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ctrl-@[\]^_ issue in AppleWin [message #341599] Thu, 13 April 2017 13:14 Go to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: Brian Patrie

In AppleWin 1.26.1.1 (as well as the previous versions that i tried),
under Wine 1.6.2, i can't type ^@, or ^_; ^[, ^\, and ^] require shift;
and ^^ is only on ctrl-~.

If memory serves, we should be able to get any of these, shifted or not
(except for ctrl-~), on their respective keys, including ^@ on ctrl-`.

--Brian
Re: ctrl-@[\]^_ issue in AppleWin [message #341636 is a reply to message #341599] Fri, 14 April 2017 11:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael AppleWin Debu is currently offline  Michael AppleWin Debu
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On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 10:14:31 AM UTC-7, Brian Patrie wrote:
> In AppleWin 1.26.1.1 (as well as the previous versions that i tried),
> under Wine 1.6.2, i can't type ^@, or ^_; ^[, ^\, and ^] require shift;
> and ^^ is only on ctrl-~.
>
> If memory serves, we should be able to get any of these, shifted or not
> (except for ctrl-~), on their respective keys, including ^@ on ctrl-`.
>
> --Brian

Brian, a couple of questions:

* Which OS are you running Wine under?
* Which version of Wine are you running?

The reason I ask is because running this program on Windows ...

300:AD 00 C0
303:10 FB
305:8D 10 C0
308:8D 80 04
30B:20 DA FD
30E:A9 04
310:85 29
312:A9 00
314:85 24
316:85 25
318:85 28
31A:4C 00 03

I'm seeing all the keys working:

* 80 ^@ Ctrl-Shift-2
* 9B ^[ Ctrl-[
* 9C ^\ Ctrl-]
* 9D ^] Ctrl-]
* 9E ^^ Ctrl-Shift-6
* 9F ^_ Ctrl-Shift--

I _do_ know that the Ctrl-# keys were being reserved on OSX -- I had to go under ...

Apple Menu > System Preferences > Keyboard > Shortcuts

.... before Wine would see them. Let me see OSX's Wine + AppleWin reports ...

Maybe it is a Wine bug?

Michael
Re: ctrl-@[\]^_ issue in AppleWin [message #341637 is a reply to message #341636] Fri, 14 April 2017 11:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael AppleWin Debu is currently offline  Michael AppleWin Debu
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Hmm, OSX 10.10.x and wine-1.8.1 (guess I should upgrade to 2.x) ...

Works:

* Ctrl-[
* Ctrl-\
* Ctrl-]
* Ctrl-_

Doesn't work:

* Ctrl-Shift-2
* Ctrl-Shift-6

I'll try to fire up my Linux box tomorrow and see what Applewin + Wine reports there ...
Re: ctrl-@[\]^_ issue in AppleWin [message #341678 is a reply to message #341636] Sat, 15 April 2017 03:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Brian Patrie

On 2017-04-14 10:21, Michael AppleWin Debugger Dev wrote:
> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 10:14:31 AM UTC-7, Brian Patrie wrote:
>> In AppleWin 1.26.1.1 (as well as the previous versions that i tried),
>> under Wine 1.6.2, i can't type ^@, or ^_; ^[, ^\, and ^] require shift;
>> and ^^ is only on ctrl-~.
>>
>> If memory serves, we should be able to get any of these, shifted or not
>> (except for ctrl-~), on their respective keys, including ^@ on ctrl-`.
>>
>> --Brian
>
> Brian, a couple of questions:
>
> * Which OS are you running Wine under?
> * Which version of Wine are you running?
>
> The reason I ask is because running this program on Windows ...
>
> 300:AD 00 C0
> 303:10 FB
> 305:8D 10 C0
> 308:8D 80 04
> 30B:20 DA FD
> 30E:A9 04
> 310:85 29
> 312:A9 00
> 314:85 24
> 316:85 25
> 318:85 28
> 31A:4C 00 03
>
> I'm seeing all the keys working:
>
> * 80 ^@ Ctrl-Shift-2
> * 9B ^[ Ctrl-[
> * 9C ^\ Ctrl-]
> * 9D ^] Ctrl-]
> * 9E ^^ Ctrl-Shift-6
> * 9F ^_ Ctrl-Shift--
>
> I _do_ know that the Ctrl-# keys were being reserved on OSX -- I had to go under ...
>
> Apple Menu > System Preferences > Keyboard > Shortcuts
>
> ... before Wine would see them. Let me see OSX's Wine + AppleWin reports ...
>
> Maybe it is a Wine bug?
>
> Michael

Wine 1.6.2, under Linux Mint 17.3 Cinnamon.

Nothing seems to be catching the keys before Wine; KEGS32 gets them.

--Brian
Re: ctrl-@[\]^_ issue in Wine 1.6.2, under Linux Mint 17.3 Cinnamon [message #341724 is a reply to message #341678] Sat, 15 April 2017 20:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bill Buckels is currently offline  Bill Buckels
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"Brian Patrie" <bpatrie@bellsouth.spamisicky.net> wrote:
> Wine 1.6.2, under Linux Mint 17.3 Cinnamon.

AppleWin has no issue then when running in Windows? I didn't think so since
mine works under Windows XP, Windows 7, and Windows 10.

So I conclude that the thread should be a Wine issue and does not belong in
comp.emulators.apple2...

Or did I miss something? Mint Jelly on Cinnamon Toast!

Bill
Re: ctrl-@[\]^_ issue in Wine 1.6.2, under Linux Mint 17.3 Cinnamon [message #341729 is a reply to message #341724] Sun, 16 April 2017 01:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael AppleWin Debu is currently offline  Michael AppleWin Debu
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Well technically, (officially?) we don't support Wine but if people are running into Wine bugs I have no problem them being in this newsgroup -- as that provides a consolidated point of reference that we can forward to the Wine guys to fix.
Re: ctrl-@[\]^_ issue in Wine 1.6.2, under Linux Mint 17.3 Cinnamon [message #341756 is a reply to message #341729] Sun, 16 April 2017 08:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Brian Patrie

On 2017-04-16 00:06, Michael AppleWin Debugger Dev wrote:
> Well technically, (officially?) we don't support Wine but if people are running into Wine bugs I have no problem them being in this newsgroup -- as that provides a consolidated point of reference that we can forward to the Wine guys to fix.

Thanks for being kind to us weirdos who run AppleWin in unplanned ways.
For not being officially supported, it runs pretty well. :)
Re: ctrl-@[\]^_ issue in Wine 1.6.2, under Linux Mint 17.3 Cinnamon [message #341786 is a reply to message #341756] Sun, 16 April 2017 14:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael AppleWin Debu is currently offline  Michael AppleWin Debu
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There is nothing weird about wanting to be free of the tryanny of Microshaft and valuing liberty.

Heck, this year I find myself more often then not running AppleWin under OSX + Wine more then Windows. The annoyances of Wine are starting to add up.
Re: ctrl-@[\]^_ issue in Wine 1.6.2, under Linux Mint 17.3 Cinnamon [message #341795 is a reply to message #341786] Sun, 16 April 2017 18:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steve Nickolas is currently offline  Steve Nickolas
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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017, Michael AppleWin Debugger Dev wrote:

> There is nothing weird about wanting to be free of the tryanny of
> Microshaft and valuing liberty.
>
> Heck, this year I find myself more often then not running AppleWin under
> OSX + Wine more then Windows. The annoyances of Wine are starting to
> add up.

All the more reason it would be nice to be able to isolate the core from
WinAPI and VS, so a *x version could be made from the same source tree. ;)

-uso.
Re: ctrl-@[\]^_ issue in Wine 1.6.2, under Linux Mint 17.3 Cinnamon [message #341881 is a reply to message #341795] Mon, 17 April 2017 13:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Richard Thiebaud is currently offline  Richard Thiebaud
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On 04/16/2017 06:55 PM, Steve Nickolas wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017, Michael AppleWin Debugger Dev wrote:
>
>> There is nothing weird about wanting to be free of the tryanny of
>> Microshaft and valuing liberty.
>>
>> Heck, this year I find myself more often then not running AppleWin
>> under OSX + Wine more then Windows. The annoyances of Wine are
>> starting to add up.
>
> All the more reason it would be nice to be able to isolate the core from
> WinAPI and VS, so a *x version could be made from the same source tree. ;)
>
> -uso.
Has anyone used LinApple?
Re: ctrl-@[\]^_ issue in Wine 1.6.2, under Linux Mint 17.3 Cinnamon [message #341915 is a reply to message #341881] Mon, 17 April 2017 18:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steve Nickolas is currently offline  Steve Nickolas
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, Richard Thiebaud wrote:

> On 04/16/2017 06:55 PM, Steve Nickolas wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017, Michael AppleWin Debugger Dev wrote:
>>
>>> There is nothing weird about wanting to be free of the tryanny of
>>> Microshaft and valuing liberty.
>>>
>>> Heck, this year I find myself more often then not running AppleWin
>>> under OSX + Wine more then Windows. The annoyances of Wine are
>>> starting to add up.
>>
>> All the more reason it would be nice to be able to isolate the core from
>> WinAPI and VS, so a *x version could be made from the same source tree. ;)
>>
>> -uso.
> Has anyone used LinApple?
>

Yeah, but it can't necessarily benefit automatically from advances in
AppleWin.

That said it isn't bad by any means for what it is.

-uso.
Re: ctrl-@[\]^_ issue in Wine 1.6.2, under Linux Mint 17.3 Cinnamon [message #341930 is a reply to message #341915] Mon, 17 April 2017 19:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Richard Thiebaud is currently offline  Richard Thiebaud
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On 04/17/2017 06:08 PM, Steve Nickolas wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, Richard Thiebaud wrote:
>
>> On 04/16/2017 06:55 PM, Steve Nickolas wrote:
>>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017, Michael AppleWin Debugger Dev wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is nothing weird about wanting to be free of the tryanny of
>>>> Microshaft and valuing liberty.
>>>>
>>>> Heck, this year I find myself more often then not running AppleWin
>>>> under OSX + Wine more then Windows. The annoyances of Wine are
>>>> starting to add up.
>>>
>>> All the more reason it would be nice to be able to isolate the core from
>>> WinAPI and VS, so a *x version could be made from the same source
>>> tree. ;)
>>>
>>> -uso.
>> Has anyone used LinApple?
>>
>
> Yeah, but it can't necessarily benefit automatically from advances in
> AppleWin.
>
> That said it isn't bad by any means for what it is.
>
> -uso.
What would be nice would be to have an SDL version of AppleWin.
Re: ctrl-@[\]^_ issue in Wine 1.6.2, under Linux Mint 17.3 Cinnamon [message #341959 is a reply to message #341930] Tue, 18 April 2017 07:56 Go to previous message
Michael AppleWin Debu is currently offline  Michael AppleWin Debu
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That's one of my long term goals for AppleWin. The problem is that this requires a rewrite -- and I have too many other projects that are higher priority.

That's what LinApple is -- except it had too many architecture changes / breakage for us to merge back into AppleWin. i.e. There is no debugger. Now that we're using Git we should probably start a SDL branch at some point.
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