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Quadra 700 [message #31662] Sat, 05 January 2013 17:02 Go to next message
Robert Hesson is currently offline  Robert Hesson
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I have a quadra 700 that I intend to use in a friendly wager against a friend... We read an article about a golf pro using 20 year old equipment to see how much golf technology has changed.

I wagered I could survive a week with my quadra 700 (which I still use for games, etc) and he said he could survive with his wintel 486 for a week.

I plan to use it for actual work... I have office installed, I have email figured out, and I still have old versions of photoshop and illustrator so I don't need to go back to my new Mac for anything... Only problem is what can I use for a web browser that will sort of work well now days? I have a 4 gig hard drive and 68mb ram so everything runs well... Just need to solve this Internet browsing problem.

Any ideas for what I could do?

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31663 is a reply to message #31662] Sat, 05 January 2013 17:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Classilla?

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On Jan 5, 2013, at 17:02, Robert Hesson <rhesson82@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a quadra 700 that I intend to use in a friendly wager against a friend... We read an article about a golf pro using 20 year old equipment to see how much golf technology has changed.

>

> I wagered I could survive a week with my quadra 700 (which I still use for games, etc) and he said he could survive with his wintel 486 for a week.

>

> I plan to use it for actual work... I have office installed, I have email figured out, and I still have old versions of photoshop and illustrator so I don't need to go back to my new Mac for anything... Only problem is what can I use for a web browser that will sort of work well now days? I have a 4 gig hard drive and 68mb ram so everything runs well... Just need to solve this Internet browsing problem.

>

> Any ideas for what I could do?

>

> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31664 is a reply to message #31662] Sat, 05 January 2013 17:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What OS are you running? I've taken a 3400 running 7.1 online with a very
old IE and a Lombard with Classilla under OS9. Both were much happier with
mobile versions of sites, obviously.

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31665 is a reply to message #31662] Sat, 05 January 2013 17:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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hi robert.

i've had a similar idea and so i arranged a second workspace with a quadra 700, too ;-)
the 950 would be more powerful for graphic stuff, but it's too loud (for 2012-ears).
everything is fine, but surfing is'nt fun with a 68k-machine. i'm using wannabe for „fast“,
text-only searches and icab 2.99 for visual browsing.

best regards,
jan


Am 05.01.2013 um 23:02 schrieb Robert Hesson:

> I have a quadra 700 that I intend to use in a friendly wager against a friend... We read an article about a golf pro using 20 year old equipment to see how much golf technology has changed.

>

> I wagered I could survive a week with my quadra 700 (which I still use for games, etc) and he said he could survive with his wintel 486 for a week.

>

> I plan to use it for actual work... I have office installed, I have email figured out, and I still have old versions of photoshop and illustrator so I don't need to go back to my new Mac for anything... Only problem is what can I use for a web browser that will sort of work well now days? I have a 4 gig hard drive and 68mb ram so everything runs well... Just need to solve this Internet browsing problem.

>

> Any ideas for what I could do?

>

> Sent from my iPhone


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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31666 is a reply to message #31664] Sat, 05 January 2013 17:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Classilla is a winner, I have mine set to emulate iOS browsing rather than the default Nokia. Works well.

Sent from my iPad

On 5 Jan 2013, at 22:31, Sarah Crabbleapple <crabbleapple@gmail.com> wrote:

> What OS are you running? I've taken a 3400 running 7.1 online with a very old IE and a Lombard with Classilla under OS9. Both were much happier with mobile versions of sites, obviously.

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31667 is a reply to message #31664] Sat, 05 January 2013 17:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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System 7.5.5. I have another external drive running 8.1, but it runs best with 7.5.5.

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On Jan 5, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Sarah Crabbleapple <crabbleapple@gmail.com> wrote:

> What OS are you running? I've taken a 3400 running 7.1 online with a very old IE and a Lombard with Classilla under OS9. Both were much happier with mobile versions of sites, obviously.

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31668 is a reply to message #31667] Sat, 05 January 2013 18:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hello,

--- On Sat, 1/5/13, Robert Hesson <rhesson82@gmail.com> wrote:

> System 7.5.5.

> I have another external drive running 8.1, but it runs

> best with 7.5.5.


I'm sorry to hear that, seeing as how 8.5 seems to be the bare-bones minimum that Classilla will run under, with 9.1. being the recommended minimum:

> Classilla requires any Power Macintosh with at least 64MB of RAM (virtual >or physical), 50MB of free hard disk space and MacOS 8.6 or higher. A G3 >processor with 128MB of physical RAM and OS 9.1 is the recommended >minimum. (Although Classilla will run on OS 8.5, due to various bugs in >that version we strongly advise updating to OS 8.6.)


http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/releases/

Is your 700 stock? Or does it have a PPC upgrade installed? If the latter, you -might- try running Classilla following the advice for low memory:

http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/releases/#lowmemo ry

Does the wager start next week? I ask because if you have a couple of days to prepare, you might try the LEM Swap List and see if anyone is willing to sell you a PPC upgrade (I have no idea how rare they are/n't).

Not sure if you want to sink any money into the machine, though.


Best,

James Fraser

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31669 is a reply to message #31668] Sat, 05 January 2013 19:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't think the quadra can run anything over 8.1? Never tried though.

Wager starts in two weeks.

I've had the machine since 1993 and don't think there is too much left to add to it.

It currently has:

Radius VideoVision Studio NuBus video editing card.

FWB scsi jackhammer NuBus card

68mb ram

2mb VRAM

Apple adjustable keyboard (with pads and number pad) original bus mouse

Apple 16" color display

Apple external cd 300e caddy cd rom

Sonnet quad doubler.

Apple color onescanner

Iomega zip 100 drive

Syquest ez flyer 230

Iomega Jaz 2 GB


It runs very well - other than the web browser issue.

I still use it for work stuff now and then... Like working with fonts (fontographer)

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 5, 2013, at 5:26 PM, James Fraser <wheresthatistanbul-pcilist@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hello,

>

> --- On Sat, 1/5/13, Robert Hesson <rhesson82@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> System 7.5.5.

>> I have another external drive running 8.1, but it runs

>> best with 7.5.5.

>

> I'm sorry to hear that, seeing as how 8.5 seems to be the bare-bones minimum that Classilla will run under, with 9.1. being the recommended minimum:

>

>> Classilla requires any Power Macintosh with at least 64MB of RAM (virtual >or physical), 50MB of free hard disk space and MacOS 8.6 or higher. A G3 >processor with 128MB of physical RAM and OS 9.1 is the recommended >minimum. (Although Classilla will run on OS 8.5, due to various bugs in >that version we strongly advise updating to OS 8.6.)

>

> http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/releases/

>

> Is your 700 stock? Or does it have a PPC upgrade installed? If the latter, you -might- try running Classilla following the advice for low memory:

>

> http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/releases/#lowmemo ry

>

> Does the wager start next week? I ask because if you have a couple of days to prepare, you might try the LEM Swap List and see if anyone is willing to sell you a PPC upgrade (I have no idea how rare they are/n't).

>

> Not sure if you want to sink any money into the machine, though.

>

>

> Best,

>

> James Fraser

>

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31670 is a reply to message #31669] Sat, 05 January 2013 19:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I tended to keep both Netscape 4 and the last 68k version of iCab on my
68k boxes. Both of them I'd keep Javascript disabled. A lot of mobile
sites worked fine, and it was somewhat usable. With Javascript enabled
they tended to either crash a lot, break websites worse, or just stall
the whole machine for minutes at a time. iCab looked better and tended
to do sites better when it worked, but it was slower and crashier. What
tended to happen was iCab would lock up the whole machine for several
minutes while rendering, while Netscape 4 would take longer to render
but leave the system functional.

I have to say that if your buddy is a computer guy, you may be in for
some trouble. A 486 even on Windows 98 will still run versions of
Firefox and Office XP new enough to interoperate with modern stuff
completely fine, at a decentish speed. There are even addons for Office
XP to let it read/write the new docx/xlsx/etc formats used by newer
versions of Office. Windows 2000 can be run on a 486, which opens up
even more options. With Linux...

I love the idea though, and hopefully you can pull it out!

Scott

On 1/5/2013 7:31 PM, Robert Hesson wrote:
> I don't think the quadra can run anything over 8.1? Never tried though.

>

> Wager starts in two weeks.

>

> I've had the machine since 1993 and don't think there is too much left to add to it.

>

> It currently has:

>

> Radius VideoVision Studio NuBus video editing card.

>

> FWB scsi jackhammer NuBus card

>

> 68mb ram

>

> 2mb VRAM

>

> Apple adjustable keyboard (with pads and number pad) original bus mouse

>

> Apple 16" color display

>

> Apple external cd 300e caddy cd rom

>

> Sonnet quad doubler.

>

> Apple color onescanner

>

> Iomega zip 100 drive

>

> Syquest ez flyer 230

>

> Iomega Jaz 2 GB

>

>

> It runs very well - other than the web browser issue.

>

> I still use it for work stuff now and then... Like working with fonts (fontographer)

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On Jan 5, 2013, at 5:26 PM, James Fraser <wheresthatistanbul-pcilist@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>> Hello,

>>

>> --- On Sat, 1/5/13, Robert Hesson <rhesson82@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>> System 7.5.5.

>>> I have another external drive running 8.1, but it runs

>>> best with 7.5.5.

>> I'm sorry to hear that, seeing as how 8.5 seems to be the bare-bones minimum that Classilla will run under, with 9.1. being the recommended minimum:

>>

>>> Classilla requires any Power Macintosh with at least 64MB of RAM (virtual >or physical), 50MB of free hard disk space and MacOS 8.6 or higher. A G3 >processor with 128MB of physical RAM and OS 9.1 is the recommended >minimum. (Although Classilla will run on OS 8.5, due to various bugs in >that version we strongly advise updating to OS 8.6.)

>> http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/releases/

>>

>> Is your 700 stock? Or does it have a PPC upgrade installed? If the latter, you -might- try running Classilla following the advice for low memory:

>>

>> http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/releases/#lowmemo ry

>>

>> Does the wager start next week? I ask because if you have a couple of days to prepare, you might try the LEM Swap List and see if anyone is willing to sell you a PPC upgrade (I have no idea how rare they are/n't).

>>

>> Not sure if you want to sink any money into the machine, though.

>>

>>

>> Best,

>>

>> James Fraser

>>

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31671 is a reply to message #31670] Sat, 05 January 2013 20:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Good ideas Scott, I will give them a try.

I thought I might be over a barrel, but his 486 is a 33mhz DX running NT 3.51 I don't think he could even install windows 98.

Also, we agreed we would have to run the same versions of software for our common tasks... So that means office 4.2.1 (word 6, excel 5 I believe and PowerPoint 4... Which I am sure neither of us will use)

I also have Microsoft project, so does he. Were both using Eudora for email.

We both have a crap load of games, but we are not counting those.

I wanted to use my Quadra 840av, but that machine is so stacked compared to his, we settled on the quadra 700. I have a power mac 8500 as well, but with a 500 MHz g3 board, that's not even close to fair.

For whatever reason, I keep going back to the quadra 700. Maybe I'm sentimental... It was my first Mac.


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> On


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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31674 is a reply to message #31671] Sat, 05 January 2013 20:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ah, NT 3.51. That'll complicate things a bit, since about all it has
easily is Netscape 4 and the 16 bit version of IE5. Although if you're
clever enough, it is possible to run Firefox 2.x on it. But hopefully he
won't figure that out :)

I think my 840AV was my favorite Mac just for the sake of its uniqueness
and interestingness. Right now it's waiting for me to find time for
recapping. It's having sound and SCSI problems. I'll get around to it
someday.

Scott

On 1/5/2013 8:13 PM, Robert Hesson wrote:
> Good ideas Scott, I will give them a try.

>

> I thought I might be over a barrel, but his 486 is a 33mhz DX running NT 3.51 I don't think he could even install windows 98.

>

> Also, we agreed we would have to run the same versions of software for our common tasks... So that means office 4.2.1 (word 6, excel 5 I believe and PowerPoint 4... Which I am sure neither of us will use)

>

> I also have Microsoft project, so does he. Were both using Eudora for email.

>

> We both have a crap load of games, but we are not counting those.

>

> I wanted to use my Quadra 840av, but that machine is so stacked compared to his, we settled on the quadra 700. I have a power mac 8500 as well, but with a 500 MHz g3 board, that's not even close to fair.

>

> For whatever reason, I keep going back to the quadra 700. Maybe I'm sentimental... It was my first Mac.

>

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

>


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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31675 is a reply to message #31669] Sat, 05 January 2013 20:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OS 8.6 requires a PowerPC processor, so that's that.

IE is gonna be your best bet, and NT 3.51 is going to have a similar vintage IE with the same struggles rendering modern web pages.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 5, 2013, at 19:31, Robert Hesson <rhesson82@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't think the quadra can run anything over 8.1? Never tried though.

>

> Wager starts in two weeks.

>

> I've had the machine since 1993 and don't think there is too much left to add to it.

>

> It currently has:

>

> Radius VideoVision Studio NuBus video editing card.

>

> FWB scsi jackhammer NuBus card

>

> 68mb ram

>

> 2mb VRAM

>

> Apple adjustable keyboard (with pads and number pad) original bus mouse

>

> Apple 16" color display

>

> Apple external cd 300e caddy cd rom

>

> Sonnet quad doubler.

>

> Apple color onescanner

>

> Iomega zip 100 drive

>

> Syquest ez flyer 230

>

> Iomega Jaz 2 GB

>

>

> It runs very well - other than the web browser issue.

>

> I still use it for work stuff now and then... Like working with fonts (fontographer)

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On Jan 5, 2013, at 5:26 PM, James Fraser <wheresthatistanbul-pcilist@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>> Hello,

>>

>> --- On Sat, 1/5/13, Robert Hesson <rhesson82@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>> System 7.5.5.

>>> I have another external drive running 8.1, but it runs

>>> best with 7.5.5.

>>

>> I'm sorry to hear that, seeing as how 8.5 seems to be the bare-bones minimum that Classilla will run under, with 9.1. being the recommended minimum:

>>

>>> Classilla requires any Power Macintosh with at least 64MB of RAM (virtual >or physical), 50MB of free hard disk space and MacOS 8.6 or higher. A G3 >processor with 128MB of physical RAM and OS 9.1 is the recommended >minimum. (Although Classilla will run on OS 8.5, due to various bugs in >that version we strongly advise updating to OS 8.6.)

>>

>> http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/releases/

>>

>> Is your 700 stock? Or does it have a PPC upgrade installed? If the latter, you -might- try running Classilla following the advice for low memory:

>>

>> http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/releases/#lowmemo ry

>>

>> Does the wager start next week? I ask because if you have a couple of days to prepare, you might try the LEM Swap List and see if anyone is willing to sell you a PPC upgrade (I have no idea how rare they are/n't).

>>

>> Not sure if you want to sink any money into the machine, though.

>>

>>

>> Best,

>>

>> James Fraser

>>

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31676 is a reply to message #31669] Sat, 05 January 2013 20:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hello,

--- On Sat, 1/5/13, Robert Hesson <rhesson82@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't think the quadra can run anything over 8.1? Never tried though.


Yes, apparently 8.1 is the cutoff (at least, according to the spec sheet it is). A PPC upgrade would presumably let you go beyond that.

It sounds as though you might need to become acquainted with Linux:

http://www.anytux.org/hardware.php?system_id=853

...in a hurry if you want to win your bet. Perhaps someone on the list is running Linux on a Quadra and can speak to that?

Should you want to give it a go on your own, this site:

http://mac.linux-m68k.org/

...seems to have everything you need to get started in the way of downloads.


Best,

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31677 is a reply to message #31674] Sat, 05 January 2013 20:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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He might be. He is a system engineer for Microsoft. (And a Mac user at home, I might add!)

We might have to stipulate to allowing Internet browsing on our iPads.



Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 5, 2013, at 7:27 PM, Scott Holder <scott@iamscott.net> wrote:

> Ah, NT 3.51. That'll complicate things a bit, since about all it has easily is Netscape 4 and the 16 bit version of IE5. Although if you're clever enough, it is possible to run Firefox 2.x on it. But hopefully he won't figure that out :)

>

> I think my 840AV was my favorite Mac just for the sake of its uniqueness and interestingness. Right now it's waiting for me to find time for recapping. It's having sound and SCSI problems. I'll get around to it someday.

>

> Scott

>

> On 1/5/2013 8:13 PM, Robert Hesson wrote:

>> Good ideas Scott, I will give them a try.

>>

>> I thought I might be over a barrel, but his 486 is a 33mhz DX running NT 3.51 I don't think he could even install windows 98.

>>

>> Also, we agreed we would have to run the same versions of software for our common tasks... So that means office 4.2.1 (word 6, excel 5 I believe and PowerPoint 4... Which I am sure neither of us will use)

>>

>> I also have Microsoft project, so does he. Were both using Eudora for email.

>>

>> We both have a crap load of games, but we are not counting those.

>>

>> I wanted to use my Quadra 840av, but that machine is so stacked compared to his, we settled on the quadra 700. I have a power mac 8500 as well, but with a 500 MHz g3 board, that's not even close to fair.

>>

>> For whatever reason, I keep going back to the quadra 700. Maybe I'm sentimental... It was my first Mac.

>>

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31678 is a reply to message #31677] Sat, 05 January 2013 20:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If he goes Linux, the 486 will have the advantage...

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On Jan 5, 2013, at 20:45, Robert Hesson <rhesson82@gmail.com> wrote:

> He might be. He is a system engineer for Microsoft. (And a Mac user at home, I might add!)

>

> We might have to stipulate to allowing Internet browsing on our iPads.

>

>

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On Jan 5, 2013, at 7:27 PM, Scott Holder <scott@iamscott.net> wrote:

>

>> Ah, NT 3.51. That'll complicate things a bit, since about all it has easily is Netscape 4 and the 16 bit version of IE5. Although if you're clever enough, it is possible to run Firefox 2.x on it. But hopefully he won't figure that out :)

>>

>> I think my 840AV was my favorite Mac just for the sake of its uniqueness and interestingness. Right now it's waiting for me to find time for recapping. It's having sound and SCSI problems. I'll get around to it someday.

>>

>> Scott

>>

>> On 1/5/2013 8:13 PM, Robert Hesson wrote:

>>> Good ideas Scott, I will give them a try.

>>>

>>> I thought I might be over a barrel, but his 486 is a 33mhz DX running NT 3.51 I don't think he could even install windows 98.

>>>

>>> Also, we agreed we would have to run the same versions of software for our common tasks... So that means office 4.2.1 (word 6, excel 5 I believe and PowerPoint 4... Which I am sure neither of us will use)

>>>

>>> I also have Microsoft project, so does he. Were both using Eudora for email.

>>>

>>> We both have a crap load of games, but we are not counting those.

>>>

>>> I wanted to use my Quadra 840av, but that machine is so stacked compared to his, we settled on the quadra 700. I have a power mac 8500 as well, but with a 500 MHz g3 board, that's not even close to fair.

>>>

>>> For whatever reason, I keep going back to the quadra 700. Maybe I'm sentimental... It was my first Mac.

>>>

>>>

>>> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31679 is a reply to message #31676] Sat, 05 January 2013 20:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 1/5/2013 8:44 PM, James Fraser wrote:
> Hello,

>

> --- On Sat, 1/5/13, Robert Hesson <rhesson82@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> I don't think the quadra can run anything over 8.1? Never tried though.

> Yes, apparently 8.1 is the cutoff (at least, according to the spec sheet it is). A PPC upgrade would presumably let you go beyond that.

>

> It sounds as though you might need to become acquainted with Linux:

>

> http://www.anytux.org/hardware.php?system_id=853

>

> ...in a hurry if you want to win your bet. Perhaps someone on the list is running Linux on a Quadra and can speak to that?


Actually, I have a LC475 running Debian right now and... well, let's
just say it's an exercise in possibility. The main issue is disk access
is very, very slow. I actually do have Firefox (3.5, I think?) running
on it, but it takes a good couple or three minutes to even start up,
much less even try to display anything. There's also something wonky
with the display colors where the colormap isn't quite right. And I'd
shudder to even think about any sort of office program on it.

That said, 68k Linux has come a long way since I originally installed it
and there are many newer kernels and userspace things. I'm on the Debian
m68k (Motorola 68k in this case, so Amiga, Atari, etc too) and it's made
a lot of progress in the last year. It'd be interesting to try anyway.

Scott

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31680 is a reply to message #31678] Sat, 05 January 2013 21:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What if we both went to Linux?

We both agreed to the operating systems we were running when we stopped using these computers on a daily basis...

I have another LaCie external hard drive I could install Linux on B&D give this a try though... Very interesting.

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On Jan 5, 2013, at 7:46 PM, David Iwanicki <davidi4@mac.com> wrote:

> If he goes Linux, the 486 will have the advantage...

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On Jan 5, 2013, at 20:45, Robert Hesson <rhesson82@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> He might be. He is a system engineer for Microsoft. (And a Mac user at home, I might add!)

>>

>> We might have to stipulate to allowing Internet browsing on our iPads.

>>

>>

>>

>> Sent from my iPhone

>>

>> On Jan 5, 2013, at 7:27 PM, Scott Holder <scott@iamscott.net> wrote:

>>

>>> Ah, NT 3.51. That'll complicate things a bit, since about all it has easily is Netscape 4 and the 16 bit version of IE5. Although if you're clever enough, it is possible to run Firefox 2.x on it. But hopefully he won't figure that out :)

>>>

>>> I think my 840AV was my favorite Mac just for the sake of its uniqueness and interestingness. Right now it's waiting for me to find time for recapping. It's having sound and SCSI problems. I'll get around to it someday.

>>>

>>> Scott

>>>

>>> On 1/5/2013 8:13 PM, Robert Hesson wrote:

>>>> Good ideas Scott, I will give them a try.

>>>>

>>>> I thought I might be over a barrel, but his 486 is a 33mhz DX running NT 3.51 I don't think he could even install windows 98.

>>>>

>>>> Also, we agreed we would have to run the same versions of software for our common tasks... So that means office 4.2.1 (word 6, excel 5 I believe and PowerPoint 4... Which I am sure neither of us will use)

>>>>

>>>> I also have Microsoft project, so does he. Were both using Eudora for email.

>>>>

>>>> We both have a crap load of games, but we are not counting those.

>>>>

>>>> I wanted to use my Quadra 840av, but that machine is so stacked compared to his, we settled on the quadra 700. I have a power mac 8500 as well, but with a 500 MHz g3 board, that's not even close to fair.

>>>>

>>>> For whatever reason, I keep going back to the quadra 700. Maybe I'm sentimental... It was my first Mac.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31681 is a reply to message #31677] Sat, 05 January 2013 21:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hello,

--- On Sat, 1/5/13, Robert Hesson <rhesson82@gmail.com> wrote:

> He might be. He is a system engineer for Microsoft. (And a Mac user at >home, I might add!)


It's odd the number of people who develop software for PCs that insist on using a Macintosh for their personal stuff. ¬_¬

> We might have to stipulate to allowing Internet browsing on

> our iPads.


Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't strike me as a particularly worthy bet. "All the way or not at all," I say. :p

Presumably you and/or your friend are going to blog about this experience somewhere? So long as there are no "outs" like the above, it might make for interesting reading.

Otherwise, I just don't see the point if you're going to allow the use of 21st century devices to help either/both of you get through the week. It's your bet, though. [shrugs]


Best,

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31682 is a reply to message #31681] Sat, 05 January 2013 21:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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James your right...

It's a week. We will tough it out.

I made a fortune off my quadras and he did a job with his PC. (I also spent a fortune on my quadras... Not so much for him.)

I understand why he has a Mac at home... He spends 60-70 hours a week mopping up other people's windows messes, so when he gets home he isn't interested fighting with a PC. So he claims.

With that, I threw out there that the Mac was better and the debate was over. Obviously that wasn't the core of the wager, but still had to throw it out there.

We had not considered blogging about this, but that might be a very interesting thing to do as well. I'm sure there may be a lot of people that would be interested in that.

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On Jan 5, 2013, at 8:12 PM, James Fraser <wheresthatistanbul-pcilist@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hello,

>

> --- On Sat, 1/5/13, Robert Hesson <rhesson82@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> He might be. He is a system engineer for Microsoft. (And a Mac user at >home, I might add!)

>

> It's odd the number of people who develop software for PCs that insist on using a Macintosh for their personal stuff. ¬_¬

>

>> We might have to stipulate to allowing Internet browsing on

>> our iPads.

>

> Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't strike me as a particularly worthy bet. "All the way or not at all," I say. :p

>

> Presumably you and/or your friend are going to blog about this experience somewhere? So long as there are no "outs" like the above, it might make for interesting reading.

>

> Otherwise, I just don't see the point if you're going to allow the use of 21st century devices to help either/both of you get through the week. It's your bet, though. [shrugs]

>

>

> Best,

>

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31701 is a reply to message #31662] Sat, 05 January 2013 23:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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--- On Sat, 1/5/13, Robert Hesson <rhesson82@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just need to solve this Internet browsing problem.

>

> Any ideas for what I could do?


iCab 2.9.9 68K http://www.icab.de/dl.php

That's the newest browser there is for 68K Macs. Requires Mac OS 7.5 through 8.1

If you have RAM Charger and RAM Doubler (only use it's virtual memory, turn compression off) on your Mac, you'll have a much more pleasant time of retro computing.

As for your friend, if he has Win 98se he could use Opera 10.10 (newer versions have been made to work but have issues with JAVA) and official support went up to 10.63 for Windows Me. Whether or not you mention that to your friend is up to you. ;-)

On golf equipment, a few years back while waiting in some office, I read an article (in a golf magazine of course) where a wide range of drivers were tested - from old antique clubs up through the newest legal and competition illegal clubs.

The best of the old wood drivers (actually made of wood) overlapped the worst of the modern metal and other materials "woods" in driving distance and accuracy. Of course the illegal clubs with coefficients of restitution higher than the rules allow mostly blew everything else away - though some supposed "superclubs" were out shot by the best of the legal ones.

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31702 is a reply to message #31665] Sat, 05 January 2013 23:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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--- On Sat, 1/5/13, labor stoltenhoff <canalegrande@stoltenhoff.de> wrote:

From: labor stoltenhoff <canalegrande@stoltenhoff.de>
Subject: Re: Quadra 700
To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 5, 2013, 3:36 PM

hi robert.
i've had a similar idea and so i arranged a second workspace with a quadra 700, too ;-)the 950 would be more powerful for graphic stuff, but it's too loud (for 2012-ears).everything is fine, but surfing is'nt fun with a 68k-machine. i'm using wannabe for „fast“, text-only searches and icab 2.99 for visual browsing.
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Yup, network performance is going to be the bottleneck, even if you have an Asante 10/100 NuBus network card to install, the NuBus can't fully exploit the 100 megabit speed.

On your friend's PC, if it has PCI slots, it can use the full capacity of 100 megabit ethernet but the 486 CPU can be the bottleneck unless it's one of the last and fastest versions.

One thing Windows 9x and later has over Mac OS 9.2.2 and older is the ability to run more than one network protocol on multiple interfaces at the same time. IIRC Windows 9x and Me can run up to 6 network interfaces, and switch data transfer amongst them without user intervention. I don't know what the limit is on the number of protocols, or if there's a limit.

Without 3rd party software, ye olde Mac OS can do one protocol on one interface. For a simple internet connection that's all you need, but when you need to use a different interface or protocol you have to go to the control panel and manually switch it - though unlike Win 9x and Me you don't have to reboot the Mac after any change in the network setup. (I suppose that's why Windows was made to support so much network stuff at once, get it all set up and leave it alone.)

When I was sharing between a Mac and Windows I needed more than one protocol running on Ethernet, so I had to use DAVE, which also handled the other incompatibilities Bill and Steve stubbornly refused to do anything about. "We're going to have AppleShare Client for Windows 95. (But not really, not sorry about that either.)"

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31703 is a reply to message #31668] Sat, 05 January 2013 23:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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--- On Sat, 1/5/13, James Fraser <wheresthatistanbul-pcilist@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Is your 700 stock?  Or does it have a PPC upgrade

> installed?  If the latter, you -might- try running

> Classilla following the advice for low memory:

>

> http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/releases/#lowmemo ry

>

> Does the wager start next week?  I ask because if you

> have a couple of days to prepare, you might try the LEM Swap

> List and see if anyone is willing to sell you a PPC upgrade

> (I have no idea how rare they are/n't).


Hey now, if he gets to use a PPC 601 upgrade then the other guy gets to drop in a PODPV563 or PODP5V83 aka Pentium OverDrive 63 or 83 Mhz, assuming the CPU socket has the extra ring of holes for it.

Intel promised the POD for a long time, delayed and delayed, nearly got fined by the Federal Trade Commission for not producing it, then released it in a pair of rather limpy, obsolete versions that were rather slow compared to anything else new on the market. Same deal with the Pentium Overdrive for Pentium Pro and how Intel hobbled it to only working as single or dual, ensuring it wouldn't be used in quad or higher P-Pro systems.

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31704 is a reply to message #31702] Sun, 06 January 2013 00:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sarah Crabbleapple is currently offline  Sarah Crabbleapple
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One of mine is haunted by the ghost of AOL past and reverts to those
network settings every reboot. Evil, I tell you, evil!

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31755 is a reply to message #31679] Sun, 06 January 2013 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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hi Scott;

how much trouble did you have getting linux running on a lc475?

I have (2) 25mhz lc475's with 68meg memory running some sort of
linux, (they are packed away - moving)

I have seen the 68k google group bunch working on getting the latest
debian running on 68k - mostly Atari -

problem I have is getting the software on to hard disk and booting.

thanks for your interest;

dale in cortez


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Subject: Re: Quadra 700


> On 1/5/2013 8:44 PM, James Fraser wrote:

>> Hello,

>>

>> --- On Sat, 1/5/13, Robert Hesson <rhesson82@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>> I don't think the quadra can run anything over 8.1? Never tried though.

>> Yes, apparently 8.1 is the cutoff (at least, according to the spec sheet

>> it is). A PPC upgrade would presumably let you go beyond that.

>>

>> It sounds as though you might need to become acquainted with Linux:

>>

>> http://www.anytux.org/hardware.php?system_id=853

>>

>> ...in a hurry if you want to win your bet. Perhaps someone on the list is

>> running Linux on a Quadra and can speak to that?

>

> Actually, I have a LC475 running Debian right now and... well, let's just

> say it's an exercise in possibility. The main issue is disk access is

> very, very slow. I actually do have Firefox (3.5, I think?) running on it,

> but it takes a good couple or three minutes to even start up, much less

> even try to display anything. There's also something wonky with the

> display colors where the colormap isn't quite right. And I'd shudder to

> even think about any sort of office program on it.

>

> That said, 68k Linux has come a long way since I originally installed it

> and there are many newer kernels and userspace things. I'm on the Debian

> m68k (Motorola 68k in this case, so Amiga, Atari, etc too) and it's made a

> lot of progress in the last year. It'd be interesting to try anyway.

>

> Scott

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31813 is a reply to message #31755] Sun, 06 January 2013 17:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, I could say it was not too much trouble, but temper that by saying
that even when I was really into it, I had 5+ years of Linux experience.
Manual partitioning, command line, hacking around in config files, etc
was/is all pretty second nature to me.

The general idea was I had two HDs - one I had a pretty much full Mac OS
7.5.5 install running on with complete ethernet drivers, video setup,
web browsers, etc etc. This made it trivial to download the Linux files
directly. From there it was pretty straightforward booting the install
disk images and letting it do its thing on the other drive. There
are/were pretty straightforward instructions for it. There are new
methods of doing it since the original install instructions were
published way back when, mostly involving debootstrap and premade kernels.

My setup is pretty old, one of these days I'll get around to updating
it. The main thing to remember is that in general the only thing
platform-specific is the kernel. Once it's booting on a Mac, the
userspace is mostly the same between Mac, Atari, Amiga, etc. This makes
it a lot easier to take work from a more active platform and use it on a
Mac.

I wonder whatever happened to whats-her-name Dana that was trying to
boot Mac OS X in a 68k compile of PearPC. IIRC she ran into some endian
issues since she was sharing the boot image over a network but I never
heard the end result. Never got around to trying to myself.

Scott

On 1/6/2013 11:26 AM, dale-gmail wrote:
> hi Scott;

>

> how much trouble did you have getting linux running on a lc475?

>

> I have (2) 25mhz lc475's with 68meg memory running some sort of

> linux, (they are packed away - moving)

>

> I have seen the 68k google group bunch working on getting the latest

> debian running on 68k - mostly Atari -

>

> problem I have is getting the software on to hard disk and booting.

>

> thanks for your interest;

>

> dale in cortez


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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31834 is a reply to message #31813] Sun, 06 January 2013 18:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hello,

--- On Sun, 1/6/13, Scott Holder <scott@iamscott.net> wrote:

> I wonder whatever happened to whats-her-name Dana that was

> trying to boot Mac OS X in a 68k compile of PearPC.


I believe the name you are reaching for is Dana Sibera.

> IIRC she ran into some endian issues since she was sharing the boot

> image over a network but I never heard the end result. Never

> got around to trying to myself.


Beats me, but you might be able to ask reach her here:

http://www.twylah.com/NanoRaptor

(and/or via the link to her homepage [danamania.com] found at the top-left of the page.)

...and ask her yourself (assuming she hasn't posted an update on the danamania site)


Best,

James Fraser

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Re: Quadra 700 [message #31835 is a reply to message #31813] Sun, 06 January 2013 19:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dana-Mania!

On Jan 6, 2013, at 4:04 PM, Scott Holder wrote:

> Well, I could say it was not too much trouble, but temper that by saying that even when I was really into it, I had 5+ years of Linux experience. Manual partitioning, command line, hacking around in config files, etc was/is all pretty second nature to me.

>

> The general idea was I had two HDs - one I had a pretty much full Mac OS 7.5.5 install running on with complete ethernet drivers, video setup, web browsers, etc etc. This made it trivial to download the Linux files directly. From there it was pretty straightforward booting the install disk images and letting it do its thing on the other drive. There are/were pretty straightforward instructions for it. There are new methods of doing it since the original install instructions were published way back when, mostly involving debootstrap and premade kernels.

>

> My setup is pretty old, one of these days I'll get around to updating it. The main thing to remember is that in general the only thing platform-specific is the kernel. Once it's booting on a Mac, the userspace is mostly the same between Mac, Atari, Amiga, etc. This makes it a lot easier to take work from a more active platform and use it on a Mac.

>

> I wonder whatever happened to whats-her-name Dana that was trying to boot Mac OS X in a 68k compile of PearPC. IIRC she ran into some endian issues since she was sharing the boot image over a network but I never heard the end result. Never got around to trying to myself.

>

> Scott

>


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OS X on a 68K??? Re: Quadra 700 [message #31868 is a reply to message #31813] Mon, 07 January 2013 03:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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--- On Sun, 1/6/13, Scott Holder <scott@iamscott.net> wrote:

> I wonder whatever happened to whats-her-name Dana that was

> trying to boot Mac OS X in a 68k compile of PearPC. IIRC she

> ran into some endian issues since she was sharing the boot

> image over a network but I never heard the end result. Never

> got around to trying to myself.

>

> Scott


Emulating a PPC CPU on a 68K? Probably still waiting for it to boot up the first time! ;)

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Re: OS X on a 68K??? Re: Quadra 700 [message #31937 is a reply to message #31868] Mon, 07 January 2013 11:16 Go to previous message
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Hello,

--- On Mon, 1/7/13, Gregg Eshelman <g_alan_e@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Emulating a PPC CPU on a 68K? Probably still waiting for it

> to boot up the first time! ;)


There's a screen-by-screen account here:

http://tinyurl.com/a5t9ctl

...if you're interested.

For reasons I won't pretend to understand, the apostrophes on the page (to give an example; other punctuation is similarly affected) display the decimal equivalent of the binary ASCII code (if I'm expressing the situation correctly).

Of course, I'm running Classilla 9.3.0 (with FireFox 3.6 as the user agent) and upgrading to 9.3.2 (released yesterday) would probably help things, but I mention it because if the page appears that way in other browsers, well, it's distracting. :/ The page is still readable, though.


Best,

James Fraser

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