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alg5 accidentently deleted a folder and emptied trash [message #313704] Sun, 06 March 2016 18:32 Go to next message
Charles Lenington is currently offline  Charles Lenington
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Bruce oh wise and wonderful

My daughter accidententally deleted a 100+/- gig folder and emptied
trash. Is there a way to get it back? I can't remember how or if possible.

G5 10.5.8

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Re: alg5 accidentently deleted a folder and emptied trash [message #313705 is a reply to message #313704] Sun, 06 March 2016 18:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Stop using the hard drive immediately.

There are commercial utilities available. You will have to look for one that still supports 10.5 or has an older version available that will support 10.5. It's also possible that you could mount the disk from a more modern operating system and use such a utility from there.

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> On Mar 6, 2016, at 18:32, Charles Lenington <macsonly@cotc.net> wrote:
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> Bruce oh wise and wonderful
>
> My daughter accidententally deleted a 100+/- gig folder and emptied trash. Is there a way to get it back? I can't remember how or if possible.
>
> G5 10.5.8
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Re: alg5 accidentently deleted a folder and emptied trash [message #313706 is a reply to message #313705] Sun, 06 March 2016 19:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bruce Johnson is currently offline  Bruce Johnson
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What James said. Stop using that computer.

I recommend Prosoft Data Rescue https://www.prosofteng.com

Actually what I REALLY recommend is maintaining regular backups and restoring the deleted stuff from backup :-), but I try not to rub it in too much in these cases.

Time Machine or Carbon Copy Cloner make this very simple to do, and Time Machine is free. Restoring with a utility like Data Rescue is tedious, expensive and time-intensive.

Get an external HDD, plug it in and let Time Machine do it’s thing. It has saved my butt numerous times, and once it’s set up and running you can just ignore it until you need it.


> On Mar 6, 2016, at 4:36 PM, James Knight <dr.james.knight@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Stop using the hard drive immediately.
>
> There are commercial utilities available. You will have to look for one that still supports 10.5 or has an older version available that will support 10.5. It's also possible that you could mount the disk from a more modern operating system and use such a utility from there.
>
> Sent from my mobile device.
>
>> On Mar 6, 2016, at 18:32, Charles Lenington <macsonly@cotc.net> wrote:
>>
>> Bruce oh wise and wonderful
>>
>> My daughter accidententally deleted a 100+/- gig folder and emptied trash. Is there a way to get it back? I can't remember how or if possible.
>>
>> G5 10.5.8
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Re: alg5 accidentently deleted a folder and emptied trash [message #313718 is a reply to message #313704] Sun, 06 March 2016 18:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Charles,
You might wish to check out the Wondershare website (mac-file-recovery.wondershare.net/). They seem to have excellent products at very fair prices. The only issue would be if their program
would work with 10.5.8. In any case, you should not use the affected hard drive until you recover the lost data. Any new information saved to the drive will
overwrite what has been erased. If Wondershare doesn't have a data recovery program that handles 10.5.8, perhaps they could recommend one, if you contacted
their customer service.
Good luck,
Bob C.




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Bruce oh wise and wonderful

My daughter accidententally deleted a 100+/- gig folder and emptied
trash. Is there a way to get it back? I can't remember how or if possible.

G5 10.5.8

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Re: alg5 accidentently deleted a folder and emptied trash [message #313778 is a reply to message #313706] Mon, 07 March 2016 12:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Get an external HDD, plug it in and let Time Machine do it’s thing. It has
saved my butt numerous times, and once it’s set up and running you can just
ignore it until you need it. "

I use Time Machine, but have been reluctant to leave the external drive on
24/7. I usually plug it in and run periodic backups. In your opinion,
does leaving the external drive on and connected all the time wear out the
drive much faster than leaving it on? I don't make that many daily changes
to critical data, and when I do, I do an immediate backup.

Thanks,
Mira

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 6:32:30 PM UTC-6, joh...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
wrote:
>
> What James said. Stop using that computer.
>
> I recommend Prosoft Data Rescue https://www.prosofteng.com
>
> Actually what I REALLY recommend is maintaining regular backups and
> restoring the deleted stuff from backup :-), but I try not to rub it in too
> much in these cases.
>
> Time Machine or Carbon Copy Cloner make this very simple to do, and Time
> Machine is free. Restoring with a utility like Data Rescue is tedious,
> expensive and time-intensive.
>
> Get an external HDD, plug it in and let Time Machine do it’s thing. It has
> saved my butt numerous times, and once it’s set up and running you can just
> ignore it until you need it.
>
>
>> On Mar 6, 2016, at 4:36 PM, James Knight <dr.jame...@gmail.com
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>>
>> Stop using the hard drive immediately.
>>
>> There are commercial utilities available. You will have to look for one
> that still supports 10.5 or has an older version available that will
> support 10.5. It's also possible that you could mount the disk from a more
> modern operating system and use such a utility from there.
>>
>> Sent from my mobile device.
>>
>>> On Mar 6, 2016, at 18:32, Charles Lenington <macs...@cotc.net
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bruce oh wise and wonderful
>>>
>>> My daughter accidententally deleted a 100+/- gig folder and emptied
> trash. Is there a way to get it back? I can't remember how or if possible.
>>>
>>> G5 10.5.8
>>>
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Re: alg5 accidentently deleted a folder and emptied trash [message #313788 is a reply to message #313778] Mon, 07 March 2016 15:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bruce Johnson is currently offline  Bruce Johnson
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> On Mar 7, 2016, at 10:47 AM, mkehoe <mirakehoe@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "Get an external HDD, plug it in and let Time Machine do it’s thing. It has saved my butt numerous times, and once it’s set up and running you can just ignore it until you need it. "
>
> I use Time Machine, but have been reluctant to leave the external drive on 24/7. I usually plug it in and run periodic backups. In your opinion, does leaving the external drive on and connected all the time wear out the drive much faster than leaving it on? I don't make that many daily changes to critical data, and when I do, I do an immediate backup.

As a rule, for desktop macs, I tend to say ‘leave it on’ (but see below). The Seagate HDD I use will go to sleep when the computer does or is turned off. I’ve had a couple of disk failures over the years, but fortunately the backup disks never failed at the same time as the computer ones :-)

For laptops, I do the same thing that you do, mainly for convenience. So long as you are disciplined about the ‘regular’ part :-) this is a good backup strategy.

A PROPER backup strategy would involve multiple disks, rotating them on and off site, unfortunately Time Machine isn’t well suited for that;I’d use Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper if I was going to go that route.

Cloud-based solutions are also an option, if you have a fast enough network connection.

In the light of the advent of Mac ransomware, < http://researchcenter.paloaltonetworks.com/2016/03/new-os-x- ransomware-keranger-infected-transmission-bittorrent-client- installer/> however, I’m starting to think that maybe keeping backups disconnected might be a good thing; if you get a ransomware infection, all mounted volumes are going to be affected, which would include a Time Machine volume.

KeRanger is a particularly scary case; it was properly signed, so gatekeeper would let you just download it and run it, if you had set your security settings appropriately (or, *in*appropriately in this case!).

I would go to the System Preferences, and make sure that the Security And Privacy general settings were set to only allow apps from the Mac App Store (ideally) or ‘Mac App Store and Identified developers’ (which would have let you run the infected application without a problem :-(.

This isn’t as onerous as you might think; if you download a program from someplace that isn’t signed (like lots of perfectly safe Open Source stuff) you can run it by right-clicking on the program icon and selecting ‘Open’. You will get a windows saying this is from an ‘unidentified developer’ are you sure?. If you click on Yes, the program will run and be entered into your Gatekeeper ‘allowed apps’ database so you can run it again after that by just double-clicking on it.

This ransomware stuff is insidous, we had one Windows system on our network get infected last week by Locky, and it managed to encrypt several terabytes of mounted network volumes before we disconnected it. We were easily able to restore from the previous backups, but it takes about a day to restore everything from tape.

This *sounds* expensive, after all, we’re talking about a couple $70-$120 drives and a fair bit of work, but consider the cost of recreating everything on your hard drive…if it’s even possible, you can’t go back in time and re-take baby pictures.

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Re: alg5 accidentently deleted a folder and emptied trash [message #313835 is a reply to message #313778] Tue, 08 March 2016 08:08 Go to previous message
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I agree with others who have suggested keeping backups of your computer. IMHO, the external drive that runs TimeMachine should be ON 24/7. I have 2 external drives: 1 runs TimeMachine and the other runs SuperDuper!. SuperDuper! is like CarbonCopy Cloner in that it runs on a schedule that you determine and you can use the external HD to boot your Mac. Very valuable.

Larry


> On Mar 7, 2016, at 12:47 PM, mkehoe <mirakehoe@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "Get an external HDD, plug it in and let Time Machine do it’s thing. It has saved my butt numerous times, and once it’s set up and running you can just ignore it until you need it. "
>
> I use Time Machine, but have been reluctant to leave the external drive on 24/7. I usually plug it in and run periodic backups. In your opinion, does leaving the external drive on and connected all the time wear out the drive much faster than leaving it on? I don't make that many daily changes to critical data, and when I do, I do an immediate backup.
>
> Thanks,
> Mira
>
> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 6:32:30 PM UTC-6, joh...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:
> What James said. Stop using that computer.
>
> I recommend Prosoft Data Rescue https://www.prosofteng.com <https://www.prosofteng.com/>
>
> Actually what I REALLY recommend is maintaining regular backups and restoring the deleted stuff from backup :-), but I try not to rub it in too much in these cases.
>
> Time Machine or Carbon Copy Cloner make this very simple to do, and Time Machine is free. Restoring with a utility like Data Rescue is tedious, expensive and time-intensive.
>
> Get an external HDD, plug it in and let Time Machine do it’s thing. It has saved my butt numerous times, and once it’s set up and running you can just ignore it until you need it.
>
>
>> On Mar 6, 2016, at 4:36 PM, James Knight <dr.jame...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote:
>>
>> Stop using the hard drive immediately.
>>
>> There are commercial utilities available. You will have to look for one that still supports 10.5 or has an older version available that will support 10.5. It's also possible that you could mount the disk from a more modern operating system and use such a utility from there.
>>
>> Sent from my mobile device.
>>
>>> On Mar 6, 2016, at 18:32, Charles Lenington <macs...@cotc.net <javascript:>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bruce oh wise and wonderful
>>>
>>> My daughter accidententally deleted a 100+/- gig folder and emptied trash. Is there a way to get it back? I can't remember how or if possible.
>>>
>>> G5 10.5.8
>>>
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