| Appple ii as a linux terminal [message #387813] |
Wed, 16 October 2019 03:57  |
chausenbo
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Hi all,
I would like to integrate my Apple //e into my daily work. My idea was to use it as a text console for my Linux box under my desk. If I understood everything correctly there are two possible ways to accomplish this:
1. Establish a telnet session via a Uthernet card and telnet65
Since telnet is an unencrypted connection in the local network I doubt that this is the proper way to go (due to this telnet is already depreciated in all Linux distros I am aware of).
2. Use a terminal emulator (like PROterm) and establish a serial connection
A SSC is already available in my //e. So all I need is a USB to Serial adapter and a proper cable.
I found some articles about this already in the internet. But none of them is an idiot proof step by step tutorial for people like me. ;-)
What are your thoughts on the two ways? May be I have overseen a third way. Has anybody ever done something like this and can provide support?
At the end of this thread I would like to have something like that idiot proof step by step tutorial in place.
Regards from Germany,
Christian
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| Re: Appple ii as a linux terminal [message #387815 is a reply to message #387813] |
Wed, 16 October 2019 05:24  |
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Originally posted by: Greg Wildman
On Wed, 2019-10-16 at 00:57 -0700, chausenbo@googlemail.com wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to integrate my Apple //e into my daily work. My idea
> was to use it as a text console for my Linux box under my desk. If I
> understood everything correctly there are two possible ways to
> accomplish this:
>
> 1. Establish a telnet session via a Uthernet card and telnet65
> Since telnet is an unencrypted connection in the local network I
> doubt that this is the proper way to go (due to this telnet is
> already depreciated in all Linux distros I am aware of).
>
> 2. Use a terminal emulator (like PROterm) and establish a serial
> connection
> A SSC is already available in my //e. So all I need is a USB to
> Serial adapter and a proper cable.
I prefer the serial option for a terminal, YMMW. Proterm is great for
this and the speed is good as well.
A step by step guide might exist but it all depends on which distro of
linux you are running and the version of that distro. Let us know, I
might be able to chime in with some info.
--
Greg
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| Re: Appple ii as a linux terminal [message #387819 is a reply to message #387813] |
Wed, 16 October 2019 10:55 |
Tom Lake
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On Wednesday, October 16, 2019 at 3:57:20 AM UTC-4, chau...@googlemail.com wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to integrate my Apple //e into my daily work. My idea was to use it as a text console for my Linux box under my desk. If I understood everything correctly there are two possible ways to accomplish this:
>
> 1. Establish a telnet session via a Uthernet card and telnet65
> Since telnet is an unencrypted connection in the local network I doubt that this is the proper way to go (due to this telnet is already depreciated in all Linux distros I am aware of).
>
> 2. Use a terminal emulator (like PROterm) and establish a serial connection
> A SSC is already available in my //e. So all I need is a USB to Serial adapter and a proper cable.
>
> I found some articles about this already in the internet. But none of them is an idiot proof step by step tutorial for people like me. ;-)
>
> What are your thoughts on the two ways? May be I have overseen a third way. Has anybody ever done something like this and can provide support?
>
> At the end of this thread I would like to have something like that idiot proof step by step tutorial in place.
>
> Regards from Germany,
> Christian
If you haven't yet connected with ADTPro (http://adtpro.com/), you're missing out on some good software! There are thousands of disk images out there you can download free. If you have used it, then you can use the PC you used with ADTPro as a terminal since you already have the necessary serial connection.
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| Re: Appple ii as a linux terminal [message #387836 is a reply to message #387813] |
Wed, 16 October 2019 18:25 |
roughana
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<chausenbo@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 1. Establish a telnet session via a Uthernet card and telnet65
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> 2. Use a terminal emulator (like PROterm) and establish a serial connection
IMHO, you’ll be happier with the experience using Proterm because it is a
polished package for this purpose. Telnet clients for the Apple IIe are not
polished.
Regards
Andrew
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| Re: Appple ii as a linux terminal [message #387846 is a reply to message #387836] |
Thu, 17 October 2019 00:18 |
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Originally posted by: Anthony Adverse
On Thursday, October 17, 2019 at 9:25:38 AM UTC+11, Andrew Roughan wrote:
> <chausenbo@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> 1. Establish a telnet session via a Uthernet card and telnet65
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>> 2. Use a terminal emulator (like PROterm) and establish a serial connection
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> IMHO, you’ll be happier with the experience using Proterm because it is a
> polished package for this purpose. Telnet clients for the Apple IIe are not
> polished.
>
> Regards
> Andrew
The only other problem I see is UTF-8 vs ASCII in the character sets. It might be my own setup but not everything works quite the way you expect from ProTerm. Given what I said at the start a different terminal emulation may work better. Off hand I think its still set to ANSI-BBS.
A
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| Re: Appple ii as a linux terminal [message #387847 is a reply to message #387813] |
Thu, 17 October 2019 03:14 |
chausenbo
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Thanks a lot for the great feedback!!! :-)
@Greg: I use KDE neon on my devices. This is an Ubuntu LTS system with the newest KDE DE. I really love it. Normally all tutorials or documentation for Ubuntu work also great for KDE neon.
@Dave: Thanks for that tutorial. Looks great! Will have a closer look.
@Tom: I am aware of ADTpro, but never used it.
@Patrick: To get telnet running in an convenient way you need to have a local static ip for the Linux box (not a problem). To secure the connection you could also setup a Linux firewall rule if the Apple would also have a static ip. Then you could restrict telnet connections in the firewall to only this ip. I do not know whether the Uthernet can be configured with a static ip?
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| Re: Appple ii as a linux terminal [message #387848 is a reply to message #387813] |
Thu, 17 October 2019 08:01 |
Gordon Henderson
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In article <244a093f-e3fc-4378-a459-7fdd4d9e164b@googlegroups.com>,
<chausenbo@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to integrate my Apple //e into my daily work. My idea was to use it as a text console for my Linux
> box under my desk. If I understood everything correctly there are two possible ways to accomplish this:
>
> 1. Establish a telnet session via a Uthernet card and telnet65
> Since telnet is an unencrypted connection in the local network I doubt that this is the proper way to go (due to
> this telnet is already depreciated in all Linux distros I am aware of).
>
> 2. Use a terminal emulator (like PROterm) and establish a serial connection
> A SSC is already available in my //e. So all I need is a USB to Serial adapter and a proper cable.
See if your Linux system motherboard has a real serial port on it. Some
still have, but on an internal connector rather than brought out.
Check console boot messages to see if the kernel detects one, or ls
/dev/ttyS* or buy a cheap PCI serial adapter card - might be easier than
making sure a USB serial adapter is always plugged in so you can run a
getty/login process on it at boot time via whatever init system you use.
And personally, on your own home LAN I'd not be too concerend about
non-encrypted telnet, although if you have guests using it, then you
might be, but weigh up the real risk vs. practicality for what you need.
Gordon
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| Re: Appple ii as a linux terminal [message #387855 is a reply to message #387848] |
Thu, 17 October 2019 15:24 |
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Originally posted by: 6502enhanced
You can also use a WiModem232 with PROTerm, ASCII Express ... on your Apple IIe. Of course this leads also to a telnet connection. I like to use this for my daily work. I type directly into the terminal program on my MacBook from the Apple II, or I use WordJuggler for large texts and open in WordJuggler it’s own terminal program, telnet to the MacBook or IPhone and send the text. Moreover I use VisiCalc and develop there sheets and use the results for the next steps or translate them to excel.
With the Uthernet you can use beside Telnet65 and A2osX also IFTTT65. With this software you can type directly into Evernote or Slack, send Emails and Tweets.
Finally I also use software on the Apple II and put the USB stick of my CFFA3000 into the MacBook and use it there with Virtual II.
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| Re: Appple ii as a linux terminal [message #388693 is a reply to message #387813] |
Tue, 12 November 2019 11:52 |
Ryan 'Gozar' Collins
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chausenbo@googlemail.com wrote:
> 2. Use a terminal emulator (like PROterm) and establish a serial connection
> A SSC is already available in my //e. So all I need is a USB to Serial adapter and a proper cable.
Since you already have a Linux box, this would be the easiest route. Use
an FTDI based cable and a null-modem adapter and you can plug directly
from your Apple II to your Linux box.
Another route, for more flexibility, is to use the same FTDI based cable
and tcpser. Tcpser will emulate an Hayes compatible modem, so your Apple
II thinks it is talking to a modem but in reality, you can go anywhere
on the internet.
For a standalone solution, you run tcpser on a SBC computer like a
Raspberry Pi. From your Apple you can "dial" the Pi over localhost,
which would use telnetd on the Pi. Once there, you can SSH to any host
you want.
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