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Andrew Swallow
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On 23/03/2019 06:03, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
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> Just because it's easier today doesn't mean that it couldn't
> (or didn't) happen 50 or even 100 years ago. Maybe back then
> people might have considered it sufficiently unlikely that it
> was worth the risk to behave indiscreetly in public. But if you
> were really concerned, you'd think twice about doing something
> even then. Cameras existed. Remember those old private eye
> stories?
So did curtains that twitch when you walked pass. Anything interesting
was passed on by gossip. Illicit sex was very interesting.
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382355 is a reply to message #382346] |
Sat, 23 March 2019 11:45 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 21:47:26 -0400, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:37:47 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
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>> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 5:48:47 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> That is not what is being proposed, what is being proposed is that the
>>> government look at what YOU put up with the intent that others see it.
>>
>> Someone should not be penalized for posting legitimate
>> stuff on a legitimate medium. If someone posts pictures
>> of their grandchildren--a thing grandparents happen to
>> enjoy doing--they shouldn't risk their health benefits.
>
> Construct a plausible scenario in which posting photos of
> grandchildren would risk one's health benefits.
Bureaucrats can and have said and do things that aren't plausible
reactions to reality.
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382356 is a reply to message #382353] |
Sat, 23 March 2019 11:47 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 07:12:24 +0000, Andrew Swallow
<am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 23/03/2019 06:03, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> {snip}
>
>> Just because it's easier today doesn't mean that it couldn't
>> (or didn't) happen 50 or even 100 years ago. Maybe back then
>> people might have considered it sufficiently unlikely that it
>> was worth the risk to behave indiscreetly in public. But if you
>> were really concerned, you'd think twice about doing something
>> even then. Cameras existed. Remember those old private eye
>> stories?
>
> So did curtains that twitch when you walked pass. Anything interesting
> was passed on by gossip. Illicit sex was very interesting.
There were town gossips in one town I lived in as a kid. If they
didn't see anything scandalous, they would make it up out of thin air.
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382357 is a reply to message #382355] |
Sat, 23 March 2019 12:25 |
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On 2019-03-23, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 21:47:26 -0400, J. Clarke
> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:37:47 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 5:48:47 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> That is not what is being proposed, what is being proposed is that the
>>>> government look at what YOU put up with the intent that others see it.
>>>
>>> Someone should not be penalized for posting legitimate
>>> stuff on a legitimate medium. If someone posts pictures
>>> of their grandchildren--a thing grandparents happen to
>>> enjoy doing--they shouldn't risk their health benefits.
>>
>> Construct a plausible scenario in which posting photos of
>> grandchildren would risk one's health benefits.
>
> Bureaucrats can and have said and do things that aren't plausible
> reactions to reality.
>
> --
> Jim
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Will rant for food.
You are taking the IPCC, right?
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382358 is a reply to message #382357] |
Sat, 23 March 2019 13:37 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On 23 Mar 2019 16:25:11 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
> On 2019-03-23, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 21:47:26 -0400, J. Clarke
>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:37:47 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 5:48:47 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > That is not what is being proposed, what is being proposed is that the
>>>> > government look at what YOU put up with the intent that others see it.
>>>>
>>>> Someone should not be penalized for posting legitimate
>>>> stuff on a legitimate medium. If someone posts pictures
>>>> of their grandchildren--a thing grandparents happen to
>>>> enjoy doing--they shouldn't risk their health benefits.
>>>
>>> Construct a plausible scenario in which posting photos of
>>> grandchildren would risk one's health benefits.
>>
>> Bureaucrats can and have said and do things that aren't plausible
>> reactions to reality.
>>
>> --
>> Jim
Your followup was blank.
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382359 is a reply to message #382357] |
Sat, 23 March 2019 14:13 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On 23 Mar 2019 16:25:11 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
> On 2019-03-23, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 21:47:26 -0400, J. Clarke
>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:37:47 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 5:48:47 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > That is not what is being proposed, what is being proposed is that the
>>>> > government look at what YOU put up with the intent that others see it.
>>>>
>>>> Someone should not be penalized for posting legitimate
>>>> stuff on a legitimate medium. If someone posts pictures
>>>> of their grandchildren--a thing grandparents happen to
>>>> enjoy doing--they shouldn't risk their health benefits.
>>>
>>> Construct a plausible scenario in which posting photos of
>>> grandchildren would risk one's health benefits.
>>
>> Bureaucrats can and have said and do things that aren't plausible
>> reactions to reality.
In that case, though, they can simply reject the application because
the person is breathing. I don't see where looking at Facebook is
going ot change anything if the bureaucrat is going to ignore
plausibility.
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382362 is a reply to message #382352] |
Sat, 23 March 2019 15:51 |
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On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 2:03:30 AM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2019-03-22, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 5:48:47 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> You're acting like people are forced to put stuff on Facebook against
>>> their will.
>>
>> The reality is that smartphones and social media are becoming such
>> a mainframe part of society that, yes, people are forced to use
>> them in order to function in society.
>
> FSVO "function". I get along quite well without them.
> Any society which requires them is one which I want no part of.
Well, reasonably speaking, someone just can't stay locked in their room.
The reality is that more and more organizations we need to live,
like doctors, government agencies, banks, insurance companies,
and even our friends, are on-line these days, and a person must
also be online to communicate with them.
Look, years ago, all businesses maintained local offices
where you could pay your bill or conduct other business
in person. Years ago you might have been paid in cash
and did all your business in cash, not even having a
bank account. (Buying a money order on rare occasions.)
That's all gone now. It's harder and harder to conduct
business the traditional way. Either the old ways
no longer exist at all (such as mandated credit card),
or are more expensive and extremely cumbersome. Trust
me, I've tried sticking with the old ways and it sucks.
Institutions really push modern methods now. Example--
A lot of things I used to buy in stores are simply no
longer available and I must buy via online or do without,
as an example.
Some govt agencies have closed their offices and one must
do business online, whether they want to or not.
There are more and more situations out there requiring
a smart phone and social media. Now it is mostly optional,
but soon that will change.
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382363 is a reply to message #382352] |
Sat, 23 March 2019 15:54 |
hancock4
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On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 2:03:30 AM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> FSVO "function". I get along quite well without them.
> Any society which requires them is one which I want no part of.
Example--pre-registration for hospital treatment. Yes, you
can do it over the phone or in person. But you're gonna wait
a long, long time and it is a grind. Doing it on-line is so
much easier and even more accurate.
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382364 is a reply to message #382346] |
Sat, 23 March 2019 15:32 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 21:47:26 -0400
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:37:47 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 5:48:47 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> That is not what is being proposed, what is being proposed is that the
>>> government look at what YOU put up with the intent that others see it.
>>
>> Someone should not be penalized for posting legitimate
>> stuff on a legitimate medium. If someone posts pictures
>> of their grandchildren--a thing grandparents happen to
>> enjoy doing--they shouldn't risk their health benefits.
>
> Construct a plausible scenario in which posting photos of
> grandchildren would risk one's health benefits.
Depending on what the grandchildren are doing it might risk *their*
benefits.
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382366 is a reply to message #382351] |
Sat, 23 March 2019 16:06 |
hancock4
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On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 2:03:30 AM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> The difference is that today computers exist in many places
>> where they once did not, likewise for cameras, and it's easy
>> to index and transfer data to and from anywhere by anyone.
>
> Just because it's easier today doesn't mean that it couldn't
> (or didn't) happen 50 or even 100 years ago. Maybe back then
> people might have considered it sufficiently unlikely that it
> was worth the risk to behave indiscreetly in public. But if you
> were really concerned, you'd think twice about doing something
> even then. Cameras existed. Remember those old private eye
> stories?
I must respectfully strongly disagree.
The technology today has made a HUGE difference.
Yes, they had cameras back then, but someone had to actually
take the picture using a flash. Today, cameras operate in
low light or at night ANYWHERE and can be unseen.
After a photograph was taken back then, options were limited.
Today--this is a big point--the photograph will be indexed and
seen by anyone anywhere.
As mentioned, the NYT has reported on incidents where someone
INNOCENT was ARRESTED because the cops had a picture of the
person, or someone who looked like the person, or some computer
reference.
The person arrested had to cool their heels in a freakin'
jail until it was resolved. Obviously, none of us would
want to go through that. Is that justifiable to
"protect society"?
> They were always recallable, although the search was not quite as easy.
> Libraries had microfilm files and bound copies of old newspapers.
"Not quite as easy" is a gross understatement. Searching microfilm,
even something indexed like the NYT, is much, much harder than
searching on line.
Likewise with police records. You had to visit a specific
police station and dig through files. Now it's very easy.
> What we should be worrying about is not that this information is
> available, but that our society doesn't react to it in a mature
> way. But if you're trying to find damaging evidence against
> someone, there have always been ways to do it.
I supposedly could prepare a dinner for a 50 people, so
"there's a way to do it". But it'd be very hard, and I
probably wouldn't do it if I could at all avoid it.
Americans could travel across the country before the jetliner
was invented. But it wasn't until the jetliner that air
travel became comfortable and easy enough for people to
do it en masse. And of course, people could travel by
train before airplanes were in service, but again, it was
so difficult that long trips were rare.
The degree of difficulty is a key part of the issue.
As to the 'maturity' of society, I don't think you're gonna
change human nature.
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382368 is a reply to message #382218] |
Sat, 23 March 2019 16:07 |
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On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 at 1:07:42 PM UTC-4, Rob Morley wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 23:22:09 -0500
> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
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>> IMHO, anything you do in public (which includes Farcebook in spades)
>> is for everyone. Permanently disabled people shouldn't have a
>> problem, it's the ones who are showing themselves doing extreme
>> sports while claiming disability that should have a problem.
>
> Except many people with a permanent disability have good days as well
> as bad, and like to feel that they can do stuff despite their problems
> - this is good for their emotional well-being until they have to start
> worrying that they're going to be accused of fraud and lose their
> disability payment.
Good point.
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382372 is a reply to message #382362] |
Sat, 23 March 2019 17:33 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2019-03-23, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 2:03:30 AM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2019-03-22, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 5:48:47 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> You're acting like people are forced to put stuff on Facebook against
>>>> their will.
>>>
>>> The reality is that smartphones and social media are becoming such
>>> a mainframe part of society that, yes, people are forced to use
>>> them in order to function in society.
>>
>> FSVO "function". I get along quite well without them.
>> Any society which requires them is one which I want no part of.
>
> Well, reasonably speaking, someone just can't stay locked in their room.
Who says I do that?
> The reality is that more and more organizations we need to live,
> like doctors, government agencies, banks, insurance companies,
> and even our friends, are on-line these days, and a person must
> also be online to communicate with them.
I can still visit any of those in person if I so desire, although
a well-designed web site usually makes things easier. (A poorly
designed web site makes things harder, but that's another topic.)
N.B.: online != Facebook
> There are more and more situations out there requiring
> a smart phone and social media. Now it is mostly optional,
> but soon that will change.
I doubt it. I'm sure there are enough of us who will boycott
any organization that tries to replace their web sites with
Facebook pages or restrict access to smart phone apps.
I see some juicy class action suits coming...
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382374 is a reply to message #382363] |
Sat, 23 March 2019 17:49 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:54:27 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 2:03:30 AM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> FSVO "function". I get along quite well without them.
>> Any society which requires them is one which I want no part of.
>
> Example--pre-registration for hospital treatment. Yes, you
> can do it over the phone or in person. But you're gonna wait
> a long, long time and it is a grind. Doing it on-line is so
> much easier and even more accurate.
So tell us which hospital does pre-registration for a hospital
treatment via Facebook.
You're moving the goalposts. The discussion was of the government
looking at Facebook, not of communications with a medical institution.
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382383 is a reply to message #382362] |
Sun, 24 March 2019 08:56 |
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:51:04 -0700 (PDT)
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> The reality is that more and more organizations we need to live,
> like doctors, government agencies, banks, insurance companies,
> and even our friends, are on-line these days, and a person must
> also be online to communicate with them.
Quite true, but this does not result in any need to use any form of
social media let alone a need to post unwisely on such. I only opened a
Facebook account for the first time earlier this year despite decades of
online presence, I have it for a reason and everything I do with it is for
that reason. I care very little how poor their security might be since I
haven't given them any private information (they keep asking for things I
don't want to tell them).
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382384 is a reply to message #382195] |
Sun, 24 March 2019 10:28 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On 24 Mar 2019 10:48:10 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2019-03-23, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 2:03:30 AM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2019-03-22, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 5:48:47 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > You're acting like people are forced to put stuff on Facebook against
>>>> > their will.
>>>>
>>>> The reality is that smartphones and social media are becoming such
>>>> a mainframe part of society that, yes, people are forced to use
>>>> them in order to function in society.
>>>
>>> FSVO "function". I get along quite well without them.
>>> Any society which requires them is one which I want no part of.
>>
>> Well, reasonably speaking, someone just can't stay locked in their room.
>>
>> The reality is that more and more organizations we need to live,
>> like doctors, government agencies, banks, insurance companies,
>> and even our friends, are on-line these days, and a person must
>> also be online to communicate with them.
>
> I moved house just over three years ago, and due to an enormous cock-up
> by British Telecom [spit], had no broadband for 5 weeks. Until recently,
> the cellphone signal here was very poor. The only way I had to get online
> was to drive into the nearby town and use the WiFi in a coffee shop.
>
> Dealing with the bureaucracy around moving house was a *nightmare*.
> Everybody I called said "Oh, you can do this online". "No I can't", I
> replied through steadily more gritted teeth. I imagine being one of
> the poor souls who can't get online at all, for whatever reason, must
> be a right royal PITA.
One of my relatives called their ISP several years ago and told them
his internet connection was down. The moron on the phone said he could
do that trouble report online. My relative asked the moron if he had
actually listened to what he had said. The moron said yes. The
relative pointed out, agan, he has no internet, therefore he cannot go
to their web page. No WFi either.
The relative called their corporate office and filed a complaint. The
local office came right out and fixed the problem. Hopefully the moron
learned somethng.
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382397 is a reply to message #382195] |
Sun, 24 March 2019 12:49 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On 24 Mar 2019 14:54:23 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2019-03-24, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [snippage]
>
>> One of my relatives called their ISP several years ago and told them
>> his internet connection was down. The moron on the phone said he could
>> do that trouble report online. My relative asked the moron if he had
>> actually listened to what he had said. The moron said yes. The
>> relative pointed out, agan, he has no internet, therefore he cannot go
>> to their web page. No WFi either.
>
> My cellphone recently stopped talking to the cellular network. I rebooted
> it a couple of times, to no avail, and after some brief investigation, it
> also appeared that my wife's cellphone (which is with the same provider)
> and my burglar alarm (which uses GPRS) were also not working, so it
> appeared the local cell must be down. I called the provider and explained
> all of this. The pod person on the 'phone told me to reboot my 'phone. I
> asked how this would help in view of the above, but he was insistent. I
> hung up. The following day, it was all working again.
>
> In defence of the pod people, it's the same with helldesks everywhere; the
> people bright enough to do a decent job either don't want to work on the
> helldesk, or are too expensive to use. Add that to the fact that 99.9%
> of the people calling are themselves idiots and have no idea how the
> technology works (experience teaches me *never* to pay any attention
> to a user's diagnosis of a problem), and it's pretty much a perfect storm.
I've worked on help desks when only coworkers called. They asked me
some dumb things to.
>> The relative called their corporate office and filed a complaint. The
>> local office came right out and fixed the problem. Hopefully the moron
>> learned somethng.
>
> One would hope that they learned what a P45 (UK tax documentation relating
> to being fired) looked like. But I doubt it.
I doubt it to.
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Sun, 24 March 2019 17:29 |
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Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
> In defence of the pod people, it's the same with helldesks everywhere; the
> people bright enough to do a decent job either don't want to work on the
> helldesk, or are too expensive to use. Add that to the fact that 99.9%
> of the people calling are themselves idiots and have no idea how the
> technology works (experience teaches me *never* to pay any attention
> to a user's diagnosis of a problem), and it's pretty much a perfect storm.
Years ago, my son was a pod person for a Canadian telco/ISP. He never
dropped a call until the caller's problem was sorted and he had the
highest rating in the office from employer's customer satisfaction
surveys. He's no tech wizard but pretty knowedgeable on then-current
tech.
He was warned twice and then fired for averaging too many minutes per
call.
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382422 is a reply to message #382402] |
Mon, 25 March 2019 10:09 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On 24 Mar 2019 18:29:07 -0300, Mike Spencer
<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
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> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
>
>> In defence of the pod people, it's the same with helldesks everywhere; the
>> people bright enough to do a decent job either don't want to work on the
>> helldesk, or are too expensive to use. Add that to the fact that 99.9%
>> of the people calling are themselves idiots and have no idea how the
>> technology works (experience teaches me *never* to pay any attention
>> to a user's diagnosis of a problem), and it's pretty much a perfect storm.
>
> Years ago, my son was a pod person for a Canadian telco/ISP. He never
> dropped a call until the caller's problem was sorted and he had the
> highest rating in the office from employer's customer satisfaction
> surveys. He's no tech wizard but pretty knowedgeable on then-current
> tech.
>
> He was warned twice and then fired for averaging too many minutes per
> call.
I was told I was taking too long... I pointed out I could help them or
not help them, my boss' choice. I didn't last long in that job. My
next one, we helped until it was solved.
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382439 is a reply to message #382371] |
Mon, 25 March 2019 15:57 |
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On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 5:34:07 PM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> FSVO "function". I get along quite well without them.
>>> Any society which requires them is one which I want no part of.
>>
>> Example--pre-registration for hospital treatment. Yes, you
>> can do it over the phone or in person. But you're gonna wait
>> a long, long time and it is a grind. Doing it on-line is so
>> much easier and even more accurate.
>
> Which hospital has a mandatory Facebook page? Not ours, for sure.
For whatever reason, Facebook is being used by more and
businesses to keep in touch. Maybe it's easier to maintain
a Facebook page than a conventional web page. (I don't
use Facebook, so I don't know).
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382440 is a reply to message #382372] |
Mon, 25 March 2019 15:59 |
hancock4
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On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 5:34:07 PM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> There are more and more situations out there requiring
>> a smart phone and social media. Now it is mostly optional,
>> but soon that will change.
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> I doubt it. I'm sure there are enough of us who will boycott
> any organization that tries to replace their web sites with
> Facebook pages or restrict access to smart phone apps.
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> I see some juicy class action suits coming...
I must disagree. Young people, and even plenty of older
people, LOVE Facebook and social media and use it extensively.
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382447 is a reply to message #382440] |
Mon, 25 March 2019 17:54 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2019-03-25, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 5:34:07 PM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>>> There are more and more situations out there requiring
>>> a smart phone and social media. Now it is mostly optional,
>>> but soon that will change.
>>
>> I doubt it. I'm sure there are enough of us who will boycott
>> any organization that tries to replace their web sites with
>> Facebook pages or restrict access to smart phone apps.
>>
>> I see some juicy class action suits coming...
>
> I must disagree. Young people, and even plenty of older
> people, LOVE Facebook and social media and use it extensively.
Even for transactions involving personal information and funds transfers?
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382449 is a reply to message #382195] |
Mon, 25 March 2019 19:19 |
Dan Espen
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Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
> On 2019-03-25, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 5:34:07 PM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>>> > FSVO "function". I get along quite well without them.
>>>> > Any society which requires them is one which I want no part of.
>>>>
>>>> Example--pre-registration for hospital treatment. Yes, you
>>>> can do it over the phone or in person. But you're gonna wait
>>>> a long, long time and it is a grind. Doing it on-line is so
>>>> much easier and even more accurate.
>>>
>>> Which hospital has a mandatory Facebook page? Not ours, for sure.
>>
>> For whatever reason, Facebook is being used by more and
>> businesses to keep in touch. Maybe it's easier to maintain
>> a Facebook page than a conventional web page.
>
> Spot on. Much easier.
As far as I can tell, you don't build a web page, you just dump photos
and text there.
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382450 is a reply to message #382440] |
Mon, 25 March 2019 19:22 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:59:15 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 5:34:07 PM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>>> There are more and more situations out there requiring
>>> a smart phone and social media. Now it is mostly optional,
>>> but soon that will change.
>>
>> I doubt it. I'm sure there are enough of us who will boycott
>> any organization that tries to replace their web sites with
>> Facebook pages or restrict access to smart phone apps.
>>
>> I see some juicy class action suits coming...
>
> I must disagree. Young people, and even plenty of older
> people, LOVE Facebook and social media and use it extensively.
At this point it's middle aged people who LOVE Facebook. The kids see
it as something their parents use.
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382451 is a reply to message #382449] |
Mon, 25 March 2019 20:59 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 19:19:21 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 2019-03-25, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>> On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 5:34:07 PM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> >> FSVO "function". I get along quite well without them.
>>>> >> Any society which requires them is one which I want no part of.
>>>> >
>>>> > Example--pre-registration for hospital treatment. Yes, you
>>>> > can do it over the phone or in person. But you're gonna wait
>>>> > a long, long time and it is a grind. Doing it on-line is so
>>>> > much easier and even more accurate.
>>>>
>>>> Which hospital has a mandatory Facebook page? Not ours, for sure.
>>>
>>> For whatever reason, Facebook is being used by more and
>>> businesses to keep in touch. Maybe it's easier to maintain
>>> a Facebook page than a conventional web page.
>>
>> Spot on. Much easier.
>
> As far as I can tell, you don't build a web page, you just dump photos
> and text there.
My employer maintains a Facebook page and several Web sites. Generally
speaking the Facebook page has "chatty" items but is not used for
transacting business.
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382458 is a reply to message #382366] |
Tue, 26 March 2019 00:12 |
Gene Wirchenko
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 13:06:40 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 2:03:30 AM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
[snip]
>> They were always recallable, although the search was not quite as easy.
>> Libraries had microfilm files and bound copies of old newspapers.
>
> "Not quite as easy" is a gross understatement. Searching microfilm,
> even something indexed like the NYT, is much, much harder than
> searching on line.
I remember using microfilm and microfiche the odd time. Even
when I knew exactly where to look, it was quite time-consuming
compared with a Web search.
[snip]
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382459 is a reply to message #382362] |
Tue, 26 March 2019 00:17 |
Gene Wirchenko
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:51:04 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 2:03:30 AM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2019-03-22, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 5:48:47 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> You're acting like people are forced to put stuff on Facebook against
>>>> their will.
>>>
>>> The reality is that smartphones and social media are becoming such
>>> a mainframe part of society that, yes, people are forced to use
>>> them in order to function in society.
>>
>> FSVO "function". I get along quite well without them.
>> Any society which requires them is one which I want no part of.
>
> Well, reasonably speaking, someone just can't stay locked in their room.
>
> The reality is that more and more organizations we need to live,
> like doctors, government agencies, banks, insurance companies,
> and even our friends, are on-line these days, and a person must
> also be online to communicate with them.
>
> Look, years ago, all businesses maintained local offices
> where you could pay your bill or conduct other business
> in person. Years ago you might have been paid in cash
> and did all your business in cash, not even having a
> bank account. (Buying a money order on rare occasions.)
>
>
> That's all gone now. It's harder and harder to conduct
> business the traditional way. Either the old ways
> no longer exist at all (such as mandated credit card),
> or are more expensive and extremely cumbersome. Trust
> me, I've tried sticking with the old ways and it sucks.
> Institutions really push modern methods now. Example--
I prefer credit unions to banks. Nonetheless, a couple years
ago, my CU removed the deposit preparation table. I did not like
that.
> A lot of things I used to buy in stores are simply no
> longer available and I must buy via online or do without,
> as an example.
Sometimes, those things are no longer commonly sold. Vacuum
tubes used to be sold in drugstores, and there would be a tester. I
have not seen this in decades.
> Some govt agencies have closed their offices and one must
> do business online, whether they want to or not.
Even going to the office, one may have to apply via computer. It
can be difficult when one is an unusual case.
> There are more and more situations out there requiring
> a smart phone and social media. Now it is mostly optional,
> but soon that will change.
No, it will just become more necessary in more cases. Which
amounts to the same thing.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382460 is a reply to message #382372] |
Tue, 26 March 2019 00:20 |
Gene Wirchenko
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On 23 Mar 2019 21:33:17 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:
> On 2019-03-23, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 2:03:30 AM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2019-03-22, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 5:48:47 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > You're acting like people are forced to put stuff on Facebook against
>>>> > their will.
>>>>
>>>> The reality is that smartphones and social media are becoming such
>>>> a mainframe part of society that, yes, people are forced to use
>>>> them in order to function in society.
>>>
>>> FSVO "function". I get along quite well without them.
>>> Any society which requires them is one which I want no part of.
An inversion of that Groucho Marx saying? The one that he would
not be a member of a club that would have him as a member.
>> Well, reasonably speaking, someone just can't stay locked in their room.
>
> Who says I do that?
"See that. I leave the door unlocked."?
>> The reality is that more and more organizations we need to live,
>> like doctors, government agencies, banks, insurance companies,
>> and even our friends, are on-line these days, and a person must
>> also be online to communicate with them.
>
> I can still visit any of those in person if I so desire, although
> a well-designed web site usually makes things easier. (A poorly
> designed web site makes things harder, but that's another topic.)
>
> N.B.: online != Facebook
Indeed it is.
>> There are more and more situations out there requiring
>> a smart phone and social media. Now it is mostly optional,
>> but soon that will change.
>
> I doubt it. I'm sure there are enough of us who will boycott
> any organization that tries to replace their web sites with
> Facebook pages or restrict access to smart phone apps.
>
> I see some juicy class action suits coming...
I do not think that many will get very far.
There may be businesses that pop up to give service for those who
will pay for it.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382461 is a reply to message #382374] |
Tue, 26 March 2019 00:24 |
Gene Wirchenko
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 17:49:35 -0400, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:54:27 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 2:03:30 AM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> FSVO "function". I get along quite well without them.
>>> Any society which requires them is one which I want no part of.
>>
>> Example--pre-registration for hospital treatment. Yes, you
>> can do it over the phone or in person. But you're gonna wait
>> a long, long time and it is a grind. Doing it on-line is so
>> much easier and even more accurate.
>
> So tell us which hospital does pre-registration for a hospital
> treatment via Facebook.
>
> You're moving the goalposts. The discussion was of the government
> looking at Facebook, not of communications with a medical institution.
In Canada, a hospital is government-related.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382467 is a reply to message #382461] |
Tue, 26 March 2019 07:21 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 21:24:10 -0700, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 17:49:35 -0400, J. Clarke
> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:54:27 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 2:03:30 AM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> FSVO "function". I get along quite well without them.
>>>> Any society which requires them is one which I want no part of.
>>>
>>> Example--pre-registration for hospital treatment. Yes, you
>>> can do it over the phone or in person. But you're gonna wait
>>> a long, long time and it is a grind. Doing it on-line is so
>>> much easier and even more accurate.
>>
>> So tell us which hospital does pre-registration for a hospital
>> treatment via Facebook.
>>
>> You're moving the goalposts. The discussion was of the government
>> looking at Facebook, not of communications with a medical institution.
>
> In Canada, a hospital is government-related.
What of it? Please identify a hospital in Canada which offers no
means of communication other than Facebook.
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382471 is a reply to message #382449] |
Tue, 26 March 2019 11:04 |
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Originally posted by: nobody
On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 19:19:21 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 2019-03-25, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>> For whatever reason, Facebook is being used by more and
>>> businesses to keep in touch. Maybe it's easier to maintain
>>> a Facebook page than a conventional web page.
>>
>> Spot on. Much easier.
>
> As far as I can tell, you don't build a web page, you just dump photos
> and text there.
Well, we did have an experiment where common folks were given some
control over the style and layout of their pages. The result was
Geocities and, worse, Myspace. From that perspective FB is probably a
better fit fow what common folks want to do with their online
presence.
But any business entity who makes FB their main (or worse, only)
online presence doesn't get my business. In expressing professionalism
it's the equivalent of taping handmade signs to street lights.
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| Re: Social Security screening Facebook Instagram to evaluate disability claim. [message #382502 is a reply to message #382470] |
Wed, 27 March 2019 15:12 |
hancock4
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On Tuesday, March 26, 2019 at 10:50:33 AM UTC-4, Rob Morley wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 13:06:40 -0700 (PDT)
> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>> "Not quite as easy" is a gross understatement. Searching microfilm,
>> even something indexed like the NYT, is much, much harder than
>> searching on line.
>>
> I remember doing a history project in high school using the NYT archive
> on microfilm, I thought it was amazing being able to step back in time
> just by spooling through a bit of film, partly I think because there
> was lots of context surrounding the articles that I was looking for.
Yes, looking through the old newspapers is very interesting--
seeing the old ads and other articles.
Many libraries offer NYT access through something called
ProQuest. Neat thing.
Google books has many magazines and newspapers available.
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