| Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual? [message #303281] |
Sat, 24 October 2015 14:54  |
mkehoe
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Can I take out the video card from my G4 867 dual MDD that has been sitting
idle for 6-7 years and install it in my G4 1.25 dual MDD?
The Apple genius bar person was pretty sure that the video card on the 1.25
dual G4 is causing the symptoms I've been having: long time on the solid
blue screen before my home page appears, etc.
This is the card I would swap out:
http://lowendmac.com/2002/power-macintosh-g4-mirrored-drive- doors/
Video: Nvidia GeForce 4 MX on 867 MHz model,
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro <http://lowendmac.com/video/agp/radeon-9000.html> on
faster models; AGP 4x; DVI and ADC ports, includes DVI-to-VGA adapter
A) Is the Nvidia GeForce 4 MX video card compatible with the 1.25 dual G4?
B) Would the visual difference in video display (between the two cards) be
very obvious?
C) Is this a fairly easy job? I've installed other cards, internal and
optical drives, but years ago.
The cost of purchasing a replacement video card seems not worth it, but we
would like to continue to use this computer as long as we can. I kept the
867 dual drive for parts when the power supply was failing. I bought the
1.25 dual drive at a low cost some years ago, and decided to move my drives
into it, rather than use its power supply for the ailing 867.
Thanks for any advice...
Mira
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| Re: Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual? [message #303282 is a reply to message #303281] |
Sat, 24 October 2015 15:28  |
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> Can I take out the video card from my G4 867 dual MDD that has been sitting
> idle for 6-7 years and install it in my G4 1.25 dual MDD?
Yes, it should just work. The 9000 Pro is overall a more powerful card than
the 4 MX, but the performance delta is not large. If you want the gory
details on the differences, see
http://www.anandtech.com/show/946/10
It's no difficult than swapping any other AGP card.
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| Re: Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual? [message #303289 is a reply to message #303282] |
Sat, 24 October 2015 15:47 |
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Does that machine have a PRAM and CUDA button? If so dump both no matter
what you do. It could just be old settings and config causing problems.
Especially if you have changed any components recently.
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On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
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>> Can I take out the video card from my G4 867 dual MDD that has been
> sitting
>> idle for 6-7 years and install it in my G4 1.25 dual MDD?
>
> Yes, it should just work. The 9000 Pro is overall a more powerful card than
> the 4 MX, but the performance delta is not large. If you want the gory
> details on the differences, see
>
> http://www.anandtech.com/show/946/10
>
> It's no difficult than swapping any other AGP card.
>
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| Re: Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual? [message #303290 is a reply to message #303281] |
Sat, 24 October 2015 15:49 |
mkehoe
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Wow! Thanks for the detailed and quick responses! We have to perform
tonight, but I'll try to get to it on Sunday and report back.
Mira
On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Mac User #330250 <macuser330250@gmx.net>
wrote:
> Original message from mkehoe, 2015-10-24 20:54:
>> Can I take out the video card from my G4 867 dual MDD that has been
> sitting
>> idle for 6-7 years and install it in my G4 1.25 dual MDD?
>
> Yes, sure. I've done that and it really isn't a lot of work.
>> The Apple genius bar person was pretty sure that the video card on the
> 1.25
>> dual G4 is causing the symptoms I've been having: long time on the solid
>> blue screen before my home page appears, etc.
>>
>> This is the card I would swap out:
>> http://lowendmac.com/2002/power-macintosh-g4-mirrored-drive- doors/
>> Video: Nvidia GeForce 4 MX on 867 MHz model,
>> ATI Radeon 9000 Pro <http://lowendmac.com/video/agp/radeon-9000.html> on
>> faster models; AGP 4x; DVI and ADC ports, includes DVI-to-VGA adapter
>
> I have the same cards. My GeForce 4 MX is from a Quicksilver and the
> Readon 9000 Pro from the MDD. They are both AGP cards with the Apple
> specific ADC. They are interchangeable.
>
>> A) Is the Nvidia GeForce 4 MX video card compatible with the 1.25 dual
> G4?
>
> Yes.
>
>> B) Would the visual difference in video display (between the two cards)
> be
>> very obvious?
>
> No. At least I wouldn't see it… I tend to think they are both of equal
> graphics performance.
>
>> C) Is this a fairly easy job? I've installed other cards, internal and
>> optical drives, but years ago.
>
> Yes.
> 1) Remove the power cord from both Macs.
>
> MAKE SURE YOU ARE ELECTRICALLY/STATICALLY GROUNDED. It is sufficient if
> you touch the metall of the case while you touch the graphics card. If
> you are statically charged when you touch the graphics card, you could
> damage it. So touch the metal of your Macs case first and you will be
> discharged and keep contact with the case (always before touching other
> electronic components) and you should be safe!
>
> 2) On both Macs: open up the case and remove the display cable from the
> graphics card.
> 3) Swap the cards. All you need is a Phillips head screwdriver. (One
> srew on top of the AGP card.) Be careful pulling out the card, but it
> really isn't that hard to do. Just use the force necessary to get it
> out. Putting it in is the same, just the other way around.
> 4) Close the case and reconnect the display cables.
> Done. Mac OS X will automatically use the correct graphics driver.
>
>> The cost of purchasing a replacement video card seems not worth it, but
> we
>> would like to continue to use this computer as long as we can. I kept
> the
>> 867 dual drive for parts when the power supply was failing. I bought the
>> 1.25 dual drive at a low cost some years ago, and decided to move my
> drives
>> into it, rather than use its power supply for the ailing 867.
>>
>> Thanks for any advice...
>>
>> Mira
>
> Good luck!
> Andreas aka Mac User #330250
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| Re: Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual? [message #303291 is a reply to message #303289] |
Sat, 24 October 2015 15:53 |
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I haven't changed any components recently. What do you mean "dump" ? Hold
the button down?
Also, a year or so ago I purchased a new PRAM battery, but didn't install
it. Would this be a good time to do that, and if so, the battery first, or
the video card?
Mira
On Saturday, October 24, 2015, W.Adrian D'Alessio <fluxstringer@gmail.com>
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> Does that machine have a PRAM and CUDA button? If so dump both no matter
> what you do. It could just be old settings and config causing problems.
>
> Especially if you have changed any components recently.
>
>
> Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer
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>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','spectre@floodgap.com');>> wrote:
>
>>> Can I take out the video card from my G4 867 dual MDD that has been
>> sitting
>>> idle for 6-7 years and install it in my G4 1.25 dual MDD?
>>
>> Yes, it should just work. The 9000 Pro is overall a more powerful card
>> than
>> the 4 MX, but the performance delta is not large. If you want the gory
>> details on the differences, see
>>
>> http://www.anandtech.com/show/946/10
>>
>> It's no difficult than swapping any other AGP card.
>>
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| Re: Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual? [message #303292 is a reply to message #303282] |
Sat, 24 October 2015 15:54 |
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Thanks for your quick feedback!
On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
>> Can I take out the video card from my G4 867 dual MDD that has been
> sitting
>> idle for 6-7 years and install it in my G4 1.25 dual MDD?
>
> Yes, it should just work. The 9000 Pro is overall a more powerful card than
> the 4 MX, but the performance delta is not large. If you want the gory
> details on the differences, see
>
> http://www.anandtech.com/show/946/10
>
> It's no difficult than swapping any other AGP card.
>
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| Re: Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual? [message #303295 is a reply to message #303281] |
Sat, 24 October 2015 18:10 |
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On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 9:54 PM, mkehoe <mirakehoe@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Apple genius bar person was pretty sure that the video card on the 1.25
> dual G4 is causing the symptoms I've been having: long time on the solid
> blue screen before my home page appears, etc.
They still provide support at the Genius Bar for PowerPC products?
That's pretty surprising. When you say "home page", I assume you're
talking about the login screen when booting? I don't see how your
graphics card could affect that unless there's something going on with
hardware identification/initialization that is causing a delay. You
could use a utility like XPostFacto to enter verbose mode on startup
and look at any messages that stall for a while.
While there is a difference between those two cards (the 9000 is a
level or two higher than the MX 4 in terms of performance, depending
on the specific model of card) there shouldn't be any noticeable
difference in OS X itself, unless you're doing some gaming or running
a really high resolution.
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| Re: Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual? [message #303296 is a reply to message #303295] |
Sat, 24 October 2015 18:38 |
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By "home page", I mean my "desktop"... I'm the only user on this
computer, so I don't log in.
The Apple person said the the graphics card is the last thing to "boot
up" ... I'm not sure that's the term he used, but he said that's why
the blue screen is taking so long.
It wouldn't hurt to change out the cards and see how it behaves.
I think that using the utility you mentioned could be a good idea, but
I could possibly get myself in a situation I can't interpret.
The Apple Genius Bar will let you bring in any Apple device, they just
won't "repair" anything that's too old. They have been very helpful
over the years.
Thanks for your thoughts,
Mira
On 10/24/15, NODEraser <noderaser@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 9:54 PM, mkehoe <mirakehoe@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The Apple genius bar person was pretty sure that the video card on the
>> 1.25
>> dual G4 is causing the symptoms I've been having: long time on the solid
>> blue screen before my home page appears, etc.
>
> They still provide support at the Genius Bar for PowerPC products?
> That's pretty surprising. When you say "home page", I assume you're
> talking about the login screen when booting? I don't see how your
> graphics card could affect that unless there's something going on with
> hardware identification/initialization that is causing a delay. You
> could use a utility like XPostFacto to enter verbose mode on startup
> and look at any messages that stall for a while.
>
> While there is a difference between those two cards (the 9000 is a
> level or two higher than the MX 4 in terms of performance, depending
> on the specific model of card) there shouldn't be any noticeable
> difference in OS X itself, unless you're doing some gaming or running
> a really high resolution.
>
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| Re: Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual? [message #303334 is a reply to message #303296] |
Sun, 25 October 2015 17:36 |
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Thanks, everyone, for your advice! I successfully swapped out the video
cards this afternoon; it only took 10 minutes. Some applications seem to
take a little more time to open or close, but everything seems to be
working fine as of now.
I appreciate the experience of this group.... many thanks!
Mira
On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Mira Kehoe <mirakehoe@gmail.com> wrote:
> By "home page", I mean my "desktop"... I'm the only user on this
> computer, so I don't log in.
>
> The Apple person said the the graphics card is the last thing to "boot
> up" ... I'm not sure that's the term he used, but he said that's why
> the blue screen is taking so long.
>
> It wouldn't hurt to change out the cards and see how it behaves.
>
> I think that using the utility you mentioned could be a good idea, but
> I could possibly get myself in a situation I can't interpret.
>
> The Apple Genius Bar will let you bring in any Apple device, they just
> won't "repair" anything that's too old. They have been very helpful
> over the years.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
>
> Mira
>
> On 10/24/15, NODEraser <noderaser@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 9:54 PM, mkehoe <mirakehoe@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Apple genius bar person was pretty sure that the video card on the
>>> 1.25
>>> dual G4 is causing the symptoms I've been having: long time on the solid
>>> blue screen before my home page appears, etc.
>>
>> They still provide support at the Genius Bar for PowerPC products?
>> That's pretty surprising. When you say "home page", I assume you're
>> talking about the login screen when booting? I don't see how your
>> graphics card could affect that unless there's something going on with
>> hardware identification/initialization that is causing a delay. You
>> could use a utility like XPostFacto to enter verbose mode on startup
>> and look at any messages that stall for a while.
>>
>> While there is a difference between those two cards (the 9000 is a
>> level or two higher than the MX 4 in terms of performance, depending
>> on the specific model of card) there shouldn't be any noticeable
>> difference in OS X itself, unless you're doing some gaming or running
>> a really high resolution.
>>
>> --
>> [Greg Bennett]
>> -Independent Carpenter, Electrician & Lighting Designer
>> -Purveyor of Classic Apple & Macintosh Gear
>> http://www.hsiprodsvcs.com/
>> http://www.macshack.us/
>>
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| Re: Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual? [message #303376 is a reply to message #303334] |
Mon, 26 October 2015 14:43 |
W.Adrian D'Alessio
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Pulling the battery will dump the PRAM memory. If there is a CUDA switch on
the mobo yes, get a small stick, reach in and hold it down at least 60
seconds.
CUDA looks like a tiny silver square with a black or red tiny button in the
middle.
Somewhere online there will be a photo or digaram of your mobo.
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On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Mira Kehoe <mirakehoe@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, everyone, for your advice! I successfully swapped out the video
> cards this afternoon; it only took 10 minutes. Some applications seem to
> take a little more time to open or close, but everything seems to be
> working fine as of now.
>
> I appreciate the experience of this group.... many thanks!
>
> Mira
>
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Mira Kehoe <mirakehoe@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> By "home page", I mean my "desktop"... I'm the only user on this
>> computer, so I don't log in.
>>
>> The Apple person said the the graphics card is the last thing to "boot
>> up" ... I'm not sure that's the term he used, but he said that's why
>> the blue screen is taking so long.
>>
>> It wouldn't hurt to change out the cards and see how it behaves.
>>
>> I think that using the utility you mentioned could be a good idea, but
>> I could possibly get myself in a situation I can't interpret.
>>
>> The Apple Genius Bar will let you bring in any Apple device, they just
>> won't "repair" anything that's too old. They have been very helpful
>> over the years.
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts,
>>
>> Mira
>>
>> On 10/24/15, NODEraser <noderaser@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 9:54 PM, mkehoe <mirakehoe@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Apple genius bar person was pretty sure that the video card on the
>>>> 1.25
>>>> dual G4 is causing the symptoms I've been having: long time on the
>> solid
>>>> blue screen before my home page appears, etc.
>>>
>>> They still provide support at the Genius Bar for PowerPC products?
>>> That's pretty surprising. When you say "home page", I assume you're
>>> talking about the login screen when booting? I don't see how your
>>> graphics card could affect that unless there's something going on with
>>> hardware identification/initialization that is causing a delay. You
>>> could use a utility like XPostFacto to enter verbose mode on startup
>>> and look at any messages that stall for a while.
>>>
>>> While there is a difference between those two cards (the 9000 is a
>>> level or two higher than the MX 4 in terms of performance, depending
>>> on the specific model of card) there shouldn't be any noticeable
>>> difference in OS X itself, unless you're doing some gaming or running
>>> a really high resolution.
>>>
>>> --
>>> [Greg Bennett]
>>> -Independent Carpenter, Electrician & Lighting Designer
>>> -Purveyor of Classic Apple & Macintosh Gear
>>> http://www.hsiprodsvcs.com/
>>> http://www.macshack.us/
>>>
>>> --
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>>> You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group
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>> Power
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| Swap out video cards: G4 867 dual into G4 1.25 dual? [message #303386 is a reply to message #303376] |
Mon, 26 October 2015 17:40 |
mkehoe
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Thanks!
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:43 PM, W.Adrian D'Alessio <fluxstringer@gmail.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','fluxstringer@gmail.com');>> wrote:
> Pulling the battery will dump the PRAM memory. If there is a CUDA switch
> on the mobo yes, get a small stick, reach in and hold it down at least 60
> seconds.
>
> CUDA looks like a tiny silver square with a black or red tiny button in
> the middle.
>
> Somewhere online there will be a photo or digaram of your mobo.
>
>
> Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer
> fluxstringer@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','fluxstringer@gmail.com');>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/
> http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer
> https://www.youtube.com/user/fluxstringer
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications
> http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/
> http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Mira Kehoe <mirakehoe@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mirakehoe@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, everyone, for your advice! I successfully swapped out the video
>> cards this afternoon; it only took 10 minutes. Some applications seem to
>> take a little more time to open or close, but everything seems to be
>> working fine as of now.
>>
>> I appreciate the experience of this group.... many thanks!
>>
>> Mira
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Mira Kehoe <mirakehoe@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mirakehoe@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> By "home page", I mean my "desktop"... I'm the only user on this
>>> computer, so I don't log in.
>>>
>>> The Apple person said the the graphics card is the last thing to "boot
>>> up" ... I'm not sure that's the term he used, but he said that's why
>>> the blue screen is taking so long.
>>>
>>> It wouldn't hurt to change out the cards and see how it behaves.
>>>
>>> I think that using the utility you mentioned could be a good idea, but
>>> I could possibly get myself in a situation I can't interpret.
>>>
>>> The Apple Genius Bar will let you bring in any Apple device, they just
>>> won't "repair" anything that's too old. They have been very helpful
>>> over the years.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your thoughts,
>>>
>>> Mira
>>>
>>> On 10/24/15, NODEraser <noderaser@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 9:54 PM, mkehoe <mirakehoe@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > The Apple genius bar person was pretty sure that the video card on the
>>>> > 1.25
>>>> > dual G4 is causing the symptoms I've been having: long time on the
>>> solid
>>>> > blue screen before my home page appears, etc.
>>>>
>>>> They still provide support at the Genius Bar for PowerPC products?
>>>> That's pretty surprising. When you say "home page", I assume you're
>>>> talking about the login screen when booting? I don't see how your
>>>> graphics card could affect that unless there's something going on with
>>>> hardware identification/initialization that is causing a delay. You
>>>> could use a utility like XPostFacto to enter verbose mode on startup
>>>> and look at any messages that stall for a while.
>>>>
>>>> While there is a difference between those two cards (the 9000 is a
>>>> level or two higher than the MX 4 in terms of performance, depending
>>>> on the specific model of card) there shouldn't be any noticeable
>>>> difference in OS X itself, unless you're doing some gaming or running
>>>> a really high resolution.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> [Greg Bennett]
>>>> -Independent Carpenter, Electrician & Lighting Designer
>>>> -Purveyor of Classic Apple & Macintosh Gear
>>>> http://www.hsiprodsvcs.com/
>>>> http://www.macshack.us/
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>> for
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>>> Power
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