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Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator [message #314541] Fri, 18 March 2016 16:28 Go to next message
Andreas Kohlbach is currently offline  Andreas Kohlbach
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I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF
on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address)
where an article says:

| Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for
| £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
| operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
| games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum
| software on their machines [...]

I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a
Spectrum an Z80.

I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
(1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
start. RUN just returns the cursor.

So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum
emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or
emulated itself.
--
Andreas

I use a Unix based operating system, which means I get laid almost as often
as I have to reboot my computer.
Re: Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator [message #314542 is a reply to message #314541] Fri, 18 March 2016 17:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In comp.sys.cbm Andreas Kohlbach <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
>
> I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
> also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
> (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
> start. RUN just returns the cursor.
>
> So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum
> emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or
> emulated itself.

I rember a spectrum emulator for sure on my C64. It was slow and probably
the emulation was not complete or perfect. I used a few times to run
some spectrum basic programs (from what I can remember of something happening
30 years ago).
If you are really patient, I might find the right floppy disk where it is
recorded (one day and if luck happens).

Regards
Frank IZ8DWF
Re: Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator [message #314555 is a reply to message #314541] Fri, 18 March 2016 20:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <8737rn4jkc.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach
<march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:

> I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF
> on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address)
> where an article says:
>
> | Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for
> | £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
> | operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
> | games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum
> | software on their machines [...]
>
> I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a
> Spectrum an Z80.
>
> I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
> also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
> (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
> start. RUN just returns the cursor.
>
> So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum
> emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or
> emulated itself.

The CPU difference is irrelevant (since that's what "emulation" means)
.... BUT whether such an emulation would be fast enough to be usable is
another question.

I've never heard of that emulator. It maybe be that it was partly
hardware and requires the emulation cartridge to be plugged into a real
C64 to work.
Re: Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator [message #314589 is a reply to message #314541] Sat, 19 March 2016 09:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Chris \"xc8\"

here you are:

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/99o151nral4eb/C64

2x emulators , in fact IIRC just BASIC programs can run there

cheers

chris

On Friday, 18 March 2016 20:28:41 UTC, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF
> on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address)
> where an article says:
>
> | Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for
> | £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
> | operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
> | games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum
> | software on their machines [...]
>
> I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a
> Spectrum an Z80.
>
> I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
> also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
> (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
> start. RUN just returns the cursor.
>
> So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum
> emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or
> emulated itself.
> --
> Andreas
>
> I use a Unix based operating system, which means I get laid almost as often
> as I have to reboot my computer.
Re: Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator [message #314615 is a reply to message #314555] Sat, 19 March 2016 16:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Your Name wrote on 18. March 2016:
>
> In article <8737rn4jkc.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach
> <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
>
>> I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF
>> on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address)
>> where an article says:
>>
>> | Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for
>> | £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
>> | operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
>> | games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum
>> | software on their machines [...]
>>
>> I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a
>> Spectrum an Z80.
>>
>> I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
>> also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
>> (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
>> start. RUN just returns the cursor.
>>
>> So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum
>> emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or
>> emulated itself.
>
> The CPU difference is irrelevant (since that's what "emulation" means)
> ... BUT whether such an emulation would be fast enough to be usable is
> another question.

Of course. You probably could emulate an x86 CPU on a C64. But the speed
is the problem. That's why I mentioned the "way different" CPU before.

> I've never heard of that emulator. It maybe be that it was partly
> hardware and requires the emulation cartridge to be plugged into a real
> C64 to work.

The article doesn't say. Will see if I find the next issue of that
magazine if it's mentioned there with more detail.
--
Andreas

I use a Unix based operating system, which means I get laid almost as often
as I have to reboot my computer.
Re: Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator [message #314616 is a reply to message #314542] Sat, 19 March 2016 16:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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frank wrote on 18. March 2016:
>
> In comp.sys.cbm Andreas Kohlbach <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
>>
>> I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
>> also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
>> (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
>> start. RUN just returns the cursor.
>>
>> So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum
>> emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or
>> emulated itself.
>
> I rember a spectrum emulator for sure on my C64. It was slow and probably
> the emulation was not complete or perfect. I used a few times to run
> some spectrum basic programs (from what I can remember of something happening
> 30 years ago).
> If you are really patient, I might find the right floppy disk where it is
> recorded (one day and if luck happens).

Not really that important. If by chance it crosses your path though it'll
be nice. :-)

Thanks. Also To Chris.
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I use a Unix based operating system, which means I get laid almost as often
as I have to reboot my computer.
Re: Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator [message #314617 is a reply to message #314615] Sat, 19 March 2016 17:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <87pouqgqt7.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach
<march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
> Your Name wrote on 18. March 2016:
>> In article <8737rn4jkc.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach
>> <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF
>>> on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address)
>>> where an article says:
>>>
>>> | Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for
>>> | £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
>>> | operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
>>> | games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum
>>> | software on their machines [...]
>>>
>>> I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a
>>> Spectrum an Z80.
>>>
>>> I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
>>> also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
>>> (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
>>> start. RUN just returns the cursor.
>>>
>>> So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum
>>> emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or
>>> emulated itself.
>>
>> The CPU difference is irrelevant (since that's what "emulation" means)
>> ... BUT whether such an emulation would be fast enough to be usable is
>> another question.
>
> Of course. You probably could emulate an x86 CPU on a C64. But the speed
> is the problem. That's why I mentioned the "way different" CPU before.
>
>> I've never heard of that emulator. It maybe be that it was partly
>> hardware and requires the emulation cartridge to be plugged into a real
>> C64 to work.
>
> The article doesn't say. Will see if I find the next issue of that
> magazine if it's mentioned there with more detail.

Of course the real question is why would anyone want to emulate a
crappy toy like the Spectrum on a real computer like the C64?!?

Then again, even today some people are still stupid enough to want to
emulate / virtualise crappy Windoze garbage on their Apple Mac
computer.
Re: Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator [message #314618 is a reply to message #314616] Sat, 19 March 2016 17:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 16:24:00 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach
<march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:

> Not really that important. If by chance it crosses your path though it'll
> be nice. :-)

Not sure it is what you are looking for, but I found this:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4olweuvsaanknw/spectrum.zip?dl=0

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Re: Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator [message #314619 is a reply to message #314617] Sat, 19 March 2016 19:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 20/03/2016 5:01 AM, Your Name wrote:
> In article <87pouqgqt7.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach
> <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
>> Your Name wrote on 18. March 2016:
>>> In article <8737rn4jkc.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach
>>> <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF
>>>> on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address)
>>>> where an article says:
>>>>
>>>> | Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for
>>>> | £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
>>>> | operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
>>>> | games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum
>>>> | software on their machines [...]
>>>>
>>>> I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a
>>>> Spectrum an Z80.
>>>>
>>>> I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
>>>> also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
>>>> (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
>>>> start. RUN just returns the cursor.
>>>>
>>>> So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum
>>>> emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or
>>>> emulated itself.
>>>
>>> The CPU difference is irrelevant (since that's what "emulation" means)
>>> ... BUT whether such an emulation would be fast enough to be usable is
>>> another question.
>>
>> Of course. You probably could emulate an x86 CPU on a C64. But the speed
>> is the problem. That's why I mentioned the "way different" CPU before.
>>
>>> I've never heard of that emulator. It maybe be that it was partly
>>> hardware and requires the emulation cartridge to be plugged into a real
>>> C64 to work.
>>
>> The article doesn't say. Will see if I find the next issue of that
>> magazine if it's mentioned there with more detail.
>
> Of course the real question is why would anyone want to emulate a
> crappy toy like the Spectrum on a real computer like the C64?!?
>
> Then again, even today some people are still stupid enough to want to
> emulate / virtualise crappy Windoze garbage on their Apple Mac
> computer.
>

Their stupidity was fully realised the day they chose an Apple product
in the first place...
Re: Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator [message #314624 is a reply to message #314619] Sat, 19 March 2016 20:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <56ede296$0$1535$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>, Clocky
<notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
> On 20/03/2016 5:01 AM, Your Name wrote:
>> In article <87pouqgqt7.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach
>> <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
>>> Your Name wrote on 18. March 2016:
>>>> In article <8737rn4jkc.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach
>>>> <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF
>>>> > on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address)
>>>> > where an article says:
>>>> >
>>>> > | Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for
>>>> > | £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
>>>> > | operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
>>>> > | games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum
>>>> > | software on their machines [...]
>>>> >
>>>> > I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a
>>>> > Spectrum an Z80.
>>>> >
>>>> > I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
>>>> > also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
>>>> > (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
>>>> > start. RUN just returns the cursor.
>>>> >
>>>> > So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum
>>>> > emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or
>>>> > emulated itself.
>>>>
>>>> The CPU difference is irrelevant (since that's what "emulation" means)
>>>> ... BUT whether such an emulation would be fast enough to be usable is
>>>> another question.
>>>
>>> Of course. You probably could emulate an x86 CPU on a C64. But the speed
>>> is the problem. That's why I mentioned the "way different" CPU before.
>>>
>>>> I've never heard of that emulator. It maybe be that it was partly
>>>> hardware and requires the emulation cartridge to be plugged into a real
>>>> C64 to work.
>>>
>>> The article doesn't say. Will see if I find the next issue of that
>>> magazine if it's mentioned there with more detail.
>>
>> Of course the real question is why would anyone want to emulate a
>> crappy toy like the Spectrum on a real computer like the C64?!?
>>
>> Then again, even today some people are still stupid enough to want to
>> emulate / virtualise crappy Windoze garbage on their Apple Mac
>> computer.
>
> Their stupidity was fully realised the day they chose an Apple product
> in the first place...

Yep, it's really "stupid" to want a computer that works, doesn't suffer
idiotic malware and viruses, doesn't look like the cheap knock-off of
someone else's work that it is, ... I guess that's why sales of Apple
computers rise every year while most other makers are declining. :-\
Re: Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator [message #314625 is a reply to message #314624] Sat, 19 March 2016 21:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 20/03/2016 8:24 AM, Your Name wrote:
> In article <56ede296$0$1535$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>, Clocky
> <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>> On 20/03/2016 5:01 AM, Your Name wrote:
>>> In article <87pouqgqt7.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach
>>> <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
>>>> Your Name wrote on 18. March 2016:
>>>> > In article <8737rn4jkc.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach
>>>> > <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF
>>>> >> on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address)
>>>> >> where an article says:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> | Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for
>>>> >> | £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
>>>> >> | operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
>>>> >> | games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum
>>>> >> | software on their machines [...]
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a
>>>> >> Spectrum an Z80.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
>>>> >> also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
>>>> >> (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
>>>> >> start. RUN just returns the cursor.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum
>>>> >> emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or
>>>> >> emulated itself.
>>>> >
>>>> > The CPU difference is irrelevant (since that's what "emulation" means)
>>>> > ... BUT whether such an emulation would be fast enough to be usable is
>>>> > another question.
>>>>
>>>> Of course. You probably could emulate an x86 CPU on a C64. But the speed
>>>> is the problem. That's why I mentioned the "way different" CPU before.
>>>>
>>>> > I've never heard of that emulator. It maybe be that it was partly
>>>> > hardware and requires the emulation cartridge to be plugged into a real
>>>> > C64 to work.
>>>>
>>>> The article doesn't say. Will see if I find the next issue of that
>>>> magazine if it's mentioned there with more detail.
>>>
>>> Of course the real question is why would anyone want to emulate a
>>> crappy toy like the Spectrum on a real computer like the C64?!?
>>>
>>> Then again, even today some people are still stupid enough to want to
>>> emulate / virtualise crappy Windoze garbage on their Apple Mac
>>> computer.
>>
>> Their stupidity was fully realised the day they chose an Apple product
>> in the first place...
>
> Yep, it's really "stupid" to want a computer that works, doesn't suffer
> idiotic malware and viruses, doesn't look like the cheap knock-off of
> someone else's work that it is, ...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_Inc.

Dumb sheeple might not care, but I do.
Re: Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator [message #314629 is a reply to message #314625] Sat, 19 March 2016 23:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <56edfe76$0$1513$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>, Clocky
<notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_Inc.
>
> Dumb sheeple might not care, but I do.

I can't even be bothered clicking on a the link to an idiotic Wikipedia
page - the whole website is full of lies, misinformation, and complete
crap thanks to allowing any moron to post so-called "facts" without
them actually being checked properly (and no, another moron "checking"
them doesn't count either). :-\
Re: Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator [message #314638 is a reply to message #314541] Sun, 20 March 2016 12:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Friday, 18 March 2016 20:28:41 UTC, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF
> on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address)
> where an article says:
>
> | Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for
> | £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
> | operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
> | games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum
> | software on their machines [...]
>
> I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a
> Spectrum an Z80.
>
> I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
> also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
> (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
> start. RUN just returns the cursor.
>
> So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum
> emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or
> emulated itself.

Whitby Computers ported Sinclair BASIC to the C64 in 1985. That's probably the emulator you have in your collection. There's a thread about it on the Lemon64 forum with a contribution from the original author. POKEs work, but there's no Z80 emulator so machine code games won't run. I doubt a £12.95 emulator would include a Z80, so I wonder if the Video Vault solution was just a rebranded version of the Whitby Computers program, only with more marketing BS. The C128 could emulate a Spectrum quite easily as it has all the required hardware, but it would be about a third the speed of the original. So yeah, kind of pointless.
Re: Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator [message #314649 is a reply to message #314617] Sun, 20 March 2016 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Your Name wrote on 19. March 2016:
>
> In article <87pouqgqt7.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach
> <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
>
>>> hardware and requires the emulation cartridge to be plugged into a real
>>> C64 to work.
>>
>> The article doesn't say. Will see if I find the next issue of that
>> magazine if it's mentioned there with more detail.
>
> Of course the real question is why would anyone want to emulate a
> crappy toy like the Spectrum on a real computer like the C64?!?

There were some games especially written for the Specci, and not or much
later ported to the Commodore 64. So I'd say yes, some C64 users might
want to have a Specci emulator.
--
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I use a Unix based operating system, which means I get laid almost as often
as I have to reboot my computer.
Re: Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator [message #314650 is a reply to message #314618] Sun, 20 March 2016 17:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robert Roland wrote on 19. March 2016:
>
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 16:24:00 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach
> <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
>
>> Not really that important. If by chance it crosses your path though it'll
>> be nice. :-)
>
> Not sure it is what you are looking for, but I found this:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4olweuvsaanknw/spectrum.zip?dl=0

That works. Nice find! :-)

Only saw the "home" screen of the spectrum. Have to figure out how to
load it a program.
--
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I use a Unix based operating system, which means I get laid almost as often
as I have to reboot my computer.
Re: Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator [message #314660 is a reply to message #314638] Sun, 20 March 2016 18:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 21/03/2016 12:41 AM, aowen10@mail.bbk.ac.uk wrote:
> On Friday, 18 March 2016 20:28:41 UTC, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF
>> on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address)
>> where an article says:
>>
>> | Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for
>> | £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
>> | operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
>> | games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum
>> | software on their machines [...]
>>
>> I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a
>> Spectrum an Z80.
>>
>> I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
>> also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
>> (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
>> start. RUN just returns the cursor.
>>
>> So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum
>> emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or
>> emulated itself.
>
> Whitby Computers ported Sinclair BASIC to the C64 in 1985. That's probably the emulator you have in your collection. There's a thread about it on the Lemon64 forum with a contribution from the original author. POKEs work, but there's no Z80 emulator so machine code games won't run. I doubt a £12.95 emulator would include a Z80, so I wonder if the Video Vault solution was just a rebranded version of the Whitby Computers program, only with more marketing BS. The C128 could emulate a Spectrum quite easily as it has all the required hardware, but it would be about a third the speed of the original. So yeah, kind of pointless.
>


Probably, though at one time I used the old software IBM PC emulator on
my Amiga to run PASCAL when I was studying as I didn't have a PC at that
time and it got me out of trouble.

It was slow, but worked well enough to get the job done.
Re: Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator [message #314662 is a reply to message #314660] Sun, 20 March 2016 20:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <56ef1fff$0$1534$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>, Clocky
<notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
> On 21/03/2016 12:41 AM, aowen10@mail.bbk.ac.uk wrote:
>> On Friday, 18 March 2016 20:28:41 UTC, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>> I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF
>>> on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address)
>>> where an article says:
>>>
>>> | Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for
>>> | £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
>>> | operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
>>> | games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum
>>> | software on their machines [...]
>>>
>>> I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a
>>> Spectrum an Z80.
>>>
>>> I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
>>> also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
>>> (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
>>> start. RUN just returns the cursor.
>>>
>>> So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum
>>> emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or
>>> emulated itself.
>>
>> Whitby Computers ported Sinclair BASIC to the C64 in 1985. That's probably
>> the emulator you have in your collection. There's a thread about it on the
>> Lemon64 forum with a contribution from the original author. POKEs work, but
>> there's no Z80 emulator so machine code games won't run. I doubt a £12.95
>> emulator would include a Z80, so I wonder if the Video Vault solution was
>> just a rebranded version of the Whitby Computers program, only with more
>> marketing BS. The C128 could emulate a Spectrum quite easily as it has all
>> the required hardware, but it would be about a third the speed of the
>> original. So yeah, kind of pointless.
>
> Probably, though at one time I used the old software IBM PC emulator on
> my Amiga to run PASCAL when I was studying as I didn't have a PC at that
> time and it got me out of trouble.
>
> It was slow, but worked well enough to get the job done.

I helped beta-test one of the first (if not the first) Mac emulators on
the Amiga. It was handy for doing some of the university Mac work at
home too. :-)

I used to use the VirtualPC Windoze emultor on my Mac to access a
Windoze-only clip art CD, but later found a Mac application to access
it, so haven't had any use for that in quite a while.

The only other emulators I have are for various computers and handhelds
to play old games on my Mac.
Re: Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator [message #314725 is a reply to message #314629] Tue, 22 March 2016 00:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 20/03/2016 11:17 AM, Your Name wrote:
> In article <56edfe76$0$1513$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>, Clocky
> <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_Inc.
>>
>> Dumb sheeple might not care, but I do.
>
> I can't even be bothered clicking on a the link to an idiotic Wikipedia
> page - the whole website is full of lies, misinformation, and complete
> crap thanks to allowing any moron to post so-called "facts" without
> them actually being checked properly (and no, another moron "checking"
> them doesn't count either). :-\
>


Denial doesn't make the truth go away.
Re: Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator [message #314726 is a reply to message #314662] Tue, 22 March 2016 00:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 21/03/2016 8:56 AM, Your Name wrote:
> In article <56ef1fff$0$1534$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>, Clocky
> <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>> On 21/03/2016 12:41 AM, aowen10@mail.bbk.ac.uk wrote:
>>> On Friday, 18 March 2016 20:28:41 UTC, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>> I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF
>>>> on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address)
>>>> where an article says:
>>>>
>>>> | Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for
>>>> | £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
>>>> | operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
>>>> | games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum
>>>> | software on their machines [...]
>>>>
>>>> I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a
>>>> Spectrum an Z80.
>>>>
>>>> I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
>>>> also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
>>>> (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
>>>> start. RUN just returns the cursor.
>>>>
>>>> So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum
>>>> emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or
>>>> emulated itself.
>>>
>>> Whitby Computers ported Sinclair BASIC to the C64 in 1985. That's probably
>>> the emulator you have in your collection. There's a thread about it on the
>>> Lemon64 forum with a contribution from the original author. POKEs work, but
>>> there's no Z80 emulator so machine code games won't run. I doubt a £12.95
>>> emulator would include a Z80, so I wonder if the Video Vault solution was
>>> just a rebranded version of the Whitby Computers program, only with more
>>> marketing BS. The C128 could emulate a Spectrum quite easily as it has all
>>> the required hardware, but it would be about a third the speed of the
>>> original. So yeah, kind of pointless.
>>
>> Probably, though at one time I used the old software IBM PC emulator on
>> my Amiga to run PASCAL when I was studying as I didn't have a PC at that
>> time and it got me out of trouble.
>>
>> It was slow, but worked well enough to get the job done.
>
> I helped beta-test one of the first (if not the first) Mac emulators on
> the Amiga. It was handy for doing some of the university Mac work at
> home too. :-)
>
> I used to use the VirtualPC Windoze emultor on my Mac to access a
> Windoze-only clip art CD, but later found a Mac application to access
> it, so haven't had any use for that in quite a while.
>
> The only other emulators I have are for various computers and handhelds
> to play old games on my Mac.
>

Some of the 8 bit emulators I use have useful debugging features that
make dealing with the real hardware a bit easier.
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In article <56f0cd77$0$2756$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com>, Clocky
<notgonna@happen.com> wrote:

> On 20/03/2016 11:17 AM, Your Name wrote:
>> In article <56edfe76$0$1513$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>, Clocky
>> <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_Inc.
>>>
>>> Dumb sheeple might not care, but I do.
>>
>> I can't even be bothered clicking on a the link to an idiotic Wikipedia
>> page - the whole website is full of lies, misinformation, and complete
>> crap thanks to allowing any moron to post so-called "facts" without
>> them actually being checked properly (and no, another moron "checking"
>> them doesn't count either). :-\
>
> Denial doesn't make the truth go away.

Whatever it says there is almost certainly complete crap and/or
half-truth misinformation posted by anti-Apple numbnuts who haven't got
a clue what they're talking about.
Re: Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a Commodore 64 emulator [message #315059 is a reply to message #314555] Mon, 28 March 2016 17:07 Go to previous message
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Your Name wrote on 18. March 2016:
>
> In article <8737rn4jkc.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach
> <march.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
>
>> I was reading a British game magazine from June 1984 (is available as PDF
>> on archive.org - if anyone cares I can try to find the download address)
>> where an article says:
>>
>> | Video Vault International are bringing out the Commodore Emulator for
>> | £12.95. Once loaded into your machine, it emulates the Sinclair
>> | operating system and allows you to run your favourite Sinclair
>> | games. Commodore 64 owners should soon be able to load and run Spectrum
>> | software on their machines [...]
>>
>> I was curious if this works. Especially since a C64 has a 6510 CPU and a
>> Spectrum an Z80.
>>
>> I don't own a real Commodore 64 so emulate it with the VICE emulator. I
>> also found a program in my collection which has "Spectrum Emulator
>> (1985)" in its name. But although the program loads it just doesn't
>> start. RUN just returns the cursor.
>>
>> So I wonder if this is for real. Has anybody ever had a working Spectrum
>> emulator for the Commodore 64? Not important if on the real machine or
>> emulated itself.
>
> The CPU difference is irrelevant (since that's what "emulation" means)
> ... BUT whether such an emulation would be fast enough to be usable is
> another question.
>
> I've never heard of that emulator. It maybe be that it was partly
> hardware and requires the emulation cartridge to be plugged into a real
> C64 to work.

I found <http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12346> which says
it mainly emulates the Sinclair BASIC on the C64. But already PEEK and
POKE shall stop the emulation.
--
Andreas

I use a Unix based operating system, which means I get laid almost as often
as I have to reboot my computer.
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