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Re: Throwing in the Towel [message #28729] Fri, 14 December 2012 09:10 Go to next message
Michael McMurtrey is currently offline  Michael McMurtrey
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On Dec 14, 2012, at 5:49 AM, Richard Gerome wrote:
> I will hang on to the card and see if it works if I ever get a G5.

There is a version of the 9800 that works on a G4, but they are
expensive and hard to find; I know because I have been looking for one
myself without success. The one card I did find (on ebay) had a
problem (hot, ozone smell and only 128 MB available of the 256 MB
alleged) and was returned to the seller. That's why I finally settled
on a 9600.

A later version of the 9800 worked only of G5s (or so I've been told)
and I'll bet that is the one you have.

Michael McMurtrey
Carrollton, TX



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Re: Throwing in the Towel [message #28763 is a reply to message #28729] Fri, 14 December 2012 12:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry I have not replied to this topic until now, but I am recovering from back surgery, and not really in the mood for getting into discussions about anything.

I have a good friend who is a sort of expert on re-flashing PC video cards for the G4 PowerMac MDD and other models as well. He has re-flashed my Radeon 8500 w/128mb VRAM (which is faster than the 9000) for my own G4 PowerMac MDD. He has been running a Radeon 9800XT in his own G4 PowerMac MDD for over a year with no problems, and from my discussions with him, I will soon be upgrading my Radeon 8500 to a PC re-flashed 9800Pro, which I am buying from him. In all of my discussions with my friend about video cards for our G4 PowerMac MDD, he has never once mentioned any problems with running any model of the Radeon 9800 in his own G4 PowerMac MDD (other than the heat they produce). So, I doubt that there is only one model of the Radeon 9800 which works in the G4 PowerMac MDD, as he has tested dozens of these Radeon video cards in his own MDD and has sold or given them away to developers that are still working on PPC software and operating systems.

I know that none of this helps the original poster who is having problems with his 9800, but I just wanted to let everyone else know that it can, and has been done, successfully many times.


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On Dec 14, 2012, at 5:49 AM, Richard Gerome wrote:
I will hang on to the card and see if it works if I ever get a G5.
There is a version of the 9800 that works on a G4, but they are expensive and hard to find; I know because I have been looking for one myself without success. The one card I did find (on ebay) had a problem (hot, ozone smell and only 128 MB available of the 256 MB alleged) and was returned to the seller. That's why I finally settled on a 9600.


A later version of the 9800 worked only of G5s (or so I've been told) and I'll bet that is the one you have.


Michael McMurtrey
Carrollton, TX

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Re: Throwing in the Towel [message #28791 is a reply to message #28763] Fri, 14 December 2012 16:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dave:

Thanks for the info.

For some reason my posts are still going into moderation ( I have written
to Dan about it), so I don't know when this will actually appear...

If you could put me in touch with your expert friend, I would be very
grateful. I would like to get that 9800 to work, but I am at the end of my
technical knowledge, and really wouldn't know what to do next, nor how to
tell if there is, in fact, something wrong with the card, or something I am
doing wrong.

You can e-mail me at frrobATearthlinkDOTnet.

Thanks,

Rob J.



On Friday, December 14, 2012 12:35:46 PM UTC-5, AmigaDave wrote:
>

> Sorry I have not replied to this topic until now, but I am recovering

> from back surgery, and not really in the mood for getting into discussions

> about anything.

>

> I have a good friend who is a sort of expert on re-flashing PC video cards

> for the G4 PowerMac MDD and other models as well. He has re-flashed my

> Radeon 8500 w/128mb VRAM (which is faster than the 9000) for my own G4

> PowerMac MDD. He has been running a Radeon 9800XT in his own G4 PowerMac

> MDD for over a year with no problems, and from my discussions with him, I

> will soon be upgrading my Radeon 8500 to a PC re-flashed 9800Pro, which I

> am buying from him. In all of my discussions with my friend about video

> cards for our G4 PowerMac MDD, he has never once mentioned any problems

> with running any model of the Radeon 9800 in his own G4 PowerMac MDD (other

> than the heat they produce). So, I doubt that there is only one model of

> the Radeon 9800 which works in the G4 PowerMac MDD, as he has tested dozens

> of these Radeon video cards in his own MDD and has sold or given them away

> to developers that are still working on PPC software and operating systems.

>

> I know that none of this helps the original poster who is having problems

> with his 9800, but I just wanted to let everyone else know that it can, and

> has been done, successfully many times.

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> *From:* Michael McMurtrey

> *To:* g3-5...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>

> *Sent:* Friday, December 14, 2012 6:10 AM

> *Subject:* Re: Throwing in the Towel

>

> On Dec 14, 2012, at 5:49 AM, Richard Gerome wrote:

>

>

> I will hang on to the card and see if it works if I ever get a G5.

>

> There is a version of the 9800 that works on a G4, but they are expensive

> and hard to find; I know because I have been looking for one myself without

> success. The one card I did find (on ebay) had a problem (hot, ozone smell

> and only 128 MB available of the 256 MB alleged) and was returned to the

> seller. That's why I finally settled on a 9600.

>

> A later version of the 9800 worked only of G5s (or so I've been told) and

> I'll bet that is the one you have.

>

> Michael McMurtrey

> Carrollton, TX

>

>


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My Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4 has gone bizerk ... [message #28827 is a reply to message #28791] Fri, 14 December 2012 23:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bill Connelly is currently offline  Bill Connelly
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Would someone be willing to look at my logs to see if they can tell me
what has happened?

System / Hardware Configuration: OS X 10.5.8, SATA drive off an SATA
PCI card, GeForce 4MX video, 1GB RAM, down from 1.5GB.

After moving my hard drive with system on it to my DA Dual 533, I
saved my Apple System Profiler for the previous experiences on the QS
2002, in an spx file.

Symptoms: kernal panics on startup, flaky behavior with freezing up of
the Finder when it did run some.

Things I've tried:

After removing a suspected bad RAM stick, eventually same behavior
returned.

After applejack cleansing, same or worse ... Immediate shutdown after
startup, kernal panics

I tried removing everything and cleaning all contacts, replacing them
and same behavior occurred. Pressing CUDA, and doing opt-cmd-P-R.

Is my cpu bad? Overheating for some reason? Will the system.log tell
us what was going on? I cannot seem to find things there.

Any help welcomed.

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Re: Throwing in the Towel [message #28829 is a reply to message #28729] Fri, 14 December 2012 12:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Michael:

> A later version of the 9800 worked only of G5s (or so I've been told) and

I'll bet that is the one you have.

That would be my luck...

Well, we'll see what happens with the 9600 when I get it.


Thanks,

Rob J.


On Friday, December 14, 2012 9:10:16 AM UTC-5, skyki...@verizon.net wrote:
>

> On Dec 14, 2012, at 5:49 AM, Richard Gerome wrote:

>

>

> I will hang on to the card and see if it works if I ever get a G5.

>

> There is a version of the 9800 that works on a G4, but they are expensive

> and hard to find; I know because I have been looking for one myself without

> success. The one card I did find (on ebay) had a problem (hot, ozone smell

> and only 128 MB available of the 256 MB alleged) and was returned to the

> seller. That's why I finally settled on a 9600.

>

> A later version of the 9800 worked only of G5s (or so I've been told) and

> I'll bet that is the one you have.

>

> Michael McMurtrey

> Carrollton, TX

>

>

>

>


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Re: My Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4 has gone bizerk ... [message #28870 is a reply to message #28827] Sat, 15 December 2012 00:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I also ran AHT 1.2.6 on my QS 2002, and it showed no signs of problems.

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Re: My Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4 has gone bizerk ... [message #28871 is a reply to message #28827] Sat, 15 December 2012 08:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Another thing I just realized I have been doing ... plugging /
unplugging my Firewire webcam while the system is booted up.

Could that be a cause of my woes? Since Firewire is not hot-swappable?

I saw one time in my system log, that an Ecamm plugin was somewhat
confused (I think)

Maybe the cpu has just gone bad.

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Re: Throwing in the Towel [message #28872 is a reply to message #28729] Sat, 15 December 2012 11:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;I bought that 9800 for a friend's G4 466mhz Tower and never used it because I couldn't flash the rom... I maxed the ram, put in a 250G 7200rpm HD (only reads 128G) and a new DVD super drive and installed Tiger. They had this 23" monitor for it and I just left the orig video card in it. I had to boot it up 3 or 4 times till the res was all the way up to it's max..? This was about 2 yrs ago and it's still working pretty good with no problems... So this left me wondering why so many put this 9800 in them??? Maybe someone here can tell me why they even use this 9800 card? When I go back to NC to visit them I'm going to download Leopard on it for them...&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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On Dec 14, 2012, at 5:49 AM, Richard Gerome wrote:
&gt; I will hang on to the card and see if it works if I ever get a G5.
There is a version of the 9800 that works on a G4, but they are
expensive and hard to find; I know because I have been looking for one
myself without success. The one card I did find (on ebay) had a
problem (hot, ozone smell and only 128 MB available of the 256 MB
alleged) and was returned to the seller. That's why I finally settled
on a 9600.

A later version of the 9800 worked only of G5s (or so I've been told)
and I'll bet that is the one you have.

Michael McMurtrey
Carrollton, TX



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Re: My Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4 has gone bizerk ... [message #28889 is a reply to message #28871] Sat, 15 December 2012 13:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Dec 15, 2012, at 6:34 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:

> Another thing I just realized I have been doing ... plugging / unplugging my Firewire webcam while the system is booted up.

>

> Could that be a cause of my woes? Since Firewire is not hot-swappable?


FW was designed from the beginning to be hot-swappable. ONe of the first FW external drive reviews I read, the reviewers unplugged it mid-write, thne plugged it back in...the system continued writing.
>

> I saw one time in my system log, that an Ecamm plugin was somewhat confused (I think)


This is possible
>

> Maybe the cpu has just gone bad.


Unlikely, it would just freeze. Is the mouse pointer frozen when the Finder freezes? Are you seeing a SPOD? Can you command-tap to other running programs when this happens?

Send me your system and panic logs, (off list obviously!) so I can take a look.

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Re: My Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4 has gone bizerk ... [message #28912 is a reply to message #28889] Sat, 15 December 2012 21:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Conatacting Bruce offline with (minus attachments here):

On Dec 15, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

>

> On Dec 15, 2012, at 6:34 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:

>

>> Another thing I just realized I have been doing ... plugging /

>> unplugging my Firewire webcam while the system is booted up.

>>

>> Could that be a cause of my woes? Since Firewire is not hot-

>> swappable?

>

> FW was designed from the beginning to be hot-swappable. ONe of the

> first FW external drive reviews I read, the reviewers unplugged it

> mid-write, thne plugged it back in...the system continued writing.


now that's hot ...

>>

>> I saw one time in my system log, that an Ecamm plugin was somewhat

>> confused (I think)

>

> This is possible

>>

>> Maybe the cpu has just gone bad.

>

> Unlikely, it would just freeze. Is the mouse pointer frozen when the

> Finder freezes?


yes


> Are you seeing a SPOD?


possibly

> Can you command-tap to other running programs when this happens?


no

>

> Send me your system and panic logs, (off list obviously!) so I can

> take a look.


thx

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Re: My Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4 has gone bizerk ... [message #28913 is a reply to message #28912] Sat, 15 December 2012 22:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Late ... Breaking News ...

According to another AHT run tonight, a Startup Error was reported:

POST / 16 / 64

A google search produced a discussion, which one contributor says it
possibly means some of the cpu cache is bad.

This would explain the kernal panics, and shut downs at Startup, and
flaky behavior when trying to use OS X.

OS 9 appears to be ok with bad cache, hence AHT 1.24 and 1.26 would
run off a CD.

Perhaps I need to by a new cpu card? a replacement Dual 1GHz would be
nice.

fleabay?

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Re: My Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4 has gone bizerk ... [message #28927 is a reply to message #28913] Sat, 15 December 2012 23:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If that error is CPU cache replace it. My issue started with that and it refused to bong today. They are cheap enough. I would recommend a dual 800mhz or faster if you want to use it for anything other than a server.

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Re: My Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4 has gone bizerk ... [message #28969 is a reply to message #28927] Sun, 16 December 2012 11:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Dec 15, 2012, at 11:26 PM, Alex Sciortino wrote:

> If that error is CPU cache replace it. My issue started with that

> and it refused to bong today. They are cheap enough. I would

> recommend a dual 800mhz or faster if you want to use it for anything

> other than a server.



I'd like to continue using it for some Photomatix Pro HDR Photography
use (and similar artistic uses) ... faster would be better ... but
budget is a main block now.

Any suggestions on finding another Dual 1GHz cpu for my QS 2002? ebay
has a bunch of MDDs ... not compatible.

Thx

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Re: Throwing in the Towel [message #28970 is a reply to message #28872] Sat, 15 December 2012 15:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 15/12/2012 16:32, "Richard Gerome" <onecoolkat72@earthlink.net> wrote:

> I bought that 9800 for a friend's G4 466mhz Tower and never used it because I

> couldn't flash the rom... I maxed the ram, put in a 250G 7200rpm HD (only

> reads 128G) and a new DVD super drive and installed Tiger. They had this 23"

> monitor for it and I just left the orig video card in it. I had to boot it up

> 3 or 4 times till the res was all the way up to it's max..? This was about 2

> yrs ago and it's still working pretty good with no problems... So this left me

> wondering why so many put this 9800 in them??? Maybe someone here can tell me

> why they even use this 9800 card? When I go back to NC to visit them I'm going

> to download Leopard on it for them...


It's because the 9800 pro was just about the fastest 4x agp card you
could get for a G4 - and the easiest to convert from pc to mac with little
or no problems and get all the ports working fully. Nvidia and other cards
had conversion problems - no s-vid, no dvi etc but the 9800 worked 100% if
flashed correctly. I flashed many cards from pc to mac but the only one I
know of which is easier than the 9800 is the 8500 - much slower than the
9800, half the ram at 64 MB (or a quarter if you get a 9800 with 256) and
much slower tsop ram compared to the ball grid array ram on the 9800 - only
snag was the disabling of the pins 3 and 11 as Apple had commandeered them
for ADC connections.

<http://themacelite.wikidot.com/flasher-s-buying-guide-9800>


Pete


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Re: My Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4 has gone bizerk ... [message #28971 is a reply to message #28913] Sat, 15 December 2012 22:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Dec 15, 2012, at 10:03 PM, Bill Connelly <billycarmacs69@verizon.net> wrote:

>

> Perhaps I need to by a new cpu card? a replacement Dual 1GHz would be nice.

>

> fleabay?

>

Have you considered overheating? I had the same problems with my QuickSilver (2000).
Replaced the heat-sink cooling fan and reseated the heat-sink and the problems were gone.
That was over four years ago and it is still running OS X Leopard like a champion.

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Re: My Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4 has gone bizerk ... [message #28972 is a reply to message #28971] Sun, 16 December 2012 12:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Dec 15, 2012, at 10:21 PM, John Callahan wrote:
>>

> Have you considered overheating? I had the same problems with my

> QuickSilver (2000).

> Replaced the heat-sink cooling fan and reseated the heat-sink and

> the problems were gone.

> That was over four years ago and it is still running OS X Leopard

> like a champion.


Yes ... I'm looking for some Arctic Silver 5 to try your idea. Thx for
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Re: Throwing in the Towel [message #28973 is a reply to message #28970] Sun, 16 December 2012 12:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I just checked my favourite online auction site and I don't see any dual 1ghz. The best I can find is single 867. Have you considered a Sonnet upgrade? You can get the single core 1ghz for about $40.

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Re: Throwing in the Towel – CPU Upgrades [message #29137 is a reply to message #28973] Mon, 17 December 2012 10:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Subject: Re: Throwing in the Towel
Date: Sunday, 16. December 2012
From: Alex Sciorino <zeosrule@gmail.com>
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> I just checked my favourite online auction site and I don't see any dual

> 1ghz. The best I can find is single 867. Have you considered a Sonnet

> upgrade? You can get the single core 1ghz for about $40.


There are single core upgrades up to 1.8 GHz around. Up to 1.6 GHz it may be
bought at a reasonable price…

Search for Sonnet, OWC (Other World Computing), Giga Designs, Newer
Technology, PowerLogix, XLR8 and FastMac.

http://lowendmac.com/ppc/g4upgrades.html

It doesn’t always have to be Sonnet. I have an OWC upgrade at home, a Mercury
Xtreme G4 1.4 GHz Processor Upgrade (OWCME41400L2D), like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OWC-Mercury-Xtreme-1-4GHz-Apple-G4-D esktop-Upgrade-/261133816357

(that’s not my eBay auction, I just want to make the point that it may still
be available)

IMO Dual processor upgrade cards are in no way worth the current market
prices, like this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sonnet-Technologies-PowerPC-G4-1-8-G Hz-SG4D-1800L-Processor-/150920002639

BUT, original Dual-1 GHz processor modules are also available, like this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-Mac-G4-1-0GHz-Dual-Processor-M odule-661-2730-820-1310-A-3967-/160940346106

Cheers,
Andreas aka Mac User #330250

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Re: Throwing in the Towel – CPU Upgrades [message #29138 is a reply to message #29137] Mon, 17 December 2012 10:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just remember that the fastest G4 which was produced by IBM and/or Moto
(Freescale) was 1.42 GHz, and the so-called 1.5 GHz (to accommodate the
100 MHz bus case), and 1.6 GHz, ..., 2.0 GHz G4s are really 1.42 GHz chips
which have been purchased in bulk and then "die sorted" by the
manufacturer, usually with an extensive "burn in" process to confirm
operations (usually Photoshop, etcetera) with a higher-than-specification
clock speed.

IMO, Giga-Designs are the best of the "supercharged" dual core
replacements as they figured out how to layout a dual core processor card
which could be used in BOTH 100 MHz bus AND 133 MHz bus models (the
sockets are actually the same, but the orientation is quite different.

> There are single core upgrades up to 1.8 GHz around. Up to 1.6 GHz it may

> be

> bought at a reasonable price…

>

> Search for Sonnet, OWC (Other World Computing), Giga Designs, Newer

> Technology, PowerLogix, XLR8 and FastMac.

>

> http://lowendmac.com/ppc/g4upgrades.html

>

> It doesn’t always have to be Sonnet. I have an OWC upgrade at home, a

> Mercury

> Xtreme G4 1.4 GHz Processor Upgrade (OWCME41400L2D), like this:



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Re: Throwing in the Towel [message #29139 is a reply to message #28970] Mon, 17 December 2012 13:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Saturday, December 15, 2012 2:00:37 PM UTC-6, pdimage wrote:
>

> On 15/12/2012 16:32, "Richard Gerome" <onecoo...@earthlink.net<javascript:>>

> wrote:

>

>> So this left me

>> wondering why so many put this 9800 in them??? Maybe someone here can

> tell me

>> why they even use this 9800 card? When I go back to NC to visit them I'm

> going

>> to download Leopard on it for them...

>

> It's because the 9800 pro was just about the fastest 4x agp card you

> could get for a G4 - and the easiest to convert from pc to mac with little

> or no problems and get all the ports working fully.

>



I think the ATI Fire GL X3 256mb AGP was faster. It may not be easier to
convert. However, if you get the HP version, ATI Fire GL X3. then reports
are that both DVI ports work fully as expected. There are problems with
getting both ports working if one gets a regular X800 XT.

The ATI Fire GL X3 is available on Ebay for less than $50. Back in April
they were going for as low as $25 each.

Jeff Walther

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Re: Throwing in the Towel [message #29149 is a reply to message #29139] Mon, 17 December 2012 15:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The ATI FireGL X3 is a great card for the G5 PowerMac, but I am not so sure it is a good choice for the G4. Also, only certain models can be converted for use in a Mac, and I can guarantee you that 80%, or more of those cheap $25 to $50 FireGL X3's for sale on eBay are NOT the ones that can be successfully converted. I got lucky, but then had extensive discussions with an expert who converted mine and sells them on his website, so buyer beware! That cheap FireGL X3 you get from eBay might not be able to be converted for use in any Mac, unless you are lucky.

I think the ATI Fire GL X3 256mb AGP was faster. It may not be easier to convert. However, if you get the HP version, ATI Fire GL X3. then reports are that both DVI ports work fully as expected. There are problems with getting both ports working if one gets a regular X800 XT.

The ATI Fire GL X3 is available on Ebay for less than $50. Back in April they were going for as low as $25 each.

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Re: My Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4 has gone bizerk ... [message #30093 is a reply to message #28972] Tue, 25 December 2012 20:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Dec 16, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:
>

> On Dec 15, 2012, at 10:21 PM, John Callahan wrote:

>>>

>> Have you considered overheating? I had the same problems with my

>> QuickSilver (2000).

>> Replaced the heat-sink cooling fan and reseated the heat-sink and

>> the problems were gone.

>> That was over four years ago and it is still running OS X Leopard

>> like a champion.

>

> Yes ... I'm looking for some Arctic Silver 5 to try your idea. Thx

> for the encouragement and optimism ...

>


Update: I tried switching mobo's (a previous one had an ethernet
problem), and got the same kp / random program crashing. I believe
this eliminates the mobo as the issue ... or at least decreases its
likelihood.

Use of Arctic Silver Cleaning Solutions and Thermal Paste replacement,
and at the same time, a more thorough mobo cleaning, eventually led to
the same issues.
(anyone know where I can get a couple of thermal pads I found on the
dual cpus? might be good to try replacing them at some point ...
wishing I could fix the L3 cache) ...

The L3 cache does not always appear in the System Profiler when I
could get the OS X 10.5.8 to Startup all the way. And Apple System
Profiler > Diagnostics shows the Power On Self Test "Failed" if the
L3 cache is not detected under Hardware.

Other symptoms: if I continue to run apps ... Mail and Mactracker
crash randomly.

Here's a link to a similar discovery sequence: http://archive.macfixitforums.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/printth read/Board/11/main/93993/type/thread

Seems like a solution would be to try and replace the Dual 1GHz cpu
daughter card.

I'm also looking into upgrading my computer to a G5 ... and try to fix
the QS at a later date ...

Anyone know how to repair / replace an L3 cache on a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz
cpu card?

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Re: My Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4 has gone bizerk ... [message #30094 is a reply to message #30093] Tue, 25 December 2012 21:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bill,
Have you checked the fan that cools the heat sink. I ran my QS with the side door open and discovered the heat sink cooling fan was bad. I ordered a new fan and while waiting for it ran the computer with a small electric fan directed at the heat sink cooling fins. New fan cost about $15.00.
FWIW


On Dec 25, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Bill Connelly <billycarmacs69@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Dec 16, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:

>>

>> On Dec 15, 2012, at 10:21 PM, John Callahan wrote:

>>>>

>>> Have you considered overheating? I had the same problems with my QuickSilver (2000).

>>> Replaced the heat-sink cooling fan and reseated the heat-sink and the problems were gone.

>>> That was over four years ago and it is still running OS X Leopard like a champion.

>>

>> Yes ... I'm looking for some Arctic Silver 5 to try your idea. Thx for the encouragement and optimism ...

>>

>

> Update: I tried switching mobo's (a previous one had an ethernet problem), and got the same kp / random program crashing. I believe this eliminates the mobo as the issue ... or at least decreases its likelihood.

>

> Use of Arctic Silver Cleaning Solutions and Thermal Paste replacement, and at the same time, a more thorough mobo cleaning, eventually led to the same issues.

> (anyone know where I can get a couple of thermal pads I found on the dual cpus? might be good to try replacing them at some point ... wishing I could fix the L3 cache) ...

>

> The L3 cache does not always appear in the System Profiler when I could get the OS X 10.5.8 to Startup all the way. And Apple System Profiler > Diagnostics shows the Power On Self Test "Failed" if the L3 cache is not detected under Hardware.

>

> Other symptoms: if I continue to run apps ... Mail and Mactracker crash randomly.

>

> Here's a link to a similar discovery sequence: http://archive.macfixitforums.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/printth read/Board/11/main/93993/type/thread

>

> Seems like a solution would be to try and replace the Dual 1GHz cpu daughter card.

>

> I'm also looking into upgrading my computer to a G5 ... and try to fix the QS at a later date ...

>

> Anyone know how to repair / replace an L3 cache on a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz cpu card?

>

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Re: My Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4 has gone bizerk ... [message #30095 is a reply to message #30094] Tue, 25 December 2012 21:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Dec 25, 2012, at 9:04 PM, John Callahan wrote:

> Bill,

> Have you checked the fan that cools the heat sink. I ran my QS with

> the side door open and discovered the heat sink cooling fan was bad.

> I ordered a new fan and while waiting for it ran the computer with a

> small electric fan directed at the heat sink cooling fins. New fan

> cost about $15.00.

> FWIW


I looked at the cpu fan from outside, and it was running. Also felt a
little air coming from it.

That wouldn't make the L3 cache appear / disappear from the Hardware
list, would it?

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Re: My Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4 has gone bizerk ... [message #30096 is a reply to message #30095] Tue, 25 December 2012 22:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> That wouldn't make the L3 cache appear / disappear from the Hardware

> list, would it?


No, it would not.

But, the L3 cache chips were somewhat notorious for failing for no
apparent reason.



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Re: My Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4 has gone bizerk ... [message #30097 is a reply to message #30096] Wed, 26 December 2012 00:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Dec 25, 2012, at 10:12 PM, peterhaas@cruzio.com wrote:

>

>> That wouldn't make the L3 cache appear / disappear from the Hardware

>> list, would it?

>

> No, it would not.

>

> But, the L3 cache chips were somewhat notorious for failing for no

> apparent reason.


I believe I read somewhere, someone thought an overheating cpu caused
the L3 cache to become loose from the daughter card, and that heating
it up locally would put it back.

Paraphrasing.

If I find the reference, I will convey it here.

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Re: My Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4 has gone bizerk ... [message #30101 is a reply to message #30097] Wed, 26 December 2012 13:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Greetings,

This may or may not be related, I have a MDD 1.25Gh dual processor that was having a similar problem and I traced it (logs) to the fact that one processor was trying to hand-off a process to the other processor and it didn't respond.

The log said something like "waiting for the other processor" I think it ref. a timer and that's where the log ended, as the timer reset the system.

I found an application that tested the processors and ran it several times. After running it several times the reset problem got better, didn't go away just got better.

So I got myself a Mac Mini which fixed the situation.

Cheers

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Greetings,

This may or may not be related, I have a MDD 1.25Gh dual processor that was having a similar problem and I traced it (logs) to the fact that one processor was trying to hand-off a process to the other processor and it didn't respond.

The log said something like "waiting for the other processor" I think it ref. a timer and that's where the log ended, as the timer reset the system.

I found an application that tested the processors and ran it several times. After running it several times the reset problem got better, didn't go away just got better.

So I got myself a Mac Mini which fixed the situation.

Cheers

Harry

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Re: My Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4 has gone bizerk ... [message #30104 is a reply to message #30097] Wed, 26 December 2012 21:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is there anything in the OS X 10.5.8 system, that turns the L3 cache
On / Off at Startup?

I had been using Sleep Mode fairly extensively ... now reminded by a
friend that there were issues with Sleep Mode and PCI cards, and
possibly other things.

Could this have messed up the use of L3 cache on the QS 2002 Dual
1GHz cpu card?

Just grasping at straws, before I buy a $50 cpu replacement to try.

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> Just grasping at straws, before I buy a $50 cpu replacement to try.


I simply updated to a dual 1.42 GHz MDD, $86 delivered from LEM seller
RMARTIN.

It has performed flawlessly.



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Re: My Quicksilver Dual 1GHz G4 has gone bizerk ... [message #30107 is a reply to message #30095] Wed, 26 December 2012 00:11 Go to previous message
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because the heat sink is not good please put the heat sink into a plastic bag when you are changing it
On Dec 25, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:

>

> On Dec 25, 2012, at 9:04 PM, John Callahan wrote:

>

>> Bill,

>> Have you checked the fan that cools the heat sink. I ran my QS with the side door open and discovered the heat sink cooling fan was bad. I ordered a new fan and while waiting for it ran the computer with a small electric fan directed at the heat sink cooling fins. New fan cost about $15.00.

>> FWIW

>

> I looked at the cpu fan from outside, and it was running. Also felt a little air coming from it.

>

> That wouldn't make the L3 cache appear / disappear from the Hardware list, would it?

>

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