| New music for IIGS [message #383707] |
Wed, 08 May 2019 04:16  |
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Originally posted by: fatdogprojects
here is my soundcloud, all songs are recorded from GS playback:
https://soundcloud.com/fatdogprojects
it has about 15 short (1-2 min) tracks with many more coming
each song has it's own 16 color art that will be included on the disk images
the songs are all recorded on a PC running GSPort 0.14
GSPort was running NinjaTrackerPlus
NTP was playing modules that I've written over the past several months
there are some fun new characters in the art if you poke around
i will be fleshing this out further in my free time
come take a journey with me!
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #383708 is a reply to message #383707] |
Wed, 08 May 2019 06:16  |
Alex Lee
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On 2019-05-08 08:16:54 +0000, fatdogprojects@gmail.com said:
> here is my soundcloud, all songs are recorded from GS playback:
> https://soundcloud.com/fatdogprojects
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> it has about 15 short (1-2 min) tracks with many more coming
> each song has it's own 16 color art that will be included on the disk images
> the songs are all recorded on a PC running GSPort 0.14
> GSPort was running NinjaTrackerPlus
> NTP was playing modules that I've written over the past several months
> there are some fun new characters in the art if you poke around
> i will be fleshing this out further in my free time
> come take a journey with me!
I'm digging it!
Love a bit of electro clash. Where can we access the NinjaTracker Plus
MODs? Would love to play these back on the IIGS.
- Alex
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #383717 is a reply to message #383707] |
Wed, 08 May 2019 17:31 |
Christopher G. Mason
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On 5/8/2019 4:16 AM, fatdogprojects@gmail.com wrote:
> here is my soundcloud, all songs are recorded from GS playback:
> https://soundcloud.com/fatdogprojects
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> it has about 15 short (1-2 min) tracks with many more coming
> each song has it's own 16 color art that will be included on the disk images
> the songs are all recorded on a PC running GSPort 0.14
> GSPort was running NinjaTrackerPlus
> NTP was playing modules that I've written over the past several months
> there are some fun new characters in the art if you poke around
> i will be fleshing this out further in my free time
> come take a journey with me!
>
Just keep in mind that GSPort (what GSPlus is based on) still had some
lingering bugs in the Ensoniq emulation with regards to NinjaTracker.
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #383725 is a reply to message #383717] |
Wed, 08 May 2019 18:35 |
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Originally posted by: fatdogprojects
Dang I referred to the newest software by the old name, it is a bad habit. These were actually recorded using GSPlus 0.14! Thank you for fixing the ensoniq playback Mr Mason. I don’t know how this could have been accomplished without yours and so many other generous contributions to this community. I use GSPort daily!
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #383766 is a reply to message #383725] |
Fri, 10 May 2019 02:05 |
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Originally posted by: fatdogprojects
On Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 6:35:01 PM UTC-4, fatdogp...@gmail.com wrote:
> Dang I referred to the newest software by the old name, it is a bad habit.. These were actually recorded using GSPlus 0.14! Thank you for fixing the ensoniq playback Mr Mason. I don’t know how this could have been accomplished without yours and so many other generous contributions to this community. I use GSPort daily!
I did it again by the end of the paragraph. GSPlus is the best! GSPlus is the emulator of choice for current PC users IMO. GSPlus has the best and most accurate sound emulation, and also GSPlus has enhanced SDL support for greatly increased display options. GSPLUS!
up to 25 songs!
https://soundcloud.com/fatdogprojects/sets
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #383844 is a reply to message #383707] |
Sun, 12 May 2019 07:57 |
Alex Lee
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On 2019-05-08 08:16:54 +0000, fatdogprojects@gmail.com said:
> here is my soundcloud, all songs are recorded from GS playback:
> https://soundcloud.com/fatdogprojects
>
> it has about 15 short (1-2 min) tracks with many more coming
> each song has it's own 16 color art that will be included on the disk images
> the songs are all recorded on a PC running GSPort 0.14
> GSPort was running NinjaTrackerPlus
> NTP was playing modules that I've written over the past several months
> there are some fun new characters in the art if you poke around
> i will be fleshing this out further in my free time
> come take a journey with me!
Now that I’ve had a chance to download your disk images…thanks so much
for these creative works.
I have thoroughly enjoyed them. Playing the music back in Sweet 16 (the
IIGS emulator for macOS) and on my real ROM3, the music sounds better
than the audio output of GSPort (less clicks).
Also, I LOVE the icons you’ve made – if I had time, I was thinking I’d
like to make mass storage volume icons white instead of the default
grey. And the worm is cute.
And then there’s your 320 SHR graphics – love em. I hope someone can
help you out with a jukebox that’s more user friendly and will play one
song to the next automatically, showing these pieces of “album” art.
And finally those 640 SHR mode desktop pics on NTP Volume 4…wow.
I’ve never seen more gorgeous 640 mode images on the IIGS. I’m assuming
you used Super Convert v3 or v4 to get that dithering so spot on. Bokeh
and haze effects that translate so well?! My absolute favourites, that
really seem to give the IIGS desktop a depth it’s always lacked, are:
From Black & White: Babe, Lost2, Road2, Snow1, Tracks, Veils and Zilla.
From Experimental: Duskwalk, Forest, Lost and Path.
From Glass: Purples and Rain.
From Scenes: Field, September, Shore, Street, Sunset, Wheat and Zen.
From Zoomed: Foliage, Frozen, Grain, Haze and Wildflower.
I can’t wait to see more of your creative output!
Alex
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #383855 is a reply to message #383844] |
Sun, 12 May 2019 13:49 |
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Originally posted by: fatdogprojects
> Now that I’ve had a chance to download your disk images…thanks so much
> for these creative works.
>
> I have thoroughly enjoyed them. Playing the music back in Sweet 16 (the
> IIGS emulator for macOS) and on my real ROM3, the music sounds better
> than the audio output of GSPort (less clicks).
>
> Also, I LOVE the icons you’ve made – if I had time, I was thinking I’d
> like to make mass storage volume icons white instead of the default
> grey. And the worm is cute.
>
> And then there’s your 320 SHR graphics – love em. I hope someone can
> help you out with a jukebox that’s more user friendly and will play one
> song to the next automatically, showing these pieces of “album” art.
>
> And finally those 640 SHR mode desktop pics on NTP Volume 4…wow.
>
> I’ve never seen more gorgeous 640 mode images on the IIGS. I’m assuming
> you used Super Convert v3 or v4 to get that dithering so spot on. Bokeh
> and haze effects that translate so well?! My absolute favourites, that
> really seem to give the IIGS desktop a depth it’s always lacked, are:
>
> From Black & White: Babe, Lost2, Road2, Snow1, Tracks, Veils and Zilla.
>
> From Experimental: Duskwalk, Forest, Lost and Path.
>
> From Glass: Purples and Rain.
>
> From Scenes: Field, September, Shore, Street, Sunset, Wheat and Zen.
>
> From Zoomed: Foliage, Frozen, Grain, Haze and Wildflower.
>
> I can’t wait to see more of your creative output!
>
> Alex
Alex, your site is the absolute best resource for GS anything. When I first stumbled on it in the 00's, I spent every night for weeks catching up on all the stuff i missed in the 80's and 90's. I never left any comments thanking you for all the time you spent archiving, sorting, organizing lessons to teach others how to create new GS stuff, re-organizing your images endless, the list goes on. I am sorry for not at the very least leaving a hello and a quick think you because your work deserved it. I would like to thank you right now for all the time and energy and love you've put into http://www.whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za
It has not gone unnoticed. I do believe that many of the Retro GS guys around have also been through a similar journey through your pages. Your site, this community as a whole, and the friendly passionate people here, inspire me to create more things. I used to make icons as a kid for the Finder, and when I saw your Icon Mania! write up I had to get to town! The Desktop notes you shared made me want to convert some more SHR's, the HD images you made are where I got the software to do it. Without your site I wouldn't have taken the time to find any of the software to do these fun projects. Thank you Alex, let me try to share some of my notes with you in return!
The experimental desktops are made through a very strange, lengthy process that has a low success rate (prob 40%). I will type out another post with much more detailed notes later. To sum, they are "fake 44 color" images that use patterns for 29 of the colors. if you look at GraphicWriter III's color menu, it uses the same patterns to achieve the appearance of more color. I use those same patterns in GIMP, with a specific 44 color palette, and then select each color and replace it with the pattern. About 10 minutes per image once you set up your keyboard shortcuts and get the routine down. If I wasn't so thick I would learn to write a script to do this for me.
The B&W images pop because they maintain the full 640x200 resolution. The resizing process is different on the PC side. Target 640x400 first, then squash to 640x200. This will maintain your horizontal detail! Then color reduce. GIMP has a nice tool to reduce colors to 1 bit with dithering. I prefer a tool that allows you to tweak the dithering % though, so you can avoid some artifacting. www.ximagic.com makes a good photoshop plugin. Put the squashed 640x200 2 color image through SuperConvert, adjust the slider for the horizontal res, pick the right settings, and bam!
The others are standard 15 color reductions, but with specific palettes to ensure that the dithering algorithms choose the right colors. I like the ximagic tool because there are many different dithering techniques to choose from and I can eyeball the best ones. BMP2HDR is also wonderful but I do not have much experience with it. The A2 images have been fantastic though.
Finally, for the multiple palette image conversions, I like Prism and .tiff . I try to do as much prepping on the PC as possible first, sometimes going as far as removing "bands" of an image, reducing color, and pasting it back into the original image.
More notes coming soon. I am so happy you found the goodies :D There is much more I have to share (~100 icons and tons more graphix), but first to get caught up here! What format would you like for the palettes? I can just list the RGB values here, there aren't all that many
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #383941 is a reply to message #383855] |
Wed, 15 May 2019 07:19 |
Alex Lee
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On 2019-05-12 17:49:17 +0000, fatdogprojects@gmail.com said:
> Alex, your site is the absolute best resource for GS anything. When I
> first stumbled on it in the 00's, I spent every night for weeks
> catching up on all the stuff i missed in the 80's and 90's. I never
> left any comments thanking you for all the time you spent archiving,
> sorting, organizing lessons to teach others how to create new GS stuff,
> re-organizing your images endless, the list goes on. I am sorry for not
> at the very least leaving a hello and a quick think you because your
> work deserved it. I would like to thank you right now for all the time
> and energy and love you've put into
> http://www.whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za
>
> It has not gone unnoticed. I do believe that many of the Retro GS guys
> around have also been through a similar journey through your pages.
> Your site, this community as a whole, and the friendly passionate
> people here, inspire me to create more things. I used to make icons as
> a kid for the Finder, and when I saw your Icon Mania! write up I had to
> get to town! The Desktop notes you shared made me want to convert some
> more SHR's, the HD images you made are where I got the software to do
> it. Without your site I wouldn't have taken the time to find any of the
> software to do these fun projects. Thank you Alex, let me try to share
> some of my notes with you in return!
I'm very glad to hear that all my archiving efforts and blog posts have
inspired you! I guess I hoped they would, because I love to see
creative endeavours undertaken on the IIGS. Thanks for your kind words.
> The experimental desktops are made through a very strange, lengthy
> process that has a low success rate (prob 40%). I will type out another
> post with much more detailed notes later. To sum, they are "fake 44
> color" images that use patterns for 29 of the colors. if you look at
> GraphicWriter III's color menu, it uses the same patterns to achieve
> the appearance of more color. I use those same patterns in GIMP, with a
> specific 44 color palette, and then select each color and replace it
> with the pattern. About 10 minutes per image once you set up your
> keyboard shortcuts and get the routine down. If I wasn't so thick I
> would learn to write a script to do this for me.
I love strange processes! :-)
I love how further dithering can yield great results with additional
"colours" in 640 mode and those patterns in GWIII are a great start.
AppleWorks GS also has some nice patterns extending the "range" of
colours in 640 mode.
I look forward to reading (and hopefully screen grabs, if not a video)
more of your process.
> The B&W images pop because they maintain the full 640x200 resolution.
> The resizing process is different on the PC side. Target 640x400 first,
> then squash to 640x200. This will maintain your horizontal detail! Then
> color reduce. GIMP has a nice tool to reduce colors to 1 bit with
> dithering. I prefer a tool that allows you to tweak the dithering %
> though, so you can avoid some artifacting. www.ximagic.com makes a good
> photoshop plugin. Put the squashed 640x200 2 color image through
> SuperConvert, adjust the slider for the horizontal res, pick the right
> settings, and bam!
Nice!
> The others are standard 15 color reductions, but with specific palettes
> to ensure that the dithering algorithms choose the right colors. I like
> the ximagic tool because there are many different dithering techniques
> to choose from and I can eyeball the best ones. BMP2HDR is also
> wonderful but I do not have much experience with it. The A2 images have
> been fantastic though.
>
> Finally, for the multiple palette image conversions, I like Prism and
> .tiff . I try to do as much prepping on the PC as possible first,
> sometimes going as far as removing "bands" of an image, reducing color,
> and pasting it back into the original image.
Have you ever played around with trying to get better results with 256
and 3200 colour mode images? Years ago I tried making 3200 colour
images from Photoshop, by setting up slices every horizontal line and
outputting each image (a single row) and reconstituting it in
Photoshop. The results were no better than all the other converters out
there, which was disappointing. I still feel there has to be a better
algorithm for producing 3200 mode images! I even tried a "1600" colour
mode, by creating slices every second row of pixels, thinking that
might work with dithering to create a better dither pattern and
reducing the banding commonly seen in 3200 mode images...nope, it
turned out no better :-(
> More notes coming soon. I am so happy you found the goodies :D There is
> much more I have to share (~100 icons and tons more graphix), but first
> to get caught up here! What format would you like for the palettes? I
> can just list the RGB values here, there aren't all that many
I would LOVE to see more icons. I'd been thinking I'd really like to do
a complete icon replacement set for System 6, but really don't have the
time with so many other things to do (on the IIGS AND other life stuff).
Re: format for the palettes, I'm a Photoshop user myself, so whatever
would be easiest for you to export over that Photoshop could handle.
- Alex
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #383947 is a reply to message #383941] |
Wed, 15 May 2019 13:33 |
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Originally posted by: fatdog projects
here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1oJxi48UEsfN-NGREGP5ZGJbLrI 53w7Em
gfx.po 32 MB proDOS image (21 MB zipped)
800+ pics with comparisons of the different modes, desktops, and other experimental stuff including my 256 and 3200 color attempts
close to 200 new icons for all sorts of folders and file types
includes small icons and color masks
(icons do not play well on the desktop because of the masks)
if anyone wants to develop System 6 further, consider these files a donation towards that cause :) . A desktop background organizer NDA would be incredible if anyone is looking for a project!
Alex I have to head to work I will reply to your post in more detail when I get home. I have also made many of the same attempts as you, but for now hope you enjoy the package
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #383973 is a reply to message #383947] |
Thu, 16 May 2019 09:27 |
Alex Lee
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On 2019-05-15 17:33:43 +0000, fatdog projects said:
> here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1oJxi48UEsfN-NGREGP5ZGJbLrI 53w7Em
> gfx.po 32 MB proDOS image (21 MB zipped)
> 800+ pics with comparisons of the different modes, desktops, and other
> experimental stuff including my 256 and 3200 color attempts
> close to 200 new icons for all sorts of folders and file types
> includes small icons and color masks
> (icons do not play well on the desktop because of the masks)
>
> if anyone wants to develop System 6 further, consider these files a
> donation towards that cause :) . A desktop background organizer NDA
> would be incredible if anyone is looking for a project!
>
> Alex I have to head to work I will reply to your post in more detail
> when I get home. I have also made many of the same attempts as you, but
> for now hope you enjoy the package
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Y-LtaHhcgOPm1eW61sm-UbuAso -82KnA
> sorry, I re-upped it to include the following in the Extras folder:
> Finder (hacked Finder 6.0.4 to include replaced default rIcons only)
> Sys.Icons (thank you Steve Stephenson) - replaces and adds icons to File Dialog
> - consistent with the other icons in the package
There are MANY more utterly amazing 640 mode images on this 32meg
image! I loved going through them.
The icons are awesome too – I'm getting inspired to do a complete make
over for System 6, ideas I've had for ages. But my immediate desire to
do so won't work with the time I have available.
One thing I'd love to be able to do is find the SysFont v2.0 NDA to
change the font used on labels for disks, files and folders that was
shown off as part of Ian Johnson's Japanese language conversion of
GS/OS – but I've NEVER been able to find it. Does anyone have the
elusive SysFront v2.0 NDA?
Alex
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #383998 is a reply to message #383952] |
Fri, 17 May 2019 20:43 |
Alex Lee
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Everything’s coming up roses! Apple IIGS System 6.0.4 Special Edition...
Thanks to you, Fatdog Productions, (I hope you can reveal to me who you
really are!) included your amazing 640 mode graphics conversions AND
complete icon replacement set for System 6.0.x, including changing the
built-in icons of the Finder and additional icon files for files,
specific folders, almost anything you can think of – it’s a refreshing
change.
Thanks to Atsuhiro Suzuki, I’ve finally found the elusive New Desk
Accessory SysFont v2.1 by Keiichi Urabe, who sadly passed away a few
years ago. This NDA makes up part of the total Japanese conversion of
GS/OS, which I’d like to play with in due time, but SysFont basically
lets you change the pull down menu and dialogue fonts within System
6.0.x! Ever since I saw early development pics of the IIGS Finder in
the Apple IIGS Book, which includes a DIFFERENT font for the text
sitting underneath icons, I’ve felt that Shaston 8 is too big and takes
up more space than it needs to, adding to the clutter of the IIGS
desktop. No more! I’ve replaced Shaston with Smallville 8, which is the
font used from MouseDesk! Although it looks different from Shaston, it
has a similar weight, but it’s much more condensed. SysFont also gives
you control over which apps can use different fonts – you can return to
defaults for other apps if you wish.
You might think, surely there already exists a system extension that
replaces the standard fonts in GS/OS. Yes, there was one by Dave
Leffler, but it made GS/OS quite unstable. SysFont seems to be rock
solid, apart from some missing characters, some of which I’ve attempted
to address, by including the open and closed Apple characters in the
Smallville 8 font (my dearly beloved Hermes looked awful without that
closed Apple in its menu bar!). I hope to replace others as I find them
and continue to use GS Font Editor (Font Factory 2.0 couldn’t seem to
find the more dingbatty characters!) replacing missing characters in
Smallville that are in Shaston.
You can get this System 6.0.4 Special Edition from here:
http://www.whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za/files/System_6_0_4_Ult ra_SE.zip
I’ll update it semi-regularly if new 8 point fonts are worth trying, or
more desktop images (you can use the included DeskMaker NDA to change
between desktops, which are all kept in a “Desktops” folder in the root
directory) or icons become available. Let me know what you all think.
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #384005 is a reply to message #383998] |
Sat, 18 May 2019 01:02 |
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Originally posted by: fatdog projects
On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 8:43:48 PM UTC-4, Alex Lee wrote:
> Everything’s coming up roses! Apple IIGS System 6.0.4 Special Edition...
>
> Thanks to you, Fatdog Productions, (I hope you can reveal to me who you
> really are!) included your amazing 640 mode graphics conversions AND
> complete icon replacement set for System 6.0.x, including changing the
> built-in icons of the Finder and additional icon files for files,
> specific folders, almost anything you can think of – it’s a refreshing
> change.
>
> Thanks to Atsuhiro Suzuki, I’ve finally found the elusive New Desk
> Accessory SysFont v2.1 by Keiichi Urabe, who sadly passed away a few
> years ago. This NDA makes up part of the total Japanese conversion of
> GS/OS, which I’d like to play with in due time, but SysFont basically
> lets you change the pull down menu and dialogue fonts within System
> 6.0.x! Ever since I saw early development pics of the IIGS Finder in
> the Apple IIGS Book, which includes a DIFFERENT font for the text
> sitting underneath icons, I’ve felt that Shaston 8 is too big and takes
> up more space than it needs to, adding to the clutter of the IIGS
> desktop. No more! I’ve replaced Shaston with Smallville 8, which is the
> font used from MouseDesk! Although it looks different from Shaston, it
> has a similar weight, but it’s much more condensed. SysFont also gives
> you control over which apps can use different fonts – you can return to
> defaults for other apps if you wish.
>
> You might think, surely there already exists a system extension that
> replaces the standard fonts in GS/OS. Yes, there was one by Dave
> Leffler, but it made GS/OS quite unstable. SysFont seems to be rock
> solid, apart from some missing characters, some of which I’ve attempted
> to address, by including the open and closed Apple characters in the
> Smallville 8 font (my dearly beloved Hermes looked awful without that
> closed Apple in its menu bar!). I hope to replace others as I find them
> and continue to use GS Font Editor (Font Factory 2.0 couldn’t seem to
> find the more dingbatty characters!) replacing missing characters in
> Smallville that are in Shaston.
>
> You can get this System 6.0.4 Special Edition from here:
> http://www.whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za/files/System_6_0_4_Ult ra_SE.zip
>
> I’ll update it semi-regularly if new 8 point fonts are worth trying, or
> more desktop images (you can use the included DeskMaker NDA to change
> between desktops, which are all kept in a “Desktops” folder in the root
> directory) or icons become available. Let me know what you all think.
This is so cool :D
I've wanted a different Finder font since I was a kid. Thank you Mr. Urabe so very much for your contribution. Rest in peace, good sir. Your gifts live on in the digital space!
I found this when searching his name on google: https://mirrors.apple2.org.za/ground.icaen.uiowa.edu/Collect ions/1WSW/NF1WSW.SHK.INFO.txt
of interest to many people here would be:
TypeChanger.BXY
TypeChanger FX v1.0 (c) Keiichi Urabe /GEA00327
finder extension to change file types under Finder
Able to change multiple files with one operation
Playing with SysFont, and it does so much more than I could have hoped for. It's pretty amazing :) What a perfect little NDA. Was not expecting per application settings or an option to disable in 320. COOL!
It's an incredible coincidence you went looking for that Alex. I actually started two different tiny fonts, but never finished. They are like 30% complete. My intention was to do a complete visual overhaul with System 6 at some point, but ran into the same problems with Leffler's NDA so abandoned the fonts!
I also have about 60 new small, GUI-friendly rSounds. They all have prefixes in the resource title like GUI- or Sys6- so they are categorized in the Sound CPL. I think they sound pretty good, but don't use them much unfortunately. You jumped the gun man, I have more to share! :)
What else is there... oh! One of the things I really wanted to put into a 6..0.4 SE was "out of the box" ability to open popular filetypes from the Finder. Your pics, musics, font previews, animations, ARCHIVES especially, all the fun stuff. Finding the right combination of FExts and NDAs could do most of the work, but there's always gonna be conflicts. :/ The best solution to this would be to create a new, extensive and stable NDA that combines the best features of each. Handle text, SHK, pics, NTP music :p , TrueType previews, AIFF, WAV, more! That is my dream. Forget riches and fame, just gimme dat NDA!
Also, maybe get some feedback from the devs around here as to what must-have tools should be in a universal System disk. Stuff that would encourage new users to want to develop new stuff, ya know? Getting an SHK file onto an emulated proDOS disk, extracted with GSHK properly, maintaining naming conventions, this isn't newbie friendly stuff. No wonder there's a slow trickle of GS dev!
I think we have an opportunity to make a perfect disk image that can attract not only new, curious users - but also make it infinitely easier for those new people to make new stuff at the same time
TPIII with the right setup is also the door into everything for a new user exploring their first GS disk, I think. Maybe we should include the best of the best GS software to include (be extremely selective of course). I'd vote for PlatinumPaint and AWGS at least. For me they were the most used creativity programs by far. A couple of really fun, addictive, SMALL games would be nice too. I think SolarianGS is a great fit for a pack-in title game-wise
My friend from down under, we should learn to code...
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #384006 is a reply to message #383707] |
Sat, 18 May 2019 01:05 |
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Originally posted by: fatdog projects
On Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 4:16:55 AM UTC-4, fatdog projects wrote:
> here is my soundcloud, all songs are recorded from GS playback:
> https://soundcloud.com/fatdogprojects
>
> it has about 15 short (1-2 min) tracks with many more coming
> each song has it's own 16 color art that will be included on the disk images
> the songs are all recorded on a PC running GSPort 0.14
> GSPort was running NinjaTrackerPlus
> NTP was playing modules that I've written over the past several months
> there are some fun new characters in the art if you poke around
> i will be fleshing this out further in my free time
> come take a journey with me!
Hey wait, I thought we were talking about NinjaTrackerPlus music here!
the soundcloud is up to 35 songs if anyone here is still interested! the are 3 new songs i've been working on over the past week, still GS playback of course
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #384009 is a reply to message #384005] |
Sat, 18 May 2019 04:07 |
Alex Lee
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On 2019-05-18 05:02:35 +0000, fatdog projects said:
> On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 8:43:48 PM UTC-4, Alex Lee wrote:
>> Everything’s coming up roses! Apple IIGS System 6.0.4 Special Edition...
>>
>> Thanks to you, Fatdog Productions, (I hope you can reveal to me who
>> you> really are!) included your amazing 640 mode graphics conversions
>> AND> complete icon replacement set for System 6.0.x, including changing
>> the> built-in icons of the Finder and additional icon files for files,>
>> specific folders, almost anything you can think of – it’s a refreshing>
>> change.
>>
>> Thanks to Atsuhiro Suzuki, I’ve finally found the elusive New Desk>
>> Accessory SysFont v2.1 by Keiichi Urabe, who sadly passed away a few>
>> years ago. This NDA makes up part of the total Japanese conversion of>
>> GS/OS, which I’d like to play with in due time, but SysFont basically>
>> lets you change the pull down menu and dialogue fonts within System>
>> 6.0.x! Ever since I saw early development pics of the IIGS Finder in>
>> the Apple IIGS Book, which includes a DIFFERENT font for the text>
>> sitting underneath icons, I’ve felt that Shaston 8 is too big and
>> takes> up more space than it needs to, adding to the clutter of the
>> IIGS> desktop. No more! I’ve replaced Shaston with Smallville 8, which
>> is the> font used from MouseDesk! Although it looks different from
>> Shaston, it> has a similar weight, but it’s much more condensed.
>> SysFont also gives> you control over which apps can use different fonts
>> – you can return to> defaults for other apps if you wish.
>>
>> You might think, surely there already exists a system extension that>
>> replaces the standard fonts in GS/OS. Yes, there was one by Dave>
>> Leffler, but it made GS/OS quite unstable. SysFont seems to be rock>
>> solid, apart from some missing characters, some of which I’ve
>> attempted> to address, by including the open and closed Apple
>> characters in the> Smallville 8 font (my dearly beloved Hermes looked
>> awful without that> closed Apple in its menu bar!). I hope to replace
>> others as I find them> and continue to use GS Font Editor (Font Factory
>> 2.0 couldn’t seem to> find the more dingbatty characters!) replacing
>> missing characters in> Smallville that are in Shaston.
>>
>> You can get this System 6.0.4 Special Edition from here:>
>> http://www.whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za/files/System_6_0_4_Ult ra_SE.zip
>>
>> I’ll update it semi-regularly if new 8 point fonts are worth trying,
>> or> more desktop images (you can use the included DeskMaker NDA to
>> change> between desktops, which are all kept in a “Desktops” folder in
>> the root> directory) or icons become available. Let me know what you
>> all think.
>
> This is so cool :D
>
> I've wanted a different Finder font since I was a kid. Thank you Mr.
> Urabe so very much for your contribution. Rest in peace, good sir. Your
> gifts live on in the digital space!
>
> I found this when searching his name on google:
> https://mirrors.apple2.org.za/ground.icaen.uiowa.edu/Collect ions/1WSW/NF1WSW.SHK.INFO.txt
>
>
> of interest to many people here would be:
>
> TypeChanger.BXY
> TypeChanger FX v1.0 (c) Keiichi Urabe /GEA00327
> finder extension to change file types under Finder
> Able to change multiple files with one operation
I've got this too and will have to check it out. I've used Bill Tudor's
system extra, I think it's invoked by holding the shift key down as
well as open-apple + "I". But it's a bit bloated. Something simple
would be good, and the prospect of doing multiple files at once sounds
amazing. Batch utilities on the IIGS aren't in great supply.
> Playing with SysFont, and it does so much more than I could have hoped
> for. It's pretty amazing :) What a perfect little NDA. Was not
> expecting per application settings or an option to disable in 320. COOL!
I know. Finally finding it hasn't disappointed :-)
> It's an incredible coincidence you went looking for that Alex. I
> actually started two different tiny fonts, but never finished. They are
> like 30% complete. My intention was to do a complete visual overhaul
> with System 6 at some point, but ran into the same problems with
> Leffler's NDA so abandoned the fonts!
Great minds think alike! I'd love to see your work on these fonts!
> I also have about 60 new small, GUI-friendly rSounds. They all have
> prefixes in the resource title like GUI- or Sys6- so they are
> categorized in the Sound CPL. I think they sound pretty good, but don't
> use them much unfortunately. You jumped the gun man, I have more to
> share! :)
Awesome! :-) As they say in software development – it's never finished
– we'll simply add these new rSounds in an update. I'm keen to try to
plug more holes in the Smallville font as I find them.
> What else is there... oh! One of the things I really wanted to put into
> a 6.0.4 SE was "out of the box" ability to open popular filetypes from
> the Finder. Your pics, musics, font previews, animations, ARCHIVES
> especially, all the fun stuff. Finding the right combination of FExts
> and NDAs could do most of the work, but there's always gonna be
> conflicts. :/ The best solution to this would be to create a new,
> extensive and stable NDA that combines the best features of each.
> Handle text, SHK, pics, NTP music :p , TrueType previews, AIFF, WAV,
> more! That is my dream. Forget riches and fame, just gimme dat NDA!
At the moment, I've got various utilities installed that handle most
things to view them in the Finder – I'm probably missing a couple, but
it includes PicViewer
(http://www.brutaldeluxe.fr/products/apple2gs/picviewer.html) for
almost all image formats as well as viewing icons, Megabox for
SoundSmith and NoiseTracker music, and EllieFont for viewing fonts. But
I could also get DeskPlay installed for MODs and Sound It for playback
of pretty much any other type of sound file apart from rSounds (which
is now handled natively in System 6.0.4 with the Sound CDev installed).
I've got them installed now.
> Also, maybe get some feedback from the devs around here as to what
> must-have tools should be in a universal System disk. Stuff that would
> encourage new users to want to develop new stuff, ya know? Getting an
> SHK file onto an emulated proDOS disk, extracted with GSHK properly,
> maintaining naming conventions, this isn't newbie friendly stuff. No
> wonder there's a slow trickle of GS dev!
Devs, what do you think?
> I think we have an opportunity to make a perfect disk image that can
> attract not only new, curious users - but also make it infinitely
> easier for those new people to make new stuff at the same time
True, but this disk image will probably only work well in emulators.
Even in my workhouse ROM3 IIGS, I only have a 8Mhz/64k ZipGS, but I'll
see how adding more stuff to this disk image fairs on my setup.
> TPIII with the right setup is also the door into everything for a new
> user exploring their first GS disk, I think. Maybe we should include
> the best of the best GS software to include (be extremely selective of
> course). I'd vote for PlatinumPaint and AWGS at least. For me they were
> the most used creativity programs by far. A couple of really fun,
> addictive, SMALL games would be nice too. I think SolarianGS is a
> great fit for a pack-in title game-wise
I've got a private System/32meg volume that pretty much has EVERYTHING
linked from all my 32meg images via TransProg III. We could include
that as well. I tried sector editing the French v1.5 to translate it to
English...for the most part, it worked apart from some visual glitches,
but the benefits of the v1.5 probably outweigh it (for me, it includes
speed control over a ZipGS when launching apps).
> My friend from down under, we should learn to code...
I wish I could. I've recently moved into UI/UX and am working closely
with lots of devs...perhaps it'll rub off on me :-)
Alex
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #384025 is a reply to message #384009] |
Sat, 18 May 2019 23:00 |
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Originally posted by: fatdog projects
> I'd love to see your work on these fonts!
I too wanted to squish some horizontal space but i went a lil extreme
https://imgur.com/a/Lkhu8Zo
just kidding, I now remember why i made that font. I was testing it in 320 mode with Leffler's NDA to see how it looked. Now I wish SysFont had a 320 specific setting! I was going for something similar to Chicago on System 7 for macs
> plug more holes in the Smallville font as I find them.
>
I love Smallville man, please keep working on it. I would use it for all menus over Shaston for sure!
> At the moment, I've got various utilities installed that handle most
> things to view them in the Finder –
Sorry Alex, I hadn't looked around your image enough when i typed my original comments. You have indeed covered all the bases, and alot of the stuff I use isn't freeware. I have a bunch of GS+ utils that I paid for back in the day through subscription.. Baloon, ICE, Alias thingy, etc. actually do you know if Mr. Wankerl (I believe he was the creator) can be contacted? Maybe he would be interested in the project?
> True, but this disk image will probably only work well in emulators.
> Even in my workhouse ROM3 IIGS, I only have a 8Mhz/64k ZipGS, but I'll
> see how adding more stuff to this disk image fairs on my setup.
This is a great point, I have been spoiled by unlimited speed through emulation and really have to start keeping that in mind. Don't worry about putting more stuff on there, and thank you so much for putting this together. If we want to target emulator users with a Championship Edition ;) we can do that separately!
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #384030 is a reply to message #384005] |
Sun, 19 May 2019 08:16 |
Alex Lee
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On 2019-05-18 05:02:35 +0000, fatdog projects said:
> On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 8:43:48 PM UTC-4, Alex Lee wrote:
>> Everything’s coming up roses! Apple IIGS System 6.0.4 Special Edition...
>>
>> Thanks to you, Fatdog Productions, (I hope you can reveal to me who
>> you> really are!) included your amazing 640 mode graphics conversions
>> AND> complete icon replacement set for System 6.0.x, including changing
>> the> built-in icons of the Finder and additional icon files for files,>
>> specific folders, almost anything you can think of – it’s a refreshing>
>> change.
>>
>> Thanks to Atsuhiro Suzuki, I’ve finally found the elusive New Desk>
>> Accessory SysFont v2.1 by Keiichi Urabe, who sadly passed away a few>
>> years ago. This NDA makes up part of the total Japanese conversion of>
>> GS/OS, which I’d like to play with in due time, but SysFont basically>
>> lets you change the pull down menu and dialogue fonts within System>
>> 6.0.x! Ever since I saw early development pics of the IIGS Finder in>
>> the Apple IIGS Book, which includes a DIFFERENT font for the text>
>> sitting underneath icons, I’ve felt that Shaston 8 is too big and
>> takes> up more space than it needs to, adding to the clutter of the
>> IIGS> desktop. No more! I’ve replaced Shaston with Smallville 8, which
>> is the> font used from MouseDesk! Although it looks different from
>> Shaston, it> has a similar weight, but it’s much more condensed.
>> SysFont also gives> you control over which apps can use different fonts
>> – you can return to> defaults for other apps if you wish.
>>
>> You might think, surely there already exists a system extension that>
>> replaces the standard fonts in GS/OS. Yes, there was one by Dave>
>> Leffler, but it made GS/OS quite unstable. SysFont seems to be rock>
>> solid, apart from some missing characters, some of which I’ve
>> attempted> to address, by including the open and closed Apple
>> characters in the> Smallville 8 font (my dearly beloved Hermes looked
>> awful without that> closed Apple in its menu bar!). I hope to replace
>> others as I find them> and continue to use GS Font Editor (Font Factory
>> 2.0 couldn’t seem to> find the more dingbatty characters!) replacing
>> missing characters in> Smallville that are in Shaston.
>>
>> You can get this System 6.0.4 Special Edition from here:>
>> http://www.whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za/files/System_6_0_4_Ult ra_SE.zip
>>
>> I’ll update it semi-regularly if new 8 point fonts are worth trying,
>> or> more desktop images (you can use the included DeskMaker NDA to
>> change> between desktops, which are all kept in a “Desktops” folder in
>> the root> directory) or icons become available. Let me know what you
>> all think.
>
> This is so cool :D
>
> I've wanted a different Finder font since I was a kid. Thank you Mr.
> Urabe so very much for your contribution. Rest in peace, good sir. Your
> gifts live on in the digital space!
>
> I found this when searching his name on google:
> https://mirrors.apple2.org.za/ground.icaen.uiowa.edu/Collect ions/1WSW/NF1WSW.SHK.INFO.txt
>
>
> of interest to many people here would be:
>
> TypeChanger.BXY
> TypeChanger FX v1.0 (c) Keiichi Urabe /GEA00327
> finder extension to change file types under Finder
> Able to change multiple files with one operation
>
> Playing with SysFont, and it does so much more than I could have hoped
> for. It's pretty amazing :) What a perfect little NDA. Was not
> expecting per application settings or an option to disable in 320. COOL!
>
> It's an incredible coincidence you went looking for that Alex. I
> actually started two different tiny fonts, but never finished. They are
> like 30% complete. My intention was to do a complete visual overhaul
> with System 6 at some point, but ran into the same problems with
> Leffler's NDA so abandoned the fonts!
>
> I also have about 60 new small, GUI-friendly rSounds. They all have
> prefixes in the resource title like GUI- or Sys6- so they are
> categorized in the Sound CPL. I think they sound pretty good, but don't
> use them much unfortunately. You jumped the gun man, I have more to
> share! :)
>
> What else is there... oh! One of the things I really wanted to put into
> a 6.0.4 SE was "out of the box" ability to open popular filetypes from
> the Finder. Your pics, musics, font previews, animations, ARCHIVES
> especially, all the fun stuff. Finding the right combination of FExts
> and NDAs could do most of the work, but there's always gonna be
> conflicts. :/ The best solution to this would be to create a new,
> extensive and stable NDA that combines the best features of each.
> Handle text, SHK, pics, NTP music :p , TrueType previews, AIFF, WAV,
> more! That is my dream. Forget riches and fame, just gimme dat NDA!
>
> Also, maybe get some feedback from the devs around here as to what
> must-have tools should be in a universal System disk. Stuff that would
> encourage new users to want to develop new stuff, ya know? Getting an
> SHK file onto an emulated proDOS disk, extracted with GSHK properly,
> maintaining naming conventions, this isn't newbie friendly stuff. No
> wonder there's a slow trickle of GS dev!
>
> I think we have an opportunity to make a perfect disk image that can
> attract not only new, curious users - but also make it infinitely
> easier for those new people to make new stuff at the same time
>
> TPIII with the right setup is also the door into everything for a new
> user exploring their first GS disk, I think. Maybe we should include
> the best of the best GS software to include (be extremely selective of
> course). I'd vote for PlatinumPaint and AWGS at least. For me they were
> the most used creativity programs by far. A couple of really fun,
> addictive, SMALL games would be nice too. I think SolarianGS is a great
> fit for a pack-in title game-wise
>
> My friend from down under, we should learn to code...
I've made some updates:
Renamed the volume to “System” so it can make use of the customised
icon. It’s nice to have a difference between the boot volume and others
(which can be customised using the icon set and an icon editor to
assign to other volumes).
Improvements made to Smallville.8 font: Made a character spacing
adjustment to the open and closed Apple characters, so now (going by
how it appears in the Hermes NDA) there is now a space between the
closed Apple and the next character in pull down menus showing keyboard
shortcuts. Also added ©, ® and ™, as well as opening and closing smart
quotes. Basically, almost everything is now in place except
multi-language support i.e. including characters with accents, umlauts,
etc. I’ve ended up using Font Factory v2.0 as I better understand IIGS
fonts now – swapping between open windows of fonts is a lot easier than
using Beagle Brother GS Font Editor.
Installed Tool 221 and 222 for NinjaTracker and NinjaTracker Plus.
Also cleaned up some extraneous system extensions, which should make
boot-up a bit quicker and save a bit of memory. But added DeskPlay and
Sound-It so you can now open any music sequence or sound effect in the
Finder.
Now, there is something a little weird going on – I was experiencing
some desktop glitches – I suspect moving the load order of system
extensions might fix this, so I’ll just have to play around with
sorting Desk.Accs, System.Setup and CDev folders a little later when I
have more time. I was hoping adding the simple NDA Display Clipboard
would fix it, but it seems to be having problems of its own and is
greyed out – I don’t know why.
The previous version is still available under the same link previously
given (a backup has been made of the old one and can be accessed by
swapping the file in the URL with "System_6_0_4_Ultra_SE_v1.zip".
Maybe the next update will include new rSounds? ;-)
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #384071 is a reply to message #384030] |
Tue, 21 May 2019 12:55 |
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Originally posted by: fatdog projects
> I've made some updates:
>
> Renamed the volume to “System” so it can make use of the customised
> icon. It’s nice to have a difference between the boot volume and others
> (which can be customised using the icon set and an icon editor to
> assign to other volumes).
>
> Improvements made to Smallville.8 font: Made a character spacing
> adjustment to the open and closed Apple characters, so now (going by
> how it appears in the Hermes NDA) there is now a space between the
> closed Apple and the next character in pull down menus showing keyboard
> shortcuts. Also added ©, ® and ™, as well as opening and closing smart
> quotes. Basically, almost everything is now in place except
> multi-language support i.e. including characters with accents, umlauts,
> etc. I’ve ended up using Font Factory v2.0 as I better understand IIGS
> fonts now – swapping between open windows of fonts is a lot easier than
> using Beagle Brother GS Font Editor.
>
> Installed Tool 221 and 222 for NinjaTracker and NinjaTracker Plus.
>
> Also cleaned up some extraneous system extensions, which should make
> boot-up a bit quicker and save a bit of memory. But added DeskPlay and
> Sound-It so you can now open any music sequence or sound effect in the
> Finder.
>
> Now, there is something a little weird going on – I was experiencing
> some desktop glitches – I suspect moving the load order of system
> extensions might fix this, so I’ll just have to play around with
> sorting Desk.Accs, System.Setup and CDev folders a little later when I
> have more time. I was hoping adding the simple NDA Display Clipboard
> would fix it, but it seems to be having problems of its own and is
> greyed out – I don’t know why.
>
> The previous version is still available under the same link previously
> given (a backup has been made of the old one and can be accessed by
> swapping the file in the URL with "System_6_0_4_Ultra_SE_v1.zip".
>
> Maybe the next update will include new rSounds? ;-)
Awesome, thank you. I am _really_ loving the MouseDesk font as a straight replacement for Shaston! It is so much more efficient space-wise, I hope you can find time to work on it. I agree FontFactoryGS is probably the best tool. I wonder if it's possible to do the work on Win/OSX and find a way to import to GSOS. I looked for a utility to import TT fonts, but it only works with old style Sys7 Mac era TT fonts (needs the resource fork). I don't think there is a way to convert images to bitmap fonts either. Ah well, FontFactory is probably the best tool for the job. If you find yourself putting the font work down, let me know and I'll pick up where you left off.
One thing on Sound-It: it hijack's finder's use of rSound playback. with 6.0.4, Finder now releases the cpu on rSound playback to do other things. Sound-It uses the old-style playback where the cpu is held until the sound finishes. I suggest disabling auto-playback from the Sound-It NDA by default if it is going to be included! It CAN handle AIFF and WAV files (I believe), so it absolutely has its uses.
Feel free to rename the icons or anything else at your leasure. On my disk I set up an Apps/ folder in the root, then have one level of Music/Prod/Util etc folders (similar to the setup of your site). That's what some of the folder icons are for :)
Re: conflict issues. there are probably too many icons, or Sys.Icons hasn't been tested enough on my side, or maybe the Finder doesn't like having its resource fork modified at all. Most testing on my side seemed solid with the mix of extensions I have going, but I have run into stuff like unknown filetypes ($00) having missing icons, or windows with unknown files having totally garbled colors and icons. when i see this happen, GSOS becomes completely unstable and eventually crashes with all sorts of weird behavior in-between.
from what i read years ago, the icon cache that the Finder uses can get corrupted (at least on Sys 5). It was suggested to add an icon for unknown files to all icon files created (either first or last, can't remember). That didn't work for me. I thought maybe the hidden resource "Desktop" files were an issue. Deleting them and rebuilding from scracth always seemed to make my issues go away. Hope this helps, I will get my full System disk to you soon so we can combine our efforts!
I am also looking to free up some more time to work on this. Hopefully tonight. The pattern blending project burnt me out a little so I decided to work on the music some more. There are 8 new songs since last post, started Vol 5, and threw in an old track from Vol 1. new art for everything new, mostly beats, please take a listen if anybody has time!
vol 5 - boobafett1.ntp wilco1.ntp perminator1.ntp temp83.ntp temp78.ntp
vol 4 - spaceninja1.ntp thelocals1.ntp
vol 1 - organsims1.ntp
https://soundcloud.com/fatdogprojects/tracks
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #384100 is a reply to message #384082] |
Wed, 22 May 2019 02:13 |
Antoine Vignau
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Thanks for your message and proposal!
Just tell me the features you'd like to see and please make 2mg files instead of po images, that will be a time saver for me ;-)
NTPPlayer opens and plays one file at a time only, it does not handle the batch feature of the tool set. It stops playing music when you quit the finder, and it has no icon ;-)
Antoine
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #384132 is a reply to message #384100] |
Thu, 23 May 2019 03:02 |
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Originally posted by: fatdog projects
On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 2:13:14 AM UTC-4, Antoine Vignau wrote:
> Thanks for your message and proposal!
>
> Just tell me the features you'd like to see and please make 2mg files instead of po images, that will be a time saver for me ;-)
>
> NTPPlayer opens and plays one file at a time only, it does not handle the batch feature of the tool set. It stops playing music when you quit the finder, and it has no icon ;-)
>
> Antoine
Ok! If you want icons i got icons :D Anything you have in mind, just give me the word. 320/640 icons, buttons, visualizer, any old BrutalDeluxe stuff, anything at all. Alex Lee is pretty good at that stuff too I heard
2mg will be no problem going forward too, my next release coming soon will be a 16 mb image with all of the songs in 5 folders, about 80 tunes. each folder will have its own menu.txt for the NTP demo, my work around for playlists was to move each "volume" (with its menu.txt) back and forth from /DemoStuff. Do you want to include playlist capabilities?
features, what you have done so far is already enough! but if you want to go crazy with it, how about something like this? https://imgur.com/a/UtW9Jrx
i think something similar would be the most useful application of your extension! to keep it playing nice with other games etc, maybe force the extension to STOP/disable when it encounters any Ensoniq usage, until return to Finder?
I can also offer some music conversion, so you can include enhanced versions of your favorite old Amiga tunes with your release! if you have anything in mind, please share and I will whip something up. I have some new tricks for getting 150K mods down to 64K sample size :)
RE: your video, thank you very much. that's the first time i've heard it from real wood! much better than i was expecting.
What does your sound setup from the GS look like? Was that just the internal speaker?
Also, what's your volume setting in the Control Panel? (The NTP code uses that setting i believe). I remember my old GS getting a little distorty on anything above half way (and similarly through emulation curently). Does it sound like that at default volume?
Antoine you are my new favorite person if that is ok with you
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #384136 is a reply to message #383707] |
Thu, 23 May 2019 10:26 |
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Originally posted by: Frank M.
I tried out the "SE" disk image last night. One thing I noticed is that the custom icons don't show the color labels anymore? I think Alex had added that to show if certain games/applications weren't working?
The music stuff seems to run great.
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #384139 is a reply to message #384132] |
Thu, 23 May 2019 10:44 |
Antoine Vignau
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On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 9:02:54 AM UTC+2, fatdog projects wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 2:13:14 AM UTC-4, Antoine Vignau wrote:
>> Thanks for your message and proposal!
>>
>> Just tell me the features you'd like to see and please make 2mg files instead of po images, that will be a time saver for me ;-)
>>
>> NTPPlayer opens and plays one file at a time only, it does not handle the batch feature of the tool set. It stops playing music when you quit the finder, and it has no icon ;-)
>>
>> Antoine
>
> Ok! If you want icons i got icons :D Anything you have in mind, just give me the word. 320/640 icons, buttons, visualizer, any old BrutalDeluxe stuff, anything at all. Alex Lee is pretty good at that stuff too I heard
I also asked Ninjaforce for a NFC icon.
>
> 2mg will be no problem going forward too, my next release coming soon will be a 16 mb image with all of the songs in 5 folders, about 80 tunes. each folder will have its own menu.txt for the NTP demo, my work around for playlists was to move each "volume" (with its menu.txt) back and forth from /DemoStuff. Do you want to include playlist capabilities?
I need to clean the code, test on a real machine, write the documentation, the installer. And then, I'll share the beast with you. I do not plan on adding playlist capabilities (though the tool is capable of handling such a feature)
>
> features, what you have done so far is already enough! but if you want to go crazy with it, how about something like this? https://imgur.com/a/UtW9Jrx
That is a neat idea. For a v2 :-)
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> i think something similar would be the most useful application of your extension! to keep it playing nice with other games etc, maybe force the extension to STOP/disable when it encounters any Ensoniq usage, until return to Finder?
That is what I have in mind. Have an option to keep playing when an app is launched. Probably for a v2 as well.
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> I can also offer some music conversion, so you can include enhanced versions of your favorite old Amiga tunes with your release! if you have anything in mind, please share and I will whip something up. I have some new tricks for getting 150K mods down to 64K sample size :)
Cool!
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> RE: your video, thank you very much. that's the first time i've heard it from real wood! much better than i was expecting.
It was not playing from real wood. It was recording from Sweet16.
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> What does your sound setup from the GS look like? Was that just the internal speaker?
That is the internal speakers of my iMac ;-)
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> Also, what's your volume setting in the Control Panel? (The NTP code uses that setting i believe). I remember my old GS getting a little distorty on anything above half way (and similarly through emulation curently). Does it sound like that at default volume?
On all my IIgs machines, the sound is set to the default volume that is used by the NinjaTrackerPlus toolset.
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> Antoine you are my new favorite person if that is ok with you
That is kind of you :-)
Antoine
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #384154 is a reply to message #384147] |
Thu, 23 May 2019 23:51 |
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Originally posted by: fatdog projects
On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 4:44:57 PM UTC-4, Antoine Vignau wrote:
> I put a beta version @ http://www.brutaldeluxe.fr/products/apple2gs/ntp/
> It seems yesterday's version behaves better than today's one :-(
> Antoine
Congrats!
I have bad news though. On my 6.0.4 install, nothing happens when I open a file. Probably a conflict with something on my end, I will try to troubleshoot. I did notice that having your NTPPlayer in FinderExtras or SystemSetup also breaks rSound playback in Finder (through double-click or control panel play). No sounds play at all in GSPlus 0.14 with my System disk anyway :(
Removing the NTPPlayer init and rebooting restores rSound playback. Hope this helps!
ps - "requirements: 1K available memory," are you trying to show off, Antoine? :D
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #384157 is a reply to message #384154] |
Fri, 24 May 2019 01:40 |
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Originally posted by: fatdog projects
Frank, sorry I missed your q. THANK YOU. That is certainly something I don't want to break. I forgot to re-enable coloring for the large folder. Sorry for the inconvenience. As a temp fix you can view by small icons and retain the folder coloring. If you hold the option key while clicking on the Special menu in Finder, the "Clean up" menu item changes to "Clean up by name" which will auto sort everything in the folder :)
btw - the colors are slightly off now because of the checkered blue default icon, and this might be a problem going forward with my design. might have to rethink the color scheme or pattern usage a bit. I will check other icons for coloring issues but I want to disallow it for the custom folders like System and Icons etc
Also, Thanks for testing on your machine, great news. Did you use an emu?
Antoine,
no luck when disabling all other FExts/Inits/NDAs/CPLs in 6.0.4 in GSPlus. I think it's the changes from 6.0.1 to 6.0.4, which complicates. I do not know how popular 6.0.4 is with GS users. I will test your extension on 6.0.1
I so wish I could give more relevant info to you
Here are some notes pulled from here: http://a2central.com/7396/the-source-is-strong-with-this-one -system-6-0-4/
Finder
When opening resource sound files with only a single rSound and no application is assigned to that file type, the Finder sends a finderSaysOpenFailed event. This lets the Sound CDEV play the sound (if no other system extension handles it first). Most sound files in the System:Sound folder can be played by the Finder.
Thank you for being you
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #384159 is a reply to message #384157] |
Fri, 24 May 2019 03:15 |
Antoine Vignau
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That is why it is beta software ;-)
Could you share your System 6.0.4 disk image, please? There is no reason why it should not work. NTP is type $D5/0008 whereas sound files are $D8/000x.
Your idea of the different error handling for files in the Finder is interesting. But I do not use 6.0.4, therefore getting your image would help.
Thanks,
Antoine
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #384160 is a reply to message #384159] |
Fri, 24 May 2019 04:12 |
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Originally posted by: fatdog projects
On Friday, May 24, 2019 at 3:15:53 AM UTC-4, Antoine Vignau wrote:
> That is why it is beta software ;-)
> Could you share your System 6.0.4 disk image, please? There is no reason why it should not work. NTP is type $D5/0008 whereas sound files are $D8/000x.
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> Your idea of the different error handling for files in the Finder is interesting. But I do not use 6.0.4, therefore getting your image would help.
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> Thanks,
> Antoine
I removed some GS+ magazine software I had installed, but otherwise everything is as-is. SysFontNDA is disabled (bug - it breaks the gs/os program installer).
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ZrpmFXLo24jF_Vup5IWFo4_QOY KltKrl
system.6.0.4_fd.2mg 32 MB (ProDOS name "System")
nttplayer beta is installed to FinderExtras through installer. Sound Control Panel and rSound from finder are broken also :(
If you disable or remove ntpplayer, rSound functionality returns (test double click with 6.0.4!)
Good luck Sir Vignau
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #384165 is a reply to message #384157] |
Fri, 24 May 2019 11:32 |
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Originally posted by: Frank M.
real ROM3 with CFFA3000 :)
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On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 10:40:56 PM UTC-7, fatdog projects wrote:
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> Also, Thanks for testing on your machine, great news. Did you use an emu?
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #384166 is a reply to message #384165] |
Fri, 24 May 2019 14:02 |
Antoine Vignau
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Hi there,
I had a bad branch in my code which would accept all Finder calls if not a finderSaysBeforeOpen, ahem...
But... if you want your System image to play NTP songs, you should have Tool222 installed ;-)
That makes me believe that I will put NTPPlayer on the Tool222 install disk and copy the toolset with the player.
That will ease users' life.
Antoine
ps. why is the default quit button set to Restart on 6.0.4?
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #384167 is a reply to message #384132] |
Fri, 24 May 2019 14:22 |
Antoine Vignau
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Interesting findings:
- double-click a rsound will generate an unclaimed sound interrupt when a ntp song is playing, that is not normal
- changing the sound from the Sound control panel runs fine (but the player will stop, which is normal)
I'll check code differences... it is in the Sound cdev, patching the Sound toolset. We have a conflict, Houston! Starting the Sound toolset is an option, I'll study that.
Antoine
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #384171 is a reply to message #384168] |
Sat, 25 May 2019 00:20 |
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Originally posted by: fatdog projects
On Friday, May 24, 2019 at 4:11:48 PM UTC-4, Antoine Vignau wrote:
> v1.0b2 is now available @ http://www.brutaldeluxe.fr/products/apple2gs/ntp/
> It solves the bad branch issue, nothing more.
> That should let you play songs from the Finder now ;-)
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> Antoine
It works! You have made me so incredibly happy Antoine! Thank you so very much, and you have made quick work of it too
It sounds _exactly_ like NTP demo on my machine. Opening new songs at any time works flawlessly. Songs play 1x to end like they should.
I tried to duplicate the rSound interrupt issue, and got the same result as you on the first rSound i double clicked. But on repeated attempts, the song successfully stopped and the rSound played correctly. Weird. Now, after a new instance of GSPlus, the interrupt is triggering on every rSound double clicked.
Perhaps Finder uses a specific channel for rSound playback? If the .ntp file is currently using that channel, it would make sense for the interrupt error. This is just a guess.
I have also seen the Sound Interrupt issue with Other Things in 6.0.4. I cannot recall exactly where, sorry. But I'm sure it had to do with long aTune songs and a music NDA of some sort
re: Finder shut down menu: there is a program on my System image in Apps/Utility/ called Geeker. It shouldn't be there, it's from GS+. You can toggle 3 minor Finder tweaks with it (Default folder color, default Shutdown toggle placement, and the character used for a comma "," I do not know why).
How should I put the thank you on the "album" cover art?
Thanks to: (Brutal Deluxe logo)
Featuring tech by Ser Vignau
Music software by: AV GURU
It can be your name, BD logo, or whatever you think is tasteful!
I am also going to ask Jesse the same
And Alex! I would like to put the URL to your site on the album art as well, is that ok with you? A logo in mind maybe?
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #384172 is a reply to message #384166] |
Sat, 25 May 2019 00:24 |
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Originally posted by: fatdog projects
On Friday, May 24, 2019 at 2:02:41 PM UTC-4, Antoine Vignau wrote:
> But... if you want your System image to play NTP songs, you should have Tool222 installed ;-)
Oh that thing was important?
(lol I'm sorry AV, you have the patience of a saint)
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| Re: New music for IIGS [message #384173 is a reply to message #384172] |
Sat, 25 May 2019 01:05 |
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Originally posted by: fatdog projects
1. Looped instruments play infinitely after song end, until another sound is played
2. more of a feature :) instead of stopping abruptly at song end, instruments finish the full sample playback resulting in a few extra seconds of sound which is kinda cool!
all other testing is going swell.
do you know how the songs that come with NTPdemo achieved their loudness? I think my mastering process needs improvement, my songs only seem half as loud
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