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Asante networking with se/30 - problem [message #289359] Wed, 13 May 2015 13:08 Go to next message
daniel[1][2] is currently offline  daniel[1][2]
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Hi group,


Some time ago, i bought an Asante network card for my SE/30 (running 7.5.5
and equipped with 16mb ram and a 10.1 GB harddrive (using a Acard 7720u
scsi bridge)). I installed the nic and setup the drivers from the Asante
driver disc that came with it.

When reading about the MAC having problems negotiating speed with modern
routers, i also bought a 10Base-T hub from Ebay. When i start the mac, the
lights on the hub (as well as downstream) indicate that there is some kind
of connection. Looking at the daughter card on the backside of the mac, i
can see one of them lighting up (the bottom one). The other light never
comes on.

When i try the diagnostics tool supplied by asante, everything up until the
nic transmission test work. The Transmission comes back with an error
(telling me that the link does not work).

I run MacTCP version 2.0.6 and i have also tried OpenTransport. I have
switched from appletalk to ethernet in the "control panel".

I was thinking that it perhaps was my 10base-t hub that was incompatible so
i ordered a AUI transceiver to try that one as well. Connecting that did
not help at all.


I have since ordered and received a cross-over adapter to try to get p2p
networking going between the SE/30 and my windows 7 pc, but i'm unsure how
to configure it.


Any ideas or pointers how to perhaps get this to work?

best regards

Daniel

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Re: Asante networking with se/30 - problem [message #289360 is a reply to message #289359] Wed, 13 May 2015 15:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If your Windows machine has two Ethernet cards, you could tell Windows to
share the internet connection from one to the other.

However, I suspect you would encounter just the same problem. The Windows
machine's card will do the same autonegotiation that a modern Ethernet
switch would, unless it's a very very old one.

What's the make and model of the "hub" you tried? Knowing eBay, there's a
chance it's actually a switch.

- Jonathan Morton

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Re: Asante networking with se/30 - problem [message #289373 is a reply to message #289359] Wed, 13 May 2015 16:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Daniel,
Well, you have been thorough in your diagnosis.
The two lights on the socket indicate 1) a connection that has been recognised. and 2) data transmission and receiving.
In the case of 1), if the cable was incorrect or not working, one light would not switch on. Showing the light on indicates there is a correct connection between the NIC and the hub.
In the case of 2), no lights indicates that data is not travelling between the NIC and the hub.
As you have situation 2), I suspect that the drivers you are using do not automatically assign an IP address for your SE/30, a protocol known as DHCP (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol).
In cases of older hardware, the IP address was set up individually for each computer with an NIC. Automatic assignment of IP addresses helps when many computers are connecting. It also means that there is unlikely to be two NICs with the same IP address. This is different from the MAC ID (media access control) used for Wifi, BT and Ethernet.
You will need to assign a unique IP address to your SE/30 and type this into the TCP program you are using.
Now, how do you choose what number to use? It usually takes the form of 192.168.x.y where the x and y values are unique to your router. x may be either '1' or '0'. y can be a value from '0' to '255'.
Some routers allow you to ring fence, that is, to protect a group of IP addresses from being automatically assigned by the router for things like home automation control where you will want the same IP for a control system with security built in (we have a system similar to this at work for the heating controls).
Otherwise, pick a really high value.
Let's say that the router is assigned 192.168.1.1 as it's IP address. The first available IP address that can be assigned to another device is 192.168.1.2 and let's say that you have 18 devices, between desk tops, laptops, tablets and smart phones.
So your list will run from 192.168.1.2 through to 192.168.1.19 for devices connecting to the router.
Add in a little redundancy and say that you might get another 20 devices in years to come. The first IP address that you could use for the SE/30 would be 192.168.1.40 so you would tell the MAC TCP program that you want to assign a manual IP address and then you would enter this number (192.168.1.40) into the IP address box in the TCP program. If there is an entry marked 'subnet mask', use 255.255.255.0 and if you need to enter a 'gateway', this will be your router IP address, in this example, 192.168.1.1
You could also use any number above '40' for the y value in your SE/30 IP address. It's just easier sometimes to remember which devices have a manual IP address and stick to a group. You could also print a label and fix it to the back of your SE/30 with the fixed IP address listed.
Now if you get another Mac device and get an NIC for it, you can assign the next manual IP address as 192.168.1.41 and put a label on that.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Keith  


On Wednesday, 13 May 2015, 20:56, Daniel <daniel.lehtihet@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi group,
Some time ago, i bought an Asante network card for my SE/30 (running 7.5.5 and equipped with 16mb ram and a 10.1 GB harddrive (using a Acard 7720u scsi bridge)). I installed the nic and setup the drivers from the Asante driver disc that came with it.When reading about the MAC having problems negotiating speed with modern routers, i also bought a 10Base-T hub from Ebay. When i start the mac, the lights on the hub (as well as downstream) indicate that there is some kind of connection. Looking at the daughter card on the backside of the mac, i can see one of them lighting up (the bottom one). The other light never comes on.When i try the diagnostics tool supplied by asante, everything up until the nic transmission test work. The Transmission comes back with an error (telling me that the link does not work).I run MacTCP version 2.0.6 and i have also tried OpenTransport. I have switched from appletalk to ethernet in the "control panel".I was thinking that it perhaps was my 10base-t hub that was incompatible so i ordered a AUI transceiver to try that one as well. Connecting that did not help at all.
I have since ordered and received a cross-over adapter to try to get p2p networking going between the SE/30 and my windows 7 pc, but i'm unsure how to configure it.
Any ideas or pointers how to perhaps get this to work?best regardsDaniel--
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Re: Asante networking with se/30 - problem [message #289374 is a reply to message #289359] Wed, 13 May 2015 16:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Also, Daniel, Jonathan mentioned that your 'hub may be a switch'. This is actually not a problem.
They both basically do the same thing. They do it differently and at different speeds but for an SE/30, this will not be an issue. It will be running at 10MB/s or slower depending on the NIC.
Just be aware that the HUB will probably not work correctly if you plug in a crossover cable by accident. That first light 1) won't come on. Cross over cables are generally marked CROSSOVER, X-OVER or XOVER somewhere along the cable itself.
Not sure if you saw this page or not... Old Macintosh System Software and TCP/IP
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You should be able to do a search for asante and then copy the files onto a floppy or a ZIP disk and bin the originals. Then shut down and restart your SE/30
That page I mentioned also has a link to the Network Software Installer 1.5.1 - I just checked it and it's working.
Hope this helps,
Regards,
Keith  


On Wednesday, 13 May 2015, 20:56, Daniel <daniel.lehtihet@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi group,
Some time ago, i bought an Asante network card for my SE/30 (running 7.5.5 and equipped with 16mb ram and a 10.1 GB harddrive (using a Acard 7720u scsi bridge)). I installed the nic and setup the drivers from the Asante driver disc that came with it.When reading about the MAC having problems negotiating speed with modern routers, i also bought a 10Base-T hub from Ebay. When i start the mac, the lights on the hub (as well as downstream) indicate that there is some kind of connection. Looking at the daughter card on the backside of the mac, i can see one of them lighting up (the bottom one). The other light never comes on.When i try the diagnostics tool supplied by asante, everything up until the nic transmission test work. The Transmission comes back with an error (telling me that the link does not work).I run MacTCP version 2.0.6 and i have also tried OpenTransport. I have switched from appletalk to ethernet in the "control panel".I was thinking that it perhaps was my 10base-t hub that was incompatible so i ordered a AUI transceiver to try that one as well. Connecting that did not help at all.
I have since ordered and received a cross-over adapter to try to get p2p networking going between the SE/30 and my windows 7 pc, but i'm unsure how to configure it.
Any ideas or pointers how to perhaps get this to work?best regardsDaniel--
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Re: Asante networking with se/30 - problem [message #289375 is a reply to message #289374] Wed, 13 May 2015 16:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> On May 13, 2015, at 1:37 PM, 'Keith Jamison' via Vintage Macs <vintage-macs@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> Not sure if you saw this page or not... Old Macintosh System Software and TCP/IP <http://www.vintagemacworld.com/mactcpip.html>
Also: http://www.applefool.com/se30

Pretty much everything you could ever want to know about old Macs an connectivity is there.

- Dylan

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Re: Asante networking with se/30 - problem [message #289376 is a reply to message #289359] Wed, 13 May 2015 17:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 5/13/2015 11:08 AM, Daniel wrote:
> Hi group,
>
>
> Some time ago, i bought an Asante network card for my SE/30 (running
> 7.5.5 and equipped with 16mb ram and a 10.1 GB harddrive (using a Acard
> 7720u scsi bridge)). I installed the nic and setup the drivers from the
> Asante driver disc that came with it.
>
> When reading about the MAC having problems negotiating speed with modern
> routers, i also bought a 10Base-T hub from Ebay. When i start the mac,
> the lights on the hub (as well as downstream) indicate that there is
> some kind of connection. Looking at the daughter card on the backside of
> the mac, i can see one of them lighting up (the bottom one). The other
> light never comes on.

Far as I know, no 10 megabit Ethernet hardware ever had auto
configuration on the connection. Newer 100 megabit equipment does so you
can use crossover or straight through cables interchangeably.

From the Mac to the 10 megabit hub you MUST use a straight through
cable. Even if your 100 megabit router can reconfigure for a crossover
cable, it may not be able to do so if what's on the other end is old 10
megabit equipment, so use a straight through cable there.

If the 100 meg router has a port for connecting to another router or
hub, connect the 10 megabit hub to it.

Another way around old 10 megabit gear that doesn't properly identify
itself is to use a 100 meg router with managed ports. Older ones have a
RS232 port usually marked console. Newer ones can be logged into over
Ethernet.

With those you can manually set the port the old Mac is connected to as
10 megabit, half duplex.


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Re: Asante networking with se/30 - problem [message #289395 is a reply to message #289376] Thu, 14 May 2015 02:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On May 13, 2015, at 4:21 PM, 'Gregg Eshelman' via Vintage Macs wrote:

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> Another way around old 10 megabit gear that doesn't properly identify itself is to use a 100 meg router with managed ports. Older ones have a RS232 port usually marked console. Newer ones can be logged into over Ethernet.
>
> With those you can manually set the port the old Mac is connected to as 10 megabit, half duplex.

This is what I do... I use an old Linksys router running OpenWRT. I have forced the port my IIci is connected to to 10Mbit/s half duplex. Some hardware handles the fallback to 10Mbit better than others, but this is the solution I settled on with my collection of available hardware.


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Re: Asante networking with se/30 - problem [message #289423 is a reply to message #289395] Thu, 14 May 2015 11:20 Go to previous message
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My SE/30s are still unpacked from a recent move. But I moved my G4 back
to OS 10.3.7 so I could talk with the SE/30. The problem was that
Appletalk over ethernet was no longer supported by OS Next as of 10.4.0.
System 7 on the SE30 really wants it. Printers were supported, just not
older Mac's file systems.

Interarchy running on the SE/30 allowed me to talk to it with real Linux
using FTP and I'm now working that way with my 8500 between ubuntu and
Excel 2001.

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