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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393594 is a reply to message #393593] Thu, 22 June 2017 13:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:
> Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first ‘Discovery’



<snip>

Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!


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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393697 is a reply to message #393594] Thu, 22 June 2017 14:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393698 is a reply to message #393697] Thu, 22 June 2017 15:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 6/22/2017 11:47 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> In article <594c049d$0$728$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>
>> Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:
>>> Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first ŒDiscovery¹
>>
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!
>
> Well, no, not really.
>
> I hate the ship design. Is that racist?
>
> I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong - again.
> Is that racist?
>
> I hate the creatives that I've heard of - is that racist?
>
> I hate CBS because THEY are racist.
>
> You don't even have to *know* the cast to hate this show. Is that
> racist?
>
If anyone who is in any way racist has heard of the show, then yes all
dislike of the show is racist. I thought you knew that by now.

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393699 is a reply to message #393698] Thu, 22 June 2017 15:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <oih684$jog$1@dont-email.me>,
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

> On 6/22/2017 11:47 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> In article <594c049d$0$728$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
>> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>
>>> Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:
>>>> Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first �iscovery¹
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!
>>
>> Well, no, not really.
>>
>> I hate the ship design. Is that racist?
>>
>> I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong - again.
>> Is that racist?
>>
>> I hate the creatives that I've heard of - is that racist?
>>
>> I hate CBS because THEY are racist.
>>
>> You don't even have to *know* the cast to hate this show. Is that
>> racist?
>>
> If anyone who is in any way racist has heard of the show, then yes all
> dislike of the show is racist. I thought you knew that by now.

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393700 is a reply to message #393698] Thu, 22 June 2017 16:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Rhino

On 2017-06-22 3:40 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 6/22/2017 11:47 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> In article <594c049d$0$728$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
>> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>
>>> Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:
>>>> Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first ŒDiscovery¹
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!
>>
>> Well, no, not really.
>>
>> I hate the ship design. Is that racist?
>>
>> I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong - again.
>> Is that racist?
>>
>> I hate the creatives that I've heard of - is that racist?
>>
>> I hate CBS because THEY are racist.
>>
>> You don't even have to *know* the cast to hate this show. Is that
>> racist?
>>
> If anyone who is in any way racist has heard of the show, then yes all
> dislike of the show is racist. I thought you knew that by now.
>
I'm curious to know if there is even one heterosexual white male in the
cast or does their vision of "diversity" exclude heterosexual white
males altogether because, you know, its 2017?

I wonder if they'll "throw us a bone" in the form of a single white guy
who has a really low-prestige job, just so that no one can complain that
we've been completely excluded?

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393701 is a reply to message #393700] Thu, 22 June 2017 17:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <oih9j4$upd$2@dont-email.me>,
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

> On 2017-06-22 3:40 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 6/22/2017 11:47 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> In article <594c049d$0$728$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
>>> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:
>>>> > Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first �iscovery¹
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!
>>>
>>> Well, no, not really.
>>>
>>> I hate the ship design. Is that racist?
>>>
>>> I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong - again.
>>> Is that racist?
>>>
>>> I hate the creatives that I've heard of - is that racist?
>>>
>>> I hate CBS because THEY are racist.
>>>
>>> You don't even have to *know* the cast to hate this show. Is that
>>> racist?
>>>
>> If anyone who is in any way racist has heard of the show, then yes all
>> dislike of the show is racist. I thought you knew that by now.
>>
> I'm curious to know if there is even one heterosexual white male in the
> cast or does their vision of "diversity" exclude heterosexual white
> males altogether because, you know, its 2017?

That's exactly what it means, except it excludes white females too in the case of Nancy Drew.

> I wonder if they'll "throw us a bone" in the form of a single white guy
> who has a really low-prestige job, just so that no one can complain that
> we've been completely excluded?

The IMDb cast list includes Jason Isaacs, who's British and Jewish
Doug Jones, who looks to be a white American, but I think he's playing
an alien
and the gay character played by Anthony Rapp
That's all that are listed as being in all 15 terrible episodes.

They have a white guy playing a Klingon - that outta make Michael Dorn's turtle head explode.

http://ncc-1031.com/the-crew-of-the-uss-discovery/

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393702 is a reply to message #393700] Thu, 22 June 2017 17:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 6/22/2017 1:37 PM, Rhino wrote:
> On 2017-06-22 3:40 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 6/22/2017 11:47 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> In article <594c049d$0$728$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
>>> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:
>>>> > Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first ŒDiscovery¹
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!
>>>
>>> Well, no, not really.
>>>
>>> I hate the ship design. Is that racist?
>>>
>>> I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong - again.
>>> Is that racist?
>>>
>>> I hate the creatives that I've heard of - is that racist?
>>>
>>> I hate CBS because THEY are racist.
>>>
>>> You don't even have to *know* the cast to hate this show. Is that
>>> racist?
>>>
>> If anyone who is in any way racist has heard of the show, then yes all
>> dislike of the show is racist. I thought you knew that by now.
>>
> I'm curious to know if there is even one heterosexual white male in the
> cast or does their vision of "diversity" exclude heterosexual white
> males altogether because, you know, its 2017?
>
> I wonder if they'll "throw us a bone" in the form of a single white guy
> who has a really low-prestige job, just so that no one can complain that
> we've been completely excluded?
>
Since the whole point of a diverse cast is to punish the hetero white
male and a show that is made up of characters who are all from one
non-Caucasian ethnic group is considered diverse, no there were never
any hetero white males in Star Fleet in the new timeline.

Especially not Kirk.

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393703 is a reply to message #393701] Thu, 22 June 2017 17:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 6/22/2017 5:18 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> In article <oih9j4$upd$2@dont-email.me>,
> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-06-22 3:40 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 6/22/2017 11:47 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> In article <594c049d$0$728$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
>>>> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:
>>>> >> Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first �iscovery¹
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > <snip>
>>>> >
>>>> > Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!
>>>>
>>>> Well, no, not really.
>>>>
>>>> I hate the ship design. Is that racist?
>>>>
>>>> I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong - again.
>>>> Is that racist?
>>>>
>>>> I hate the creatives that I've heard of - is that racist?
>>>>
>>>> I hate CBS because THEY are racist.
>>>>
>>>> You don't even have to *know* the cast to hate this show. Is that
>>>> racist?
>>>>
>>> If anyone who is in any way racist has heard of the show, then yes all
>>> dislike of the show is racist. I thought you knew that by now.
>>>
>> I'm curious to know if there is even one heterosexual white male in the
>> cast or does their vision of "diversity" exclude heterosexual white
>> males altogether because, you know, its 2017?
>
> That's exactly what it means, except it excludes white females too in the case of Nancy Drew.
>
>> I wonder if they'll "throw us a bone" in the form of a single white guy
>> who has a really low-prestige job, just so that no one can complain that
>> we've been completely excluded?
>
> The IMDb cast list includes Jason Isaacs, who's British and Jewish

https://ewedit.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/000259034hr.jpg?w =2000
I liked Jason Isaacs in AWAKE and THE OA.

> Doug Jones, who looks to be a white American, but I think he's playing
> an alien

I think he is the top photo on this page (based upon the photo further
down the page):
http://www.treknews.net/2017/05/18/star-trek-discovery-trail er-breakdown/

> and the gay character played by Anthony Rapp
>
> That's all that are listed as being in all 15 terrible episodes.

According to IMDB, that would be three of the six people that appear in
every episode.

> They have a white guy playing a Klingon - that outta make Michael Dorn's turtle head explode.

hee hee.

> http://ncc-1031.com/the-crew-of-the-uss-discovery/


>
Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393704 is a reply to message #393702] Thu, 22 June 2017 17:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 6/22/2017 5:20 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 6/22/2017 1:37 PM, Rhino wrote:
>> On 2017-06-22 3:40 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 6/22/2017 11:47 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> In article <594c049d$0$728$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
>>>> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:
>>>> >> Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first ŒDiscovery¹
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > <snip>
>>>> >
>>>> > Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!
>>>>
>>>> Well, no, not really.
>>>>
>>>> I hate the ship design. Is that racist?
>>>>
>>>> I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong -
>>>> again.
>>>> Is that racist?
>>>>
>>>> I hate the creatives that I've heard of - is that racist?
>>>>
>>>> I hate CBS because THEY are racist.
>>>>
>>>> You don't even have to *know* the cast to hate this show. Is that
>>>> racist?
>>>>
>>> If anyone who is in any way racist has heard of the show, then yes
>>> all dislike of the show is racist. I thought you knew that by now.
>>>
>> I'm curious to know if there is even one heterosexual white male in
>> the cast or does their vision of "diversity" exclude heterosexual
>> white males altogether because, you know, its 2017?
>>
>> I wonder if they'll "throw us a bone" in the form of a single white
>> guy who has a really low-prestige job, just so that no one can
>> complain that we've been completely excluded?
>>
> Since the whole point of a diverse cast is to punish the hetero white
> male and a show that is made up of characters who are all from one
> non-Caucasian ethnic group is considered diverse, no there were never
> any hetero white males in Star Fleet in the new timeline.
>
> Especially not Kirk.

Has he even joined Star Fleet yet at the time of this new series?

....and did you see who is playing Harry Mudd?
Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393705 is a reply to message #393704] Thu, 22 June 2017 18:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <oihdjh$ci8$1@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obveeus@aol.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On 6/22/2017 5:20 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 6/22/2017 1:37 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>> On 2017-06-22 3:40 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> On 6/22/2017 11:47 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> > In article <594c049d$0$728$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
>>>> > Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:
>>>> >>> Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first �iscovery¹
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> <snip>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!
>>>> >
>>>> > Well, no, not really.
>>>> >
>>>> > I hate the ship design. Is that racist?
>>>> >
>>>> > I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong -
>>>> > again.
>>>> > Is that racist?
>>>> >
>>>> > I hate the creatives that I've heard of - is that racist?
>>>> >
>>>> > I hate CBS because THEY are racist.
>>>> >
>>>> > You don't even have to *know* the cast to hate this show. Is that
>>>> > racist?
>>>> >
>>>> If anyone who is in any way racist has heard of the show, then yes
>>>> all dislike of the show is racist. I thought you knew that by now.
>>>>
>>> I'm curious to know if there is even one heterosexual white male in
>>> the cast or does their vision of "diversity" exclude heterosexual
>>> white males altogether because, you know, its 2017?
>>>
>>> I wonder if they'll "throw us a bone" in the form of a single white
>>> guy who has a really low-prestige job, just so that no one can
>>> complain that we've been completely excluded?
>>>
>> Since the whole point of a diverse cast is to punish the hetero white
>> male and a show that is made up of characters who are all from one
>> non-Caucasian ethnic group is considered diverse, no there were never
>> any hetero white males in Star Fleet in the new timeline.
>>
>> Especially not Kirk.
>
> Has he even joined Star Fleet yet at the time of this new series?

Probably.

They keep saying this takes place 10 years before Kirk. Assuming they
mean '10 years before Kirk took over the Enterprise' or '10 years before
the first episode of TOS' then, yes, he was in Starfleet - OBSESSION's flashbacks take place 11 years before season 2,

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393706 is a reply to message #393698] Thu, 22 June 2017 19:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <oih684$jog$1@dont-email.me>, dtravel@sonic.net wrote:
> On 6/22/2017 11:47 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>> Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:

>>>> Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first ŒDiscovery¹
>>>
>>> Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!
>>
>> Well, no, not really.
>>
>> I hate the ship design. Is that racist?
>>
>> I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong - again.
>> Is that racist?
>>
>> I hate the creatives that I've heard of - is that racist?
>>
>> I hate CBS because THEY are racist.
>>
>> You don't even have to *know* the cast to hate this show. Is that
>> racist?
>
> If anyone who is in any way racist has heard of the show, then yes all
> dislike of the show is racist. I thought you knew that by now.

Wow, it's turning out to be a repeat of the Ghostbusters fiasco.

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393810 is a reply to message #393703] Thu, 22 June 2017 19:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <oihdcu$c0b$1@dont-email.me>, Obveeus@aol.com wrote:
> On 6/22/2017 5:18 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>> On 2017-06-22 3:40 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> On 6/22/2017 11:47 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> > Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>>> >> Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:
>>>> >>> Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first �iscovery¹
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!
>>>> >
>>>> > Well, no, not really.
>>>> >
>>>> > I hate the ship design. Is that racist?
>>>> >
>>>> > I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong - again.
>>>> > Is that racist?
>>>> >
>>>> > I hate the creatives that I've heard of - is that racist?
>>>> >
>>>> > I hate CBS because THEY are racist.
>>>> >
>>>> > You don't even have to *know* the cast to hate this show. Is that
>>>> > racist?
>>>> >
>>>> If anyone who is in any way racist has heard of the show, then yes all
>>>> dislike of the show is racist. I thought you knew that by now.
>>>>
>>> I'm curious to know if there is even one heterosexual white male in the
>>> cast or does their vision of "diversity" exclude heterosexual white
>>> males altogether because, you know, its 2017?
>>
>> That's exactly what it means, except it excludes white females too in the case of Nancy Drew.
>>
>>> I wonder if they'll "throw us a bone" in the form of a single white guy
>>> who has a really low-prestige job, just so that no one can complain that
>>> we've been completely excluded?
>>
>> The IMDb cast list includes Jason Isaacs, who's British and Jewish
>
> https://ewedit.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/000259034hr.jpg?w =2000
> I liked Jason Isaacs in AWAKE and THE OA.
>
>> Doug Jones, who looks to be a white American, but I think he's playing
>> an alien
>
> I think he is the top photo on this page (based upon the photo further
> down the page):
> http://www.treknews.net/2017/05/18/star-trek-discovery-trail er-breakdown/

Oh, shit, it's the Travel Agent!

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393811 is a reply to message #393706] Thu, 22 June 2017 20:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 6/22/2017 4:18 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> In article <oih684$jog$1@dont-email.me>, dtravel@sonic.net wrote:
>> On 6/22/2017 11:47 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>>> Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:
>
>>>> > Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first ŒDiscovery¹
>>>>
>>>> Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!
>>>
>>> Well, no, not really.
>>>
>>> I hate the ship design. Is that racist?
>>>
>>> I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong - again.
>>> Is that racist?
>>>
>>> I hate the creatives that I've heard of - is that racist?
>>>
>>> I hate CBS because THEY are racist.
>>>
>>> You don't even have to *know* the cast to hate this show. Is that
>>> racist?
>>
>> If anyone who is in any way racist has heard of the show, then yes all
>> dislike of the show is racist. I thought you knew that by now.
>
> Wow, it's turning out to be a repeat of the Ghostbusters fiasco.
>
I blame Melissa McCarthy for that. Racism (or in that case sexism) had
nothing to do with it. It was just an unfunny person who should never
have been lead in anything despoiling another movie we have fond
memories of.

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393812 is a reply to message #393704] Thu, 22 June 2017 20:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 6/22/2017 2:45 PM, Obveeus wrote:
>
>
> On 6/22/2017 5:20 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 6/22/2017 1:37 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>> On 2017-06-22 3:40 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> On 6/22/2017 11:47 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> > In article <594c049d$0$728$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
>>>> > Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:
>>>> >>> Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first ŒDiscovery¹
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> <snip>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!
>>>> >
>>>> > Well, no, not really.
>>>> >
>>>> > I hate the ship design. Is that racist?
>>>> >
>>>> > I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong -
>>>> > again.
>>>> > Is that racist?
>>>> >
>>>> > I hate the creatives that I've heard of - is that racist?
>>>> >
>>>> > I hate CBS because THEY are racist.
>>>> >
>>>> > You don't even have to *know* the cast to hate this show. Is that
>>>> > racist?
>>>> >
>>>> If anyone who is in any way racist has heard of the show, then yes
>>>> all dislike of the show is racist. I thought you knew that by now.
>>>>
>>> I'm curious to know if there is even one heterosexual white male in
>>> the cast or does their vision of "diversity" exclude heterosexual
>>> white males altogether because, you know, its 2017?
>>>
>>> I wonder if they'll "throw us a bone" in the form of a single white
>>> guy who has a really low-prestige job, just so that no one can
>>> complain that we've been completely excluded?
>>>
>> Since the whole point of a diverse cast is to punish the hetero white
>> male and a show that is made up of characters who are all from one
>> non-Caucasian ethnic group is considered diverse, no there were never
>> any hetero white males in Star Fleet in the new timeline.
>>
>> Especially not Kirk.
>
> Has he even joined Star Fleet yet at the time of this new series?
>
> ...and did you see who is playing Harry Mudd?

No idea. All I really know about the casting is the lead is someone I
haven't heard of before and Michelle Yeoh apparently got shanghaied into
this, I assume because of a desperate need to keep her American SAG
medical insurance or some such. Since I wouldn't be able to afford the
subscription fee and wouldn't be able to stream it if I did pay for it,
I have no need to pay attention except for the fun of mocking it. :)

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393813 is a reply to message #393812] Thu, 22 June 2017 22:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <oihmt3$7tb$1@dont-email.me>,
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

> On 6/22/2017 2:45 PM, Obveeus wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 6/22/2017 5:20 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 6/22/2017 1:37 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>> On 2017-06-22 3:40 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> > On 6/22/2017 11:47 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> >> In article <594c049d$0$728$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
>>>> >> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:
>>>> >>>> Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first �iscovery¹
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> <snip>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Well, no, not really.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I hate the ship design. Is that racist?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong -
>>>> >> again.
>>>> >> Is that racist?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I hate the creatives that I've heard of - is that racist?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I hate CBS because THEY are racist.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> You don't even have to *know* the cast to hate this show. Is that
>>>> >> racist?
>>>> >>
>>>> > If anyone who is in any way racist has heard of the show, then yes
>>>> > all dislike of the show is racist. I thought you knew that by now.
>>>> >
>>>> I'm curious to know if there is even one heterosexual white male in
>>>> the cast or does their vision of "diversity" exclude heterosexual
>>>> white males altogether because, you know, its 2017?
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if they'll "throw us a bone" in the form of a single white
>>>> guy who has a really low-prestige job, just so that no one can
>>>> complain that we've been completely excluded?
>>>>
>>> Since the whole point of a diverse cast is to punish the hetero white
>>> male and a show that is made up of characters who are all from one
>>> non-Caucasian ethnic group is considered diverse, no there were never
>>> any hetero white males in Star Fleet in the new timeline.
>>>
>>> Especially not Kirk.
>>
>> Has he even joined Star Fleet yet at the time of this new series?
>>
>> ...and did you see who is playing Harry Mudd?
>
> No idea. All I really know about the casting is the lead is someone I
> haven't heard of before and Michelle Yeoh apparently got shanghaied into
> this, I assume because of a desperate need to keep her American SAG
> medical insurance or some such. Since I wouldn't be able to afford the
> subscription fee and wouldn't be able to stream it if I did pay for it,
> I have no need to pay attention except for the fun of mocking it. :)

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393814 is a reply to message #393813] Fri, 23 June 2017 00:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 6/22/2017 7:00 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> In article <oihmt3$7tb$1@dont-email.me>,
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> On 6/22/2017 2:45 PM, Obveeus wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/22/2017 5:20 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> On 6/22/2017 1:37 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>> > On 2017-06-22 3:40 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> >> On 6/22/2017 11:47 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> >>> In article <594c049d$0$728$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
>>>> >>> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:
>>>> >>>>> Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first �iscovery¹
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> <snip>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Well, no, not really.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I hate the ship design. Is that racist?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong -
>>>> >>> again.
>>>> >>> Is that racist?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I hate the creatives that I've heard of - is that racist?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I hate CBS because THEY are racist.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> You don't even have to *know* the cast to hate this show. Is that
>>>> >>> racist?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> If anyone who is in any way racist has heard of the show, then yes
>>>> >> all dislike of the show is racist. I thought you knew that by now.
>>>> >>
>>>> > I'm curious to know if there is even one heterosexual white male in
>>>> > the cast or does their vision of "diversity" exclude heterosexual
>>>> > white males altogether because, you know, its 2017?
>>>> >
>>>> > I wonder if they'll "throw us a bone" in the form of a single white
>>>> > guy who has a really low-prestige job, just so that no one can
>>>> > complain that we've been completely excluded?
>>>> >
>>>> Since the whole point of a diverse cast is to punish the hetero white
>>>> male and a show that is made up of characters who are all from one
>>>> non-Caucasian ethnic group is considered diverse, no there were never
>>>> any hetero white males in Star Fleet in the new timeline.
>>>>
>>>> Especially not Kirk.
>>>
>>> Has he even joined Star Fleet yet at the time of this new series?
>>>
>>> ...and did you see who is playing Harry Mudd?
>>
>> No idea. All I really know about the casting is the lead is someone I
>> haven't heard of before and Michelle Yeoh apparently got shanghaied into
>> this, I assume because of a desperate need to keep her American SAG
>> medical insurance or some such. Since I wouldn't be able to afford the
>> subscription fee and wouldn't be able to stream it if I did pay for it,
>> I have no need to pay attention except for the fun of mocking it. :)
>
> If you get CBASS you can see the first ep free. Lucky for me, I don't.
>
Why would I watch a first episode of a show I know I won't be able to
watch subsequent episodes of?

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393815 is a reply to message #393814] Fri, 23 June 2017 01:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <oii4bg$4pd$1@dont-email.me>,
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

> On 6/22/2017 7:00 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> In article <oihmt3$7tb$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/22/2017 2:45 PM, Obveeus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/22/2017 5:20 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> > On 6/22/2017 1:37 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>> >> On 2017-06-22 3:40 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> >>> On 6/22/2017 11:47 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> >>>> In article <594c049d$0$728$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
>>>> >>>> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:
>>>> >>>>>> Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first
>>>> >>>>>> •�1�2iscovery惹�
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> <snip>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Well, no, not really.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I hate the ship design. Is that racist?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong -
>>>> >>>> again.
>>>> >>>> Is that racist?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I hate the creatives that I've heard of - is that racist?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I hate CBS because THEY are racist.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> You don't even have to *know* the cast to hate this show. Is that
>>>> >>>> racist?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>> If anyone who is in any way racist has heard of the show, then yes
>>>> >>> all dislike of the show is racist. I thought you knew that by now.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> I'm curious to know if there is even one heterosexual white male in
>>>> >> the cast or does their vision of "diversity" exclude heterosexual
>>>> >> white males altogether because, you know, its 2017?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I wonder if they'll "throw us a bone" in the form of a single white
>>>> >> guy who has a really low-prestige job, just so that no one can
>>>> >> complain that we've been completely excluded?
>>>> >>
>>>> > Since the whole point of a diverse cast is to punish the hetero white
>>>> > male and a show that is made up of characters who are all from one
>>>> > non-Caucasian ethnic group is considered diverse, no there were never
>>>> > any hetero white males in Star Fleet in the new timeline.
>>>> >
>>>> > Especially not Kirk.
>>>>
>>>> Has he even joined Star Fleet yet at the time of this new series?
>>>>
>>>> ...and did you see who is playing Harry Mudd?
>>>
>>> No idea. All I really know about the casting is the lead is someone I
>>> haven't heard of before and Michelle Yeoh apparently got shanghaied into
>>> this, I assume because of a desperate need to keep her American SAG
>>> medical insurance or some such. Since I wouldn't be able to afford the
>>> subscription fee and wouldn't be able to stream it if I did pay for it,
>>> I have no need to pay attention except for the fun of mocking it. :)
>>
>> If you get CBASS you can see the first ep free. Lucky for me, I don't.
>>
> Why would I watch a first episode of a show I know I won't be able to
> watch subsequent episodes of?

I wonder that as well, but their entire business plan revolves around
that assumption.

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393816 is a reply to message #393705] Thu, 22 June 2017 19:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
> Obveeus <Obveeus@aol.com> wrote:
>> On 6/22/2017 5:20 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 6/22/2017 1:37 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>> On 2017-06-22 3:40 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> > On 6/22/2017 11:47 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> >> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>>> >>> Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:

>>>> >>>> Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first �iscovery¹
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Well, no, not really.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I hate the ship design. Is that racist?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong -
>>>> >> again.
>>>> >> Is that racist?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I hate the creatives that I've heard of - is that racist?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I hate CBS because THEY are racist.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> You don't even have to *know* the cast to hate this show. Is that
>>>> >> racist?
>>>> >>
>>>> > If anyone who is in any way racist has heard of the show, then yes
>>>> > all dislike of the show is racist. I thought you knew that by now.
>>>> >
>>>> I'm curious to know if there is even one heterosexual white male in
>>>> the cast or does their vision of "diversity" exclude heterosexual
>>>> white males altogether because, you know, its 2017?
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if they'll "throw us a bone" in the form of a single white
>>>> guy who has a really low-prestige job, just so that no one can
>>>> complain that we've been completely excluded?
>>>>
>>> Since the whole point of a diverse cast is to punish the hetero white
>>> male and a show that is made up of characters who are all from one
>>> non-Caucasian ethnic group is considered diverse, no there were never
>>> any hetero white males in Star Fleet in the new timeline.
>>>
>>> Especially not Kirk.
>>
>> Has he even joined Star Fleet yet at the time of this new series?
>
> Probably.
>
> They keep saying this takes place 10 years before Kirk. Assuming they
> mean '10 years before Kirk took over the Enterprise' or '10 years before
> the first episode of TOS' then, yes, he was in Starfleet - OBSESSION's
> flashbacks take place 11 years before season 2,

According to Wikipedia, "Star Trek: Discovery" begins in 2254 and 2264 was
when Kirk took command of the Enterprise.

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393817 is a reply to message #393812] Fri, 23 June 2017 07:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 6/22/2017 8:24 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 6/22/2017 2:45 PM, Obveeus wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 6/22/2017 5:20 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 6/22/2017 1:37 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>> On 2017-06-22 3:40 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> > On 6/22/2017 11:47 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> >> In article <594c049d$0$728$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
>>>> >> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:
>>>> >>>> Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first ŒDiscovery¹
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> <snip>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Well, no, not really.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I hate the ship design. Is that racist?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong -
>>>> >> again.
>>>> >> Is that racist?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I hate the creatives that I've heard of - is that racist?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I hate CBS because THEY are racist.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> You don't even have to *know* the cast to hate this show. Is that
>>>> >> racist?
>>>> >>
>>>> > If anyone who is in any way racist has heard of the show, then yes
>>>> > all dislike of the show is racist. I thought you knew that by now.
>>>> >
>>>> I'm curious to know if there is even one heterosexual white male in
>>>> the cast or does their vision of "diversity" exclude heterosexual
>>>> white males altogether because, you know, its 2017?
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if they'll "throw us a bone" in the form of a single white
>>>> guy who has a really low-prestige job, just so that no one can
>>>> complain that we've been completely excluded?
>>>>
>>> Since the whole point of a diverse cast is to punish the hetero white
>>> male and a show that is made up of characters who are all from one
>>> non-Caucasian ethnic group is considered diverse, no there were never
>>> any hetero white males in Star Fleet in the new timeline.
>>>
>>> Especially not Kirk.
>>
>> Has he even joined Star Fleet yet at the time of this new series?
>>
>> ...and did you see who is playing Harry Mudd?
>
> No idea.

Rainn Wilson.

> All I really know about the casting is the lead is someone I
> haven't heard of before and Michelle Yeoh apparently got shanghaied into
> this, I assume because of a desperate need to keep her American SAG
> medical insurance or some such. Since I wouldn't be able to afford the
> subscription fee and wouldn't be able to stream it if I did pay for it,
> I have no need to pay attention except for the fun of mocking it. :)

That at least explains why you think that all the minority characters of
this 'diverse cast' came from one ethnic group.
Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393818 is a reply to message #393815] Fri, 23 June 2017 07:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On 6/22/2017 7:00 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> On 6/22/2017 2:45 PM, Obveeus wrote:

>>>> > ...and did you see who is playing Harry Mudd?
>>>>
>>>> No idea. All I really know about the casting is the lead is someone I
>>>> haven't heard of before and Michelle Yeoh apparently got shanghaied into
>>>> this, I assume because of a desperate need to keep her American SAG
>>>> medical insurance or some such. Since I wouldn't be able to afford the
>>>> subscription fee and wouldn't be able to stream it if I did pay for it,
>>>> I have no need to pay attention except for the fun of mocking it. :)
>>>
>>> If you get CBASS you can see the first ep free. Lucky for me, I don't.
>>>
>> Why would I watch a first episode of a show I know I won't be able to
>> watch subsequent episodes of?
>
> I wonder that as well, but their entire business plan revolves around
> that assumption.

I presume it's b/c you'll like it so much that you'll subscribe.

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393819 is a reply to message #393814] Fri, 23 June 2017 07:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 6/23/2017 12:14 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 6/22/2017 7:00 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:

>> If you get CBASS you can see the first ep free. Lucky for me, I don't.
>>
> Why would I watch a first episode of a show I know I won't be able to
> watch subsequent episodes of?
I do that all the time with the AmazonPrime pilots and I used to do it
with the Hulu shows when they offered the first episode free. I've also
done it with shows that air on STARZ, HBO, Showtime, etc...

The idea is to see what is out there. At some point, maybe it will be
something worth paying for a new service to see...or something to look
out for when it eventually makes its way to other services.
Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393922 is a reply to message #393816] Fri, 23 June 2017 07:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <oiitcv$6po$5@dont-email.me>,
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

> anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
>> Obveeus <Obveeus@aol.com> wrote:
>>> On 6/22/2017 5:20 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> On 6/22/2017 1:37 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>> > On 2017-06-22 3:40 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> >> On 6/22/2017 11:47 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> >>> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>>> >>>> Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:
>
>>>> >>>>> Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first �iscovery¹
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Well, no, not really.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I hate the ship design. Is that racist?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong -
>>>> >>> again.
>>>> >>> Is that racist?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I hate the creatives that I've heard of - is that racist?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I hate CBS because THEY are racist.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> You don't even have to *know* the cast to hate this show. Is that
>>>> >>> racist?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> If anyone who is in any way racist has heard of the show, then yes
>>>> >> all dislike of the show is racist. I thought you knew that by now.
>>>> >>
>>>> > I'm curious to know if there is even one heterosexual white male in
>>>> > the cast or does their vision of "diversity" exclude heterosexual
>>>> > white males altogether because, you know, its 2017?
>>>> >
>>>> > I wonder if they'll "throw us a bone" in the form of a single white
>>>> > guy who has a really low-prestige job, just so that no one can
>>>> > complain that we've been completely excluded?
>>>> >
>>>> Since the whole point of a diverse cast is to punish the hetero white
>>>> male and a show that is made up of characters who are all from one
>>>> non-Caucasian ethnic group is considered diverse, no there were never
>>>> any hetero white males in Star Fleet in the new timeline.
>>>>
>>>> Especially not Kirk.
>>>
>>> Has he even joined Star Fleet yet at the time of this new series?
>>
>> Probably.
>>
>> They keep saying this takes place 10 years before Kirk. Assuming they
>> mean '10 years before Kirk took over the Enterprise' or '10 years before
>> the first episode of TOS' then, yes, he was in Starfleet - OBSESSION's
>> flashbacks take place 11 years before season 2,
>
> According to Wikipedia, "Star Trek: Discovery" begins in 2254 and 2264 was
> when Kirk took command of the Enterprise.

Stupid retcon TNG dating.

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393923 is a reply to message #393817] Fri, 23 June 2017 11:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 6/23/2017 4:23 AM, Obveeus wrote:
>
>
> On 6/22/2017 8:24 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 6/22/2017 2:45 PM, Obveeus wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/22/2017 5:20 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> On 6/22/2017 1:37 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>> > On 2017-06-22 3:40 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> >> On 6/22/2017 11:47 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> >>> In article <594c049d$0$728$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
>>>> >>> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:
>>>> >>>>> Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first ŒDiscovery¹
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> <snip>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Well, no, not really.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I hate the ship design. Is that racist?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong -
>>>> >>> again.
>>>> >>> Is that racist?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I hate the creatives that I've heard of - is that racist?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I hate CBS because THEY are racist.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> You don't even have to *know* the cast to hate this show. Is that
>>>> >>> racist?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> If anyone who is in any way racist has heard of the show, then yes
>>>> >> all dislike of the show is racist. I thought you knew that by now.
>>>> >>
>>>> > I'm curious to know if there is even one heterosexual white male in
>>>> > the cast or does their vision of "diversity" exclude heterosexual
>>>> > white males altogether because, you know, its 2017?
>>>> >
>>>> > I wonder if they'll "throw us a bone" in the form of a single white
>>>> > guy who has a really low-prestige job, just so that no one can
>>>> > complain that we've been completely excluded?
>>>> >
>>>> Since the whole point of a diverse cast is to punish the hetero
>>>> white male and a show that is made up of characters who are all from
>>>> one non-Caucasian ethnic group is considered diverse, no there were
>>>> never any hetero white males in Star Fleet in the new timeline.
>>>>
>>>> Especially not Kirk.
>>>
>>> Has he even joined Star Fleet yet at the time of this new series?
>>>
>>> ...and did you see who is playing Harry Mudd?
>>
>> No idea.
>
> Rainn Wilson.
>
Doesn't seem like a good fit for the Harry Mudd we knew.

>> All I really know about the casting is the lead is someone I haven't
>> heard of before and Michelle Yeoh apparently got shanghaied into this,
>> I assume because of a desperate need to keep her American SAG medical
>> insurance or some such. Since I wouldn't be able to afford the
>> subscription fee and wouldn't be able to stream it if I did pay for
>> it, I have no need to pay attention except for the fun of mocking it. :)
>
> That at least explains why you think that all the minority characters of
> this 'diverse cast' came from one ethnic group.
>
I make no assumption about that for this show. That comment was based
on other shows touted as being "diverse" for doing that.

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393924 is a reply to message #393818] Fri, 23 June 2017 11:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 6/23/2017 4:23 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> On 6/22/2017 7:00 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> > On 6/22/2017 2:45 PM, Obveeus wrote:
>
>>>> >> ...and did you see who is playing Harry Mudd?
>>>> >
>>>> > No idea. All I really know about the casting is the lead is someone I
>>>> > haven't heard of before and Michelle Yeoh apparently got shanghaied into
>>>> > this, I assume because of a desperate need to keep her American SAG
>>>> > medical insurance or some such. Since I wouldn't be able to afford the
>>>> > subscription fee and wouldn't be able to stream it if I did pay for it,
>>>> > I have no need to pay attention except for the fun of mocking it. :)
>>>>
>>>> If you get CBASS you can see the first ep free. Lucky for me, I don't.
>>>>
>>> Why would I watch a first episode of a show I know I won't be able to
>>> watch subsequent episodes of?
>>
>> I wonder that as well, but their entire business plan revolves around
>> that assumption.
>
> I presume it's b/c you'll like it so much that you'll subscribe.
>
Why would I subscribe to a service that I wouldn't be able to use? I'm
guessing that a significant percentage of people who have new hardware
and the latest software won't be able to stream it since that appears to
be the case with every other streaming service. (Hell, YOUTUBE
sometimes throttles their feed to me!) And I don't have anything close
to "current" H/W or S/W. I can't afford the new hardware and the new
software won't run on what I do have.

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Op 23-6-2017 om 13:31 schreef anim8rfsk:
> In article <oiitcv$6po$5@dont-email.me>,
> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:



<snip>

>>>
>>> They keep saying this takes place 10 years before Kirk. Assuming they
>>> mean '10 years before Kirk took over the Enterprise' or '10 years before
>>> the first episode of TOS' then, yes, he was in Starfleet - OBSESSION's
>>> flashbacks take place 11 years before season 2,
>>
>> According to Wikipedia, "Star Trek: Discovery" begins in 2254 and 2264 was
>> when Kirk took command of the Enterprise.
>
> Stupid retcon TNG dating.
>

Yes, that was an error. But sadly now the case for most of the Prime
Timeline.

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In article <594d583f$0$711$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:

> Op 23-6-2017 om 13:31 schreef anim8rfsk:
>> In article <oiitcv$6po$5@dont-email.me>,
>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> <snip>
>
>>>>
>>>> They keep saying this takes place 10 years before Kirk. Assuming they
>>>> mean '10 years before Kirk took over the Enterprise' or '10 years before
>>>> the first episode of TOS' then, yes, he was in Starfleet - OBSESSION's
>>>> flashbacks take place 11 years before season 2,
>>>
>>> According to Wikipedia, "Star Trek: Discovery" begins in 2254 and 2264 was
>>> when Kirk took command of the Enterprise.
>>
>> Stupid retcon TNG dating.
>>
>
> Yes, that was an error. But sadly now the case for most of the Prime
> Timeline.

:(

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Op 22-6-2017 om 20:47 schreef anim8rfsk:
> In article <594c049d$0$728$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>
>> Op 22-6-2017 om 14:35 schreef Ubiquitous:
>>> Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls as the first ŒDiscovery¹
>>
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Good article. Sonequa and George nailed it!
>
> Well, no, not really.
>
> I hate the ship design. Is that racist?

They did not refer to criticism concerning the ship.
And no ship after the original one was as pretty. EVER! The first is
still the best. No argument there.

>
> I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong - again.
> Is that racist?

They did not refer to criticism concerning the timeline.
And yeah, everyone with even half a braincell knows it's another reboot
/ timeline. That is very obvious. They should come clean about that.


>
> I hate the creatives that I've heard of - is that racist?

Nope. But that's not the issue either.
Do I have a lot of confidence? Nope.
But I will say this about Star Trek Discovery: I will give it a fair
chance, like I gave JJ /one/ chance. And thus far I only have the DVD of
his 2009 film. I did not bother getting the sequels in my collection.
I will give Discovery a chance, and if I don't like it I won't bother
watching more. I made that mistake with Star Trek Voyager and that one
still hurts!

>
> I hate CBS because THEY are racist.

I would go with obnoxious.

>
> You don't even have to *know* the cast to hate this show. Is that
> racist?
>

The criticism they actually DID refer to was the diversity of the cast.
Some people have problems with that diversity. And *THAT* was the issue.


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Ubiquitous sent the following on 06/23/2017 at 06:23 AM:
> anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> On 6/22/2017 7:00 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> > On 6/22/2017 2:45 PM, Obveeus wrote:
>
>>>> >> ...and did you see who is playing Harry Mudd?
>>>> >
>>>> > No idea. All I really know about the casting is the lead is someone I
>>>> > haven't heard of before and Michelle Yeoh apparently got shanghaied into
>>>> > this, I assume because of a desperate need to keep her American SAG
>>>> > medical insurance or some such. Since I wouldn't be able to afford the
>>>> > subscription fee and wouldn't be able to stream it if I did pay for it,
>>>> > I have no need to pay attention except for the fun of mocking it. :)
>>>>
>>>> If you get CBASS you can see the first ep free. Lucky for me, I don't.
>>>>
>>> Why would I watch a first episode of a show I know I won't be able to
>>> watch subsequent episodes of?
>>
>> I wonder that as well, but their entire business plan revolves around
>> that assumption.
>
> I presume it's b/c you'll like it so much that you'll subscribe.

Did you type that with a straight face? I mean, I'm hoping that the
final product is tons better than that first trailer, but...

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On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:37:22 -0400, Rhino wrote:

> I'm curious to know if there is even one heterosexual white male in the
> cast or does their vision of "diversity" exclude heterosexual white
> males altogether because, you know, its 2017?

You can bet there will be white male villains.

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Op 23-6-2017 om 20:21 schreef anim8rfsk:
> In article <594d583f$0$711$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>
>> Op 23-6-2017 om 13:31 schreef anim8rfsk:
>>> In article <oiitcv$6po$5@dont-email.me>,
>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> >
>>>> > They keep saying this takes place 10 years before Kirk. Assuming they
>>>> > mean '10 years before Kirk took over the Enterprise' or '10 years before
>>>> > the first episode of TOS' then, yes, he was in Starfleet - OBSESSION's
>>>> > flashbacks take place 11 years before season 2,
>>>>
>>>> According to Wikipedia, "Star Trek: Discovery" begins in 2254 and 2264 was
>>>> when Kirk took command of the Enterprise.
>>>
>>> Stupid retcon TNG dating.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, that was an error. But sadly now the case for most of the Prime
>> Timeline.
>
> :(
>


Funny thing is, in 'Encounter at Farpoint', Data says he graduated from
Starfleet in '78.... Which would place that in I think 2278. 2378 would
be really silly in the light of 2364 mentioned by Geordi in a later episode.

If 2278 is true, for that episode, than I think that their first inkling
was to set TNG around 2300.

I have somewhere in my collection (I don't remember the exact title) a
guide to the history of ships named 'Enterprise', with a timeline that
shifts the now 'official' timeline some 60 years into the past. Which
better suits what was going on in TOS.

And if I'm not mistaken the text on the cover of the TMP novel states
that it is set at the beginning of the 23d century. (the German language
version of Star Trek (TOS) (Raumschiff Enterprise) says it is in the
year 2200).

So, sadly there was a shift of over half a century.


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Op 23-6-2017 om 21:37 schreef Lance Corporal Hammer Schultz:
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:37:22 -0400, Rhino wrote:
>
>> I'm curious to know if there is even one heterosexual white male in the
>> cast or does their vision of "diversity" exclude heterosexual white
>> males altogether because, you know, its 2017?
>
> You can bet there will be white male villains.
>

Harry Mudd.

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On 6/23/2017 12:37 PM, Lance Corporal Hammer Schultz wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:37:22 -0400, Rhino wrote:
>
>> I'm curious to know if there is even one heterosexual white male in the
>> cast or does their vision of "diversity" exclude heterosexual white
>> males altogether because, you know, its 2017?
>
> You can bet there will be white male villains.
>
Worse, he's Harry Mudd!

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393969 is a reply to message #393930] Fri, 23 June 2017 16:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <594d73f2$0$827$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:

> Op 23-6-2017 om 20:21 schreef anim8rfsk:
>> In article <594d583f$0$711$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
>> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>
>>> Op 23-6-2017 om 13:31 schreef anim8rfsk:
>>>> In article <oiitcv$6po$5@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> They keep saying this takes place 10 years before Kirk. Assuming they
>>>> >> mean '10 years before Kirk took over the Enterprise' or '10 years
>>>> >> before
>>>> >> the first episode of TOS' then, yes, he was in Starfleet - OBSESSION's
>>>> >> flashbacks take place 11 years before season 2,
>>>> >
>>>> > According to Wikipedia, "Star Trek: Discovery" begins in 2254 and 2264
>>>> > was
>>>> > when Kirk took command of the Enterprise.
>>>>
>>>> Stupid retcon TNG dating.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, that was an error. But sadly now the case for most of the Prime
>>> Timeline.
>>
>> :(
>>
>
>
> Funny thing is, in 'Encounter at Farpoint', Data says he graduated from
> Starfleet in '78.... Which would place that in I think 2278. 2378 would
> be really silly in the light of 2364 mentioned by Geordi in a later episode.
>
> If 2278 is true, for that episode, than I think that their first inkling
> was to set TNG around 2300.
>
> I have somewhere in my collection (I don't remember the exact title) a
> guide to the history of ships named 'Enterprise', with a timeline that
> shifts the now 'official' timeline some 60 years into the past. Which
> better suits what was going on in TOS.
>
> And if I'm not mistaken the text on the cover of the TMP novel states
> that it is set at the beginning of the 23d century. (the German language
> version of Star Trek (TOS) (Raumschiff Enterprise) says it is in the
> year 2200).
>
> So, sadly there was a shift of over half a century.

TNG was originally in the first year (or years) of the 24th Century, so
call it 2301. It was also 78 years after real Trek, so call real Trek
2223 (we don't know *where* in real Trek, so there's some leeway). Mr.
Scott's Guide to the Enterprise put TMP in 2222 (IIRC). All of that
worked just fine. Then at the end of TNG's first season, Data tells the
guys from the past that it's "By your calendar two thousand three
hundred sixty four." and they decided that rather than admit Data (or
credited writers Maurice Hurley and/or Deborah McIntyre and/or Mona
Clee*) got it wrong they've been retconning ever since. Of course it
never helped that Encounter at Farpoint stuck in an extra world war.
And then some idiot decided it would be cute if TOS eps took place
exactly 300 years after they aired ...

*note that this is the only Trek McIntyre or Clee ever wrote. I've
wondered if McIntyre is related to Vonda N. McIntyre who wrote all that
terrible fanfic before finagling her way into writing bad novelizations.

BTW, good to see you again Wouter! :)

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Op 23-6-2017 om 22:33 schreef anim8rfsk:
> In article <594d73f2$0$827$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>
>> Op 23-6-2017 om 20:21 schreef anim8rfsk:
>>> In article <594d583f$0$711$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
>>> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Op 23-6-2017 om 13:31 schreef anim8rfsk:
>>>> > In article <oiitcv$6po$5@dont-email.me>,
>>>> > Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> They keep saying this takes place 10 years before Kirk. Assuming they
>>>> >>> mean '10 years before Kirk took over the Enterprise' or '10 years
>>>> >>> before
>>>> >>> the first episode of TOS' then, yes, he was in Starfleet - OBSESSION's
>>>> >>> flashbacks take place 11 years before season 2,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> According to Wikipedia, "Star Trek: Discovery" begins in 2254 and 2264
>>>> >> was
>>>> >> when Kirk took command of the Enterprise.
>>>> >
>>>> > Stupid retcon TNG dating.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that was an error. But sadly now the case for most of the Prime
>>>> Timeline.
>>>
>>> :(
>>>
>>
>>
>> Funny thing is, in 'Encounter at Farpoint', Data says he graduated from
>> Starfleet in '78.... Which would place that in I think 2278. 2378 would
>> be really silly in the light of 2364 mentioned by Geordi in a later episode.
>>
>> If 2278 is true, for that episode, than I think that their first inkling
>> was to set TNG around 2300.
>>
>> I have somewhere in my collection (I don't remember the exact title) a
>> guide to the history of ships named 'Enterprise', with a timeline that
>> shifts the now 'official' timeline some 60 years into the past. Which
>> better suits what was going on in TOS.
>>
>> And if I'm not mistaken the text on the cover of the TMP novel states
>> that it is set at the beginning of the 23d century. (the German language
>> version of Star Trek (TOS) (Raumschiff Enterprise) says it is in the
>> year 2200).
>>
>> So, sadly there was a shift of over half a century.
>
> TNG was originally in the first year (or years) of the 24th Century, so
> call it 2301. It was also 78 years after real Trek, so call real Trek
> 2223 (we don't know *where* in real Trek, so there's some leeway). Mr.
> Scott's Guide to the Enterprise put TMP in 2222 (IIRC).

I have that one too somewhere. :-)


> All of that
> worked just fine. Then at the end of TNG's first season, Data tells the
> guys from the past that it's "By your calendar two thousand three
> hundred sixty four." and they decided that rather than admit Data (or
> credited writers Maurice Hurley and/or Deborah McIntyre and/or Mona
> Clee*) got it wrong they've been retconning ever since. Of course it
> never helped that Encounter at Farpoint stuck in an extra world war.
> And then some idiot decided it would be cute if TOS eps took place
> exactly 300 years after they aired ...

Maybe in part influenced by the episode 'Miri', but I might give them
too much credit for it to be that.


>
> *note that this is the only Trek McIntyre or Clee ever wrote. I've
> wondered if McIntyre is related to Vonda N. McIntyre who wrote all that
> terrible fanfic before finagling her way into writing bad novelizations.
>
> BTW, good to see you again Wouter! :)
>

Likewise! :-)

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On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 08:35:28 -0400, Ubiquitous wrote:

> Sonequa Martin-Green torpedos the trolls

Hardly.

I wonder if the reason women are forbidden to command a starship in
Krik's era has anything to do with the disaster that is brewing for
this series.

Why don't these jackwagons create their own universe to play in,
rather than continue to meddle with Trek?

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In article <594d803a$0$802$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:

> Op 23-6-2017 om 22:33 schreef anim8rfsk:
>> In article <594d73f2$0$827$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
>> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>
>>> Op 23-6-2017 om 20:21 schreef anim8rfsk:
>>>> In article <594d583f$0$711$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
>>>> Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Op 23-6-2017 om 13:31 schreef anim8rfsk:
>>>> >> In article <oiitcv$6po$5@dont-email.me>,
>>>> >> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > <snip>
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> They keep saying this takes place 10 years before Kirk. Assuming
>>>> >>>> they
>>>> >>>> mean '10 years before Kirk took over the Enterprise' or '10 years
>>>> >>>> before
>>>> >>>> the first episode of TOS' then, yes, he was in Starfleet -
>>>> >>>> OBSESSION's
>>>> >>>> flashbacks take place 11 years before season 2,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> According to Wikipedia, "Star Trek: Discovery" begins in 2254 and 2264
>>>> >>> was
>>>> >>> when Kirk took command of the Enterprise.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Stupid retcon TNG dating.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > Yes, that was an error. But sadly now the case for most of the Prime
>>>> > Timeline.
>>>>
>>>> :(
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Funny thing is, in 'Encounter at Farpoint', Data says he graduated from
>>> Starfleet in '78.... Which would place that in I think 2278. 2378 would
>>> be really silly in the light of 2364 mentioned by Geordi in a later
>>> episode.
>>>
>>> If 2278 is true, for that episode, than I think that their first inkling
>>> was to set TNG around 2300.
>>>
>>> I have somewhere in my collection (I don't remember the exact title) a
>>> guide to the history of ships named 'Enterprise', with a timeline that
>>> shifts the now 'official' timeline some 60 years into the past. Which
>>> better suits what was going on in TOS.
>>>
>>> And if I'm not mistaken the text on the cover of the TMP novel states
>>> that it is set at the beginning of the 23d century. (the German language
>>> version of Star Trek (TOS) (Raumschiff Enterprise) says it is in the
>>> year 2200).
>>>
>>> So, sadly there was a shift of over half a century.
>>
>> TNG was originally in the first year (or years) of the 24th Century, so
>> call it 2301. It was also 78 years after real Trek, so call real Trek
>> 2223 (we don't know *where* in real Trek, so there's some leeway). Mr.
>> Scott's Guide to the Enterprise put TMP in 2222 (IIRC).
>
> I have that one too somewhere. :-)

:)

>
>> All of that
>> worked just fine. Then at the end of TNG's first season, Data tells the
>> guys from the past that it's "By your calendar two thousand three
>> hundred sixty four." and they decided that rather than admit Data (or
>> credited writers Maurice Hurley and/or Deborah McIntyre and/or Mona
>> Clee*) got it wrong they've been retconning ever since. Of course it
>> never helped that Encounter at Farpoint stuck in an extra world war.
>> And then some idiot decided it would be cute if TOS eps took place
>> exactly 300 years after they aired ...
>
> Maybe in part influenced by the episode 'Miri', but I might give them
> too much credit for it to be that.

Yeah, we have to ignore Miri (although quite frankly if you showed me
Mayberry today, I'd say it was at least 100 years old).

We also have to ignore Decker in TMP, but that's easy, 'cause Decker was
an idiot. :)
>
>
>>
>> *note that this is the only Trek McIntyre or Clee ever wrote. I've
>> wondered if McIntyre is related to Vonda N. McIntyre who wrote all that
>> terrible fanfic before finagling her way into writing bad novelizations.
>>
>> BTW, good to see you again Wouter! :)
>>
>
> Likewise! :-)

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393973 is a reply to message #393924] Fri, 23 June 2017 22:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

In article <oijd4t$v3g$1@dont-email.me>, dtravel@sonic.net says...
>
> On 6/23/2017 4:23 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> On 6/22/2017 7:00 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> > Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> >> On 6/22/2017 2:45 PM, Obveeus wrote:
>>
>>>> >>> ...and did you see who is playing Harry Mudd?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> No idea. All I really know about the casting is the lead is someone I
>>>> >> haven't heard of before and Michelle Yeoh apparently got shanghaied into
>>>> >> this, I assume because of a desperate need to keep her American SAG
>>>> >> medical insurance or some such. Since I wouldn't be able to afford the
>>>> >> subscription fee and wouldn't be able to stream it if I did pay for it,
>>>> >> I have no need to pay attention except for the fun of mocking it. :)
>>>> >
>>>> > If you get CBASS you can see the first ep free. Lucky for me, I don't.
>>>> >
>>>> Why would I watch a first episode of a show I know I won't be able to
>>>> watch subsequent episodes of?
>>>
>>> I wonder that as well, but their entire business plan revolves around
>>> that assumption.
>>
>> I presume it's b/c you'll like it so much that you'll subscribe.
>>
> Why would I subscribe to a service that I wouldn't be able to use? I'm
> guessing that a significant percentage of people who have new hardware
> and the latest software won't be able to stream it since that appears to
> be the case with every other streaming service. (Hell, YOUTUBE
> sometimes throttles their feed to me!)

What makes you think that that has anything to do with your hardware?

> And I don't have anything close
> to "current" H/W or S/W. I can't afford the new hardware and the new
> software won't run on what I do have.

A Chromecast is 35 bucks.
Re: Star Trek: Discovery star replies to show's racist critics [message #393974 is a reply to message #393927] Sat, 24 June 2017 12:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Doc O'Leary

For your reference, records indicate that
Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:

> Op 22-6-2017 om 20:47 schreef anim8rfsk:
>>
>> I hate that they're getting well established Trek history wrong - again.
>> Is that racist?
>
> They did not refer to criticism concerning the timeline.

Maybe, but maybe not. You can’t add new diversity to an established
franchise like Star Trek, especially via retcon, without addressing the
depictions of diversity in the existing story lines. Or without
representing *actual* population distributions in a society. Trek
*used* to smartly address current social issues via allegory. Everything
I read about this new show seems to indicate no such subtlety will exist.
It’s hard to have high expectations for *any* show that is pushing an
agenda that has nothing to do with telling a great story.

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Doc O'Leary sent the following on 06/24/2017 at 11:21 AM:
> Trek
> *used* to smartly address current social issues via allegory. Everything
> I read about this new show seems to indicate no such subtlety will exist.

Yep. Most writers -- especially the younger ones -- seem to prefer
anvils these days.

Not only that, but there's this, as well:

https://www.newsarama.com/35070-star-trek-discovery-to-explo re-space-outside-roddenberry-s-box.html
(or http://tinyurl.com/ycczjbym)

From the start of the article:

QUOTE
Star Trek: Discovery will break the longstanding - but somewhat unspoken
- "Roddenberry's Box" rule of the Star Trek universe - a rule laid out
by Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry which says that members of
Starfleet cannot be shown in deep conflict with each other or portrayed
in too negative a light.

That rule - that Starfleet members must be ultimately upstanding - has
been stretched a few times in the series' 50 year history, especially in
recent films. But Discovery's showrunners Aaron Harberts and Gretchen J.
Berg say the show will explore conflict between members of Starfleet in
more depth than ever before.
END QUOTE

So in addition to a lack of subtlety, we can expect a lack of discipline
and an overall attitude of "My opinion WILL be heard because my
self-esteem matters and I have a right to be heard. Even though I'm just
an ensign."

I also like the "especially in recent films" bit in that quote, which is
a kind way of pointing out one of the many ways that Team Abrams has
*already* damaged this franchise.

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Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
“This is where you end up when your parents don't tell you they love
you.” – Clive Babineaux, iZOMBIE
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