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MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396115] Wed, 24 June 2020 12:30 Go to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: Gareth Evans

Does the arrogance of MicroSnot know no bounds?

Not content with forcing me to have automatic
updates for Windows 10, last night's updates
brought up MicroSnot Edge but without an
option to kill it before entering it, and then
it was shortcutted both onto the desktop as
well as the task bar.

I look forward to the dastardly pile of
bovine excrement that is MicroSnot finally
crashing and burning!
Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396116 is a reply to message #396115] Wed, 24 June 2020 12:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
scott is currently offline  scott
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Gareth Evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> writes:
> Does the arrogance of MicroSnot know no bounds?
>
> Not content with forcing me to have automatic
> updates for Windows 10, last night's updates
> brought up MicroSnot Edge but without an
> option to kill it before entering it, and then
> it was shortcutted both onto the desktop as
> well as the task bar.
>
> I look forward to the dastardly pile of
> bovine excrement that is MicroSnot finally
> crashing and burning!


You made the choice to use microsoft software. There are alternatives.
Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396118 is a reply to message #396115] Wed, 24 June 2020 13:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: JimP

On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 17:30:52 +0100, Gareth Evans
<headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Does the arrogance of MicroSnot know no bounds?
>
> Not content with forcing me to have automatic
> updates for Windows 10, last night's updates
> brought up MicroSnot Edge but without an
> option to kill it before entering it, and then
> it was shortcutted both onto the desktop as
> well as the task bar.
>
> I look forward to the dastardly pile of
> bovine excrement that is MicroSnot finally
> crashing and burning!

Go to http://www.tenforums.com/

and search for a program called Windows update blocker. Follow the
instructions on that site. Windows will no longer, as long as you
start up this program after you log into your computer's account,
randomly update your computer.

--
Jim
Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396121 is a reply to message #396116] Wed, 24 June 2020 16:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Quadibloc is currently offline  Quadibloc
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On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:

> You made the choice to use microsoft software. There are alternatives.

There is Linux, and there is the Macintosh.

There isn't a heck of a lot of third-party software available for either one.

And if you buy a Macintosh, you won't be able to upgrade it except in limited
ways, unless you buy a system costing nearly five figures.

Those who can use Linux generally do so, but unfortunately, most people don't
have much of a choice.

John Savard
Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396123 is a reply to message #396121] Wed, 24 June 2020 18:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
>> You made the choice to use microsoft software. There are alternatives.

> Those who can use Linux generally do so, but unfortunately, most people don't
> have much of a choice.

Gareth claims to be a retired computer professional; that's not 'most people'.
Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396126 is a reply to message #396121] Wed, 24 June 2020 19:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 13:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
>> You made the choice to use microsoft software. There are alternatives.
>
> There is Linux, and there is the Macintosh.
>
> There isn't a heck of a lot of third-party software available for either one.

Searching the App Store gives me 928 hits for "drawing", 330 for CAD,
926 for "math", 182 hits for "engineering", and so on so it looks like
there's quite a lot available for the Mac, leaving aside that
underneath the GUI it's a Unix box.

As for Linux, _everything_ in Linux is "third party" and most of it
open source.

> And if you buy a Macintosh, you won't be able to upgrade it except in limited
> ways, unless you buy a system costing nearly five figures.

Why buy a Macintosh? Apple doesn't _want_ you to put their OS on your
PC but they don't _stop_ you.

> Those who can use Linux generally do so, but unfortunately, most people don't
> have much of a choice.
>
> John Savard
Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396127 is a reply to message #396121] Wed, 24 June 2020 20:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Douglas Miller

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 3:58:06 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
>> You made the choice to use microsoft software. There are alternatives.
>
> There is Linux, and there is the Macintosh.
>
> There isn't a heck of a lot of third-party software available for either one.
>
> ...
>
> John Savard

I will say that I was pleasantly surprised about 10 years ago when I immediately found top-notch scanner software for my new MAC mini. I had to buy it, sure, but it was great and they supported all my scanner devices (film, slide, flatbed). So, I'm not a believer that Windows is the only option. Of course, I don't use a lot of third-party software. But these days even Linux has got a lot.
Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396138 is a reply to message #396126] Thu, 25 June 2020 00:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 5:26:31 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:

> Searching the App Store gives me 928 hits for "drawing", 330 for CAD,
> 926 for "math", 182 hits for "engineering", and so on so it looks like
> there's quite a lot available for the Mac, leaving aside that
> underneath the GUI it's a Unix box.

True, there's a lot of BSD in there. I can't argue this point in detail, but
basically because of the small market share of the Macintosh, those software
makers who do address it... benefit from having less competition.

> Why buy a Macintosh? Apple doesn't _want_ you to put their OS on your
> PC but they don't _stop_ you.

Aside from the legal or ethical issue, the market share of the Macintosh is in
such a parlous state as to cause its effective value to reach a point where even
"if they gave them away", not counting the value of the hardware - which is what
that is - it's still questionable as to whether it's of interest.

John Savard
Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396140 is a reply to message #396115] Thu, 25 June 2020 02:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2020-06-25, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:

> On 6/24/2020 3:58 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>>> You made the choice to use microsoft software. There are alternatives.
>>
>> There is Linux, and there is the Macintosh.
>>
>> There isn't a heck of a lot of third-party software available for either one.
>
> I've found there's a ton of third-party software available for Linux
> (and Linux supports some hardware Win doesn't, such as my
> no-longer-MS-supported scanner; of course, the opposite is also true).
> Mint comes with two different software managers (plus you can always
> use the command-line options... before Win everybody used command
> line, even people who weren't nerds, I know because I supported them),
> and installing is usually as easy as clicking on an item and saying
> "get it". And the price for most *ux software is $0.00.
>
> Quality isn't always consistent, but the quality of Windows software
> isn't always consistent either. Even software from MS.

That's not so. M$ software quality is indeed consistent.
Consistently awful, that is. 1/2 :-)

--
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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396141 is a reply to message #396121] Thu, 25 June 2020 02:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jorgen Grahn is currently offline  Jorgen Grahn
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On Wed, 2020-06-24, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
>> You made the choice to use microsoft software. There are alternatives.
>
> There is Linux, and there is the Macintosh.
>
> There isn't a heck of a lot of third-party software available for either one.

There's not a lot of /non-free/ software for Linux (I think) but I can
choose between 57,000 different packages for my Debian system, and
that's only those that someone bothered to package.

> Those who can use Linux generally do so, but unfortunately, most people don't
> have much of a choice.

There's probably more people forced to use a smartphone today. If you
have a child in Sweden, you probably have to have one, since the
national authentication software "BankID" is smartphone-only[0], and
you need it to communicate with schools and whatnot.

/Jorgen

[0] Closed source crypto. There was a Linux version for a while, but
it was removed a long time ago. There's a Windows version, but it
appears to be deprecated too.

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Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396149 is a reply to message #396121] Thu, 25 June 2020 06:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 6:58:06 AM UTC+10, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
>> You made the choice to use microsoft software. There are alternatives.
>
> There is Linux, and there is the Macintosh.

MAC software is worse.

They repeatedly ask to update software; when I let it go,
it takes ages, as it downloads 100-200MB of program
(apparently the entire package), and then attempts to
install it.

In earlier times, I was given, as a present, itunes
to listen to any music I loaded onto it.

It did not have the package already installed?! Apple
expected you to download it -- all 100Mb of it.
At that time, I was on dial-up, and that process
would have taken several days at 14400 bps.

> There isn't a heck of a lot of third-party software available for either one.
>
> And if you buy a Macintosh, you won't be able to upgrade it except in limited
> ways, unless you buy a system costing nearly five figures.
>
> Those who can use Linux generally do so, but unfortunately, most people don't
> have much of a choice.
Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396151 is a reply to message #396121] Thu, 25 June 2020 07:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ahem A Rivet's Shot is currently offline  Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 13:58:05 -0700 (PDT)
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
>> You made the choice to use microsoft software. There are alternatives.
>
> There is Linux, and there is the Macintosh.

I've been happy enough these last few decades with FreeBSD - but
then all I want is a unix workstation and the one I have today beats the
pants off anything Sun ever made.

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Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396153 is a reply to message #396127] Thu, 25 June 2020 08:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Douglas Miller <durgadas311@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 3:58:06 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>>> You made the choice to use microsoft software. There are alternatives.
>>
>> There is Linux, and there is the Macintosh.
>>
>> There isn't a heck of a lot of third-party software available for either one.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> John Savard
>
> I will say that I was pleasantly surprised about 10 years ago when I
> immediately found top-notch scanner software for my new MAC mini. I had
> to buy it, sure, but it was great and they supported all my scanner
> devices (film, slide, flatbed). So, I'm not a believer that Windows is
> the only option. Of course, I don't use a lot of third-party software.
> But these days even Linux has got a lot.
>

I can certainly get everything I want for Linux. Some specialized programs
may nominally only run on windoze, but ai think there’s an installer for
Linux now that will let you install most of them.

--
Pete
Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396171 is a reply to message #396153] Thu, 25 June 2020 18:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 05:53:49 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Douglas Miller <durgadas311@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 3:58:06 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>
>>>> You made the choice to use microsoft software. There are alternatives.
>>>
>>> There is Linux, and there is the Macintosh.
>>>
>>> There isn't a heck of a lot of third-party software available for either one.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> John Savard
>>
>> I will say that I was pleasantly surprised about 10 years ago when I
>> immediately found top-notch scanner software for my new MAC mini. I had
>> to buy it, sure, but it was great and they supported all my scanner
>> devices (film, slide, flatbed). So, I'm not a believer that Windows is
>> the only option. Of course, I don't use a lot of third-party software.
>> But these days even Linux has got a lot.
>>
>
> I can certainly get everything I want for Linux. Some specialized programs
> may nominally only run on windoze, but ai think there’s an installer for
> Linux now that will let you install most of them.

Only if you run Windows in VM. The WINE fans will tell you, oh, no,
everything runs on WINE. This may be true for some level of "run" but
if you are paid to be doing work your boss is not going to be happy
when you report that you didn't get the job done because you were
screwing around trying to get the software to run properly on an
unsupported operating system.
Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396172 is a reply to message #396140] Thu, 25 June 2020 19:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On 25 Jun 2020 06:11:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:

> On 2020-06-25, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 6/24/2020 3:58 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>
>>>> You made the choice to use microsoft software. There are alternatives.
>>>
>>> There is Linux, and there is the Macintosh.
>>>
>>> There isn't a heck of a lot of third-party software available for either one.
>>
>> I've found there's a ton of third-party software available for Linux
>> (and Linux supports some hardware Win doesn't, such as my
>> no-longer-MS-supported scanner; of course, the opposite is also true).
>> Mint comes with two different software managers (plus you can always
>> use the command-line options... before Win everybody used command
>> line, even people who weren't nerds, I know because I supported them),
>> and installing is usually as easy as clicking on an item and saying
>> "get it". And the price for most *ux software is $0.00.
>>
>> Quality isn't always consistent, but the quality of Windows software
>> isn't always consistent either. Even software from MS.
>
> That's not so. M$ software quality is indeed consistent.
> Consistently awful, that is. 1/2 :-)

So what's an actually better and not just different office suite? And
don't say "Open Office" until you can demonstrate Open Office managing
60 APL workspaces each executing on a different core.
Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396174 is a reply to message #396172] Thu, 25 June 2020 19:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> On 25 Jun 2020 06:11:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2020-06-25, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/24/2020 3:58 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > You made the choice to use microsoft software. There are alternatives.
>>>>
>>>> There is Linux, and there is the Macintosh.
>>>>
>>>> There isn't a heck of a lot of third-party software available for either one.
>>>
>>> I've found there's a ton of third-party software available for Linux
>>> (and Linux supports some hardware Win doesn't, such as my
>>> no-longer-MS-supported scanner; of course, the opposite is also true).
>>> Mint comes with two different software managers (plus you can always
>>> use the command-line options... before Win everybody used command
>>> line, even people who weren't nerds, I know because I supported them),
>>> and installing is usually as easy as clicking on an item and saying
>>> "get it". And the price for most *ux software is $0.00.
>>>
>>> Quality isn't always consistent, but the quality of Windows software
>>> isn't always consistent either. Even software from MS.
>>
>> That's not so. M$ software quality is indeed consistent.
>> Consistently awful, that is. 1/2 :-)
>
> So what's an actually better and not just different office suite? And
> don't say "Open Office" until you can demonstrate Open Office managing
> 60 APL workspaces each executing on a different core.

Have you tried it?

I would guess the GNU APL package might come up short,
not the multiple cores part or the LibreOffice part.

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Dan Espen
Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396175 is a reply to message #396174] Thu, 25 June 2020 19:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 19:28:23 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 25 Jun 2020 06:11:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2020-06-25, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/24/2020 3:58 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> You made the choice to use microsoft software. There are alternatives.
>>>> >
>>>> > There is Linux, and there is the Macintosh.
>>>> >
>>>> > There isn't a heck of a lot of third-party software available for either one.
>>>>
>>>> I've found there's a ton of third-party software available for Linux
>>>> (and Linux supports some hardware Win doesn't, such as my
>>>> no-longer-MS-supported scanner; of course, the opposite is also true).
>>>> Mint comes with two different software managers (plus you can always
>>>> use the command-line options... before Win everybody used command
>>>> line, even people who weren't nerds, I know because I supported them),
>>>> and installing is usually as easy as clicking on an item and saying
>>>> "get it". And the price for most *ux software is $0.00.
>>>>
>>>> Quality isn't always consistent, but the quality of Windows software
>>>> isn't always consistent either. Even software from MS.
>>>
>>> That's not so. M$ software quality is indeed consistent.
>>> Consistently awful, that is. 1/2 :-)
>>
>> So what's an actually better and not just different office suite? And
>> don't say "Open Office" until you can demonstrate Open Office managing
>> 60 APL workspaces each executing on a different core.
>
> Have you tried it?

I have done it, demonstrated it, we use it as a process at work, and
the CEO of APL2000 seemed to be somewhat impressed. We normally only
run 8 cores as that gets things done in the timeframe we need, but we
have demonstrated 60 on the AWS cloud.

> I would guess the GNU APL package might come up short,
> not the multiple cores part or the LibreOffice part.

One of the things that makes it work is that APL2000 has a _very_
clean COM server. How would GNU APL interact with Open Office?
Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396176 is a reply to message #396175] Thu, 25 June 2020 20:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 19:28:23 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 25 Jun 2020 06:11:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2020-06-25, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On 6/24/2020 3:58 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> You made the choice to use microsoft software. There are
>>>> >>> alternatives.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> There is Linux, and there is the Macintosh.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> There isn't a heck of a lot of third-party software available for
>>>> >> either one.
>>>> >
>>>> > I've found there's a ton of third-party software available for
>>>> > Linux (and Linux supports some hardware Win doesn't, such as my
>>>> > no-longer-MS-supported scanner; of course, the opposite is also
>>>> > true). Mint comes with two different software managers (plus you
>>>> > can always use the command-line options... before Win everybody
>>>> > used command line, even people who weren't nerds, I know because I
>>>> > supported them), and installing is usually as easy as clicking on
>>>> > an item and saying "get it". And the price for most *ux software
>>>> > is $0.00.
>>>> >
>>>> > Quality isn't always consistent, but the quality of Windows
>>>> > software isn't always consistent either. Even software from MS.
>>>>
>>>> That's not so. M$ software quality is indeed consistent.
>>>> Consistently awful, that is. 1/2 :-)
>>>
>>> So what's an actually better and not just different office suite?
>>> And don't say "Open Office" until you can demonstrate Open Office
>>> managing 60 APL workspaces each executing on a different core.
>>
>> Have you tried it?
>
> I have done it, demonstrated it, we use it as a process at work, and
> the CEO of APL2000 seemed to be somewhat impressed. We normally only
> run 8 cores as that gets things done in the timeframe we need, but we
> have demonstrated 60 on the AWS cloud.
>
>> I would guess the GNU APL package might come up short, not the
>> multiple cores part or the LibreOffice part.
>
> One of the things that makes it work is that APL2000 has a _very_
> clean COM server. How would GNU APL interact with Open Office?

I've never done it but I believe LibreOffice can be scripted similar to
MS Office.

--
Dan Espen
Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396177 is a reply to message #396176] Thu, 25 June 2020 20:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 20:02:00 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 19:28:23 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 25 Jun 2020 06:11:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On 2020-06-25, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 6/24/2020 3:58 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> You made the choice to use microsoft software. There are
>>>> >>>> alternatives.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> There is Linux, and there is the Macintosh.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> There isn't a heck of a lot of third-party software available for
>>>> >>> either one.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I've found there's a ton of third-party software available for
>>>> >> Linux (and Linux supports some hardware Win doesn't, such as my
>>>> >> no-longer-MS-supported scanner; of course, the opposite is also
>>>> >> true). Mint comes with two different software managers (plus you
>>>> >> can always use the command-line options... before Win everybody
>>>> >> used command line, even people who weren't nerds, I know because I
>>>> >> supported them), and installing is usually as easy as clicking on
>>>> >> an item and saying "get it". And the price for most *ux software
>>>> >> is $0.00.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Quality isn't always consistent, but the quality of Windows
>>>> >> software isn't always consistent either. Even software from MS.
>>>> >
>>>> >That's not so. M$ software quality is indeed consistent.
>>>> >Consistently awful, that is. 1/2 :-)
>>>>
>>>> So what's an actually better and not just different office suite?
>>>> And don't say "Open Office" until you can demonstrate Open Office
>>>> managing 60 APL workspaces each executing on a different core.
>>>
>>> Have you tried it?
>>
>> I have done it, demonstrated it, we use it as a process at work, and
>> the CEO of APL2000 seemed to be somewhat impressed. We normally only
>> run 8 cores as that gets things done in the timeframe we need, but we
>> have demonstrated 60 on the AWS cloud.
>>
>>> I would guess the GNU APL package might come up short, not the
>>> multiple cores part or the LibreOffice part.
>>
>> One of the things that makes it work is that APL2000 has a _very_
>> clean COM server. How would GNU APL interact with Open Office?
>
> I've never done it but I believe LibreOffice can be scripted similar to
> MS Office.

That's not the problem. You have a GNU APL workspace. You need to
set some parameters in the workspace, start it running, detect when it
has finished, grab some data out of it, save it to a new location, and
if it crashes you have to recognize that it crashed and log the crash.

It isn't just scripting the office application, it is using the office
application to control another program provided by a different vendor.
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 20:02:00 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 19:28:23 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > On 25 Jun 2020 06:11:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>On 2020-06-25, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On 6/24/2020 3:58 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> You made the choice to use microsoft software. There are
>>>> >>>>> alternatives.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> There is Linux, and there is the Macintosh.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> There isn't a heck of a lot of third-party software available for
>>>> >>>> either one.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I've found there's a ton of third-party software available for
>>>> >>> Linux (and Linux supports some hardware Win doesn't, such as my
>>>> >>> no-longer-MS-supported scanner; of course, the opposite is also
>>>> >>> true). Mint comes with two different software managers (plus you
>>>> >>> can always use the command-line options... before Win everybody
>>>> >>> used command line, even people who weren't nerds, I know because I
>>>> >>> supported them), and installing is usually as easy as clicking on
>>>> >>> an item and saying "get it". And the price for most *ux software
>>>> >>> is $0.00.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Quality isn't always consistent, but the quality of Windows
>>>> >>> software isn't always consistent either. Even software from MS.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>That's not so. M$ software quality is indeed consistent.
>>>> >>Consistently awful, that is. 1/2 :-)
>>>> >
>>>> > So what's an actually better and not just different office suite?
>>>> > And don't say "Open Office" until you can demonstrate Open Office
>>>> > managing 60 APL workspaces each executing on a different core.
>>>>
>>>> Have you tried it?
>>>
>>> I have done it, demonstrated it, we use it as a process at work, and
>>> the CEO of APL2000 seemed to be somewhat impressed. We normally only
>>> run 8 cores as that gets things done in the timeframe we need, but we
>>> have demonstrated 60 on the AWS cloud.
>>>
>>>> I would guess the GNU APL package might come up short, not the
>>>> multiple cores part or the LibreOffice part.
>>>
>>> One of the things that makes it work is that APL2000 has a _very_
>>> clean COM server. How would GNU APL interact with Open Office?
>>
>> I've never done it but I believe LibreOffice can be scripted similar to
>> MS Office.
>
> That's not the problem. You have a GNU APL workspace. You need to
> set some parameters in the workspace, start it running, detect when it
> has finished, grab some data out of it, save it to a new location, and
> if it crashes you have to recognize that it crashed and log the crash.
>
> It isn't just scripting the office application, it is using the office
> application to control another program provided by a different vendor.

The one time I saw office being used, it was more of a slave, they
passed in documents and had office format them. They said at the time
it was Star Office compatible.

One more thing in the list of things I don't know, thanks.

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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 22:31:02 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 20:02:00 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 19:28:23 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 25 Jun 2020 06:11:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>On 2020-06-25, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On 6/24/2020 3:58 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> You made the choice to use microsoft software. There are
>>>> >>>>>> alternatives.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> There is Linux, and there is the Macintosh.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> There isn't a heck of a lot of third-party software available for
>>>> >>>>> either one.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I've found there's a ton of third-party software available for
>>>> >>>> Linux (and Linux supports some hardware Win doesn't, such as my
>>>> >>>> no-longer-MS-supported scanner; of course, the opposite is also
>>>> >>>> true). Mint comes with two different software managers (plus you
>>>> >>>> can always use the command-line options... before Win everybody
>>>> >>>> used command line, even people who weren't nerds, I know because I
>>>> >>>> supported them), and installing is usually as easy as clicking on
>>>> >>>> an item and saying "get it". And the price for most *ux software
>>>> >>>> is $0.00.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Quality isn't always consistent, but the quality of Windows
>>>> >>>> software isn't always consistent either. Even software from MS.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>That's not so. M$ software quality is indeed consistent.
>>>> >>>Consistently awful, that is. 1/2 :-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So what's an actually better and not just different office suite?
>>>> >> And don't say "Open Office" until you can demonstrate Open Office
>>>> >> managing 60 APL workspaces each executing on a different core.
>>>> >
>>>> >Have you tried it?
>>>>
>>>> I have done it, demonstrated it, we use it as a process at work, and
>>>> the CEO of APL2000 seemed to be somewhat impressed. We normally only
>>>> run 8 cores as that gets things done in the timeframe we need, but we
>>>> have demonstrated 60 on the AWS cloud.
>>>>
>>>> >I would guess the GNU APL package might come up short, not the
>>>> >multiple cores part or the LibreOffice part.
>>>>
>>>> One of the things that makes it work is that APL2000 has a _very_
>>>> clean COM server. How would GNU APL interact with Open Office?
>>>
>>> I've never done it but I believe LibreOffice can be scripted similar to
>>> MS Office.
>>
>> That's not the problem. You have a GNU APL workspace. You need to
>> set some parameters in the workspace, start it running, detect when it
>> has finished, grab some data out of it, save it to a new location, and
>> if it crashes you have to recognize that it crashed and log the crash.
>>
>> It isn't just scripting the office application, it is using the office
>> application to control another program provided by a different vendor.
>
> The one time I saw office being used, it was more of a slave, they
> passed in documents and had office format them. They said at the time
> it was Star Office compatible.
>
> One more thing in the list of things I don't know, thanks.

That's OpenOffice, not Microsoft Office. OpenOffice used to be a
proprietary product called StarOffice, and now it's got a fork called
"LibreOfffice" (Oracle and Open Source politics involved). In theory
OpenOffice supports the same scripting as Microsoft Office. In
practice I've found it frustrating whenever I've played with it.
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On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 6:53:50 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote:

> I can certainly get everything I want for Linux.

But maybe other people have different wants than you.

John Savard
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On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 5:00:03 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:

> So what's an actually better and not just different office suite? And
> don't say "Open Office" until you can demonstrate Open Office managing
> 60 APL workspaces each executing on a different core.

Microsoft Office can run APL?

John Savard
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 19:00:02 -0400
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

> So what's an actually better and not just different office suite? And
> don't say "Open Office" until you can demonstrate Open Office managing
> 60 APL workspaces each executing on a different core.

This is not a common use case for an office suite, arguably it is
not even a sane one. Most people use them to create documents, which is
what they were designed for. In that area the descendants of Star Office
work fine for folks who like that kind of thing.

As for better, that's at least partly opinion. I think sc is a
better spreadsheet than Excel because it doesn't try to be anything else
and gets the job done. I think troff and LaTeX are both better word
processors than Word or LibreOffice because I can knock out documents much
more quickly and reliably with them. Oh yes and neither have changed their
interface in all the decades I've been using them, documents written in the
1990s still render perfectly (older ones would too if I had any to hand).

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Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396192 is a reply to message #396189] Fri, 26 June 2020 03:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Thomas Koenig

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> schrieb:
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 19:00:02 -0400
> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So what's an actually better and not just different office suite? And
>> don't say "Open Office" until you can demonstrate Open Office managing
>> 60 APL workspaces each executing on a different core.
>
> This is not a common use case for an office suite, arguably it is
> not even a sane one. Most people use them to create documents, which is
> what they were designed for. In that area the descendants of Star Office
> work fine for folks who like that kind of thing.

As much as it pains me to say a good word about Microsoft, PowerPoint
is _much_ better than LibreOffice Impress.

> I think troff and LaTeX are both better word
> processors than Word or LibreOffice because I can knock out documents much
> more quickly and reliably with them. Oh yes and neither have changed their
> interface in all the decades I've been using them, documents written in the
> 1990s still render perfectly (older ones would too if I had any to hand).

Well, there was the \documentstyle to \documentclass changeover... flag
day.
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On 2020-06-25, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:
>
> There's probably more people forced to use a smartphone today. If you
> have a child in Sweden, you probably have to have one, since the
> national authentication software "BankID" is smartphone-only[0], and
> you need it to communicate with schools and whatnot.
>
> /Jorgen
>
> [0] Closed source crypto. There was a Linux version for a while, but
> it was removed a long time ago. There's a Windows version, but it
> appears to be deprecated too.

Deprecated? Possibly, but still working. I can still authenticate in
Windows with my smartcard reader. Well, I could, until the card recently
expired.

Niklas
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
> On 25 Jun 2020 06:11:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
> wrote:
>

> So what's an actually better and not just different office suite? And
> don't say "Open Office" until you can demonstrate Open Office managing
> 60 APL workspaces each executing on a different core.


Of course 99.9999999999999% of office users (MS or Open/Libre office)
don't need office to manage any APL workspaces. What a silly requirement.
Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396201 is a reply to message #396177] Fri, 26 June 2020 10:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 20:02:00 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>

>>
>> I've never done it but I believe LibreOffice can be scripted similar to
>> MS Office.
>
> That's not the problem. You have a GNU APL workspace. You need to
> set some parameters in the workspace, start it running, detect when it
> has finished, grab some data out of it, save it to a new location, and
> if it crashes you have to recognize that it crashed and log the crash.
>
> It isn't just scripting the office application, it is using the office
> application to control another program provided by a different vendor.
>
>

Isn't that what shell scripts are designed for? Use the right tool
for the job.
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Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> schrieb:
>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 19:00:02 -0400
>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So what's an actually better and not just different office suite? And
>>> don't say "Open Office" until you can demonstrate Open Office managing
>>> 60 APL workspaces each executing on a different core.
>>
>> This is not a common use case for an office suite, arguably it is
>> not even a sane one. Most people use them to create documents, which is
>> what they were designed for. In that area the descendants of Star Office
>> work fine for folks who like that kind of thing.
>
> As much as it pains me to say a good word about Microsoft, PowerPoint
> is _much_ better than LibreOffice Impress.

troff with the 'mv' macro package is sufficient.

..A This viewgraph is about
..B Point A
..C Point A.1
..C Point A.2
..B Point B
..B Point C

Eyecandy isn't necessary. Animation isn't necessary.
Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396205 is a reply to message #396202] Fri, 26 June 2020 12:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Thomas Koenig

Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> schrieb:
> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes:

>> As much as it pains me to say a good word about Microsoft, PowerPoint
>> is _much_ better than LibreOffice Impress.
>
> troff with the 'mv' macro package is sufficient.
>
> .A This viewgraph is about
> .B Point A

> Eyecandy isn't necessary. Animation isn't necessary.

If all you want to convey is text bullet points, sure.

When I make slides for work, there is usually a bit more: Things
like graphs, sketches, technical drawings, tables, flow sheets etc.
A bit more complex than bullet points.

I used LaTeX for my slides at university. LaTeX is almost
infinitely superior to Word for any serious text, my only gripe
is figure placement. But LaTeX for slides... no.
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On 2020-06-26, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes:
>
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> schrieb:
>>
>>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 19:00:02 -0400
>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So what's an actually better and not just different office suite? And
>>>> don't say "Open Office" until you can demonstrate Open Office managing
>>>> 60 APL workspaces each executing on a different core.
>>>
>>> This is not a common use case for an office suite, arguably it is
>>> not even a sane one. Most people use them to create documents, which is
>>> what they were designed for. In that area the descendants of Star Office
>>> work fine for folks who like that kind of thing.
>>
>> As much as it pains me to say a good word about Microsoft, PowerPoint
>> is _much_ better than LibreOffice Impress.
>
> troff with the 'mv' macro package is sufficient.
>
> .A This viewgraph is about
> .B Point A
> .C Point A.1
> .C Point A.2
> .B Point B
> .B Point C
>
> Eyecandy isn't necessary. Animation isn't necessary.

You know that. I know that. But J. Random Luser not only doesn't know
that, but doesn't _want_ to know that. And neither does his manager.

"Ohhhhh... shiny!"

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Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 6:53:50 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>> I can certainly get everything I want for Linux.
>
> But maybe other people have different wants than you.

I’m sure they might. As I said in the part you didn’t quote that there are
still a few proprietary products that are locked into windoze that people
might need to use. Of course one could always run windoze in a VM.

>
> John Savard
>



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Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 20:02:00 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>
>>>
>>> I've never done it but I believe LibreOffice can be scripted similar to
>>> MS Office.
>>
>> That's not the problem. You have a GNU APL workspace. You need to
>> set some parameters in the workspace, start it running, detect when it
>> has finished, grab some data out of it, save it to a new location, and
>> if it crashes you have to recognize that it crashed and log the crash.
>>
>> It isn't just scripting the office application, it is using the office
>> application to control another program provided by a different vendor.
>>
>>
>
> Isn't that what shell scripts are designed for? Use the right tool
> for the job.
>

It’s probably a piece of Topsy software, it “just growed.” I would imagine
somebody tried it as a one-shot and it went from there. I would also
imagine it would be a horror to rewrite it to do it right. It’s certainly
possible to do COM stuff from a program, or probably even a script.

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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2020-06-26, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>
>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes:
>>
>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> schrieb:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 19:00:02 -0400
>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > So what's an actually better and not just different office suite? And
>>>> > don't say "Open Office" until you can demonstrate Open Office managing
>>>> > 60 APL workspaces each executing on a different core.
>>>>
>>>> This is not a common use case for an office suite, arguably it is
>>>> not even a sane one. Most people use them to create documents, which is
>>>> what they were designed for. In that area the descendants of Star Office
>>>> work fine for folks who like that kind of thing.
>>>
>>> As much as it pains me to say a good word about Microsoft, PowerPoint
>>> is _much_ better than LibreOffice Impress.
>>
>> troff with the 'mv' macro package is sufficient.
>>
>> .A This viewgraph is about
>> .B Point A
>> .C Point A.1
>> .C Point A.2
>> .B Point B
>> .B Point C
>>
>> Eyecandy isn't necessary. Animation isn't necessary.
>
> You know that. I know that. But J. Random Luser not only doesn't know
> that, but doesn't _want_ to know that. And neither does his manager.
>
> "Ohhhhh... shiny!"
>

You have to keep them awake during your presentation. Pretty pictures and
jazzy background music don’t hurt.

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On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 10:00:06 -0700
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2020-06-26, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>
>>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes:
>>>
>>> troff with the 'mv' macro package is sufficient.
>>>
>>> .A This viewgraph is about
>>> .B Point A
>>> .C Point A.1
>>> .C Point A.2
>>> .B Point B
>>> .B Point C

Gets the job done most of the time.

>>> Eyecandy isn't necessary. Animation isn't necessary.

Diagrams sometimes help.

>> You know that. I know that. But J. Random Luser not only doesn't know
>> that, but doesn't _want_ to know that. And neither does his manager.
>>
>> "Ohhhhh... shiny!"

I usually walk the (in-house) wiki page for whatever it is I'm
presenting (often shortly after writing it), collapsing and expanding
sections as I go. It works pretty well for overview->deep dive
presentations, handles diagrams well enough and gives them a single
reference to take away that's way more useful than a slide deck that's
already getting stale.

> You have to keep them awake during your presentation. Pretty pictures and
> jazzy background music don’t hurt.

Keeping it as short as possible and to the point helps more, nobody
ever fell asleep in one of my presentations and I've never added eye candy
or music.

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Originally posted by: Thomas Koenig

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> schrieb:

> Keeping it as short as possible and to the point helps more, nobody
> ever fell asleep in one of my presentations and I've never added eye candy
> or music.

In the company I work in, it is quite normal to present results
in team meetings (or telcos) on PowerPoint, not as a formal
presentation, but as a way of putting down something in writing
and graphs that is reasonably fast to make and to easy understand.
Copy in parts of Excel tables or diagrams or screenshots from CFD
or ... as needed.

This is about as far from a formal presentation as can be while
still using slides.

Certainly no eye candy involved (except for the mandatory corporate
design, where people still use the 4:3 format because it fits
better to content than 16:9, especially if the corporate design
clips off a lot of space on the top and the bottom).
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 09:58:14 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 6:53:50 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote:
>>
>>> I can certainly get everything I want for Linux.
>>
>> But maybe other people have different wants than you.
>
> I’m sure they might. As I said in the part you didn’t quote that there are
> still a few proprietary products that are locked into windoze that people
> might need to use. Of course one could always run windoze in a VM.

Which will cause it to truly doze. Can a Windows application acccess
CUDA cores from a VM in Linux?
Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396219 is a reply to message #396188] Fri, 26 June 2020 17:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 23:12:23 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 5:00:03 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> So what's an actually better and not just different office suite? And
>> don't say "Open Office" until you can demonstrate Open Office managing
>> 60 APL workspaces each executing on a different core.
>
> Microsoft Office can run APL?

Yes, it can. You have to have the right APL interpreter though.
Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396459 is a reply to message #396195] Mon, 06 July 2020 00:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Fri, 2020-06-26, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
> On 2020-06-25, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:
>>
>> There's probably more people forced to use a smartphone today. If you
>> have a child in Sweden, you probably have to have one, since the
>> national authentication software "BankID" is smartphone-only[0], and
>> you need it to communicate with schools and whatnot.
>>
>> /Jorgen
>>
>> [0] Closed source crypto. There was a Linux version for a while, but
>> it was removed a long time ago. There's a Windows version, but it
>> appears to be deprecated too.
>
> Deprecated? Possibly, but still working. I can still authenticate in
> Windows with my smartcard reader. Well, I could, until the card recently
> expired.

I had the impression that the smartphone variant is accepted for more
uses than the variant that needs Windows (or Mac) -- but since I use
neither, I may be wrong. It's true, at least, that the vast majority
of users are on the smartphone variant.

/Jorgen

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Re: MicroSnot just sneezed all over my PC [message #396578 is a reply to message #396205] Fri, 10 July 2020 11:32 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Andreas Eder is currently offline  Andreas Eder
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On Fr 26 Jun 2020 at 16:06, Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:

> I used LaTeX for my slides at university. LaTeX is almost
> infinitely superior to Word for any serious text, my only gripe
> is figure placement. But LaTeX for slides... no.

Have you looked at beamer? Yjay is far superior to powerpoint in my
opinion. And far faster to write for me.

'Andreas
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