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Re: 1965 Remington Rand tracking your kid [message #383263 is a reply to message #383250] Sat, 20 April 2019 17:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 11:25:38 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:

>
>>> I suspect that Hindi or whatever the name of the language spoken in
>>> India is could be beneficial just so you can explain to the help desk
>>> what's wrong with the computer that your employer provided you.
>
> People in India (presumably) at help or customer service desks
> have no trouble with the language.
>
> The problem is that they are locked into their computer screen
> with canned answers. They aren't really employees of the business
> and as such can't really supply any intelligence, only what the
> screen tells them to say.
>
> Further, companies now do everything they can to block access to
> a human. They expect you to speak your problem to a computer,
> which of course doesn't understand. It's a joke on TV, but not
> in real life. All the time I hear my co-workers shouting into
> the phone at the bank's computer and getting nowhere.

Hancock, I am not talking about hypothetical dealings with some
software vendor. I am talking about real dealings with real people
whose salaries are paid by the same company that pays mine. And there
is no blockage of access to a human.
Re: 1965 Remington Rand tracking your kid [message #383265 is a reply to message #383263] Sat, 20 April 2019 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 11:25:38 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>>
>>>> I suspect that Hindi or whatever the name of the language spoken in
>>>> India is could be beneficial just so you can explain to the help desk
>>>> what's wrong with the computer that your employer provided you.
>>
>> People in India (presumably) at help or customer service desks
>> have no trouble with the language.
>>
>> The problem is that they are locked into their computer screen
>> with canned answers. They aren't really employees of the business
>> and as such can't really supply any intelligence, only what the
>> screen tells them to say.
>>
>> Further, companies now do everything they can to block access to
>> a human. They expect you to speak your problem to a computer,
>> which of course doesn't understand. It's a joke on TV, but not
>> in real life. All the time I hear my co-workers shouting into
>> the phone at the bank's computer and getting nowhere.
>
> Hancock, I am not talking about hypothetical dealings with some
> software vendor. I am talking about real dealings with real people
> whose salaries are paid by the same company that pays mine. And there
> is no blockage of access to a human.
>

Maybe not for _you_, but people on the outside often have real
difficulties. I can think of more than one company that has the “press 1
for ...” that never seems to have a choice for what I want. I try 0 and 9,
not part of the menu system but sometimes getting me a human being.
Otherwise I pick some unrelated thing that seems that it might possible get
me to a person, who can sometimes transfer me where I want.

--
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Re: 1965 Remington Rand tracking your kid [message #383269 is a reply to message #383265] Sat, 20 April 2019 19:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 14:59:01 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 11:25:38 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> > I suspect that Hindi or whatever the name of the language spoken in
>>>> > India is could be beneficial just so you can explain to the help desk
>>>> > what's wrong with the computer that your employer provided you.
>>>
>>> People in India (presumably) at help or customer service desks
>>> have no trouble with the language.
>>>
>>> The problem is that they are locked into their computer screen
>>> with canned answers. They aren't really employees of the business
>>> and as such can't really supply any intelligence, only what the
>>> screen tells them to say.
>>>
>>> Further, companies now do everything they can to block access to
>>> a human. They expect you to speak your problem to a computer,
>>> which of course doesn't understand. It's a joke on TV, but not
>>> in real life. All the time I hear my co-workers shouting into
>>> the phone at the bank's computer and getting nowhere.
>>
>> Hancock, I am not talking about hypothetical dealings with some
>> software vendor. I am talking about real dealings with real people
>> whose salaries are paid by the same company that pays mine. And there
>> is no blockage of access to a human.
>>
>
> Maybe not for _you_, but people on the outside often have real
> difficulties. I can think of more than one company that has the “press 1
> for ...” that never seems to have a choice for what I want. I try 0 and 9,
> not part of the menu system but sometimes getting me a human being.
> Otherwise I pick some unrelated thing that seems that it might possible get
> me to a person, who can sometimes transfer me where I want.

You're assuming that our systems are accessible "on the outside". They
aren't.
Re: 1965 Remington Rand tracking your kid [message #383270 is a reply to message #383269] Sat, 20 April 2019 19:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 14:59:01 -0700, Peter Flass
> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 11:25:38 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> I suspect that Hindi or whatever the name of the language spoken in
>>>> >> India is could be beneficial just so you can explain to the help desk
>>>> >> what's wrong with the computer that your employer provided you.
>>>>
>>>> People in India (presumably) at help or customer service desks
>>>> have no trouble with the language.
>>>>
>>>> The problem is that they are locked into their computer screen
>>>> with canned answers. They aren't really employees of the business
>>>> and as such can't really supply any intelligence, only what the
>>>> screen tells them to say.
>>>>
>>>> Further, companies now do everything they can to block access to
>>>> a human. They expect you to speak your problem to a computer,
>>>> which of course doesn't understand. It's a joke on TV, but not
>>>> in real life. All the time I hear my co-workers shouting into
>>>> the phone at the bank's computer and getting nowhere.
>>>
>>> Hancock, I am not talking about hypothetical dealings with some
>>> software vendor. I am talking about real dealings with real people
>>> whose salaries are paid by the same company that pays mine. And there
>>> is no blockage of access to a human.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe not for _you_, but people on the outside often have real
>> difficulties. I can think of more than one company that has the “press 1
>> for ...” that never seems to have a choice for what I want. I try 0 and 9,
>> not part of the menu system but sometimes getting me a human being.
>> Otherwise I pick some unrelated thing that seems that it might possible get
>> me to a person, who can sometimes transfer me where I want.
>
> You're assuming that our systems are accessible "on the outside". They
> aren't.
>

Exactly, your experience is far from typical. In the old days when I called
I’d get an operator who could usually get me where I needed to be in
seconds, unless she had to find out the correct person. Now I spend minutes
lost in stupid menus complete with stupid messages that don’t apply to me.

--
Pete
Re: 1965 Remington Rand tracking your kid [message #383272 is a reply to message #383270] Sat, 20 April 2019 22:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 16:31:01 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 14:59:01 -0700, Peter Flass
>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 11:25:38 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >>> I suspect that Hindi or whatever the name of the language spoken in
>>>> >>> India is could be beneficial just so you can explain to the help desk
>>>> >>> what's wrong with the computer that your employer provided you.
>>>> >
>>>> > People in India (presumably) at help or customer service desks
>>>> > have no trouble with the language.
>>>> >
>>>> > The problem is that they are locked into their computer screen
>>>> > with canned answers. They aren't really employees of the business
>>>> > and as such can't really supply any intelligence, only what the
>>>> > screen tells them to say.
>>>> >
>>>> > Further, companies now do everything they can to block access to
>>>> > a human. They expect you to speak your problem to a computer,
>>>> > which of course doesn't understand. It's a joke on TV, but not
>>>> > in real life. All the time I hear my co-workers shouting into
>>>> > the phone at the bank's computer and getting nowhere.
>>>>
>>>> Hancock, I am not talking about hypothetical dealings with some
>>>> software vendor. I am talking about real dealings with real people
>>>> whose salaries are paid by the same company that pays mine. And there
>>>> is no blockage of access to a human.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe not for _you_, but people on the outside often have real
>>> difficulties. I can think of more than one company that has the ?press 1
>>> for ...? that never seems to have a choice for what I want. I try 0 and 9,
>>> not part of the menu system but sometimes getting me a human being.
>>> Otherwise I pick some unrelated thing that seems that it might possible get
>>> me to a person, who can sometimes transfer me where I want.
>>
>> You're assuming that our systems are accessible "on the outside". They
>> aren't.
>>
>
> Exactly, your experience is far from typical. In the old days when I called
> I’d get an operator who could usually get me where I needed to be in
> seconds, unless she had to find out the correct person. Now I spend minutes
> lost in stupid menus complete with stupid messages that don’t apply to me.

What, I'm complaining that I can't make myself understood by the help
desk and "my experience is not typical"?
Re: 1965 Remington Rand tracking your kid [message #383273 is a reply to message #383223] Sat, 20 April 2019 22:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 00:32:50 -0400, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

> If the national language in India is English, why do so many of them
> speak it so poorly?

They speak Indian English quite well. English is following the
example of Latin, and breaking up into mutually-incomprehensible
dialects.

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Re: 1965 Remington Rand tracking your kid [message #383277 is a reply to message #383273] Sun, 21 April 2019 07:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: JimP

On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 22:33:35 -0400, Joy Beeson
<jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 00:32:50 -0400, J. Clarke
> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If the national language in India is English, why do so many of them
>> speak it so poorly?
>
> They speak Indian English quite well. English is following the
> example of Latin, and breaking up into mutually-incomprehensible
> dialects.

They pronounce British English emphasis on the same syllables as their
first language. So we may expect the emphasized syllable to be the
second one, they emphasis the first or third one.

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Re: 1965 Remington Rand tracking your kid [message #383278 is a reply to message #383277] Sun, 21 April 2019 07:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer

On 21/04/2019 12:38, JimP wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 22:33:35 -0400, Joy Beeson
> <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 00:32:50 -0400, J. Clarke
>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If the national language in India is English, why do so many of them
>>> speak it so poorly?
>>
>> They speak Indian English quite well. English is following the
>> example of Latin, and breaking up into mutually-incomprehensible
>> dialects.
>
> They pronounce British English emphasis on the same syllables as their
> first language. So we may expect the emphasized syllable to be the
> second one, they emphasis the first or third one.
>

Always on the lookout for those from the Land of my Fathers, it
is surprising as to how close to the Welsh accent is the Indian's
English pronunciation.
Re: 1965 Remington Rand tracking your kid [message #383287 is a reply to message #383046] Sun, 21 April 2019 20:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: rnetzlof

"Always on the lookout for those from the Land of my Fathers, it
is surprising as to how close to the Welsh accent is the Indian's
English pronunciation."

Hm!! Somewhere in Kipling's writings there is a comment to the effect that one of the characters spoke "Bombay Welsh". I had taken that as Kipling waxing snarky, but in view of your comment, perhaps he was simply relating a fact.
Re: 1965 Remington Rand tracking your kid [message #383289 is a reply to message #383234] Mon, 22 April 2019 02:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <0c470319-b0a4-42eb-a353-0118d9d1a0c3@googlegroups.com>,
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 7:24:26 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote:

> Really, the correct approach would be for India to recognize all the
> regional languages as official, so that speakers of Punjabi or Malayalam
> would have full access to all educational services, including those at the
> post-secondary level, in their own language. Those few who wish to engage
> in activities that require a second language can voluntarily learn one.

in the 1960s and 1970s that was the approach
children in schools would learn
a)hindi
b)the state language if different from hindi
c)english

so, for example, a child in bombay would learn hindi, marathi and
english

additionally, in high school, there was usually a choice of yet another
language. These might lead to oddballs, like french and sanskrit as choices
in high school depending on instructor availability.

as far as the medium of instruction went there were schools that used
hindi, or the state language or english.

at college level the medium was usually english.

sidd
Re: 1965 Remington Rand tracking your kid [message #383290 is a reply to message #383287] Mon, 22 April 2019 02:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <3e0d973b-c058-4602-a84b-d2cd7c3bc82c@googlegroups.com>,
<rnetzlof@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hm!! Somewhere in Kipling's writings there is a comment to the effect
> that one of the characters spoke "Bombay Welsh". I had taken that as
> Kipling waxing snarky, but in view of your comment, perhaps he was
> simply relating a fact.


exactly. i have spent much time with those of the welsh persuation, and
i have am always taken aback by indian english rhythm, emphasis and
intonation,

sidd
Re: 1965 Remington Rand tracking your kid [message #383294 is a reply to message #383220] Mon, 22 April 2019 07:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2019-04-20, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2019 16:43:32 -0700, Peter Flass
> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 1:43:24 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 4:19:06 PM UTC-6, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Many colleges required some form of calculus, sometimes the real
>>>> > industrial strength version, sometimes a watered down version
>>>> > for all students. Likewise, many required Fortran for all
>>>> > students. Both mandates were stupid.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, I agree.
>>>>
>>>> But in some countries, or, in Canada, in some provinces (but not others), it's
>>>> fairly common for colleges to have what I think is an equally stupid
>>>> requirement: requiring all students to take a second language.
>>>
>>> The usefulness of a foreign language is debatable. Some argue
>>> it's a waste of time. But others argue (as some suggest
>>> for calculus), that it inspires thinking, helps with English,
>>> and is the mark of an educated person.
>>>
>>> Personally, I'm not sure I agree with that. Just because I
>>> can understand some French phrases mentioned on TV I don't
>>> think means all that much.
>>>
>>> However: we are living in a smaller and smaller integrated
>>> global world, much more so than when most of got out of school.
>>> I can't help but wonder if knowing a foreign language today
>>> will have practical benefits on the job...
>>>
>>> 1) Spanish--there are increasing numbers of Spanish speakers
>>> in the U.S. Knowing their language may mean reaching more
>>> customers and thus more revenue.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe in the short term. Studies show that by the second generation most
>> speak mainly English.
>>
>>> 2) Asian languages--we do an enormous amount of trade with China
>>> and other Pacific countries. It may be useful, even a necessity,
>>> to know Chinese, Japanese, Korean, or some other language.
>>
>> Possibly more likely.
>
> I suspect that Hindi or whatever the name of the language spoken in
> India is could be beneficial just so you can explain to the help desk
> what's wrong with the computer that your employer provided you.

Assuming that the person on the help deskspeaks Hindi. Not Gudgerati,
Re: 1965 Remington Rand tracking your kid [message #383295 is a reply to message #383233] Mon, 22 April 2019 07:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2019-04-20, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 03:53:53 -0000 (UTC), John Levine
>> <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> For entertainment reasons I would learn Japanese, but the average
>> American does not have to deal with the Chinese on a daily basis. Many
>> of us do have to deal with people in India on a daily basis.
>>
>
>
>

The first official language of the republic is IRISH, Gaelic, spoken
well by bout 5% of the people. used widely by the civil service to
irritate people, it was discovered renently that one group of civil
servents was composing in English, using Googleto trranslate to Gaelic,

Mise, Lemas, whatever the Gaeic for 'Greymaus' is
Re: 1965 Remington Rand tracking your kid [message #383296 is a reply to message #383287] Mon, 22 April 2019 10:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2019-04-22, rnetzlof@gmail.com <rnetzlof@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Always on the lookout for those from the Land of my Fathers, it
> is surprising as to how close to the Welsh accent is the Indian's
> English pronunciation."
>
> Hm!! Somewhere in Kipling's writings there is a comment to the effect that one of the characters spoke
> "Bombay Welsh". I had taken that as Kipling waxing snarky, but in view of your comment, perhaps he was
> simply relating a facahre

There are a lot of Welsh and Hindi words very close, 'bhrahar' ? 'Brother'
,and nobody really know why,unless you go back to the Nazi's idiotic ideas

Last idea I have read is the language diffused from the Lithuania Area
Re: 1965 Remington Rand tracking your kid [message #383301 is a reply to message #383296] Mon, 22 April 2019 15:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Monday, April 22, 2019 at 8:48:26 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:

> There are a lot of Welsh and Hindi words very close, 'bhrahar' ? 'Brother'
> ,and nobody really know why,unless you go back to the Nazi's idiotic ideas

> Last idea I have read is the language diffused from the Lithuania Area

One doesn't need to go to the Nazis to know that Sanskrit, like Greek, Armenian,
Lithuanian, Russian, French and English are all Indo-European languages.
Currently it is thought that the Indo-European languages had their origin in the
Baltic, because of the words for foods that are shared, and aren't. One of the
oldest known Indo-European languaes is Hittite.

John Savard
Re: 1965 Remington Rand tracking your kid [message #383302 is a reply to message #383301] Mon, 22 April 2019 15:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer

On 22/04/2019 20:14, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Monday, April 22, 2019 at 8:48:26 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>
>> There are a lot of Welsh and Hindi words very close, 'bhrahar' ? 'Brother'
>> ,and nobody really know why,unless you go back to the Nazi's idiotic ideas
>
>> Last idea I have read is the language diffused from the Lithuania Area
>
> One doesn't need to go to the Nazis to know that Sanskrit, like Greek, Armenian,
> Lithuanian, Russian, French and English are all Indo-European languages.
> Currently it is thought that the Indo-European languages had their origin in the
> Baltic, because of the words for foods that are shared, and aren't. One of the
> oldest known Indo-European languaes is Hittite.
>
> John Savard
>

That's intriguing because the Baltic is well to the north of the
diaspora of humanity from the rift valley of Ethiopia.

AIUI, one language to the north of the Baltic, quite unconnected
to any of its neighbours, is Finnish
Re: 1965 Remington Rand tracking your kid [message #383303 is a reply to message #383302] Mon, 22 April 2019 16:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2019-04-22, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 22/04/2019 20:14, Quadibloc wrote:
>>
>> John Savard
>>
>
> That's intriguing because the Baltic is well to the north of the
> diaspora of humanity from the rift valley of Ethiopia.
>
> AIUI, one language to the north of the Baltic, quite unconnected
> to any of its neighbours, is Finnish

actually, Quite close to Estonian. I was once told that curses
in both languages are mutally understood
>
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Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer <headstone255@yahoo.com> writes:

> On 22/04/2019 20:14, Quadibloc wrote:
>
>> On Monday, April 22, 2019 at 8:48:26 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>>
>>> There are a lot of Welsh and Hindi words very close, 'bhrahar' ?
>>> 'Brother' ,and nobody really know why,unless you go back to the
>>> Nazi's idiotic ideas
>>
>>> Last idea I have read is the language diffused from the Lithuania
>>> Area
>>
>> One doesn't need to go to the Nazis to know that Sanskrit, like
>> Greek, Armenian, Lithuanian, Russian, French and English are all
>> Indo-European languages. Currently it is thought that the
>> Indo-European languages had their origin in the Baltic, because of
>> the words for foods that are shared, and aren't. One of the oldest
>> known Indo-European languaes is Hittite.
>
> That's intriguing because the Baltic is well to the north of the
> diaspora of humanity from the rift valley of Ethiopia.
>
> AIUI, one language to the north of the Baltic, quite unconnected
> to any of its neighbours, is Finnish

A friend's father is of Estonian extraction and brought the term
"Finno-Ugric" to my attention. Wikipedia says Hungarian, Finnish, and
Estonian are Finno-Ugric languages, related to each other.

Further details and other relationships quickly become a mare's nest of
linguistic scholarship and data interpretation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Ugric_languages

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Re: 1965 Remington Rand tracking your kid [message #383305 is a reply to message #383296] Mon, 22 April 2019 16:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: JimP

On 22 Apr 2019 14:48:24 GMT, maus <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
> On 2019-04-22, rnetzlof@gmail.com <rnetzlof@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Always on the lookout for those from the Land of my Fathers, it
>> is surprising as to how close to the Welsh accent is the Indian's
>> English pronunciation."
>>
>> Hm!! Somewhere in Kipling's writings there is a comment to the effect that one of the characters spoke
>> "Bombay Welsh". I had taken that as Kipling waxing snarky, but in view of your comment, perhaps he was
>> simply relating a facahre
>
> There are a lot of Welsh and Hindi words very close, 'bhrahar' ? 'Brother'
> ,and nobody really know why,unless you go back to the Nazi's idiotic ideas
>
> Last idea I have read is the language diffused from the Lithuania Area

There are claimed similarities between Welsh and Mandan languages.

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Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 22/04/2019 20:14, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Monday, April 22, 2019 at 8:48:26 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>>
>>> There are a lot of Welsh and Hindi words very close, 'bhrahar' ? 'Brother'
>>> ,and nobody really know why,unless you go back to the Nazi's idiotic ideas
>>
>>> Last idea I have read is the language diffused from the Lithuania Area
>>
>> One doesn't need to go to the Nazis to know that Sanskrit, like Greek, Armenian,
>> Lithuanian, Russian, French and English are all Indo-European languages.
>> Currently it is thought that the Indo-European languages had their origin in the
>> Baltic, because of the words for foods that are shared, and aren't. One of the
>> oldest known Indo-European languaes is Hittite.
>>
>> John Savard
>>
>
> That's intriguing because the Baltic is well to the north of the
> diaspora of humanity from the rift valley of Ethiopia.
>
> AIUI, one language to the north of the Baltic, quite unconnected
> to any of its neighbours, is Finnish
>
>

Close neighbors, but I understand it is part of a language family that
stretches across the north of Eurasia.

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JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 22 Apr 2019 14:48:24 GMT, maus <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
>> On 2019-04-22, rnetzlof@gmail.com <rnetzlof@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Always on the lookout for those from the Land of my Fathers, it
>>> is surprising as to how close to the Welsh accent is the Indian's
>>> English pronunciation."
>>>
>>> Hm!! Somewhere in Kipling's writings there is a comment to the effect
>>> that one of the characters spoke
>>> "Bombay Welsh". I had taken that as Kipling waxing snarky, but in view
>>> of your comment, perhaps he was
>>> simply relating a facahre
>>
>> There are a lot of Welsh and Hindi words very close, 'bhrahar' ? 'Brother'
>> ,and nobody really know why,unless you go back to the Nazi's idiotic ideas
>>
>> Last idea I have read is the language diffused from the Lithuania Area
>
> There are claimed similarities between Welsh and Mandan languages.

sounds related to the idea that the Welsh settled North America before
Columbus. I expect genetics is disproving this.

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Re: 1965 Remington Rand tracking your kid [message #383319 is a reply to message #383313] Tue, 23 April 2019 08:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: JimP

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 14:40:19 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 22 Apr 2019 14:48:24 GMT, maus <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2019-04-22, rnetzlof@gmail.com <rnetzlof@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Always on the lookout for those from the Land of my Fathers, it
>>>> is surprising as to how close to the Welsh accent is the Indian's
>>>> English pronunciation."
>>>>
>>>> Hm!! Somewhere in Kipling's writings there is a comment to the effect
>>>> that one of the characters spoke
>>>> "Bombay Welsh". I had taken that as Kipling waxing snarky, but in view
>>>> of your comment, perhaps he was
>>>> simply relating a facahre
>>>
>>> There are a lot of Welsh and Hindi words very close, 'bhrahar' ? 'Brother'
>>> ,and nobody really know why,unless you go back to the Nazi's idiotic ideas
>>>
>>> Last idea I have read is the language diffused from the Lithuania Area
>>
>> There are claimed similarities between Welsh and Mandan languages.
>
> sounds related to the idea that the Welsh settled North America before
> Columbus. I expect genetics is disproving this.

It was one of the things, facial characteristics, that Lewis and Clark
were supposed to check on. If they were related to the Welsh
genetically, they still died out due to small pox.

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Re: 1965 Remington Rand tracking your kid [message #383491 is a reply to message #383164] Thu, 02 May 2019 06:00 Go to previous message
Andreas Eder is currently offline  Andreas Eder
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On Wed 17 Apr 2019 at 20:55, J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

> And I'm told that knowing two languages does something to the
> wiring in one's brain that makes a third one relatively easy.

Yes, especially when tey are from the same language family like italian
and portuguese.
But what really opened up a new view to kabguage for me was to learn a
totally different language like chinese.

'Andreas
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