| ISO Dead (Apple II) Mice [message #267481] |
Tue, 16 September 2014 00:34  |
option8
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Looking for dead and/or broken Apple II mice. Any of the pre-ADB M0100 physical style: models include A2M4015, A2M4035, A2M2050, A2M2070.
Missing pieces, won't track, broken button, crimped cable, etc. I'll take it.
If you can spare more than one, you may even get one back, with fancy new innards.
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| Re: ISO Dead (Apple II) Mice [message #267538 is a reply to message #267481] |
Tue, 16 September 2014 14:19  |
Michael Black
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2014, option8 wrote:
> Looking for dead and/or broken Apple II mice. Any of the pre-ADB M0100
> physical style: models include A2M4015, A2M4035, A2M2050, A2M2070.
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> Missing pieces, won't track, broken button, crimped cable, etc. I'll
> take it.
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> If you can spare more than one, you may even get one back, with fancy
> new innards.
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Are the mice for the original Mac the same? They used a "DB-9" connector,
and just brought out the switches and outputs from the optocouplers
(though, they did use a buffer on the optocouplers). But since I've never
seen an Apple II mouse, I'm not sure.
Michael
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| Re: ISO Dead (Apple II) Mice [message #267539 is a reply to message #267538] |
Tue, 16 September 2014 14:31 |
D Finnigan
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Michael Black wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2014, option8 wrote:
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>> Looking for dead and/or broken Apple II mice. Any of the pre-ADB M0100
>> physical style: models include A2M4015, A2M4035, A2M2050, A2M2070.
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>> Missing pieces, won't track, broken button, crimped cable, etc. I'll
>> take it.
>>
>> If you can spare more than one, you may even get one back, with fancy
>> new innards.
>>
> Are the mice for the original Mac the same? They used a "DB-9" connector,
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> and just brought out the switches and outputs from the optocouplers
> (though, they did use a buffer on the optocouplers). But since I've never
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> seen an Apple II mouse, I'm not sure.
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Yes, they are the same.
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| Re: ISO Dead (Apple II) Mice [message #267543 is a reply to message #267540] |
Tue, 16 September 2014 15:24 |
Christopher G. Mason
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On 9/16/2014 2:53 PM, Sean Fahey wrote:
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> Not the same -- the Mouse IIc is different physically, and the M0100 might or might not work with an Apple II mouse interface, depending how it's been wired.
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I have an "Apple Mouse IIc" that has the same casing as the M0100 here,
don't know if the guts differ. I actually thought it was a Mac mouse at
first until I looked at the label. I also have the later "true" Mouse
IIc (the one on the right in that photo).
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| Re: ISO Dead (Apple II) Mice [message #267550 is a reply to message #267540] |
Tue, 16 September 2014 16:08 |
Michael Black
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Sean Fahey wrote:
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> Not the same -- the Mouse IIc is different physically, and the M0100
> might or might not work with an Apple II mouse interface, depending how
> it's been wired.
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On the other hand, those early mice were generally simple, no smarts, so
one could use the works from one with a different computer.
I know once I found a cheap mouse in a bin of junk at a store, and I was
able to wire it for the Mac Plus (suddenly I realize the Mac Plus also
used the mouse that the first Mac used). That mouse had no buffers, I
just brought the optoisolator and switch connections out to the "DB-9"
connector for the Mac, and I never saw a problem.
So they won't be authentic, but if someone's despearte for an Apple II
mouse, they might find it in a pile of junk. Assuming the pile of junk
still has that old mice in the pile.
Michael
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| Re: ISO Dead (Apple II) Mice [message #271770 is a reply to message #271689] |
Wed, 29 October 2014 16:03 |
Michael Black
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2014, option8 wrote:
> *bump*
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> I'm still looking for M0100 mice. Any condition. Even working ones.
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I would think a dead one was relatively easy to get back in operation.
LIkely a worn out cable or connector (or maybe just it's pulled out of the
mouse, some mice have an internal connector for the cable).
They aren't likely to burn out, so any buffering and the optoisolators
should be good. Since it's all internal, not much likelihood that the
mechanical parts have gone bad.
Lost mouse balls, I can see.
Michael
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| Re: ISO Dead (Apple II) Mice [message #271877 is a reply to message #271770] |
Thu, 30 October 2014 13:18 |
Patrick Schaefer
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Am 29.10.2014 21:03 schrieb Michael Black:
> They aren't likely to burn out, so any buffering and the optoisolators
> should be good. Since it's all internal, not much likelihood that the
> mechanical parts have gone bad.
I had a couple of Mac 128 mice where one LED or optotransistor was bad.
Parts from a PS/2 mouse worked fine as replacement, but some mechanical
trimming was necessary.
Patrick
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| Re: ISO Dead (Apple II) Mice [message #271878 is a reply to message #271877] |
Thu, 30 October 2014 13:54 |
Michael Black
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2014, Patrick Schaefer wrote:
> Am 29.10.2014 21:03 schrieb Michael Black:
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>> They aren't likely to burn out, so any buffering and the optoisolators
>> should be good. Since it's all internal, not much likelihood that the
>> mechanical parts have gone bad.
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> I had a couple of Mac 128 mice where one LED or optotransistor was bad. Parts
> from a PS/2 mouse worked fine as replacement, but some mechanical trimming
> was necessary.
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Anything can fail, I'm just pointing out that there isn't all that much in
there that can fail.
I've yet to have a problem with a mouse cable, I'm surprised I haven't,
but that is generally more likely to cause a problem than the parts.
Michael
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