| New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350282] |
Tue, 08 August 2017 02:31  |
Daniel England
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Heyas!
I'm pleased to announce that very soon I will be uploading my new SID to MIDI conversion tool onto GitHub.
If there is anyone else interested in it, I will expedite the process.
So far, it has these features:
- Very accurate instrument/patch detection (complex waveform shaping detected)
- Very accurate timing reproduction (customisable BPM and Division)
- Allows for complex MIDI mapping (Drum Mode, Note Mode, Chord Mode)
- Can output dumps for playback on SID emulation of each instrument/patch or just the filters
- Open source!
It is part of my XSID file tool-chain, much of which is already up on GitHub. I have created the XSID tools to manage SID files outside of the emulation. An XSID file is already very much like a MIDI file but is for playback on a SID emulator and allows for playback without the emulation of the CPU and CIAs.
I must apologise for the name since I became aware that there is already a C64 composition tool with that name. I just don't have a better one at the moment.
Also, I must also apologise for the fact that the tools are currently only available on Windows. In theory, I could compile Linux and MacOS versions but I am missing a few technical skills required for translating the LibReSIDFP and LibSIDPlay library wrappers I've created to GCC and also the time required for actually doing it. I am investigating but it will take a while. I'm very open to help with this.
Let me know your thoughts!
Daniel.
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350309 is a reply to message #350282] |
Tue, 08 August 2017 15:55  |
Daniel England
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Heyas!
Well, I thought I might as well upload it now. I had to do the documentation and I wanted to more exhaustively test and add a few features but it functions so I put it up.
You'll find it at: https://github.com/M3wP/XSID
At the moment, you will need to use the SID Convert tool to convert the SID files into XSID files. Once I have refactored everything into libraries, I will include this functionality in the XSID To MIDI application.
At the moment, pulse width and effect changes are not output as controller information in the MIDI files. I will get to that shortly but its only for reference anyway.
Please let me know about your experience with using the tools and if you find any problems. Any other contributions would also be greatly appreciated.
Daniel.
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350462 is a reply to message #350282] |
Fri, 11 August 2017 07:00 |
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On 08/08/2017 04:26 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> I always like coding for vintage pleasure. But for MIDI... This is
> probably mainly for folks who want to play SID files on their MIDI
> capable keyboard synthesizers.
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> I myself was collecting MIDI files but that stopped in the end of the 90s
> already. Suppose it's kind of not used much anymore unless you are
> professional musician.
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Hello, and I've used live MIDI for recording and playing on a digital
piano for years. Unlike analog recording and playing, MIDI files can be
readily edited for note errors, tempo changes, etc. The issue for me
has been in finding solo piano performances by folks other than myself.
There's lots of quality classical stuff and ragtime/piano roll
conversions free for download but not much in other music genres. I've
also found that the best MIDI files are those captured via live
performance (on a MIDI-capable piano) rather than composed using digital
audio workstation (DAW) software. The former captures the
nuances/keyboard technique of the performer while the latter often has a
mechanical sounding quality when played. Just a few thoughts. Sincerely,
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350703 is a reply to message #350282] |
Mon, 14 August 2017 08:58 |
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On 2017-08-08 20:26:06 +0000, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> said:
> I always like coding for vintage pleasure. But for MIDI... This is
> probably mainly for folks who want to play SID files on their MIDI
> capable keyboard synthesizers.
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> I myself was collecting MIDI files but that stopped in the end of the 90s
> already. Suppose it's kind of not used much anymore unless you are
> professional musician.
It is -massively- used.
What you're describing is playing via the cheap sound card General MIDI
patch-compatible sound cards, like the Waveblaster (Sounblaster with a
wavetable synth built in) or similar. But MIDI is sound-independent:
it's the score, the receipt, not the sound itself.
I would -love- to have a modern, up to date SID2MIDI. I work in Logic
on the Mac, run various SID emulation instruments like QuadraSID (now
discontinued sadly). If you're starting a remix, you can do a lot worse
than start from the original MIDI. Feed the original MIDI into a modern
emulation and start playing with the sounds - excellent.
Will take a look. Also holding out hope for a Mac version too if it's
at all possible.
Cheers,
Ian
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350758 is a reply to message #350703] |
Mon, 14 August 2017 17:04 |
Andreas Kohlbach
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 13:58:14 +0100, Ian McCall wrote:
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> On 2017-08-08 20:26:06 +0000, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> said:
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>> I always like coding for vintage pleasure. But for MIDI... This is
>> probably mainly for folks who want to play SID files on their MIDI
>> capable keyboard synthesizers.
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>> I myself was collecting MIDI files but that stopped in the end of the 90s
>> already. Suppose it's kind of not used much anymore unless you are
>> professional musician.
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> It is -massively- used.
I didn't doubt that. It's just the casual PC user does not. You need to
be interested in connecting instruments.
> What you're describing is playing via the cheap sound card General
> MIDI patch-compatible sound cards, like the Waveblaster (Sounblaster
> with a wavetable synth built in) or similar. But MIDI is
> sound-independent: it's the score, the receipt, not the sound itself.
No, I just mentioned that also casual users - like me - used MIDI back in
the 90s, before MP3 and higher bandwidth (and Napster ;-) kicked in. I
say MIDI used by the casual user was quickly abandoned in the very late 90s.
> I would -love- to have a modern, up to date SID2MIDI. I work in Logic
> on the Mac, run various SID emulation instruments like QuadraSID (now
> discontinued sadly). If you're starting a remix, you can do a lot
> worse than start from the original MIDI. Feed the original MIDI into a
> modern emulation and start playing with the sounds - excellent.
What about MIDI to SID? Should be even easier. You might have like 128
midi instruments defined in GM and could try to create sounds similar to
that with the SID. You could put the parameters for these sounds in a table
with other characteristics, like attack/decay/sustain/release. Then if
say instrument #1 (piano IIRC) is played in a MIDI look up the piano
sound for the SID from that table.
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Andreas
You know you are a redneck if
you come back from the dump with more than you took.
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350772 is a reply to message #350758] |
Mon, 14 August 2017 18:42 |
Daniel England
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Hello!
> What about MIDI to SID? Should be even easier. You might have like 128
> midi instruments defined in GM and could try to create sounds similar to
> that with the SID. You could put the parameters for these sounds in a table
> with other characteristics, like attack/decay/sustain/release. Then if
> say instrument #1 (piano IIRC) is played in a MIDI look up the piano
> sound for the SID from that table.
I have also developed a relatively extensible and very configurable MIDI To SID (XSID) program. At the moment it only does output to XSID reliably. I seem to have messed up the port of the SID Wizard converter. The SID Wizard converter is a little limited in comparison to the XSID converter, though. I guess it would be easier to play on the real machine however. Maybe someone can write an XSID player for HardSID?
@Ian: My XSIDToMIDI program is definitely a step up from SID2MIDw. Give it a try. I find doing multiple passes with different settings and combining those in my DAW gives really awesome results.
I've been looking into how do to a Linux and MacOS port but I just don't have the ability to port the C/C++ code library wrapper at the moment. Also, there seems to be an issue in the LZMA units when compiled with FPC/Lazarus. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Daniel.
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350804 is a reply to message #350758] |
Tue, 15 August 2017 10:15 |
Ian McCall
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On 2017-08-14 21:04:00 +0000, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> said:
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 13:58:14 +0100, Ian McCall wrote:
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>> What you're describing is playing via the cheap sound card General
>> MIDI patch-compatible sound cards, like the Waveblaster (Sounblaster
>> with a wavetable synth built in) or similar. But MIDI is
>> sound-independent: it's the score, the <recipe>, not the sound itself.
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> No, I just mentioned that also casual users - like me - used MIDI back in
> the 90s, before MP3 and higher bandwidth (and Napster ;-) kicked in. I
> say MIDI used by the casual user was quickly abandoned in the very late 90s.
That's fair enough - you would have used wavetable synths built into
the sound cards in the mid-90s, not "MIDI" as such. MIDI would have fed
those sound cards, but its the sound cards you're describing. It's more
true to say that listening to the built-in sound card synths were
abandoned, than it's true to say MIDI was abandoned, but really we're
splitting the thinnest of hairs here.
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>> I would -love- to have a modern, up to date SID2MIDI. I work in Logic
>> on the Mac, run various SID emulation instruments like QuadraSID (now
>> discontinued sadly). If you're starting a remix, you can do a lot
>> worse than start from the original MIDI. Feed the original MIDI into a
>> modern emulation and start playing with the sounds - excellent.
>
> What about MIDI to SID? Should be even easier. You might have like 128
> midi instruments defined in GM and could try to create sounds similar to
> that with the SID. You could put the parameters for these sounds in a table
> with other characteristics, like attack/decay/sustain/release. Then if
> say instrument #1 (piano IIRC) is played in a MIDI look up the piano
> sound for the SID from that table.
For me personally, the more interesting capability is definitely
SID->MIDI. Because then I can import the resulting track into Logic and
assign whatever instrument/effects I like, and also edit the
performance. In some cases that might be an emulation of a SID, but in
others I might decide it's time for an electric guitar, or some new
synth, or a vocal, or...<insert infinite possibilities here>.
If I can go into random HVSC SID track, export it to MIDI and use it as
a start for a remix then that's really, really useful to me.
Particularly if it includes the automation of the filters/envelopes.
Even if I don't want to do a full-blown authentic SID remix but just
want to practice some production techniques, having a fully made set of
tracks to start with is handy. My aim here isn't to produce accurate
SID tracks, it's to take SID tracks and produce new arrangement with
modern instruments (which may or may not include emulated SID in them -
after all, the SID was a good synth in its own right).
SID music is what got me into writing music in the first place - SID
and the BBC Radiophonic Workshop. I still use QuadraSID on almost every
track I do, often quite subtly so that unless you know you'd never
guess. Would be nice to be able to access the music direct and then
work with it myself.
Cheers,
Ian
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350805 is a reply to message #350772] |
Tue, 15 August 2017 10:16 |
Ian McCall
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On 2017-08-14 22:42:41 +0000, Daniel England <mewpokemon@hotmail.com> said:
> I've been looking into how do to a Linux and MacOS port but I just don't ha
> ve the ability to port the C/C++ code library wrapper at the moment. Also,
> there seems to be an issue in the LZMA units when compiled with FPC/Lazaru
> s. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Well - in ye olden days I was also a C/C++ coder though haven't been
actively coding in that language for some time now. Is it straight
compilation error or bugged functionality that results?
Cheers,
Ian
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350810 is a reply to message #350805] |
Tue, 15 August 2017 10:42 |
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> Well - in ye olden days I was also a C/C++ coder though haven't been
> actively coding in that language for some time now. Is it straight
> compilation error or bugged functionality that results?
No, the problem is that I've done some changes to ReSID and SIDPlay and written C DLL (library) wrappers for them using MSVC. I used to program in C/C++ but it was so long ago. When I did, I used Windows so using MSVC wasn't too much of a stretch... I need the wrappers because I've written the programs using Pascal (Delphi) and I need my versions because they have critical changes.
I need the wrappers to compile .so libraries for Linux and MacOS. So, I need to port the code to GCC. I don't really know how to do that. I'm investigating so I'll learn eventually but it would be nice if someone could help me.
BTW, if I'm going to weigh in on the MIDI usage thing, then I'd have to say that MIDI forms the backbone of almost all DAW software and therefore is used in almost every track out there now, just not in the hands of people who make light of it by playing it on their SoundBlaster.
There are still a lot of people who make their own backing tracks and you have to get the music in some form. MIDI has replaced sheet music in a way.
Daniel.
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350811 is a reply to message #350810] |
Tue, 15 August 2017 11:24 |
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On 2017-08-15 14:42:29 +0000, Daniel England <mewpokemon@hotmail.com> said:
> MIDI has replaced sheet music in a way.
My kids are learning instruments right now. I'm shocked at how bad my
score reading has become - I can barely do bass clef at all anymore,
and you can forget tenor.
I used to be pretty reasonable at sight-reading too. Just not a skill
I've needed for so long now.
Cheers,
Ian
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350819 is a reply to message #350810] |
Tue, 15 August 2017 15:13 |
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On 2017-08-15 14:42:29 +0000, Daniel England <mewpokemon@hotmail.com> said:
> I need the wrappers to compile .so libraries for Linux and MacOS. So, I ne
> ed to port the code to GCC. I don't really know how to do that. I'm inves
> tigating so I'll learn eventually but it would be nice if someone could hel
> p me.
Well - absolutely no promises because the last time I was a commercial
C++ programmer is around 15 years ago now, but have downloaded to take
a look.
I've also found this tool:
https://code.google.com/archive/p/make-it-so/. I have some Windows VM
somewhere so might be able to give it a shot.
Cheers,
Ian
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350820 is a reply to message #350819] |
Tue, 15 August 2017 15:35 |
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> Well - absolutely no promises because the last time I was a commercial
> C++ programmer is around 15 years ago now, but have downloaded to take
> a look.
If you can, that would be great.
> I've also found this tool:
> https://code.google.com/archive/p/make-it-so/. I have some Windows VM
> somewhere so might be able to give it a shot.
Dang, MakeItSo barfs on the project file because it was created with and I'm using MSVS 2013 (Express but I don't think it matters because it only supports 2010).
I'm sure the conversion is a simple one, I'm just not sure what decoration the __declspec(dllexport) and __declspec(dllimport) needs to change to and I guess how to fold that all together. There is no makefile, either and I really hate those.
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350824 is a reply to message #350820] |
Tue, 15 August 2017 17:26 |
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Hmm...
Okay, well, I've gotten a LibReSIDFP.DLL to compile using MSYS and MinGW. Its rather hideous though because you need a few other supporting DLLs and they are relatively huge.
Still, it works alright. For some reason, I couldn't get min to define correctly and I'm not sure how you enable the MMX intrinsics so I replaced the min call with the declaration (in two spots) and disabled MMX.
This is the command-line I used:
g++ -shared -I src -I src/resample -Wp,-DLIBRESIDFP_EXPORTS LibReSIDFP.cpp src/*.cpp src/resample/*.cpp -o LibReSIDFP.dll
I successfully used strip to reduce the size but its still twice the size of the MSVC version (not including the dependent DLLs but I'm guessing that the MSVC one relies on DLLs already included with Windows).
I had to change the way that LibReSIDFP.h managed the LIBRESIDFP_EXPORTS define and stdafx.h like so:
#ifdef _MSC_VER
#include "stdafx.h"
#endif
#include "siddefs-fp.h"
#ifdef LIBRESIDFP_EXPORTS
#ifdef _MSC_VER
#define LIBRESIDFP_API __declspec(dllexport)
#else
#define LIBRESIDFP_API __attribute__((__visibility__("default")))
#endif
#else
#ifdef _MSC_VER
#define LIBRESIDFP_API __declspec(dllimport)
#else
#define LIBRESIDFP_API
#endif
#endif
I guess for Linux and MacOS you change LibReSIDFP.dll with LibReSIDFP.so on the command-line.
I also had to remove the leading '_' in the import names in Pascal. For some reason, MSVC prepends a '_' for names in 32 bit but GCC does not.
I'm disappointed about the MMX intrinsics. Without them, the sound quality is degraded in the resampler.
I'll try LibSIDPlay.dll next.
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350825 is a reply to message #350824] |
Tue, 15 August 2017 18:01 |
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> I'll try LibSIDPlay.dll next.
Okay, got that to work as well. The command-line was:
g++ -shared -std=c++11 -I src -I src/dump -I src/c64 -I src/c64/Banks -I src/c64/CIA -I src/c64/VIC_II -I src/c64/CPU -I src/sidt
une -I src/utils/MD5 -Wp,-DLIBSIDPLAY_EXPORTS LibSIDPlay.cpp src/*.cpp src/dump/*.cpp src/c64/*.cpp src/c64/CIA/*.cpp src/c64/VIC_I
I/*.cpp src/c64/CPU/*.cpp src/sidtune/*.cpp src/utils/MD5/*.cpp -o LibSIDPlay.dll
Hideous, I know. Interesting that not all of the files are required, though. I got some errors about static initialisations so had to include the -std=c++11 switch but then also got some warnings about auto_ptr being deprecated. I hate C/C++, did I mention?
Anyway, again the header was changed with the following:
#ifdef LIBSIDPLAY_EXPORTS
#ifdef _MSC_VER
#define LIBSIDPLAY_API __declspec(dllexport)
#else
#define LIBSIDPLAY_API __attribute__((__visibility__("default")))
#endif
#else
#ifdef _MSC_VER
#define LIBSIDPLAY_API __declspec(dllimport)
#else
#define LIBSIDPLAY_API
#endif
#endif
I'll try porting the code to FPC/Lazarus again and see if I still have issues with the LZMA units. This may take some time.
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350829 is a reply to message #350282] |
Tue, 15 August 2017 19:24 |
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On 2017-08-15 20:52:41 +0000, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> said:
> Okay, you're right. May be I was under the impression the SID2MIDI was
> mainly thought to be used for playing MIDI one's PC. Like we did in the
> 90s. :-)
Soundblasters were built for playing the music from Doom. And if you
splurged for the Soundblaster 64, you got better music from Doom.
I'm sure I used my PC for -something- else in the 90s, but what it
might have been escapes me right now.
Cheers,
ian
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350830 is a reply to message #350825] |
Tue, 15 August 2017 19:34 |
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Heyas!
> I'll try porting the code to FPC/Lazarus again and see if I still have issues with the LZMA units. This may take some time.
So, now I have compiled and working version of the XSID Player with Lazarus/FPC and GCC (MinGW).
Its still on Windows... I've compiled the .so libraries on Linux now (they needed further changes which I'll give below). I need to update the OpenAL "plugin" for the player in order to port it to Linux. It got out of date and I was no longer supporting it because there was no reason to.
Umm... I needed this for the libraries to compile on Linux (defined in the appropriate library header files):
#ifndef _MSC_VER
#define __stdcall __attribute__((stdcall))
#endif
I haven't got it all working on Linux yet so I'm not certain of what is really needed there. I'm working on it.
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350838 is a reply to message #350830] |
Tue, 15 August 2017 23:41 |
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> I haven't got it all working on Linux yet so I'm not certain of what is
> really needed there. I'm working on it.
*GRRR*
I've managed to compile everything on Linux now. It seems I need a shared .a file not a .so with the way I'm trying to use the library. Its probably not going to last though because as far as I know, I need to use something else on MacOS.
However, my problem is that only the dump writer output is working. It seems that there is a problem playing audio with my VM host. I'm looking into it now.
Daniel.
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350839 is a reply to message #350838] |
Tue, 15 August 2017 23:59 |
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> However, my problem is that only the dump writer output is working. It
> seems that there is a problem playing audio with my VM host. I'm looking
> into it now.
*Whew* Yes, it was a problem with the host and the XSID Player is now working on Linux. But only in 32 bits... I'm sure that there would be a problem trying 64 bit so I'm not going to at this point.
The next step is getting the SID Convert program running. It is going to require a bit of reworking because it does drag-drop at the moment for adding files and I'm pretty certain that it won't work.
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350864 is a reply to message #350839] |
Wed, 16 August 2017 15:22 |
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On 2017-08-16 03:59:23 +0000, Daniel England <mewpokemon@hotmail.com> said:
>> However, my problem is that only the dump writer output is working. It
>> seems that there is a problem playing audio with my VM host. I'm looking
>> into it now.
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> *Whew* Yes, it was a problem with the host and the XSID Player is now
> working on Linux. But only in 32 bits... I'm sure that there would be
> a problem trying 64 bit so I'm not going to at this point.
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> The next step is getting the SID Convert program running. It is going
> to require a bit of reworking because it does drag-drop at the moment
> for adding files and I'm pretty certain that it won't work.
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> Daniel.
Excellent - very much appreciated with all the work. Happy to help on
the Mac if I can.
32 bits - High Sierra starts to deprecate 32 bits but I seem to
remember it's three OS versions before it finally kills it.
Cheers,
Ian
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350870 is a reply to message #350839] |
Wed, 16 August 2017 18:40 |
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 20:59:23 -0700 (PDT), Daniel England wrote:
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>> However, my problem is that only the dump writer output is working. It
>> seems that there is a problem playing audio with my VM host. I'm looking
>> into it now.
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> *Whew* Yes, it was a problem with the host and the XSID Player is now
> working on Linux. But only in 32 bits... I'm sure that there would
> be a problem trying 64 bit so I'm not going to at this point.
I have a 32bit Linux (PAE, but shouldn't matter) running here. If all is
sorted out please point me to source files and I could try to compile it.
As for MMX I wouldn't worry and just exclude it. Processors should be
fast enough today to not really need that, no? And how long can a
conversion take anyway?
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you consider a good tan to be the back of of your neck and the left arm
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350893 is a reply to message #350870] |
Thu, 17 August 2017 02:58 |
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Heya!
> I have a 32bit Linux (PAE, but shouldn't matter) running here. If all is
> sorted out please point me to source files and I could try to compile it.
I have 32 bit versions working on Linux now. I will upload once we sort out the last few issues on MacOS. I'd like to refactor and consolidate the source files into something a little less of a mess, too.
The 32 bit version doesn't seem to work on 64 bit Linux. I don't know if that's normal or not. It may be a little while until I have 64 bit versions working. There were some show-stopper problems last time I tried (for the Linux and MacOS versions, at least).
> As for MMX I wouldn't worry and just exclude it. Processors should be
> fast enough today to not really need that, no? And how long can a
> conversion take anyway?
I'm having to exclude it on Linux and MacOS. The worry is the loss of some quality in the ReSID resampler affecting playback and WAV dumps. I personally can't really notice, though.
It would be nice if the ReSID guys converted the MMX code to SSE.
The conversions are moving along. I forgot to keep the list updated. Sorry!
Daniel.
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| New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350913 is a reply to message #350893] |
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Originally posted by: nospam.mark.lewis
On 2017 Aug 16 23:58:04, you wrote to All:
DE> The 32 bit version doesn't seem to work on 64 bit Linux.
on linux, you can have
1. pure 32bit
2. pure 64bit
3. combination of 32bit and 64bit
#3 is generally known as "multiarch" on debian based systems, IIRC... that's
where you have both 32bit and 64bit libs... it used to be ia32 but that was
phased out for multiarch which made working with and supporting 32bit apps on a
64bit system much easier to handle...
if you can't run 32bit programs on your linux, you probably have a pure 64bit
system... if you are on a debian based system, you may be able to install the
multiarch stuff... being able to compile a 32bit program and being able to run
it are two different things... the 32bit libs generally have something like
":i386" as part of their package name...
eg: libc6:i386, libncurses5:i386, and libstdc++6:i386
you might try this google search and see if you can find more info...
https://www.google.com/search?q=64bit+linux+32bit+programs
)\/(ark
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350930 is a reply to message #350893] |
Thu, 17 August 2017 16:54 |
Andreas Kohlbach
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 23:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Daniel England wrote:
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>> I have a 32bit Linux (PAE, but shouldn't matter) running here. If all is
>> sorted out please point me to source files and I could try to compile it.
>
> I have 32 bit versions working on Linux now. I will upload once we
> sort out the last few issues on MacOS. I'd like to refactor and
> consolidate the source files into something a little less of a mess,
> too.
No need that I do it then. You likely have more experience with compilers and
coding than I have. Still I offer to have a look into it if there are problems.
[...]
>> As for MMX I wouldn't worry and just exclude it. Processors should be
>> fast enough today to not really need that, no? And how long can a
>> conversion take anyway?
>
> I'm having to exclude it on Linux and MacOS. The worry is the loss of
> some quality in the ReSID resampler affecting playback and WAV dumps.
> I personally can't really notice, though.
Umm. MMX is - viewed from a distance - something like a
math-co-processor, no? So it just speeds things up. It might just take
[very little time] longer without MMX. But the end product (the MIDI made
from a SID) should be the same otherwise.
--
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you entire family has ever sat around waiting for a call from the governor
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #350974 is a reply to message #350930] |
Fri, 18 August 2017 03:03 |
Daniel England
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> No need that I do it then. You likely have more experience with compilers
> and coding than I have. Still I offer to have a look into it if there are > problems.
NP, thanks :)
> Umm. MMX is - viewed from a distance - something like a
> math-co-processor, no? So it just speeds things up. It might just take
> [very little time] longer without MMX. But the end product (the MIDI made
> from a SID) should be the same otherwise.
Yes... The problem here is that they've implemented a interpolation resampling algorithm in MMX without a "pure code" equivalent. So, when I turn off MMX, I lose the interpolation.
The SID is so "gritty" anyway that it hardly makes any difference but it is a shame.
Oh and yes, there is no difference for the MIDI output. Its just the WAV output and play-back that's affected. The MMX code is in the ReSID library, not in the applications.
BTW, I'm in the process of a code clean-up. Ian didn't get back to me "today" so no further progress on the MacOS port. Hopefully he'll be able to work on it "tomorrow" (we're in different time zones).
Daniel.
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #351096 is a reply to message #350974] |
Sun, 20 August 2017 02:02 |
Daniel England
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*Whew*
I've consolidated the code base and now have support for 32 bit (x86) Linux for all but MIDIToSID (which I will fix soon) and XSIDList (soon to be released).
I haven't got any new progress on the MacOS port. If anyone is able to look into this, I'd be willing to provide as much help as I can. I presently don't have a Mac so am unable to do the port myself. It should be relatively simple to do, however.
I'll be attempting to port to 64 bit (x64) shortly.
Enjoy!
Daniel.
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #351111 is a reply to message #351096] |
Sun, 20 August 2017 15:15 |
Daniel England
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Heyas!
> I'll be attempting to port to 64 bit (x64) shortly.
I've fixed the problems preventing a 64 bit compilation. I'm working on building the tools in 64 bits.
I also found that my documentation is missing some vital hints.
I'll update the repository shortly. I need a few hours break, first.
Daniel.
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #351112 is a reply to message #351096] |
Sun, 20 August 2017 15:17 |
Daniel England
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Errmm.. In case it didn't send properly...
Heyas!
> I'll be attempting to port to 64 bit (x64) shortly.
I've fixed the problems preventing a 64 bit compilation. I'm working on building the tools in 64 bits.
I also found that my documentation is missing some vital hints.
I'll update the repository shortly. I need a few hours break, first.
Daniel.
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #351121 is a reply to message #351112] |
Sun, 20 August 2017 21:45 |
Daniel England
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> I'll update the repository shortly. I need a few hours break, first.
Alrighty!
Platform x64 is now supported for Linux and Windows.
I must mention that I realised that I have compiled Windows versions with support for OpenAL. If you don't have it installed, you won't have any troubles AFAIK, so long as you don't try to use it. But this is unconfirmed. If someone could test this for me, I'd be very happy.
On the other hand, it bugs me that it could be a problem, so I'll probably fix it and remove the support for OpenAL on Windows.
Daniel.
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| Re: New SID to MIDI conversion tool [message #351122 is a reply to message #351121] |
Sun, 20 August 2017 21:51 |
Daniel England
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> On the other hand, it bugs me that it could be a problem, so I'll probably
> fix it and remove the support for OpenAL on Windows.
I realised I should test it myself and yes, it is a problem. Damn.
I'll compile Windows versions without support for OpenAL in the standard distribution.
Apologies!
Daniel.
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