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| Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) [message #400184 is a reply to message #399945] |
Fri, 18 September 2020 06:14   |
faux_dameron
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On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:09:16 +0100, gareth evans wrote:
> 4H = A chisel for doing metalwork.
I remember using a 4H pencil in drafting class in High School. I'm not so
old that CAD wasn't around. My school district just didn't have the money
for it.
Now that I think about it, I would love to have a drafting table, a
T-square, and a set of triangles again.
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JE
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| Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) [message #400185 is a reply to message #400184] |
Fri, 18 September 2020 06:29 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:14:49 -0000 (UTC), Jason Evans
<jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:09:16 +0100, gareth evans wrote:
>
>> 4H = A chisel for doing metalwork.
>
> I remember using a 4H pencil in drafting class in High School. I'm not so
> old that CAD wasn't around. My school district just didn't have the money
> for it.
>
> Now that I think about it, I would love to have a drafting table, a
> T-square, and a set of triangles again.
If you have the room, go for it. Everything you need can be had from
Dick Blick for under 150 bucks.
I remember a test for a coating on propeller blades involved verifying
that a pencil wouldn't scratch it. I don't remember though whether it
what H number the spec called for. I suspect the coating is still in
use--it was really good stuff--but I wonder if they've updated the
spec to account for Mexican-made pencils not adhering to the same
standard?
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| Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) [message #400196 is a reply to message #400185] |
Fri, 18 September 2020 12:53 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2020-09-18, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:14:49 -0000 (UTC), Jason Evans
> <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:09:16 +0100, gareth evans wrote:
>>
>>> 4H = A chisel for doing metalwork.
>>
>> I remember using a 4H pencil in drafting class in High School. I'm not so
>> old that CAD wasn't around. My school district just didn't have the money
>> for it.
>>
>> Now that I think about it, I would love to have a drafting table, a
>> T-square, and a set of triangles again.
>
> If you have the room, go for it. Everything you need can be had from
> Dick Blick for under 150 bucks.
>
>
> Don't. I am at an age when I have buried many friends and executed
> their estates. one of them I used to call on every week, and when it
> was coming to the end, 'friends' used call and remove stuff like that.
> He had a small anvil I used to love, but it was taken like that.
>
> Stuff like that was easly sold at Sunday Markets. I burned boxes of
> photographs that nobody rmembers, After my wife died, I stopped taking
> photos.
>
> I remember a test for a coating on propeller blades involved verifying
> that a pencil wouldn't scratch it. I don't remember though whether it
> what H number the spec called for. I suspect the coating is still in
> use--it was really good stuff--but I wonder if they've updated the
> spec to account for Mexican-made pencils not adhering to the same
> standard?
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| Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) [message #400216 is a reply to message #399945] |
Fri, 18 September 2020 16:50 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 15:26:14 -0500, Dave Garland
<dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> Seeing maus posts that are just quoted material, no maus content.
He is posting, but his newsreader is putting the '>' in front of his
text.
> On 9/18/2020 11:53 AM, maus wrote:
>> On 2020-09-18, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:14:49 -0000 (UTC), Jason Evans
>>> <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:09:16 +0100, gareth evans wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > 4H = A chisel for doing metalwork.
>>>>
>>>> I remember using a 4H pencil in drafting class in High School. I'm not so
>>>> old that CAD wasn't around. My school district just didn't have the money
>>>> for it.
>>>>
>>>> Now that I think about it, I would love to have a drafting table, a
>>>> T-square, and a set of triangles again.
>>>
>>> If you have the room, go for it. Everything you need can be had from
>>> Dick Blick for under 150 bucks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't. I am at an age when I have buried many friends and executed
>>> their estates. one of them I used to call on every week, and when it
>>> was coming to the end, 'friends' used call and remove stuff like that.
>>> He had a small anvil I used to love, but it was taken like that.
>>>
>>> Stuff like that was easly sold at Sunday Markets. I burned boxes of
>>> photographs that nobody rmembers, After my wife died, I stopped taking
>>> photos.
>>>
>>> I remember a test for a coating on propeller blades involved verifying
>>> that a pencil wouldn't scratch it. I don't remember though whether it
>>> what H number the spec called for. I suspect the coating is still in
>>> use--it was really good stuff--but I wonder if they've updated the
>>> spec to account for Mexican-made pencils not adhering to the same
>>> standard?
--
Jim
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| Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) [message #400226 is a reply to message #400184] |
Fri, 18 September 2020 23:59 |
Joy Beeson
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On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:14:49 -0000 (UTC), Jason Evans
<jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
> Now that I think about it, I would love to have a drafting table, a
> T-square, and a set of triangles again.
I still have mine at the back of the hall closet. I keep the largest
45-degree triangle in the laundry room in my bag of yardsticks and
rulers.
I should sort through the pocket of the drafting-board case and see
what other useful goodies I have.
For drawing curves, I nearly always use stuff I find in the kitchen:
plates, jar lids, pill bottles . . .
But I have been known to dig out the french curve.
(I never drafted; the drafting board was for cut-and-paste editing.)
--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
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| Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) [message #400227 is a reply to message #400226] |
Sat, 19 September 2020 00:27 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 23:59:59 -0400, Joy Beeson
<jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:14:49 -0000 (UTC), Jason Evans
> <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
>
>> Now that I think about it, I would love to have a drafting table, a
>> T-square, and a set of triangles again.
>
> I still have mine at the back of the hall closet. I keep the largest
> 45-degree triangle in the laundry room in my bag of yardsticks and
> rulers.
>
> I should sort through the pocket of the drafting-board case and see
> what other useful goodies I have.
>
> For drawing curves, I nearly always use stuff I find in the kitchen:
> plates, jar lids, pill bottles . . .
>
> But I have been known to dig out the french curve.
>
> (I never drafted; the drafting board was for cut-and-paste editing.)
FWIW, the hard thing to find these days is a decent compass set. Best
bet is to find a pre-CAD-era Dietzgen or K&E set off of ebay. The
ones being made now will draw a circle but the workmanship on them is
kind of pitiful.
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| Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) [message #400235 is a reply to message #400226] |
Sat, 19 September 2020 02:36 |
ted@loft.tnolan.com (
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In article <jc0bmf5sabl9a3nladv1ovdu2l0ui7ac77@4ax.com>,
Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:14:49 -0000 (UTC), Jason Evans
> <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
>
>> Now that I think about it, I would love to have a drafting table, a
>> T-square, and a set of triangles again.
>
> I still have mine at the back of the hall closet. I keep the largest
> 45-degree triangle in the laundry room in my bag of yardsticks and
> rulers.
>
> I should sort through the pocket of the drafting-board case and see
> what other useful goodies I have.
>
> For drawing curves, I nearly always use stuff I find in the kitchen:
> plates, jar lids, pill bottles . . .
>
> But I have been known to dig out the french curve.
>
> (I never drafted; the drafting board was for cut-and-paste editing.)
>
Drafting class is what made me stop considering Engineering and switch
to Computer Science: They both had programming and I liked that, but I
couldn't draw a bolt in perspective to save me.
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) [message #400239 is a reply to message #400196] |
Sat, 19 September 2020 07:47 |
Jorgen Grahn
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On Fri, 2020-09-18, maus wrote:
(Quoting fixed)
> I burned boxes of photographs that nobody rmembers, After my wife
> died, I stopped taking photos.
For what it's worth, I've enjoyed my grandparents' old photos a lot.
My cousins enjoy them too, because I scanned them and handed out CDs.
I can't imagine who would want /my/ photos, but you never know. The
abovementioned albums laid unused for forty years.
/Jorgen
--
// Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . .
\X/ snipabacken.se> O o .
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| Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) [message #400245 is a reply to message #400239] |
Sat, 19 September 2020 13:03 |
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Originally posted by: Carlos E.R.
On 19/09/2020 13.47, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> On Fri, 2020-09-18, maus wrote:
> (Quoting fixed)
>
>> I burned boxes of photographs that nobody rmembers, After my wife
>> died, I stopped taking photos.
>
> For what it's worth, I've enjoyed my grandparents' old photos a lot.
> My cousins enjoy them too, because I scanned them and handed out CDs.
>
> I can't imagine who would want /my/ photos, but you never know. The
> abovementioned albums laid unused for forty years.
I found photos of my father and his parents at a public historic site,
and correctly labelled, and other old relatives that I can not ask
anybody alive about. The site probably has photos from some city photo
shop collected. I was glad to find that photo.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
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| Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) [message #400246 is a reply to message #399945] |
Sat, 19 September 2020 14:04 |
Gerard Schildberger
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On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 5:09:28 AM UTC-5, gareth evans wrote:
> H Hard
>
> B Black
>
> 4H = A chisel for doing metalwork.
>
> 4B = A tar brush for painting the fence
>
> HB = A schizoid compromise :-)
I have a 9H. Truly, worthy of any cold-steel chisel.
_________________________________________ Gerard Schildberger
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| Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) [message #400247 is a reply to message #400245] |
Sat, 19 September 2020 14:10 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 19:03:53 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 19/09/2020 13.47, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>> On Fri, 2020-09-18, maus wrote:
>> (Quoting fixed)
>>
>>> I burned boxes of photographs that nobody rmembers, After my wife
>>> died, I stopped taking photos.
>>
>> For what it's worth, I've enjoyed my grandparents' old photos a lot.
>> My cousins enjoy them too, because I scanned them and handed out CDs.
>>
>> I can't imagine who would want /my/ photos, but you never know. The
>> abovementioned albums laid unused for forty years.
>
> I found photos of my father and his parents at a public historic site,
> and correctly labelled, and other old relatives that I can not ask
> anybody alive about. The site probably has photos from some city photo
> shop collected. I was glad to find that photo.
We found a photo in an old box from 1920 or so. We recognized three
people. My grandparents and the baby. My uncle. Nothing on the back
except 'our family'. I remember one woman from another later photo,
but not labelled either.
--
Jim
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| Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) [message #400252 is a reply to message #400247] |
Sat, 19 September 2020 15:01 |
Jorgen Grahn
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On Sat, 2020-09-19, JimP wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 19:03:53 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 19/09/2020 13.47, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2020-09-18, maus wrote:
>>> (Quoting fixed)
>>>
>>>> I burned boxes of photographs that nobody rmembers, After my wife
>>>> died, I stopped taking photos.
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, I've enjoyed my grandparents' old photos a lot.
>>> My cousins enjoy them too, because I scanned them and handed out CDs.
>>>
>>> I can't imagine who would want /my/ photos, but you never know. The
>>> abovementioned albums laid unused for forty years.
>>
>> I found photos of my father and his parents at a public historic site,
>> and correctly labelled, and other old relatives that I can not ask
>> anybody alive about. The site probably has photos from some city photo
>> shop collected. I was glad to find that photo.
>
> We found a photo in an old box from 1920 or so. We recognized three
> people. My grandparents and the baby. My uncle. Nothing on the back
> except 'our family'. I remember one woman from another later photo,
> but not labelled either.
Unlabeled photos can be so frustrating. I found one with a
middle-aged woman in the kind of clothes poor women wore in the
1920--1930s. She looked just like me, except for the clothes --
as if it was a photo of me, in drag.
I mailed a distant, older relative: he thought it could be my
granddad's older sister Frida ... but noone will ever know.
/Jorgen
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// Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . .
\X/ snipabacken.se> O o .
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| Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) [message #400256 is a reply to message #400247] |
Sat, 19 September 2020 15:34 |
Peter Flass
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JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 19:03:53 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 19/09/2020 13.47, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2020-09-18, maus wrote:
>>> (Quoting fixed)
>>>
>>>> I burned boxes of photographs that nobody rmembers, After my wife
>>>> died, I stopped taking photos.
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, I've enjoyed my grandparents' old photos a lot.
>>> My cousins enjoy them too, because I scanned them and handed out CDs.
>>>
>>> I can't imagine who would want /my/ photos, but you never know. The
>>> abovementioned albums laid unused for forty years.
>>
>> I found photos of my father and his parents at a public historic site,
>> and correctly labelled, and other old relatives that I can not ask
>> anybody alive about. The site probably has photos from some city photo
>> shop collected. I was glad to find that photo.
>
> We found a photo in an old box from 1920 or so. We recognized three
> people. My grandparents and the baby. My uncle. Nothing on the back
> except 'our family'. I remember one woman from another later photo,
> but not labelled either.
>
I guess these are lessons for us - label our photos.
--
Pete
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| Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) [message #400273 is a reply to message #400235] |
Sun, 20 September 2020 06:05 |
faux_dameron
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On 19 Sep 2020 06:36:08 GMT, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> Drafting class is what made me stop considering Engineering and switch
> to Computer Science: They both had programming and I liked that, but I
> couldn't draw a bolt in perspective to save me.
I really loved drafting and I seriously considered it as a future
profession and maybe if I had CAD I would have done it. On paper though,
I couldn't draw a curve to save my life and too many of my blueprints
looked like something from MC Escher. I could never do better than a C in
those classes no matter how hard I tried.
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JE
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| Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) [message #400289 is a reply to message #399945] |
Sun, 20 September 2020 14:02 |
Jorgen Grahn
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On Sun, 2020-09-20, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On 19 Sep 2020 19:01:57 GMT, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>>
>> Unlabeled photos can be so frustrating. I found one with a
>> middle-aged woman in the kind of clothes poor women wore in the
>> 1920--1930s. She looked just like me, except for the clothes --
>> as if it was a photo of me, in drag.
>>
>> I mailed a distant, older relative: he thought it could be my
>> granddad's older sister Frida ... but noone will ever know.
>
> Tried to have Google Images to have a "look at"? It might find similar
> images which have some information attached.
No; I don't want to feed them any personal data. But thanks for the tip!
/Jorgen
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// Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . .
\X/ snipabacken.se> O o .
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| Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) [message #400290 is a reply to message #400289] |
Sun, 20 September 2020 14:20 |
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Originally posted by: Carlos E.R.
On 20/09/2020 20.02, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> On Sun, 2020-09-20, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On 19 Sep 2020 19:01:57 GMT, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>>>
>>> Unlabeled photos can be so frustrating. I found one with a
>>> middle-aged woman in the kind of clothes poor women wore in the
>>> 1920--1930s. She looked just like me, except for the clothes --
>>> as if it was a photo of me, in drag.
>>>
>>> I mailed a distant, older relative: he thought it could be my
>>> granddad's older sister Frida ... but noone will ever know.
>>
>> Tried to have Google Images to have a "look at"? It might find similar
>> images which have some information attached.
>
> No; I don't want to feed them any personal data. But thanks for the tip!
Or https://yandex.com/
I have used it to feed photos from people taken from my TV set to find
out who they are. Works well.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
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