By the bucketful? [message #406386] |
Sun, 14 March 2021 06:07 |
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Originally posted by: gareth evans
With the move to SMD and even great integration, I
wonder if there are bucketloads of wire-ended
resistors and transistors languishing somewhere?
We, as a group, could idly sit at home soldering
together enough NOR gates to make our own
PDP8 style computer.
And (Never start a sentence with a conjunction?), were
an LED to be used as part of the collector load of
every gate, then we'd have an optical work of art!
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406387 is a reply to message #406386] |
Sun, 14 March 2021 06:35 |
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Originally posted by: Thomas Koenig
gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> schrieb:
> With the move to SMD and even great integration, I
> wonder if there are bucketloads of wire-ended
> resistors and transistors languishing somewhere?
>
> We, as a group, could idly sit at home soldering
> together enough NOR gates to make our own
> PDP8 style computer.
That's been done for the 6502:
https://monster6502.com/
> And (Never start a sentence with a conjunction?), were
> an LED to be used as part of the collector load of
> every gate, then we'd have an optical work of art!
They did that, partially, it looks rather pretty.
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406390 is a reply to message #406387] |
Sun, 14 March 2021 11:20 |
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Originally posted by: gareth evans
On 14/03/2021 10:35, Thomas Koenig wrote:
> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> schrieb:
>> With the move to SMD and even great integration, I
>> wonder if there are bucketloads of wire-ended
>> resistors and transistors languishing somewhere?
>>
>> We, as a group, could idly sit at home soldering
>> together enough NOR gates to make our own
>> PDP8 style computer.
>
> That's been done for the 6502:
>
> https://monster6502.com/
>
>> And (Never start a sentence with a conjunction?), were
>> an LED to be used as part of the collector load of
>> every gate, then we'd have an optical work of art!
>
> They did that, partially, it looks rather pretty.
>
Wow! Fantastic!
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406397 is a reply to message #406386] |
Sun, 14 March 2021 19:04 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 10:07:51 +0000, gareth evans
<headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
> With the move to SMD and even great integration, I
> wonder if there are bucketloads of wire-ended
> resistors and transistors languishing somewhere?
>
> We, as a group, could idly sit at home soldering
> together enough NOR gates to make our own
> PDP8 style computer.
>
> And (Never start a sentence with a conjunction?), were
> an LED to be used as part of the collector load of
> every gate, then we'd have an optical work of art!
There are still ham radio operators rebuilding the old ham radios from
back in vaccum tube/valve days. Discreet components are used as well.
--
Jim
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406412 is a reply to message #406386] |
Mon, 15 March 2021 13:42 |
Peter Flass
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gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
> With the move to SMD and even great integration, I
> wonder if there are bucketloads of wire-ended
> resistors and transistors languishing somewhere?
>
> We, as a group, could idly sit at home soldering
> together enough NOR gates to make our own
> PDP8 style computer.
>
> And (Never start a sentence with a conjunction?), were
> an LED to be used as part of the collector load of
> every gate, then we'd have an optical work of art!
>
Or. Remember the old Honeywell ads featuring animals made out of electronic
components??
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Pete
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406415 is a reply to message #406386] |
Mon, 15 March 2021 15:04 |
usenet
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On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 10:07:51 +0000, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
> With the move to SMD and even great integration, I
> wonder if there are bucketloads of wire-ended
> resistors and transistors languishing somewhere?
Back in the 1960s I used to peruse surplus electronics catalogs. A lot of items
were discrete parts like potentiometers that could be easily removed from old
equipment. There were also "grab bags" of circuit boards, with the claim being
made that they contained dozens of possibly useful parts for the enterprising
amateur at just a couple of dollars. (At the time, transistors still cost
several dollars each.) The problem was that one had to be particularly skilled
at soldering in order to remove the part from the board without damaging it by
heat. And the leads of all these transistors, resistors, etc. had been cut very
short to be placed into the circuit board, making them very difficult to re-use
in any event.
There was also lots of unidentified military surplus electronic gear, often
large modular units with extra-thick metal chassis and cases. The problem with
these items is that many of them were designed to be run with voltage and/or
current levels not readily compatible with everyday consumer power. (For
example, requiring a power source of 400 volts.)
Automatic circuit board part placement and wave soldering machines have been
around for over thirty-five years, and bulk discrete parts have been long been
manufactured with those machines in mind. Even should you find some unused
parts, I'm not sure what you would do with say, a roll of hundreds of 10K-ohm
resistors. (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
code?)
> We, as a group, could idly sit at home soldering
> together enough NOR gates to make our own
> PDP8 style computer.
Some people want to re-live the past over and over, and some people have moved
on. While I dabbled with electronics as a youth, I'm not really a hardware
person and consequently don't care too much about what the silicon looks like.
And if I was a hardware person, I'd probably want to create something new,
rather than duplicate some fifty-year-old design.
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406417 is a reply to message #406397] |
Mon, 15 March 2021 16:41 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2021-03-14, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 10:07:51 +0000, gareth evans
> <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> With the move to SMD and even great integration,
>> I wonder if there are bucketloads of wire-ended
>> resistors and transistors languishing somewhere?
>>
>> We, as a group, could idly sit at home soldering
>> together enough NOR gates to make our own
>> PDP8 style computer.
>>
>> And (Never start a sentence with a conjunction?), were
>> an LED to be used as part of the collector load of
>> every gate, then we'd have an optical work of art!
>
> There are still ham radio operators rebuilding the old ham radios from
> back in vaccum tube/valve days. Discreet components are used as well.
Yes, indiscreet components were causing dirty signals.
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/~\ Charlie Gibbs | "Some of you may die,
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | but it's a sacrifice
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | I'm willing to make."
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Lord Farquaad (Shrek)
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406427 is a reply to message #406415] |
Mon, 15 March 2021 23:07 |
Joy Beeson
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On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
> (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
> code?)
Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
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Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406428 is a reply to message #406427] |
Mon, 15 March 2021 23:47 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2021-03-16, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
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>> (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
>> code?)
>
> Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
>
> I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
(That's probably rather indiscreet these days.)
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | "Some of you may die,
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | but it's a sacrifice
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | I'm willing to make."
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Lord Farquaad (Shrek)
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406429 is a reply to message #406427] |
Mon, 15 March 2021 23:56 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:07:38 -0400, Joy Beeson
<jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>
>> (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
>> code?)
>
> Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
>
> I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly, Get Some Now
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406433 is a reply to message #406415] |
Tue, 16 March 2021 03:50 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT
usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
> (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
> code?)
Bill Baley Rapes Our Young Girls But Violet Goes Willingly
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C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406441 is a reply to message #406428] |
Tue, 16 March 2021 12:12 |
Joe Pfeiffer
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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
> On 2021-03-16, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
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>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>
>>> (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
>>> code?)
>>
>> Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
>>
>> I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
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> Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
>
> (That's probably rather indiscreet these days.)
Now? I knew better than to tell my classes that one 20 years ago.
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406442 is a reply to message #406441] |
Tue, 16 March 2021 13:26 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2021-03-16, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
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>> On 2021-03-16, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
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>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>
>>>> (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
>>>> code?)
>>>
>>> Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
>>>
>>> I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
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>> Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
>>
>> (That's probably rather indiscreet these days.)
>
> Now? I knew better than to tell my classes that one 20 years ago.
How about 40 years ago?
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | "Some of you may die,
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | but it's a sacrifice
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | I'm willing to make."
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Lord Farquaad (Shrek)
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406443 is a reply to message #406442] |
Tue, 16 March 2021 13:38 |
scott
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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
> On 2021-03-16, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
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>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
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>>> On 2021-03-16, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
>>>> > code?)
>>>>
>>>> Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
>>>>
>>>> I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
>>>
>>> Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
>>>
>>> (That's probably rather indiscreet these days.)
>>
>> Now? I knew better than to tell my classes that one 20 years ago.
>
> How about 40 years ago?
It wasn't taught in the 70's that way in any electronics class
that I attended.
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406444 is a reply to message #406428] |
Tue, 16 March 2021 13:55 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On 16 Mar 2021 03:47:29 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:
> On 2021-03-16, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
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>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>
>>> (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
>>> code?)
>>
>> Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
>>
>> I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
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> Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
>
> (That's probably rather indiscreet these days.)
We were taught that in US Navy tech school around the late 1960s.
--
Jim
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406446 is a reply to message #406442] |
Tue, 16 March 2021 14:12 |
Joe Pfeiffer
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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
> On 2021-03-16, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
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>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
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>>> On 2021-03-16, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
>>>> > code?)
>>>>
>>>> Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
>>>>
>>>> I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
>>>
>>> Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
>>>
>>> (That's probably rather indiscreet these days.)
>>
>> Now? I knew better than to tell my classes that one 20 years ago.
>
> How about 40 years ago?
I wasn't teaching yet 40 years ago... I tended to understand avoiding
saying things that would get me in trouble pretty early, though.
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406447 is a reply to message #406444] |
Tue, 16 March 2021 14:44 |
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Originally posted by: poitras
JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2021 03:47:29 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
> wrote:
>> On 2021-03-16, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>
>>>> (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
>>>> code?)
>>>
>>> Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
>>>
>>> I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
>>
>> Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
>>
>> (That's probably rather indiscreet these days.)
> We were taught that in US Navy tech school around the late 1960s.
> --
> Jim
A somewhat cleaned up version in my 1972 electric shop class:
Bad Boys Raise Our Young Girls Behind Victorian Garden Walls
Didn't really make much sense, but it was easy to remember. :)
--
Don Poitras
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406448 is a reply to message #406441] |
Tue, 16 March 2021 15:22 |
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Originally posted by: gareth evans
On 16/03/2021 16:12, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>> On 2021-03-16, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>> (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
>>>> code?)
>>> Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
>>> I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
>> Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
>> (That's probably rather indiscreet these days.)
> Now? I knew better than to tell my classes that one 20 years ago.
40 years ago at The Westinghouse Brake And Signal Company, it was ...
"Black Bastards Rape Our Young Girls But Virgins Go Without"
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406449 is a reply to message #406429] |
Tue, 16 March 2021 15:28 |
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On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:56:43 -0400, J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:07:38 -0400, Joy Beeson
> <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
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>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>
>>> (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
>>> code?)
>>
>> Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
>>
>> I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
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> Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly, Get Some Now
Extra points for including the tolerance band.
In my youth I laboriously memorized the code by having to repeatedly look up
values. No one ever told me, and I never noticed until I was an adult, about
our old friend, Roy G. Biv, being in there. That would have made it a lot
easier to remember.
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406451 is a reply to message #406441] |
Tue, 16 March 2021 16:06 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 10:12:39 -0600
Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
> Now? I knew better than to tell my classes that one 20 years ago.
I certainly didn't hear it in a class I doubt it has ever been used
in a class.
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C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see
You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406452 is a reply to message #406427] |
Tue, 16 March 2021 17:10 |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:07:38 -0400, Joy Beeson wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>
>> (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
>> code?)
>
> Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
>
> I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
Of course! There's a UK quiz show called Only Connect, which is quite
hard. One round has four things in a sequence - can be pictures, music,
words, whatever. The team is shown the first item and gets 5 points if
they can predict the fourth. They get 3 points if they ask to see the
second item, and 1 point if they need the third (I think).
I have done it twice from the first item alone. Once was a picture of (I
think) Battersea Power Station, and I guessed (correctly) that the fourth
was a picture of a burning man.
The other was just "0=black". I immediately said "3=orange" and my wife
looked at me as if I'd gone mad. She was amazed when I turned out to be
right...
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Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406460 is a reply to message #406441] |
Wed, 17 March 2021 03:12 |
Bob Martin
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On 16 Mar 2021 at 16:12:39, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
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>> On 2021-03-16, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>
>>>> (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
>>>> code?)
>>>
>>> Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
>>>
>>> I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
>>
>> Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
>>
>> (That's probably rather indiscreet these days.)
>
> Now? I knew better than to tell my classes that one 20 years ago.
> .
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406461 is a reply to message #406441] |
Wed, 17 March 2021 03:14 |
Bob Martin
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On 16 Mar 2021 at 16:12:39, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
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>> On 2021-03-16, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>
>>>> (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
>>>> code?)
>>>
>>> Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
>>>
>>> I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
>>
>> Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
>>
>> (That's probably rather indiscreet these days.)
>
> Now? I knew better than to tell my classes that one 20 years ago.
RAF in 1950s was "Billy Brown read out your green book in verse"
where last 3 were blue, indigo, violet.
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406464 is a reply to message #406449] |
Wed, 17 March 2021 06:49 |
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Originally posted by: Kerr-Mudd,John
On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 19:28:41 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:56:43 -0400, J. Clarke
> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:07:38 -0400, Joy Beeson
>> <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>
>>>> (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
>>>> code?)
>>>
>>> Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
>>>
>>> I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
>>
>> Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly, Get Some Now
>
> Extra points for including the tolerance band.
>
> In my youth I laboriously memorized the code by having to repeatedly
> look up values. No one ever told me, and I never noticed until I was
> an adult, about our old friend, Roy G. Biv, being in there. That
> would have made it a lot easier to remember.
>
>
Rather Old Yeast Goes Black In Vinegar (my dad).
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406465 is a reply to message #406461] |
Wed, 17 March 2021 06:56 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On 17 Mar 2021 07:14:12 GMT, Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2021 at 16:12:39, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> On 2021-03-16, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
>>>> > code?)
>>>>
>>>> Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
>>>>
>>>> I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
>>>
>>> Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
>>>
>>> (That's probably rather indiscreet these days.)
>>
>> Now? I knew better than to tell my classes that one 20 years ago.
>
> RAF in 1950s was "Billy Brown read out your green book in verse"
> where last 3 were blue, indigo, violet.
But did it have anything for the precision bands? I liked the "Get
Some Now" addendum--"Gold, Silver, Nothing"
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406475 is a reply to message #406461] |
Wed, 17 March 2021 11:14 |
Joe Pfeiffer
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Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> writes:
> On 16 Mar 2021 at 16:12:39, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> On 2021-03-16, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
>>>> > code?)
>>>>
>>>> Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
>>>>
>>>> I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
>>>
>>> Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
>>>
>>> (That's probably rather indiscreet these days.)
>>
>> Now? I knew better than to tell my classes that one 20 years ago.
>
> RAF in 1950s was "Billy Brown read out your green book in verse"
> where last 3 were blue, indigo, violet.
But that's only nine colors, and indigo shouldn't be one of them. It's
like it switched from resistor color codes to the rainbow partway
through.
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406476 is a reply to message #406464] |
Wed, 17 March 2021 11:16 |
Joe Pfeiffer
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"Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> writes:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 19:28:41 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:56:43 -0400, J. Clarke
>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:07:38 -0400, Joy Beeson
>>> <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
>>>> > code?)
>>>>
>>>> Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
>>>>
>>>> I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
>>>
>>> Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly, Get Some Now
>>
>> Extra points for including the tolerance band.
>>
>> In my youth I laboriously memorized the code by having to repeatedly
>> look up values. No one ever told me, and I never noticed until I was
>> an adult, about our old friend, Roy G. Biv, being in there. That
>> would have made it a lot easier to remember.
>>
>>
> Rather Old Yeast Goes Black In Vinegar (my dad).
That's the rainbow, not resistor color codes.
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406478 is a reply to message #406475] |
Wed, 17 March 2021 12:02 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2021-03-17, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
> Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> writes:
>
>> On 16 Mar 2021 at 16:12:39, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-03-16, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
>>>> >> code?)
>>>> >
>>>> > Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
>>>> >
>>>> > I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
>>>>
>>>> Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
>>>>
>>>> (That's probably rather indiscreet these days.)
>>>
>>> Now? I knew better than to tell my classes that one 20 years ago.
>>
>> RAF in 1950s was "Billy Brown read out your green book in verse"
>> where last 3 were blue, indigo, violet.
>
> But that's only nine colors, and indigo shouldn't be one of them. It's
> like it switched from resistor color codes to the rainbow partway
> through.
Thread drift! It got infected by the Roy G. Biv virus.
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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | but it's a sacrifice
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406479 is a reply to message #406476] |
Wed, 17 March 2021 12:39 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 09:16:15 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer
<pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
> "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> writes:
>
>> On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 19:28:41 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:56:43 -0400, J. Clarke
>>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:07:38 -0400, Joy Beeson
>>>> <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
>>>> >> code?)
>>>> >
>>>> >Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
>>>> >
>>>> >I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
>>>>
>>>> Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly, Get Some Now
>>>
>>> Extra points for including the tolerance band.
>>>
>>> In my youth I laboriously memorized the code by having to repeatedly
>>> look up values. No one ever told me, and I never noticed until I was
>>> an adult, about our old friend, Roy G. Biv, being in there. That
>>> would have made it a lot easier to remember.
>>>
>>>
>> Rather Old Yeast Goes Black In Vinegar (my dad).
>
> That's the rainbow, not resistor color codes.
Just for the software people who have never seen a resistor:
B = Black = 0
B = Brown = 1
R = Red = 2
O = Orange = 3
Y = Yellow = 4
G = Green = 5
B = Blue = 6
V = Violet = 7
G = Gray = 8
W = White = 9
For a typical resistor with 3 or 4 bands the code works in two ways.
There are typically 3 bands on a resistor. The first two are digits
and the third is a power of 10. So a 2300 ohm resistor would be
Red-Orange-Red. If there is a fourth band it will be a tolerance
band--gold for 5% and silver for 10%. No fourth band implies 20%.
There are also 5-band resistors in which the first four bands are 3
digits and a power of ten and the fifth is the tolerance. Where there
is a fifth band the color code for tolerance somewhat chaotic.
Note that Indigo from the rainbow spectrum is not present and Black,
Brown, Gray, and White which do not appear in the rainbow spectrum
_are_ present.
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406480 is a reply to message #406479] |
Wed, 17 March 2021 13:35 |
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Originally posted by: Kerr-Mudd,John
On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 16:39:42 GMT, J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 09:16:15 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer
> <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>
>> "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> writes:
>>
>>> On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 19:28:41 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:56:43 -0400, J. Clarke
>>>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:07:38 -0400, Joy Beeson
>>>> ><jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister
color
>>>> >>> code?)
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray,
white.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
>>>> >
>>>> >Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly, Get Some
Now
>>>>
>>>> Extra points for including the tolerance band.
>>>>
>>>> In my youth I laboriously memorized the code by having to repeatedly
>>>> look up values. No one ever told me, and I never noticed until I
was
>>>> an adult, about our old friend, Roy G. Biv, being in there. That
>>>> would have made it a lot easier to remember.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Rather Old Yeast Goes Black In Vinegar (my dad).
>>
>> That's the rainbow, not resistor color codes.
>
> Just for the software people who have never seen a resistor:
>
> B = Black = 0
> B = Brown = 1
> R = Red = 2
> O = Orange = 3
> Y = Yellow = 4
> G = Green = 5
> B = Blue = 6
> V = Violet = 7
> G = Gray = 8
> W = White = 9
>
> For a typical resistor with 3 or 4 bands the code works in two ways.
> There are typically 3 bands on a resistor. The first two are digits
> and the third is a power of 10. So a 2300 ohm resistor would be
> Red-Orange-Red. If there is a fourth band it will be a tolerance
> band--gold for 5% and silver for 10%. No fourth band implies 20%.
>
> There are also 5-band resistors in which the first four bands are 3
> digits and a power of ten and the fifth is the tolerance. Where there
> is a fifth band the color code for tolerance somewhat chaotic.
>
> Note that Indigo from the rainbow spectrum is not present and Black,
> Brown, Gray, and White which do not appear in the rainbow spectrum
> _are_ present.
>
What colo[u]r is the underlying resistor?
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406481 is a reply to message #406478] |
Wed, 17 March 2021 13:35 |
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Originally posted by: Kerr-Mudd,John
On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 16:02:02 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:
> On 2021-03-17, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 16 Mar 2021 at 16:12:39, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>
wrote:
>>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > On 2021-03-16, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister
color
>>>> >>> code?)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray,
white.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
>>>> >
>>>> > Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
>>>> >
>>>> > (That's probably rather indiscreet these days.)
>>>>
>>>> Now? I knew better than to tell my classes that one 20 years ago.
>>>
>>> RAF in 1950s was "Billy Brown read out your green book in verse"
>>> where last 3 were blue, indigo, violet.
>>
>> But that's only nine colors, and indigo shouldn't be one of them.
It's
>> like it switched from resistor color codes to the rainbow partway
>> through.
>
> Thread drift! It got infected by the Roy G. Biv virus.
>
[Like]
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406486 is a reply to message #406476] |
Wed, 17 March 2021 15:58 |
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Originally posted by: gareth evans
On 17/03/2021 15:16, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> writes:
>
>> On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 19:28:41 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:56:43 -0400, J. Clarke
>>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:07:38 -0400, Joy Beeson
>>>> <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:04:26 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> (Without looking, how many of you still remember the resister color
>>>> >> code?)
>>>> >
>>>> > Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white.
>>>> >
>>>> > I use it to put discreet inventory marks on my clothing.
>>>>
>>>> Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly, Get Some Now
>>>
>>> Extra points for including the tolerance band.
>>>
>>> In my youth I laboriously memorized the code by having to repeatedly
>>> look up values. No one ever told me, and I never noticed until I was
>>> an adult, about our old friend, Roy G. Biv, being in there. That
>>> would have made it a lot easier to remember.
>>>
>>>
>> Rather Old Yeast Goes Black In Vinegar (my dad).
>
> That's the rainbow, not resistor color codes.
>
.... and traditionally ... Richard Of York Gave Battle In Vain
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406542 is a reply to message #406447] |
Sat, 20 March 2021 00:22 |
Joy Beeson
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On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 18:44:20 +0000 (UTC), poitras@pobox.com (Don
Poitras) wrote:
> A somewhat cleaned up version in my 1972 electric shop class:
>
> Bad Boys Raise Our Young Girls Behind Victorian Garden Walls
>
> Didn't really make much sense, but it was easy to remember. :)
Not nearly as easy to remember as the code itself:
0 black doesn't reflect light
1 brown doesn't reflect much
2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 the rainbow, with red (infra-red) at the bottom and
violet (ultra-violet) at the top. We learned the color wheel in
kindergarten.
White reflects the most light, so it has to be the biggest digit.
That leave gray for eight.
And you don't have to remember which B is black, which is brown, and
which is blue.
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Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406545 is a reply to message #406542] |
Sat, 20 March 2021 02:14 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2021-03-20, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 18:44:20 +0000 (UTC), poitras@pobox.com (Don
> Poitras) wrote:
>
>> A somewhat cleaned up version in my 1972 electric shop class:
>>
>> Bad Boys Raise Our Young Girls Behind Victorian Garden Walls
>>
>> Didn't really make much sense, but it was easy to remember. :)
>
> Not nearly as easy to remember as the code itself:
>
> 0 black doesn't reflect light
> 1 brown doesn't reflect much
> 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 the rainbow, with red (infra-red) at the bottom and
> violet (ultra-violet) at the top. We learned the color wheel in
> kindergarten.
>
> White reflects the most light, so it has to be the biggest digit.
>
> That leave gray for eight.
>
> And you don't have to remember which B is black, which is brown, and
> which is blue.
Not bad. In addition, however, you must remember to omit indigo.
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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | has stolen their car and parked
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | a taxi in their driveway.
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406547 is a reply to message #406545] |
Sat, 20 March 2021 02:56 |
Mike Spencer
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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
> Not bad. In addition, however, you must remember to omit indigo.
Which, in any case and AIUI, was inserted into the notional spectrum
in the 17th c. despite there being difficulty distinguishing it from
blue & violet because seven colors was more mystical, musical,
perfect, occult, godly or something than six.
And then there's the color of The Damned Thing according to Ambrose
Bierce -- I suppose when you know there should be a color band just
> there< but you can't see it. :-o
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Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406560 is a reply to message #406547] |
Sat, 20 March 2021 14:57 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2021-03-20, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>
>> Not bad. In addition, however, you must remember to omit indigo.
>
> Which, in any case and AIUI, was inserted into the notional spectrum
> in the 17th c. despite there being difficulty distinguishing it from
> blue & violet because seven colors was more mystical, musical,
> perfect, occult, godly or something than six.
>
> And then there's the color of The Damned Thing according to Ambrose
> Bierce -- I suppose when you know there should be a color band just
>> there< but you can't see it. :-o
And then there's octarine...
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/~\ Charlie Gibbs | They don't understand Microsoft
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | has stolen their car and parked
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | a taxi in their driveway.
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406570 is a reply to message #406560] |
Sun, 21 March 2021 03:00 |
Mike Spencer
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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
> On 2021-03-20, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>> And then there's the color of The Damned Thing according to Ambrose
>> Bierce -- I suppose when you know there should be a color band just
>>> there< but you can't see it. :-o
>
> And then there's octarine...
Indeed.
See my X-Clacks-Overhead: NNTP header, slightly updated for CoI. [1]
Anybody who knows about octarine can use it too.
No one in truly dead while his name is still spoken.
[1] Clacks over Internet
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Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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Re: By the bucketful? [message #406580 is a reply to message #406570] |
Sun, 21 March 2021 11:53 |
Joe Pfeiffer
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Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 2021-03-20, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>
>>> And then there's the color of The Damned Thing according to Ambrose
>>> Bierce -- I suppose when you know there should be a color band just
>>>> there< but you can't see it. :-o
>>
>> And then there's octarine...
>
> Indeed.
>
> See my X-Clacks-Overhead: NNTP header, slightly updated for CoI. [1]
> Anybody who knows about octarine can use it too.
>
> No one in truly dead while his name is still spoken.
>
> [1] Clacks over Internet
I know after you tell me this will have been obvious, but... what does
"4GH" reference?
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