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Re: George Lucas reveals his plan for Star Wars 7 through 9--and it was awful [message #369307 is a reply to message #369258] Fri, 22 June 2018 09:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: JimP

On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 22:56:50 -0400, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 21 Jun 2018 09:51:48 GMT, Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 08:30:25 +0000, Huge wrote:
>>
>>> Budget does not a movie make. For example, these are all better than
>>> Star Wars and yet had budgets a fraction of what Lucas spent; "The Girl
>>> With All The Gifts", "Under The Skin", "Cargo".
>>
>> I would add "Dark Star".
>>
>> (and "Forbidden Planet"!)
>
> Forbidden Planet did not have a budget "a fraction of what George
> Lucas spent". The budget for Star Wars was 11 million in 1977. The
> budget for Forbidden Planet was 8 million in 1956, which, adjusted for
> inflation, is 18 million in 1977.
>

The Forbidden Planet dvd I have also has bits of film converted to the
dvd that shows them working on the special effects, and the models,
for the star ship in the movie. Along with Robbie's car.
Re: George Lucas reveals his plan for Star Wars 7 through 9--and it was awful [message #369310 is a reply to message #369276] Fri, 22 June 2018 09:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: JimP

On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 07:43:13 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 19:58:02 -0500
> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 17:47:30 -0400, Peter Flass
>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Andromeda Strain movie sucked... a satellite in orbit equipped
>>>> with a vacuum ? Nonsense.
>>>
>>> Plenty of raw material there for one ;-)
>>
>> I found the book much more scary. A set of instructions was sent to
>> Earth. Turns out it was a DNA/android sequence. Once she was built,
>> she started killing people and couldn't be stopped.
>
> That's a different book and far less plausible.

Its not the Andromeda Strain ?
Re: George Lucas reveals his plan for Star Wars 7 through 9--and it was awful [message #369311 is a reply to message #369277] Fri, 22 June 2018 09:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: JimP

On 22 Jun 2018 07:26:34 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:

> On 2018-06-21, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 06:53:31 -0400, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > On 19 Jun 2018 21:33:20 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > The first one, now number 4, was the best sf movie since Forbidden
>>>> > Planet. My high school buddies and I had given up ever seeing a good
>>>> > sf movie again.
>>>
>>> 2001?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> My recollection is foggy, but my thought at the time was that Star Wars
>>>> dropped in as a full-featured sci-fi movie into a desert of creature
>>>> features and cheap B movies. I think it started the trend toward
>>>> higher-class scifi now in the movies and on tv.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Andromeda Strain, The Omega Man, THX 1138, Silent Running, Solaris,
>>> Fantastic Planet, Soylent Green, Dark Star, The Terminal Man, A Boy and His Dog,
>>> Logan's Run, The Man Who Fell to Earth, Close Encounters of the Third Kind...
>>> just some of the films from that period -- hardly a desert.
>>>
>>> It was 2001 that really set the higher bar for science fiction cinema, but
>>> nobody tried to reach it for quite a while. Star Wars did spawn a host of
>>> imitators, none of which were as good and some of which were truly awful.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> 2001 was good, but the ending was hokey - not the fault of the movie, since
>> the book was also. I saw many of the others and thought some were pretty
>> good. Blade Runner beat them all, but I believe that came after SW.
>>
>
> AFAIK, the Book (2001) came after the film, and was really the `bookifying'
> of the script. Great film.

They were written at the same time. The author and the film maker had
a number of arguments.
Re: George Lucas reveals his plan for Star Wars 7 through 9--and it was awful [message #369315 is a reply to message #369311] Fri, 22 June 2018 09:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager

On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 08:18:32 -0500, JimP wrote:

> On 22 Jun 2018 07:26:34 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>
>> On 2018-06-21, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 06:53:31 -0400, Peter Flass
>>>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> > JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> On 19 Jun 2018 21:33:20 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The first one, now number 4, was the best sf movie since Forbidden
>>>> >> Planet. My high school buddies and I had given up ever seeing a
>>>> >> good sf movie again.
>>>>
>>>> 2001?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > My recollection is foggy, but my thought at the time was that Star
>>>> > Wars dropped in as a full-featured sci-fi movie into a desert of
>>>> > creature features and cheap B movies. I think it started the trend
>>>> > toward higher-class scifi now in the movies and on tv.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Andromeda Strain, The Omega Man, THX 1138, Silent Running,
>>>> Solaris, Fantastic Planet, Soylent Green, Dark Star, The Terminal
>>>> Man, A Boy and His Dog,
>>>> Logan's Run, The Man Who Fell to Earth, Close Encounters of the Third
>>>> Kind... just some of the films from that period -- hardly a desert.
>>>>
>>>> It was 2001 that really set the higher bar for science fiction
>>>> cinema, but nobody tried to reach it for quite a while. Star Wars
>>>> did spawn a host of imitators, none of which were as good and some of
>>>> which were truly awful.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 2001 was good, but the ending was hokey - not the fault of the movie,
>>> since the book was also. I saw many of the others and thought some
>>> were pretty good. Blade Runner beat them all, but I believe that came
>>> after SW.
>>>
>>>
>> AFAIK, the Book (2001) came after the film, and was really the
>> `bookifying'
>> of the script. Great film.
>
> They were written at the same time. The author and the film maker had a
> number of arguments.

There is another book about it.




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Re: George Lucas reveals his plan for Star Wars 7 through 9--and it was awful [message #369316 is a reply to message #369310] Fri, 22 June 2018 10:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 08:16:57 -0500
JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 07:43:13 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
> <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 19:58:02 -0500
>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 17:47:30 -0400, Peter Flass
>>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > The Andromeda Strain movie sucked... a satellite in orbit equipped
>>>> > with a vacuum ? Nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> Plenty of raw material there for one ;-)
>>>
>>> I found the book much more scary. A set of instructions was sent to
>>> Earth. Turns out it was a DNA/android sequence. Once she was built,
>>> she started killing people and couldn't be stopped.
>>
>> That's a different book and far less plausible.
>
> Its not the Andromeda Strain ?

The Andromeda Strain I know (first as a book sometime in the mid
70s and later as a film) is the first plot with a satellite recovering
something nasty and things going badly wrong when it turns out to be an
energy eater culminating in a race against time and contamination breach
defences to disable a nuke before it spreads the nasties far and wide. The
film follows the book quite closely.

The plot involving a set of DNA instructions for a female killer
android is not familiar, but sounds awful.

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Re: George Lucas reveals his plan for Star Wars 7 through 9--and it was awful [message #369319 is a reply to message #369245] Fri, 22 June 2018 10:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> writes:

> On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 17:08:49 -0400, Freddy wrote:
>
>> Multics, OS2, and those movies we say are better. Where are the
>> sequels now?
>>
>> MS Windows, Star Wars, we have more of that than we ever want.
>
> Shame about OS/2. I used it 1990-2010 - by choice.
>
> Multics - well...
>
> One sequel was UNIX, at least partly. And look where that went (OK,
> there are downsides, like Linux :))

As a developer, having been exposed to many versions of Unix, Linux
stands out as the best.

(And yes, I like systemd too.)

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Re: George Lucas reveals his plan for Star Wars 7 through 9--and it was awful [message #369324 is a reply to message #369316] Fri, 22 June 2018 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in
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> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 08:16:57 -0500
> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 07:43:13 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
>> <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 19:58:02 -0500
>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 17:47:30 -0400, Peter Flass
>>>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The Andromeda Strain movie sucked... a satellite in orbit
>>>> >> equipped with a vacuum ? Nonsense.
>>>> >
>>>> >Plenty of raw material there for one ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I found the book much more scary. A set of instructions was sent to
>>>> Earth. Turns out it was a DNA/android sequence. Once she was built,
>>>> she started killing people and couldn't be stopped.
>>>
>>> That's a different book and far less plausible.
>>
>> Its not the Andromeda Strain ?
>
> The Andromeda Strain I know (first as a book sometime in the mid
> 70s and later as a film) is the first plot with a satellite recovering
> something nasty and things going badly wrong when it turns out to be an
> energy eater culminating in a race against time and contamination
> breach defences to disable a nuke before it spreads the nasties far and
> wide. The film follows the book quite closely.
>
> The plot involving a set of DNA instructions for a female killer
> android is not familiar, but sounds awful.

That might be "A for Andromeda" by Fred Hoyle & John Elliot.
Re: George Lucas reveals his plan for Star Wars 7 through 9--and it was awful [message #369325 is a reply to message #369315] Fri, 22 June 2018 11:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> wrote in news:fp4cpcFkh8mU10
@mid.individual.net:

> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 08:18:32 -0500, JimP wrote:
>
>> On 22 Jun 2018 07:26:34 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-06-21, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>>>> > On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 06:53:31 -0400, Peter Flass
>>>> > <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> >> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>> On 19 Jun 2018 21:33:20 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The first one, now number 4, was the best sf movie since Forbidden
>>>> >>> Planet. My high school buddies and I had given up ever seeing a
>>>> >>> good sf movie again.
>>>> >
>>>> > 2001?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> My recollection is foggy, but my thought at the time was that Star
>>>> >> Wars dropped in as a full-featured sci-fi movie into a desert of
>>>> >> creature features and cheap B movies. I think it started the trend
>>>> >> toward higher-class scifi now in the movies and on tv.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > The Andromeda Strain, The Omega Man, THX 1138, Silent Running,
>>>> > Solaris, Fantastic Planet, Soylent Green, Dark Star, The Terminal
>>>> > Man, A Boy and His Dog,
>>>> > Logan's Run, The Man Who Fell to Earth, Close Encounters of the Third
>>>> > Kind... just some of the films from that period -- hardly a desert.
>>>> >
>>>> > It was 2001 that really set the higher bar for science fiction
>>>> > cinema, but nobody tried to reach it for quite a while. Star Wars
>>>> > did spawn a host of imitators, none of which were as good and some of
>>>> > which were truly awful.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> 2001 was good, but the ending was hokey - not the fault of the movie,
>>>> since the book was also. I saw many of the others and thought some
>>>> were pretty good. Blade Runner beat them all, but I believe that came
>>>> after SW.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> AFAIK, the Book (2001) came after the film, and was really the
>>> `bookifying' of the script. Great film.
>>
>> They were written at the same time. The author and the film maker had a
>> number of arguments.
>
> There is another book about it.

"Lost Worlds of 2001" had a number of Clarke's plot outlines that were
rejected.
Re: George Lucas reveals his plan for Star Wars 7 through 9--and it was awful [message #369330 is a reply to message #369059] Fri, 22 June 2018 13:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 22 Jun 2018 15:33:31 GMT
Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> On 2018-06-22, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> The plot involving a set of DNA instructions for a female killer
>> android is not familiar, but sounds awful.
>
> Incorrect. It's called "A for Andromeda" and was a book and several
> TV adaptions;

Ah yes that does ring a bell now you mention it - it was awful.

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On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 10:53:15 -0400
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:

> As a developer, having been exposed to many versions of Unix, Linux
> stands out as the best.
>
> (And yes, I like systemd too.)

There's no accounting for taste - FreeBSD by a good way for me.

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Re: George Lucas reveals his plan for Star Wars 7 through 9--and it was awful [message #369336 is a reply to message #369315] Fri, 22 June 2018 13:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: JimP

On 22 Jun 2018 13:44:12 GMT, Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 08:18:32 -0500, JimP wrote:
>
>> On 22 Jun 2018 07:26:34 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-06-21, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>>>> > On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 06:53:31 -0400, Peter Flass
>>>> > <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> >> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>> On 19 Jun 2018 21:33:20 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The first one, now number 4, was the best sf movie since Forbidden
>>>> >>> Planet. My high school buddies and I had given up ever seeing a
>>>> >>> good sf movie again.
>>>> >
>>>> > 2001?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> My recollection is foggy, but my thought at the time was that Star
>>>> >> Wars dropped in as a full-featured sci-fi movie into a desert of
>>>> >> creature features and cheap B movies. I think it started the trend
>>>> >> toward higher-class scifi now in the movies and on tv.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > The Andromeda Strain, The Omega Man, THX 1138, Silent Running,
>>>> > Solaris, Fantastic Planet, Soylent Green, Dark Star, The Terminal
>>>> > Man, A Boy and His Dog,
>>>> > Logan's Run, The Man Who Fell to Earth, Close Encounters of the Third
>>>> > Kind... just some of the films from that period -- hardly a desert.
>>>> >
>>>> > It was 2001 that really set the higher bar for science fiction
>>>> > cinema, but nobody tried to reach it for quite a while. Star Wars
>>>> > did spawn a host of imitators, none of which were as good and some of
>>>> > which were truly awful.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> 2001 was good, but the ending was hokey - not the fault of the movie,
>>>> since the book was also. I saw many of the others and thought some
>>>> were pretty good. Blade Runner beat them all, but I believe that came
>>>> after SW.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> AFAIK, the Book (2001) came after the film, and was really the
>>> `bookifying'
>>> of the script. Great film.
>>
>> They were written at the same time. The author and the film maker had a
>> number of arguments.
>
> There is another book about it.

The story I read titled 'The Sentinel', was a short story.
Re: George Lucas reveals his plan for Star Wars 7 through 9--and it was awful [message #369337 is a reply to message #369316] Fri, 22 June 2018 13:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: JimP

On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 15:09:04 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 08:16:57 -0500
> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 07:43:13 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
>> <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 19:58:02 -0500
>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 17:47:30 -0400, Peter Flass
>>>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The Andromeda Strain movie sucked... a satellite in orbit equipped
>>>> >> with a vacuum ? Nonsense.
>>>> >
>>>> >Plenty of raw material there for one ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I found the book much more scary. A set of instructions was sent to
>>>> Earth. Turns out it was a DNA/android sequence. Once she was built,
>>>> she started killing people and couldn't be stopped.
>>>
>>> That's a different book and far less plausible.
>>
>> Its not the Andromeda Strain ?
>
> The Andromeda Strain I know (first as a book sometime in the mid
> 70s and later as a film) is the first plot with a satellite recovering
> something nasty and things going badly wrong when it turns out to be an
> energy eater culminating in a race against time and contamination breach
> defences to disable a nuke before it spreads the nasties far and wide. The
> film follows the book quite closely.
>
> The plot involving a set of DNA instructions for a female killer
> android is not familiar, but sounds awful.

She was beautiful in the story. And found that made it easy to attack
and kill the male scientists. I don't think she was sent to kill
humanity off, but after she was brought to life, and sent info back to
the home planet, they told her they were dangerous and to kill them.
Re: George Lucas reveals his plan for Star Wars 7 through 9--and it was awful [message #369347 is a reply to message #369059] Fri, 22 June 2018 14:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: JimP

On 22 Jun 2018 15:33:31 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> On 2018-06-22, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
> [26 lines snipped]
>
>> The Andromeda Strain I know (first as a book sometime in the mid
>> 70s and later as a film) is the first plot with a satellite recovering
>> something nasty and things going badly wrong when it turns out to be an
>> energy eater culminating in a race against time and contamination breach
>> defences to disable a nuke before it spreads the nasties far and wide. The
>> film follows the book quite closely.
>
> Correct.
>
>> The plot involving a set of DNA instructions for a female killer
>> android is not familiar, but sounds awful.
>
> Incorrect. It's called "A for Andromeda" and was a book and several
> TV adaptions;
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_for_Andromeda

I remember that story to, but not a series of programs. The one I
remember was one movie, and she died the same way. It was before 1966.

Fred Hoyle was a very good author, and should have received more
acclaim.
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager

On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 18:18:36 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 10:53:15 -0400 Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> As a developer, having been exposed to many versions of Unix, Linux
>> stands out as the best.
>>
>> (And yes, I like systemd too.)
>
> There's no accounting for taste - FreeBSD by a good way for me.

And me, having used BSD in one form or another since 1977.

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Re: George Lucas reveals his plan for Star Wars 7 through 9--and it was awful [message #369362 is a reply to message #369336] Fri, 22 June 2018 17:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager

On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 12:49:25 -0500, JimP wrote:

> On 22 Jun 2018 13:44:12 GMT, Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 08:18:32 -0500, JimP wrote:
>>
>>> On 22 Jun 2018 07:26:34 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-06-21, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> > Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>>>> >> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 06:53:31 -0400, Peter Flass
>>>> >> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> >>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>> On 19 Jun 2018 21:33:20 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> The first one, now number 4, was the best sf movie since
>>>> >>>> Forbidden Planet. My high school buddies and I had given up ever
>>>> >>>> seeing a good sf movie again.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 2001?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> My recollection is foggy, but my thought at the time was that Star
>>>> >>> Wars dropped in as a full-featured sci-fi movie into a desert of
>>>> >>> creature features and cheap B movies. I think it started the trend
>>>> >>> toward higher-class scifi now in the movies and on tv.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The Andromeda Strain, The Omega Man, THX 1138, Silent Running,
>>>> >> Solaris, Fantastic Planet, Soylent Green, Dark Star, The Terminal
>>>> >> Man, A Boy and His Dog,
>>>> >> Logan's Run, The Man Who Fell to Earth, Close Encounters of the
>>>> >> Third Kind... just some of the films from that period -- hardly a
>>>> >> desert.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It was 2001 that really set the higher bar for science fiction
>>>> >> cinema, but nobody tried to reach it for quite a while. Star Wars
>>>> >> did spawn a host of imitators, none of which were as good and some
>>>> >> of which were truly awful.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> > 2001 was good, but the ending was hokey - not the fault of the
>>>> > movie,
>>>> > since the book was also. I saw many of the others and thought some
>>>> > were pretty good. Blade Runner beat them all, but I believe that
>>>> > came after SW.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> AFAIK, the Book (2001) came after the film, and was really the
>>>> `bookifying'
>>>> of the script. Great film.
>>>
>>> They were written at the same time. The author and the film maker had
>>> a number of arguments.
>>
>> There is another book about it.
>
> The story I read titled 'The Sentinel', was a short story.

No, you misunderstand. There was:

1) The Sentinel (short story)
2) The 2001 book
3) The book about the writing/making of 2001



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Originally posted by: Bob Eager

On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 13:04:08 -0500, JimP wrote:

> On 22 Jun 2018 15:33:31 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2018-06-22, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>
>> [26 lines snipped]
>>
>>> The Andromeda Strain I know (first as a book sometime in the mid
>>> 70s and later as a film) is the first plot with a satellite recovering
>>> something nasty and things going badly wrong when it turns out to be
>>> an energy eater culminating in a race against time and contamination
>>> breach defences to disable a nuke before it spreads the nasties far
>>> and wide. The film follows the book quite closely.
>>
>> Correct.
>>
>>> The plot involving a set of DNA instructions for a female killer
>>> android is not familiar, but sounds awful.
>>
>> Incorrect. It's called "A for Andromeda" and was a book and several TV
>> adaptions;
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_for_Andromeda
>
> I remember that story to, but not a series of programs. The one I
> remember was one movie, and she died the same way. It was before 1966.
>
> Fred Hoyle was a very good author, and should have received more
> acclaim.

When reading "The Black Cloud", one is however deafened by the sound of
grinding axes.

I enjoyed it, though.

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Originally posted by: JimP

On 22 Jun 2018 21:22:27 GMT, Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 13:04:08 -0500, JimP wrote:
>
>> On 22 Jun 2018 15:33:31 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-06-22, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> [26 lines snipped]
>>>
>>>> The Andromeda Strain I know (first as a book sometime in the mid
>>>> 70s and later as a film) is the first plot with a satellite recovering
>>>> something nasty and things going badly wrong when it turns out to be
>>>> an energy eater culminating in a race against time and contamination
>>>> breach defences to disable a nuke before it spreads the nasties far
>>>> and wide. The film follows the book quite closely.
>>>
>>> Correct.
>>>
>>>> The plot involving a set of DNA instructions for a female killer
>>>> android is not familiar, but sounds awful.
>>>
>>> Incorrect. It's called "A for Andromeda" and was a book and several TV
>>> adaptions;
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_for_Andromeda
>>
>> I remember that story to, but not a series of programs. The one I
>> remember was one movie, and she died the same way. It was before 1966.
>>
>> Fred Hoyle was a very good author, and should have received more
>> acclaim.
>
> When reading "The Black Cloud", one is however deafened by the sound of
> grinding axes.
>
> I enjoyed it, though.

Heinlein had some axes to. In his story about gating people to other
worlds, he mentions a certain 'East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere'.
Re: George Lucas reveals his plan for Star Wars 7 through 9--and it was awful [message #369366 is a reply to message #369362] Fri, 22 June 2018 17:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: JimP

On 22 Jun 2018 21:21:21 GMT, Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 12:49:25 -0500, JimP wrote:
>
>> On 22 Jun 2018 13:44:12 GMT, Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 08:18:32 -0500, JimP wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 22 Jun 2018 07:26:34 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On 2018-06-21, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> >> Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>>>> >>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 06:53:31 -0400, Peter Flass
>>>> >>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>> On 19 Jun 2018 21:33:20 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> The first one, now number 4, was the best sf movie since
>>>> >>>>> Forbidden Planet. My high school buddies and I had given up ever
>>>> >>>>> seeing a good sf movie again.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 2001?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> My recollection is foggy, but my thought at the time was that Star
>>>> >>>> Wars dropped in as a full-featured sci-fi movie into a desert of
>>>> >>>> creature features and cheap B movies. I think it started the trend
>>>> >>>> toward higher-class scifi now in the movies and on tv.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The Andromeda Strain, The Omega Man, THX 1138, Silent Running,
>>>> >>> Solaris, Fantastic Planet, Soylent Green, Dark Star, The Terminal
>>>> >>> Man, A Boy and His Dog,
>>>> >>> Logan's Run, The Man Who Fell to Earth, Close Encounters of the
>>>> >>> Third Kind... just some of the films from that period -- hardly a
>>>> >>> desert.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> It was 2001 that really set the higher bar for science fiction
>>>> >>> cinema, but nobody tried to reach it for quite a while. Star Wars
>>>> >>> did spawn a host of imitators, none of which were as good and some
>>>> >>> of which were truly awful.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> 2001 was good, but the ending was hokey - not the fault of the
>>>> >> movie,
>>>> >> since the book was also. I saw many of the others and thought some
>>>> >> were pretty good. Blade Runner beat them all, but I believe that
>>>> >> came after SW.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >AFAIK, the Book (2001) came after the film, and was really the
>>>> >`bookifying'
>>>> >of the script. Great film.
>>>>
>>>> They were written at the same time. The author and the film maker had
>>>> a number of arguments.
>>>
>>> There is another book about it.
>>
>> The story I read titled 'The Sentinel', was a short story.
>
> No, you misunderstand. There was:
>
> 1) The Sentinel (short story)
> 2) The 2001 book
> 3) The book about the writing/making of 2001

I read the short story, then saw the movie. The only other book I read
about it was how the movie was put together.
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On 2018-06-22, Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:

> On 6/21/2018 2:24 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...]
>>
>> I was pretty young when I first saw it, and had trouble getting
>> to sleep that night. An invisible monster with almost unlimited
>> power... that's about as scary as it gets.
>>
>
> Huge, all-powerful monsters... I do *not* find scary. If I have *no*
> chance to survive, I can resign myself to my fate.
>
> The scary monsters are the smaller calculating ones... the ones you
> feel it is possible to escape!!! Then your fear makes your mind race...
> thinking how you can hide or escape!!! You fear the monster but you
> also fear that you will make the wrong decision and be caught!!!

Oh, like Google and the Internet of Things...

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On 2018-06-21, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 2001 was good, but the ending was hokey - not the fault of the movie,
> since the book was also.

At least the book let you understand what was going on, rather than
just sitting there and saying, "Wow, look at the fancy lights...
pass the roach."

> I saw many of the others and thought some were pretty good.
> Blade Runner beat them all, but I believe that came after SW.

I watched the original Blade Runner again prior to watching the
sequel. It didn't make much more sense the second time around;
nor did it help that I still can't see any etymology of the term
"blade runner". Still, it does have a wonderfully dark mood.

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On 2018-06-21, Freddy <freddy1X@indyX.netX> wrote:

> Huge wrote:
>
>> On 2018-06-21, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>>
>> [17 lines snipped]
>>
>>> The Andromeda Strain, The Omega Man, THX 1138, Silent Running, Solaris,
>>> Fantastic Planet, Soylent Green, Dark Star, The Terminal Man, A Boy and
>>> His Dog, Logan's Run, The Man Who Fell to Earth, Close Encounters of the
>>> Third Kind... just some of the films from that period -- hardly a desert.
>>
>> All better than Star Wars. And all on the shelf behind me.
>
> Multics, OS2, and those movies we say are better. Where are the sequels
> now?

On VHS somewhere, perhaps... :-)

> MS Windows, Star Wars, we have more of that than we ever want.

Amen, brother.

> The market place has (mis)spoken.

Old marketing saying: When aiming for the lowest common denominator,
be prepared for the occasional division by zero.

> Freddy,
> bringing it back to computer folklore.

What, you don't like thread drift?

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Re: George Lucas reveals his plan for Star Wars 7 through 9--and it was awful [message #369374 is a reply to message #369365] Fri, 22 June 2018 17:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager

On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 16:37:52 -0500, JimP wrote:

> On 22 Jun 2018 21:22:27 GMT, Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 13:04:08 -0500, JimP wrote:
>>
>>> On 22 Jun 2018 15:33:31 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-06-22, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [26 lines snipped]
>>>>
>>>> > The Andromeda Strain I know (first as a book sometime in the mid
>>>> > 70s and later as a film) is the first plot with a satellite
>>>> > recovering something nasty and things going badly wrong when it
>>>> > turns out to be an energy eater culminating in a race against time
>>>> > and contamination breach defences to disable a nuke before it
>>>> > spreads the nasties far and wide. The film follows the book quite
>>>> > closely.
>>>>
>>>> Correct.
>>>>
>>>> > The plot involving a set of DNA instructions for a female killer
>>>> > android is not familiar, but sounds awful.
>>>>
>>>> Incorrect. It's called "A for Andromeda" and was a book and several TV
>>>> adaptions;
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_for_Andromeda
>>>
>>> I remember that story to, but not a series of programs. The one I
>>> remember was one movie, and she died the same way. It was before 1966.
>>>
>>> Fred Hoyle was a very good author, and should have received more
>>> acclaim.
>>
>> When reading "The Black Cloud", one is however deafened by the sound of
>> grinding axes.
>>
>> I enjoyed it, though.
>
> Heinlein had some axes to. In his story about gating people to other
> worlds, he mentions a certain 'East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere'.

Oh, Heinlein had lots. Many rather creepy.

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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On 22 Jun 2018 21:48:37 GMT, Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 16:37:52 -0500, JimP wrote:
>
>> On 22 Jun 2018 21:22:27 GMT, Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 13:04:08 -0500, JimP wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 22 Jun 2018 15:33:31 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On 2018-06-22, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >[26 lines snipped]
>>>> >
>>>> >> The Andromeda Strain I know (first as a book sometime in the mid
>>>> >> 70s and later as a film) is the first plot with a satellite
>>>> >> recovering something nasty and things going badly wrong when it
>>>> >> turns out to be an energy eater culminating in a race against time
>>>> >> and contamination breach defences to disable a nuke before it
>>>> >> spreads the nasties far and wide. The film follows the book quite
>>>> >> closely.
>>>> >
>>>> >Correct.
>>>> >
>>>> >> The plot involving a set of DNA instructions for a female killer
>>>> >> android is not familiar, but sounds awful.
>>>> >
>>>> >Incorrect. It's called "A for Andromeda" and was a book and several TV
>>>> >adaptions;
>>>> >
>>>> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_for_Andromeda
>>>>
>>>> I remember that story to, but not a series of programs. The one I
>>>> remember was one movie, and she died the same way. It was before 1966.
>>>>
>>>> Fred Hoyle was a very good author, and should have received more
>>>> acclaim.
>>>
>>> When reading "The Black Cloud", one is however deafened by the sound of
>>> grinding axes.
>>>
>>> I enjoyed it, though.
>>
>> Heinlein had some axes to. In his story about gating people to other
>> worlds, he mentions a certain 'East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere'.
>
> Oh, Heinlein had lots. Many rather creepy.

Perhaps in that universe the Japanese had not attacked Pearl Harbor.

< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_East_Asia_Co-Prosperit y_Sphere>
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On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 7:17:07 AM UTC-6, JimP wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 07:43:13 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
> <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 19:58:02 -0500
>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> I found the book much more scary. A set of instructions was sent to
>>> Earth. Turns out it was a DNA/android sequence. Once she was built,
>>> she started killing people and couldn't be stopped.

>> That's a different book and far less plausible.

> Its not the Andromeda Strain ?

Nope. But it does have the word "Andromeda" in the title - you are probably
thinking of Fred Hoyle's book, 'A' for Andromeda.

It took me a few moments to realize this; I was thinking of how the book
inspired two other movies, "Lifeforce", with a space vampire, and "The Fifth
Element", where the woman formed from DNA was one of the good guys.

John Savard
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On 2018-06-22, Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 13:04:08 -0500, JimP wrote:
>
>> On 22 Jun 2018 15:33:31 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> adaptions;
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_for_Andromeda
>>
>> I remember that story to, but not a series of programs. The one I
>> remember was one movie, and she died the same way. It was before 1966.
>>
>> Fred Hoyle was a very good author, and should have received more
>> acclaim.
>
> When reading "The Black Cloud", one is however deafened by the sound of
> grinding axes.
>
> I enjoyed it, though.
>

I liked it. Very pertinent to this group.

There was something about `the computer room was warm on this very cold morning"

also, they ran the programs twice, or thrice, to see if the answers agreed.


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On Fri, 2018-06-22, Dan Espen wrote:
> Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> writes:
....
>> One sequel was UNIX, at least partly. And look where that went (OK,
>> there are downsides, like Linux :))
>
> As a developer, having been exposed to many versions of Unix, Linux
> stands out as the best.

It comes with tools for development, unlike most unices in the
past ...

/Jorgen

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On 24 Jun 2018 06:36:31 GMT
Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:

> On Fri, 2018-06-22, Dan Espen wrote:
>> Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> writes:
> ...
>>> One sequel was UNIX, at least partly. And look where that went (OK,
>>> there are downsides, like Linux :))
>>
>> As a developer, having been exposed to many versions of Unix, Linux
>> stands out as the best.
>
> It comes with tools for development, unlike most unices in the
> past ...

Development tools were an optional extra with every commercial unix
I encountered, often an expensive one.

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Originally posted by: Bob Eager

On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 06:36:31 +0000, Jorgen Grahn wrote:

> On Fri, 2018-06-22, Dan Espen wrote:
>> Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> writes:
> ...
>>> One sequel was UNIX, at least partly. And look where that went (OK,
>>> there are downsides, like Linux :))
>>
>> As a developer, having been exposed to many versions of Unix, Linux
>> stands out as the best.
>
> It comes with tools for development, unlike most unices in the past ...

I don't believe it comes with anything that the BSDs don't have.

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On 24 Jun 2018 09:53:43 GMT
Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> wrote:

re Linux

> I don't believe it comes with anything that the BSDs don't have.

systemd :)

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On Sun, 2018-06-24, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 06:36:31 +0000, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2018-06-22, Dan Espen wrote:
>>> Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> writes:
>> ...
>>>> One sequel was UNIX, at least partly. And look where that went (OK,
>>>> there are downsides, like Linux :))
>>>
>>> As a developer, having been exposed to many versions of Unix, Linux
>>> stands out as the best.
>>
>> It comes with tools for development, unlike most unices in the past ...
>
> I don't believe it comes with anything that the BSDs don't have.

It doesn't, but the BSDs are fortunately not in the past :-)

/Jorgen

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Originally posted by: Melzzzzz

On 2018-06-24, Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 06:36:31 +0000, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2018-06-22, Dan Espen wrote:
>>> Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> writes:
>> ...
>>>> One sequel was UNIX, at least partly. And look where that went (OK,
>>>> there are downsides, like Linux :))
>>>
>>> As a developer, having been exposed to many versions of Unix, Linux
>>> stands out as the best.
>>
>> It comes with tools for development, unlike most unices in the past ...
>
> I don't believe it comes with anything that the BSDs don't have.
>
but BSD stands for Bad Software Distribution!

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Originally posted by: Melzzzzz

On 2018-06-24, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 24 Jun 2018 09:53:43 GMT
> Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> wrote:
>
> re Linux
>
>> I don't believe it comes with anything that the BSDs don't have.
>
> systemd :)

systemd is desktop only.
>


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Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2018-06-21, Freddy <freddy1X@indyX.netX> wrote:
>
>> Huge wrote:
>>
( cuts )

>
> On VHS somewhere, perhaps... :-)
>
>> MS Windows, Star Wars, we have more of that than we ever want.
>
> Amen, brother.
>
>> The market place has (mis)spoken.
>
> Old marketing saying: When aiming for the lowest common denominator,
> be prepared for the occasional division by zero.
>
>> Freddy,
>> bringing it back to computer folklore.
>
> What, you don't like thread drift?
>
This is a newsgroup about computers...

Computer folklore is that embarrassing tirade that grandpa goes into right
after he says: "When I was your age..."

Freddy,
old enough to be entitled to use that phrase.
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Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> writes:

> On Fri, 2018-06-22, Dan Espen wrote:
>> Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> writes:
> ...
>>> One sequel was UNIX, at least partly. And look where that went (OK,
>>> there are downsides, like Linux :))
>>
>> As a developer, having been exposed to many versions of Unix, Linux
>> stands out as the best.
>
> It comes with tools for development, unlike most unices in the
> past ...
>
> /Jorgen

Plus the GNU folks care more about usability than some
abstract goal like POSIX compliance.

One thing I learned to avoid is vendor supplied versions of make.
I'll choose gnu-make every time. I also prefer the diagnostics
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Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> writes:

> On 2018-06-24, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On 24 Jun 2018 09:53:43 GMT
>> Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> wrote:
>>
>> re Linux
>>
>>> I don't believe it comes with anything that the BSDs don't have.
>>
>> systemd :)
>
> systemd is desktop only.

Nope.

One of the big differences between systemd and init is that
systemd manages the restart of services when they die.
Something really needed in servers.

One of the things systemd did is catch up to Solaris SMF,
an enterprise level system.

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Re: George Lucas reveals his plan for Star Wars 7 through 9--and it was awful [message #369489 is a reply to message #369481] Sun, 24 June 2018 11:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: JimP

On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 08:52:36 -0400, Freddy <freddy1X@indyX.netX>
wrote:

> Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2018-06-21, Freddy <freddy1X@indyX.netX> wrote:
>>
>>> Huge wrote:
>>>
> ( cuts )
>
>>
>> On VHS somewhere, perhaps... :-)
>>
>>> MS Windows, Star Wars, we have more of that than we ever want.
>>
>> Amen, brother.
>>
>>> The market place has (mis)spoken.
>>
>> Old marketing saying: When aiming for the lowest common denominator,
>> be prepared for the occasional division by zero.
>>
>>> Freddy,
>>> bringing it back to computer folklore.
>>
>> What, you don't like thread drift?
>>
> This is a newsgroup about computers...
>
> Computer folklore is that embarrassing tirade that grandpa goes into right
> after he says: "When I was your age..."
>
> Freddy,
> old enough to be entitled to use that phrase.

We talk about lots of things in here. and I'm in my 70s, just didn't
work on computers until I was in my late 30s.
Re: George Lucas reveals his plan for Star Wars 7 through 9--and it was awful [message #369515 is a reply to message #369476] Sun, 24 June 2018 19:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael Black is currently offline  Michael Black
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2018, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> On 24 Jun 2018 09:53:43 GMT
> Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> wrote:
>
> re Linux
>
>> I don't believe it comes with anything that the BSDs don't have.
>
> systemd :)
>
That's not fair, you can get Linux without systemd, at least at the
moment. Everyone's favorite distribution, Slackware, is at least one
distribution that hasn't gone to the systemd side.

Michael
Re: George Lucas reveals his plan for Star Wars 7 through 9--and it was awful [message #369516 is a reply to message #369479] Sun, 24 June 2018 19:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael Black is currently offline  Michael Black
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2018, Melzzzzz wrote:

> On 2018-06-24, Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 06:36:31 +0000, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 2018-06-22, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>> Bob Eager <news0007@eager.cx> writes:
>>> ...
>>>> > One sequel was UNIX, at least partly. And look where that went (OK,
>>>> > there are downsides, like Linux :))
>>>>
>>>> As a developer, having been exposed to many versions of Unix, Linux
>>>> stands out as the best.
>>>
>>> It comes with tools for development, unlike most unices in the past ...
>>
>> I don't believe it comes with anything that the BSDs don't have.
>>
> but BSD stands for Bad Software Distribution!
>
No, "Berkely Software Distribution" though I may be wrong about the last
word.

Not to be confused with some small company that was "BDS", and they
actually did claim it was "Badly Done Software". But now I can't remember
what they were best known for.

Michael
Re: George Lucas reveals his plan for Star Wars 7 through 9--and it was awful [message #369517 is a reply to message #369481] Sun, 24 June 2018 19:20 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Michael Black is currently offline  Michael Black
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2018, Freddy wrote:

> Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2018-06-21, Freddy <freddy1X@indyX.netX> wrote:
>>
>>> Huge wrote:
>>>
> ( cuts )
>
>>
>> On VHS somewhere, perhaps... :-)
>>
>>> MS Windows, Star Wars, we have more of that than we ever want.
>>
>> Amen, brother.
>>
>>> The market place has (mis)spoken.
>>
>> Old marketing saying: When aiming for the lowest common denominator,
>> be prepared for the occasional division by zero.
>>
>>> Freddy,
>>> bringing it back to computer folklore.
>>
>> What, you don't like thread drift?
>>
> This is a newsgroup about computers...
>
> Computer folklore is that embarrassing tirade that grandpa goes into right
> after he says: "When I was your age..."
>
> Freddy,
> old enough to be entitled to use that phrase.

You must be new here.

Michael
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