
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