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WPA/WPA2 or 802.11g on OS 9? [message #342288] Wed, 10 May 2017 18:47 Go to next message
Andrew Kershaw is currently offline  Andrew Kershaw
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My memory is a little rusty here. I seem to remember that there were no compatible 11g or WPA/WPA2-capable CardBus cards for Mac OS 9. Is that right? Did any of the 3rd party (IOXperts, MacSense, or OEM) drivers work on OS 9? I suddenly find myself wanting to get an old PowerBook on WiFi again, but my network has moved on to WPA2, and I don't want to turn off that protection. Also, I don't have any legacy WEP compatible 11b routers around anymore...

Alternatively, I do have an original white UFO AirPort Extreme I can configure for 11b/g with WEP, but it keeps complaining about double NAT. Is there any way to get the AirPort software to shut up about that?

Thanks!
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Re: WPA/WPA2 or 802.11g on OS 9? [message #342289 is a reply to message #342288] Wed, 10 May 2017 20:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On May 10, 2017, at 3:47 PM, Andrew Kershaw <alk@mac.com<mailto:alk@mac.com>> wrote:

My memory is a little rusty here. I seem to remember that there were no compatible 11g or WPA/WPA2-capable CardBus cards for Mac OS 9. Is that right? Did any of the 3rd party (IOXperts, MacSense, or OEM) drivers work on OS 9? I suddenly find myself wanting to get an old PowerBook on WiFi again, but my network has moved on to WPA2, and I don't want to turn off that protection. Also, I don't have any legacy WEP compatible 11b routers around anymore…

No, I know there were ones, I had one in my Pismo I cannot remember the brand name, though. It was flaky anyway.

I know later built-in Airport cards, like in the G4’s supported WPA and WPA2 in OS 9, and even the older pcmcia cards could be updated to support WPA, just not 11G, because I used them to connect to our work WiFi which was a WPA2 variant. IIRC only the very earliest Airport Cards did not support WPA.


11g is speed, WPA is encryption/comms protocol…they’re separate things.

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Re: WPA/WPA2 or 802.11g on OS 9? [message #342290 is a reply to message #342289] Wed, 10 May 2017 23:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks, Bruce.

I'm not deliberately conflating 11g with WPA, but the two go hand-in-hand frequently as hardware that supports WPA is also generally 11g or faster. WPA didn't exist when 11b was published and hardware that was 11b-only was shipping.

I didn't realize that AirPort cards were firmware upgradeable to WPA encryption. I thought OS 9 (AirPort 2.0.4) was also strictly WEP only. Do you have to use OS X for that? Do you recall the upgrade process?

I think I knew all this back in the day when I was still actively working on ClassicStumbler... ;-)

Thanks!
Andrew

> On May 10, 2017, at 6:18 PM, Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU> wrote:
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>> On May 10, 2017, at 3:47 PM, Andrew Kershaw <alk@mac.com> wrote:
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>> My memory is a little rusty here. I seem to remember that there were no compatible 11g or WPA/WPA2-capable CardBus cards for Mac OS 9. Is that right? Did any of the 3rd party (IOXperts, MacSense, or OEM) drivers work on OS 9? I suddenly find myself wanting to get an old PowerBook on WiFi again, but my network has moved on to WPA2, and I don't want to turn off that protection. Also, I don't have any legacy WEP compatible 11b routers around anymore…
>
> No, I know there were ones, I had one in my Pismo I cannot remember the brand name, though. It was flaky anyway.
>
> I know later built-in Airport cards, like in the G4’s supported WPA and WPA2 in OS 9, and even the older pcmcia cards could be updated to support WPA, just not 11G, because I used them to connect to our work WiFi which was a WPA2 variant. IIRC only the very earliest Airport Cards did not support WPA.
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> 11g is speed, WPA is encryption/comms protocol…they’re separate things.
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Re: WPA/WPA2 or 802.11g on OS 9? [message #342291 is a reply to message #342290] Thu, 11 May 2017 01:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> On 11 mag 2017, at 05:24, Andrew Kershaw <alk@mac.com> wrote:
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> Thanks, Bruce.
>
> I'm not deliberately conflating 11g with WPA, but the two go hand-in-hand frequently as hardware that supports WPA is also generally 11g or faster. WPA didn't exist when 11b was published and hardware that was 11b-only was shipping.
>
> I didn't realize that AirPort cards were firmware upgradeable to WPA encryption. I thought OS 9 (AirPort 2.0.4) was also strictly WEP only. Do you have to use OS X for that? Do you recall the upgrade process?
>
> I think I knew all this back in the day when I was still actively working on ClassicStumbler... ;-)
>
> Thanks!
> Andrew
>
>> On May 10, 2017, at 6:18 PM, Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU> wrote:
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>>> On May 10, 2017, at 3:47 PM, Andrew Kershaw <alk@mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> My memory is a little rusty here. I seem to remember that there were no compatible 11g or WPA/WPA2-capable CardBus cards for Mac OS 9. Is that right? Did any of the 3rd party (IOXperts, MacSense, or OEM) drivers work on OS 9? I suddenly find myself wanting to get an old PowerBook on WiFi again, but my network has moved on to WPA2, and I don't want to turn off that protection. Also, I don't have any legacy WEP compatible 11b routers around anymore…
>>
>> No, I know there were ones, I had one in my Pismo I cannot remember the brand name, though. It was flaky anyway.
>>
>> I know later built-in Airport cards, like in the G4’s supported WPA and WPA2 in OS 9, and even the older pcmcia cards could be updated to support WPA, just not 11G, because I used them to connect to our work WiFi which was a WPA2 variant. IIRC only the very earliest Airport Cards did not support WPA.
>>
>>
>> 11g is speed, WPA is encryption/comms protocol…they’re separate things.
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Re: WPA/WPA2 or 802.11g on OS 9? [message #342292 is a reply to message #342290] Thu, 11 May 2017 10:10 Go to previous message
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> I didn't realize that AirPort cards were firmware upgradeable to WPA encryption. I thought OS 9 (AirPort 2.0.4) was also strictly WEP only. Do you have to use OS X for that? Do you recall the upgrade process?
>

I must be mis-remembering, because Beniamino’s site brings back a lot of stuff I’d forgotten. I do remember, in my case, the 802.11g card I got or the OS 9 drivers supported WPA Personal not WPA Enterprise, which they had implemented on our new campus WiFi, so I never did use it much. I long long ago sold the Pismo, and I’m pretty sure the card went with it. You might have luck with some USB adapters, though getting OS 9 support would be seriously iffy.

> I think I knew all this back in the day when I was still actively working on ClassicStumbler... ;-)

Pretty sure I did, too 8-P


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