Article-I.D.: well.2063
Posted: Mon Nov 17 04:47:36 1986
Date-Received: Tue, 18-Nov-86 05:56:11 EST
Organization: Whole Earth Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA
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As far as all this talk about vt100 goes, I use it all the time, but I
would really like a more professional Kermit like interface.  Say
maybe do honest wild card sends.  I have used Kermit for every
computer I can lay my hands on and VT100 is really pushing the bottom
of the limit as far as sophisticated Kermit file transfer protocol
goes.  Well, if it was supposed to be Kermit it would be called
Kermit.  It is called VT100, the most sophisticated TERMINAL program
for the Amiga.  And as far as Kermit for the Amiga goes I would kind
of like a more Mac Kermit like interface, without getting rid of the
nice command line option.  Amiga Kermit is more sophisticated than Mac
Kermit but I see the Amiga as being able to have the Best
telecommunication program ever!  Anybody heard of Project Victoria?
Or what is that, "uw" for the Mac with the multiple windows onto Unix?
How about using Matt's asyncronis (it's late) disk writes to not slow
down file transfers and session logging. Or just sliding windows
implimented on a Kermit for one of my machines!  I like the Mac
version because it opens dialog boxes for file transfers and such.
It's alot prettier than Amiga Kermit. 

I am not saying that I want Mac Kermit for my Amiga, I love the fact
that I can call Amiga Kermit as a command line.  That is one of it's
many attractions over VT100 2.2.  Jack Rouse did a wonderful job.  He
is one of the members of the Software Distillery in NC.  The Blink
people (which still beats Alink, at least on the stuff I have tried
since I got gamma).  Someone recently was saying that they had found
the sources for Amiga Kermit.  I think that Jack once though of
posting the sources for Kermit but they were TOO big.  I know that
members of the Software Distillery read this net (Hi, John) and would
be more than happy to tell you how to get a copy of the most recent
version of Kermit for the Amiga (is there anything new with it these
days?).  I myself have done my share of distributing it as a part of
distributing IBM and C-64 and Amiga Kermits.  But SD in NC will have
the most recent copies. 

Last comment and then I will go home:

I am using Mike ("he'll be jello when he's dead") Meyer's
MicroGnuEmacs 0.4 and love it to death. Heck, I am using it right now.
All other editors are nothing compared to this one.  However I like
the c-tags function of Manx's Z editor.  This has compile time options
to make a very customized Emacs.  Lot's of mouse commands, full menu
(like Andy's) only if you want all the normal menus are in the first
menu, and all the commands are in subcommands.  This leaves the rest
of the menu bar for one of my favorite features.  A Browser like way
of getting files loaded in.  The second menu says Disks, and the
menuitems are df0: df1: and ram:, select one and the next menu is that
directory, and so on, and so on.  'es var-ry niice! 

If you startup your CLI in 48 column mode Emacs will go to 48 column
mode like Andy's Emacs, I just wish that there was a compile time option
to open Emacs on a different screen and then be able to go from 24 to
48 with a command.  Seems like it might be too much trouble, since this
Emacs will run on anything from a CP/M machine to a Tops-20.  Nice work
Mike, have you seen fish 35-40 yet?

All right, I have ranted enough for this week.  In closing I am wondering
if there is anyone out there who is reading there UseNet mail on their
Amiga. I am busy implementing ReadNews on the Amiga and having it Auto-
matically go and get my news for me, and automatically mail off anything
I edit on my Amiga.  I am in the beginning stages, but if someone else is
already doing it, why should I duplicate the effort, or maybe someone would
like to help!  If it gets good and transportable I may publish the results
some day.

Oh look, a cute .signature file!

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Article-I.D.: jade.1730
Posted: Tue Nov 18 23:56:23 1986
Date-Received: Wed, 19-Nov-86 21:52:30 EST
References: <2063@well.UUCP>
Sender: usenet@jade.BERKELEY.EDU
Reply-To: mwm@eris.BERKELEY.EDU (Mike (Don't have strength to leave) Meyer)
Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica
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[This should really go direct to Randy, but I need to place credit
where credit is due.]

In article <2063@well.UUCP> spencer@well.UUCP (Randal Spencer) writes:
 > Or what is that, "uw" for the Mac with the multiple windows onto Unix?

I've written two, neither of which was good enough to release. Wiring
it into VT100 is on the list of things to do. See the complete list at
the end so you'll have some idea of how long this is going to take.

 > I am using Mike ("he'll be jello when he's dead") Meyer's

Uh, that *WAS* "I'll be mellow when I'm dead." The line has changed,
though.

 > MicroGnuEmacs 0.4 and love it to death. Heck, I am using it right now.

Thank you for the kind words.

0.4 is the last beta release. My understanding is that the real
release has gone to mod.sources. It will also be available at Winner's
Circle Systems (in Berkeley) in the near future. This is version 1a
(numbering scheme chosen so as not to coincide with any existing
microemacs. Also because it's the most rational :-).

 > All other editors are nothing compared to this one.  However I like

Damn straight. If you've got an Amiga, this is *THE* microemacs to
use. Anywhere else you can't run GNU, it should be seriously
considered.

However, most of the work on the Amiga version was done by Mic K[a-z]*
(mic@utexas.ngp.edu), and hence he deserves most of the credit. The
GNU-ishness and the mouse interface and the browser are mine, but Mic
rewrote them and made it all work well. There are also several (many)
others who chased nasty bugs out of the thing, and fixed them.

 > the c-tags function of Manx's Z editor.

The GNU etags may appear in the next version. Maybe.

 > This has compile time options to make a very customized Emacs.

Warning: Due to the large number of compile-time commands, not all
variations of the compile have been properly tested with both Amiga
compilers. Nuts, not even the five configurations that come with it
have been properly tested (though they DO compile - or at least
should). Testing an Emacs (even a small one) takes time. Bug reports
(and fixes, I hope) should be handled as described in the
documentation that Mic wrote.

 > Lot's of mouse commands, full menu
 > (like Andy's) only if you want all the normal menus are in the first
 > menu, and all the commands are in subcommands.  This leaves the rest
 > of the menu bar for one of my favorite features.  A Browser like way
 > of getting files loaded in.  The second menu says Disks, and the
 > menuitems are df0: df1: and ram:, select one and the next menu is that
 > directory, and so on, and so on.  'es var-ry niice! 

Not browser like, that *is* the browser. That's what became of the
second version I never wrote - it got wired into Emacs, where it's
much more useful.

 > If you startup your CLI in 48 column mode Emacs will go to 48 column
 > mode like Andy's Emacs, I just wish that there was a compile time option
 > to open Emacs on a different screen and then be able to go from 24 to
 > 48 with a command.  Seems like it might be too much trouble, since this
 > Emacs will run on anything from a CP/M machine to a Tops-20.  Nice work

Actually, Mic and I talked about doing a version that ran on a second
Screen. Wouldn't be hard to do, but we didn't think it would be worth
the trouble. You might try compiling with TOGGLE_ZOOMS set. You can
then go from 48 rows (not columns) by 80 columns to (arbitrary size,
up to 47 rows by 77 columns) and back with
shift-meta-control-echo-mouse. The default resizeable window is 23x77.

 > Mike, have you seen fish 35-40 yet?

Just the listing. I was glad to see the Little Smalltalk on it, so I
can take that off my list of things to do. Going to go looking for
them again later this week.  And maybe try and buy the real 1.2 disks. 

 > All right, I have ranted enough for this week.  In closing I am wondering
 > if there is anyone out there who is reading there UseNet mail on their
 > Amiga. I am busy implementing ReadNews on the Amiga and having it Auto-
 > matically go and get my news for me, and automatically mail off anything
 > I edit on my Amiga.  I am in the beginning stages, but if someone else is
 > already doing it, why should I duplicate the effort, or maybe someone would
 > like to help!  If it gets good and transportable I may publish the results
 > some day.

Hey, great. Just make sure that it won't be hard to make it talk to
the remote netnews server if you've got some form of TCP/IP on your
Amiga.

 > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
 > Randy Spencer P.O. Box 4542 Berkeley CA 94704 (415)284-4740 ...well!spencer
 >                          I N F I N I T Y             spencer@USCVAXQ.bitnet
 > Now working for          |||||||||||::::... . .     spencer@usc-oberon.arpa  
 > But in no way            |||||||||||||||::::.. .. . .
 > Officially representing  ||||||||||||:::::... .. 
 >                          s o f t w a r e 
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Nice to see you've found a job.

	mwm@berkeley.edu
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Article-I.D.: ulowell.780
Posted: Fri Nov 21 15:59:12 1986
Date-Received: Sun, 23-Nov-86 02:02:49 EST
References: <2063@well.UUCP> <1730@jade.BERKELEY.EDU>
Reply-To: page@ulowell.UUCP (Bob Page)
Organization: University of Lowell
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Mike (Don't have strength to leave) Meyer wrote:
 > List of things to do. [...] Since all the resulting code is/will
 > be publicly available, if you're interested in doing any of these
 > things, let me know!
 > [..]
 > *) Port cron to AmigaDOS.

Yow!  If you have a PD cron, send it and I'll make it work.
Then again, cron from scratch shouldn't be so hard...

..Bob
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Bob Page,  U of Lowell CS Dept.      ulowell!page,  page@ulowell.CSNET