| Performa 630CD Info [message #260062] |
Wed, 09 July 2014 21:42  |
Christian Brodermann
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Hey Vintage Mac lovers!!
I'm new to the 68k Mac world, being a Apple ][ and PPC guy more than
anything, and I really have no idea half the time what anything is in the
68k Mac world because Macs were kind of, well, weird at the time, let's
just leave it at that.
I am in the market for a 68k Mac, preferably one of the later ones, and
I've found a nice cheap Performa 630CD on eBay, with fully upgraded RAM, a
33 MHz stock processor, a power cord, and a keyboard and mouse (although I
don't think it's the right mouse, cause it is the trapezoid mouse and it's
a lot more yellowed than the keyboard). Anyways, the point is I'd like to
know some info on the machine and if anyone here has had any luck with
those DB15 to VGA things on one of these because unfortunately, I do not
own a Mac monitor and probably won't for quite some time simply because I
don't have the desk space for a CRT right now, and if not, where I could
find a VGA card of some type for it.
My only other questions are what good games or cool programs are there for
a Mac of this age, what OS should I run on it (Mac OS 7.5? 8.1? 9?), and
lastly, what are my upgrade options if I want to put a DOS card or some
other expansion card in here?
Thank you guys!!
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260068 is a reply to message #260062] |
Thu, 10 July 2014 04:14  |
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Hi Christian,
Welcome to the Vintage Macs Group.
I can tell you that the video adapters that plug into your Performa and a standard VGA monitor work fine. I used them years ago and I still have them. I currently run a Performa 475 through a DB15 to HD15 adapter to a 14" LCD screen with a HD15 plug. It's odd seeing the display so sharp but it's a real delight!
It also works with the 12" Apple Colour monitor I have but I need that for the LC!
You might be able to pick up a low cost, second hand 14" or 15" LCD monitor with SVGA/VGA resolution. That will be fine for your use.
I have the 14" LCD mounted on the wall so that I don't lose real estate on the desk.
Good luck!
Regards,
Keith
On Thursday, 10 July 2014, 5:38, Christian Brodermann <cmbrodermann96@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Vintage Mac lovers!!
I'm new to the 68k Mac world, being a Apple ][ and PPC guy more than anything, and I really have no idea half the time what anything is in the 68k Mac world because Macs were kind of, well, weird at the time, let's just leave it at that.
I am in the market for a 68k Mac, preferably one of the later ones, and I've found a nice cheap Performa 630CD on eBay, with fully upgraded RAM, a 33 MHz stock processor, a power cord, and a keyboard and mouse (although I don't think it's the right mouse, cause it is the trapezoid mouse and it's a lot more yellowed than the keyboard). Anyways, the point is I'd like to know some info on the machine and if anyone here has had any luck with those DB15 to VGA things on one of these because unfortunately, I do not own a Mac monitor and probably won't for quite some time simply because I don't have the desk space for a CRT right now, and if not, where I could find a VGA card of some type for it.
My only other questions are what good games or cool programs are there for a Mac of this age, what OS should I run on it (Mac OS 7.5? 8.1? 9?), and lastly, what are my upgrade options if I want to put a DOS card or some other expansion card in here?
Thank you guys!!
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260069 is a reply to message #260062] |
Thu, 10 July 2014 04:36 |
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Hi Christian,
You're right about that mouse. Sounds like you have an Apple ADB mouse (G5431/A9M)331). When we bought our Performa 630CD's back in the '90s, they were all supplied with the ADB Mouse II (M2706) - the teardrop shape.
IIRC, there were two versions (maybe more)of the ADB II. One version had a simple twist panel in the base of the mouse to hold the mouse ball secure. The second version had a lockable twist panel which could be 'unlocked' with a straightened paperclip. This saved us a bunch of money because the pupils could not open the bottom of the mouse and remove the mouse ball.
Check Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_mouse) and scroll down to see the variations.
As for cool games, I remember only a few. Oxyd was quite addictive for me. There was another Heath Robinson/Rube Goldberg style game where you had to arrange bizarre objects to achieve a goal. I think 'contraption' was in the title and it involved a Professor. I also remember a mandrill (primate). I cannot for the life of me think of its name! It's a TIM (The Incredible Machine) type game.
You should be able to rummage through the 'abandonware' pages at Macintosh Garden (macintoshgarden.org). They keep quite a collection.
Regards,
Keith
On Thursday, 10 July 2014, 5:38, Christian Brodermann <cmbrodermann96@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Vintage Mac lovers!!
I'm new to the 68k Mac world, being a Apple ][ and PPC guy more than anything, and I really have no idea half the time what anything is in the 68k Mac world because Macs were kind of, well, weird at the time, let's just leave it at that.
I am in the market for a 68k Mac, preferably one of the later ones, and I've found a nice cheap Performa 630CD on eBay, with fully upgraded RAM, a 33 MHz stock processor, a power cord, and a keyboard and mouse (although I don't think it's the right mouse, cause it is the trapezoid mouse and it's a lot more yellowed than the keyboard). Anyways, the point is I'd like to know some info on the machine and if anyone here has had any luck with those DB15 to VGA things on one of these because unfortunately, I do not own a Mac monitor and probably won't for quite some time simply because I don't have the desk space for a CRT right now, and if not, where I could find a VGA card of some type for it.
My only other questions are what good games or cool programs are there for a Mac of this age, what OS should I run on it (Mac OS 7.5? 8.1? 9?), and lastly, what are my upgrade options if I want to put a DOS card or some other expansion card in here?
Thank you guys!!
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260070 is a reply to message #260069] |
Thu, 10 July 2014 05:08 |
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On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:36 AM, 'Keith Jamison' via Vintage Macs
<vintage-macs@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> You're right about that mouse. Sounds like you have an Apple ADB mouse
> (G5431/A9M)331). When we bought our Performa 630CD's back in the '90s, they
> were all supplied with the ADB Mouse II (M2706) - the teardrop shape.
>
> IIRC, there were two versions (maybe more)of the ADB II. One version had a
> simple twist panel in the base of the mouse to hold the mouse ball secure.
> The second version had a lockable twist panel which could be 'unlocked' with
> a straightened paperclip. This saved us a bunch of money because the pupils
> could not open the bottom of the mouse and remove the mouse ball.
>
Even though it may have shipped with the oval mouse, any ADB mouse
should work just fine; any Apple ADB mouse will absolutely work fine.
I would bet that the variations between mice of the same model was due
to different manufacturers, not a revision.
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260074 is a reply to message #260062] |
Thu, 10 July 2014 07:01 |
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Hi Christian,
As others have mentioned, any old ADB mouse (or keyboard) will work, even
if it's not be completely authentic if that's what you're going for. I also
have used the Mac->VGA video adapters on the beige powermacs and Mac II
series machines without issues.
If you haven't found it already, this link will give you some idea of
machine specs and what you can put in it for expansion:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_quadra/specs/mac_q uadra_630.html
I don't have much of any experience with the Quadras but it looks like that
machine can run up to OS 8.1. I'd be inclined to run 7.5 on it for speed
and lower RAM requirements. Since it's a 68040 this machine is among the
faster of the 68k line and it should handle pretty well.
Have fun! It's always nice to have more join us down the rabbit hole... ;)
Nate
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Christian Brodermann <
cmbrodermann96@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Vintage Mac lovers!!
>
> I'm new to the 68k Mac world, being a Apple ][ and PPC guy more than
> anything, and I really have no idea half the time what anything is in the
> 68k Mac world because Macs were kind of, well, weird at the time, let's
> just leave it at that.
>
> I am in the market for a 68k Mac, preferably one of the later ones, and
> I've found a nice cheap Performa 630CD on eBay, with fully upgraded RAM, a
> 33 MHz stock processor, a power cord, and a keyboard and mouse (although I
> don't think it's the right mouse, cause it is the trapezoid mouse and it's
> a lot more yellowed than the keyboard). Anyways, the point is I'd like to
> know some info on the machine and if anyone here has had any luck with
> those DB15 to VGA things on one of these because unfortunately, I do not
> own a Mac monitor and probably won't for quite some time simply because I
> don't have the desk space for a CRT right now, and if not, where I could
> find a VGA card of some type for it.
>
> My only other questions are what good games or cool programs are there for
> a Mac of this age, what OS should I run on it (Mac OS 7.5? 8.1? 9?), and
> lastly, what are my upgrade options if I want to put a DOS card or some
> other expansion card in here?
>
> Thank you guys!!
>
>
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260088 is a reply to message #260062] |
Thu, 10 July 2014 08:15 |
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Hello,
> I am in the market for a 68k Mac, preferably one of the later ones, and I've found a nice cheap Performa
> 630CD on eBay,
When you say, "cheap," does factoring in the cost of shipping still keep the machine in the Bargain Basement range?
I ask because, with a lot of older machines, it's not the initial price tag that's noteworthy: it's the cost of shipping the thing across a few states that can suddenly turn what seems initially to be a perfectly affordable proposition into a clippy one.
Best,
James Fraser
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260120 is a reply to message #260088] |
Thu, 10 July 2014 12:31 |
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Best of luck with your "new" mac.
The mac-vga adapters do work quite well. I've used mine with my LC II, and
powermac 6100. Any old CRT/LCD with a vga port should work fine. That said,
my 19" samsung monitor (~2004) doesn't like it. So, try to find a monitor
that's (at least for LCDs) around 14"/15" or less and that supports at
least a minimum resolution of 800x600. If it's a widescreen or has a dvi
port it may not work at all since it simply may not support a low enough
resolution. VGA/DVI adapters don't have any fancy circuitry (as I
understand), so if you have a dvi only monitor that fits the other criteria
you could try it (although you'd need a vga-dvi adapter). Also, some
adapters have a bunch of dip switches, and unless it's comes with a
reference sheet like mine did (and maybe even still) you may have to fiddle
with a number of different configurations of the switches before you find
one that produces a sharp-ish display without any horizontal or vertical
wobble. The refresh rate that the monitor supports may also be an issue. I
assume that anything that supports 60hz+ should be fine.
On Thursday, July 10, 2014 8:15:31 AM UTC-4, James Fraser wrote:
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>
> Hello,
>
>> I am in the market for a 68k Mac, preferably one of the later ones, and
> I've found a nice cheap Performa
>> 630CD on eBay,
>
> When you say, "cheap," does factoring in the cost of shipping still keep
> the machine in the Bargain Basement range?
>
> I ask because, with a lot of older machines, it's not the initial price
> tag that's noteworthy: it's the cost of shipping the thing across a few
> states that can suddenly turn what seems initially to be a perfectly
> affordable proposition into a clippy one.
>
>
> Best,
>
> James Fraser
>
>
>
>
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260339 is a reply to message #260120] |
Thu, 10 July 2014 15:52 |
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On 7/10/2014 10:31 AM, J Harton wrote:
> Best of luck with your "new" mac.
>
> The mac-vga adapters do work quite well. I've used mine with my LC II,
> and powermac 6100. Any old CRT/LCD with a vga port should work fine.
> That said, my 19" samsung monitor (~2004) doesn't like it. So, try to
> find a monitor that's (at least for LCDs) around 14"/15" or less and
> that supports at least a minimum resolution of 800x600. If it's a
> widescreen or has a dvi port it may not work at all since it simply may
> not support a low enough resolution. VGA/DVI adapters don't have any
> fancy circuitry (as I understand), so if you have a dvi only monitor
> that fits the other criteria you could try it (although you'd need a
> vga-dvi adapter). Also, some adapters have a bunch of dip switches, and
> unless it's comes with a reference sheet like mine did (and maybe even
> still) you may have to fiddle with a number of different configurations
> of the switches before you find one that produces a sharp-ish display
> without any horizontal or vertical wobble. The refresh rate that the
> monitor supports may also be an issue. I assume that anything that
> supports 60hz+ should be fine.
There are two main types of DVI port. One has both analog and digital,
the other is only digital. Both can also have one or two digital monitor
output in the one port. A DVI port with analog is easy to identify by
the + shape slots at one end. The digital only ones don't have that.
I don't know of any monitor that combines the analog VGA *input* into a
DVI connection.
Older Macintosh computers expect to have various pins connected together
in the cable to detect which resolution to set the video to. Back when
printing for newspapers and other graphic arts was 72DPI, Apple printers
were 72DPI too, so they wanted what was on the monitors to be exactly
the same size as print. (I suspect that instances of people holding up
printouts to their screen to compare the size were very rare.)
Thus Apple made each size of monitor only support a single resolution,
which is why the 12" color monitor and the Color Classic are 512x384
instead of 640x480, which would be higher than 72DPI at that screen size.
On Macs without built in support for multi-resolution monitors, you need
to buy or build an adapter. Some adapters have switch settings to make
just about any multi-resolution monitor work with any Mac that has the
large 15 pin connector. Some adapters only have settings for the older
fixed resolution monitors.
Search the web and you can find diagrams of how the sense pin
connections work, and from that you can easily solder together a single
resolution adapter.
Somewhere out there, there should be information on what old Macs have
built in video with multi-resolution monitor support.
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260340 is a reply to message #260062] |
Thu, 10 July 2014 16:24 |
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Contact me off thread, I have 20 to 30 older Macs (so many that I have not used for 5 to 10 years)
I am sure I have something and I bought a ton of software back in the day. Wife wants her shelf space back and her craft room back and I want these old machines saved from the land fill.
I have sold 6 - 8 recently for 10 to 25 dollars plus shipping
Let's talk and see if I can help you.
Mike
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> On Jul 9, 2014, at 10:38 PM, "Christian Brodermann" <cmbrodermann96@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Vintage Mac lovers!!
>
> I'm new to the 68k Mac world, being a Apple ][ and PPC guy more than anything, and I really have no idea half the time what anything is in the 68k Mac world because Macs were kind of, well, weird at the time, let's just leave it at that.
>
> I am in the market for a 68k Mac, preferably one of the later ones, and I've found a nice cheap Performa 630CD on eBay, with fully upgraded RAM, a 33 MHz stock processor, a power cord, and a keyboard and mouse (although I don't think it's the right mouse, cause it is the trapezoid mouse and it's a lot more yellowed than the keyboard). Anyways, the point is I'd like to know some info on the machine and if anyone here has had any luck with those DB15 to VGA things on one of these because unfortunately, I do not own a Mac monitor and probably won't for quite some time simply because I don't have the desk space for a CRT right now, and if not, where I could find a VGA card of some type for it.
>
> My only other questions are what good games or cool programs are there for a Mac of this age, what OS should I run on it (Mac OS 7.5? 8.1? 9?), and lastly, what are my upgrade options if I want to put a DOS card or some other expansion card in here?
>
> Thank you guys!!
>
>
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260341 is a reply to message #260062] |
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Alright!
So I can see the DB15-VGA converters work, and I have one with the DIP
switches, so we're good.
Anyway, my next thing is, how can I put a full-on 68040 in this machine,
and is it worth it to update to Mac OS 8.1, or should I stick with the
7.6.1 it has installed.
I know this is a big point of contention between a lot of late-model 68k
Mac owners, but on this specific machine, as is, with a 33MHz 68LC040,
should I go to 8.1
or should I stick to System 7?
I have researched the hell out of it, but I want other opinions. If anyone
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| Re: Performa 630CD [message #260364 is a reply to message #260339] |
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This is from the Department-of-Totally-Unrelated-Asides:
I recall that my name for the Performa 630 was Puzzle Box for the way it disassembles. I've owned and rescued a number of them in my
time of playing with them. Not so anymore. I've downsized too far to keep any desktop Macs. I do still have a number of Classic Macs, most of which are becoming silent or checkerboarding from aged caps.
Jeff Garrison
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260365 is a reply to message #260062] |
Thu, 10 July 2014 19:13 |
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Info can be found at everymac.com or mactracker.ca.
MW
On Jul 9, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Christian Brodermann <cmbrodermann96@gmail.com> wrote:
> My only other questions are what good games or cool programs are there for a Mac of this age, what OS should I run on it (Mac OS 7.5? 8.1? 9?), and lastly, what are my upgrade options if I want to put a DOS card or some other expansion card in here?
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260377 is a reply to message #260341] |
Thu, 10 July 2014 21:27 |
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On 7/10/2014 2:27 PM, Christian Brodermann wrote:
> Alright!
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> So I can see the DB15-VGA converters work, and I have one with the DIP
> switches, so we're good.
>
> Anyway, my next thing is, how can I put a full-on 68040 in this machine,
Carefully pry the current CPU out of its socket and carefully press in
the replacement. ;-) Unless it happens to be soldered to the board.
Your first problem is finding a 33Mhz 68040 CPU. The 25Mhz ones aren't
too awful bad for price but the 33Mhz, people expect you gotta be
kidding prices for them. On 40Mhz they just get insane.
You could try a 25Mhz one and overclock it, use some Arctic Silver and
put on a 486 CPU cooler and fan.
Or dig up a Macintosh Processor Upgrade Card, part number M3397LL/A and
you can run PPC software.
Well lookie here! $9.95 http://www.ebay.com/itm/300591971926
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260379 is a reply to message #260378] |
Thu, 10 July 2014 21:58 |
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Err, that still isn't for a Performa 630CD....
Jeff G
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Subject: Re: Performa 630CD Info
To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 10, 2014, 6:30 PM
On 7/10/2014 7:27 PM,
'Gregg Eshelman' via Vintage Macs wrote:
> Well lookie here! $9.95
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300591971926
Arrgh. Stupid idiotic search
engines that substitute whatever the bleep
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260380 is a reply to message #260341] |
Thu, 10 July 2014 22:03 |
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I have always preferred to use the latest OS the machine will tolerate, except in Classic Macs. I'm a little odd about that for the rareness of a System 6.0.3 or 6.0.4 over the better running, more de-bugged 6.0.8. 8.1's a great choice for that Performa if it has enough RAM (64MB).
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Alright!
So I can see the DB15-VGA converters work, and I have one
with the DIP switches, so we're good.
Anyway, my next thing is, how can I put a full-on 68040 in
this machine, and is it worth it to update to Mac OS 8.1, or
should I stick with the 7.6.1 it has installed.
I know this is a big point of contention between a lot of
late-model 68k Mac owners, but on this specific machine, as
is, with a 33MHz 68LC040, should I go to 8.1
or should I stick to System 7?
I have researched the hell out of it, but I want other
opinions. If anyone here has any advice, I'd be much
obliged.
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260389 is a reply to message #260062] |
Thu, 10 July 2014 22:26 |
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I think I'll stick with my LC040 for now, the 33MHz '040s are ridiculous!
Who the hell but us or an Amiga or Atari ST collector would need one?
Unless someone is willing to give me a '040, I'm sticking with my stock
processor, I don't think I'll be needing much in the way of FPU support
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260390 is a reply to message #260389] |
Thu, 10 July 2014 22:46 |
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On 7/10/2014 8:26 PM, Christian Brodermann wrote:
> I think I'll stick with my LC040 for now, the 33MHz '040s are
> ridiculous! Who the hell but us or an Amiga or Atari ST collector would
> need one?
>
> Unless someone is willing to give me a '040, I'm sticking with my stock
> processor, I don't think I'll be needing much in the way of FPU support
> anyway, at least for now.
You can get an 040 just as cheap, or less, than a bare CPU by buying a
complete Quadra 630 mainboard to slide into your Performa 630.
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260391 is a reply to message #260062] |
Thu, 10 July 2014 23:03 |
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Alright thanks for that info about the Quadra board!
Now I noticed someone said to put 64 MB of RAM into the 637CD, but on
EveryMac, it says it only supports up to a 32 MB RAM stick.
How can I put a 64 MB RAM stick into this machine, and is there a specific
type of RAM, or will any old 72-pin SIMM work?
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260397 is a reply to message #260389] |
Fri, 11 July 2014 00:28 |
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On 7/10/2014 10:26 PM, Christian Brodermann wrote:
> I think I'll stick with my LC040 for now, the 33MHz '040s are
> ridiculous! Who the hell but us or an Amiga or Atari ST collector
> would need one?
>
> Unless someone is willing to give me a '040, I'm sticking with my
> stock processor, I don't think I'll be needing much in the way of FPU
> support anyway, at least for now.
What a difference a decade makes! I bought a couple 33mhz 68040s in the
early 2000s, primarily for running Linux on my Macs. I still have one in
an overclocked LC 475 on my desk; it runs Linux sort of decently but Mac
OS X really slowly. Back then they were often not selling at all, or
maybe a bid or two. I'm sure I paid less than $20 for mine, possibly
less than $10. Shoulda cornered the market on the things! I can't
imagine they're especially rare even at this point; it's probably a
combination of esoteric demand and specialist market willing to pay that.
I still regret missing out on a couple Radius Rockets cheap on eBay in
the late 90s. Those things are rare as hens' teeth now and often sell
for $$$$.
Scott
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260398 is a reply to message #260378] |
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Interesting - can't find for which Mac this card was meant ...
cheers
m
> On 11. 7. 2014, at 3:30, 'Gregg Eshelman' via Vintage Macs <vintage-macs@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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>> On 7/10/2014 7:27 PM, 'Gregg Eshelman' via Vintage Macs wrote:
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>> Well lookie here! $9.95 http://www.ebay.com/itm/300591971926
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> Arrgh. Stupid idiotic search engines that substitute whatever the bleep they want instead of what one is actually looking for.
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> Still an excellent buy on a CPU upgrade for whatever Mac it fits.
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| RE: Performa 630CD Info [message #260412 is a reply to message #260398] |
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That's a 7500, 8500, 9600 powermac card.
> From: marek.drvota@me.com
> Subject: Re: Performa 630CD Info
> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 06:51:02 +0200
> To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
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> Interesting - can't find for which Mac this card was meant ...
>
> cheers
>
> m
>
>> On 11. 7. 2014, at 3:30, 'Gregg Eshelman' via Vintage Macs <vintage-macs@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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>>> On 7/10/2014 7:27 PM, 'Gregg Eshelman' via Vintage Macs wrote:
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>>> Well lookie here! $9.95 http://www.ebay.com/itm/300591971926
>>
>> Arrgh. Stupid idiotic search engines that substitute whatever the bleep they want instead of what one is actually looking for.
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>> Still an excellent buy on a CPU upgrade for whatever Mac it fits.
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260439 is a reply to message #260062] |
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Hello,
> You can get an 040 just as cheap, or less, than a bare CPU by buying a complete Quadra 630 mainboard to slide into your
> Performa 630.
If that's the case (or rather, the motherboard [sorry...]), a WTB (Want To Buy) post here:
http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/
...might net you one (assuming you're not familiar with that list already, that is).
While I can't say for sure what a post there will yield, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that the LEM Swap List, generally speaking, tends to be a "hobbyist friendly"-sort of place, with prices to match.
The downside is that LEM Swap requires one to include one's name, city, state, and zip when either buying or selling. The point being: if anonymity is important to you, eBay is probably your best bet in terms of not broadcasting who you are, where you are, and what you're up to to the world at large.
Anyway, it's just something for you to consider in your search for a hobby Mac. [shrugs]
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260503 is a reply to message #260452] |
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On 7/11/2014 10:47 AM, Christian Brodermann wrote:
> The side notes on the 040 are cool, but I really do need that info on
> the RAM because I need to order it.
>
> Does the Performa 637CD support 64 MB of extra RAM or not??
It'll go up to 128+4 meg with the right SIMM. MicroMac has them, maybe,
dunno if they still sell anything but the website is still there.
http://www.micromac.com/products/bigsimms.html
http://www.applefritter.com/node/24415
IIRC what the SIMMs must have is a lot of small capacity chips due to
the memory controller being unable to work with high capacity chips.
In other words 2 or 4 chip SIMMs of any size won't work, has to have at
least 8 chips for up to 32 meg. 64 meg would likely have 16 chips and
128 meg 32.
Google MicroMac BigSIMM and you'll find more info not on the micromac site.
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260682 is a reply to message #260391] |
Mon, 14 July 2014 12:08 |
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On Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:03:38 PM UTC-5, Christian Brodermann wrote:
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> Alright thanks for that info about the Quadra board!
>
> Now I noticed someone said to put 64 MB of RAM into the 637CD, but on
> EveryMac, it says it only supports up to a 32 MB RAM stick.
>
> How can I put a 64 MB RAM stick into this machine, and is there a specific
> type of RAM, or will any old 72-pin SIMM work?
>
The Q/P/LC 63n family uses 72 pin SIMMs. While rare-ish, 72 pin SIMMs are
available in 64MB and 128MB capacities. Not all Macs, which use 72 pin
SIMMs, are capable of addressing the SIMMs larger than 32MB, but the
machine in question can.
The HP part numbers, D4893 and D4290 identify 128 MB and 64 MB 72 pin SIMMs
respectively, which will work in Macs that accept those capacities.
The D4893 is actually a rebadged Samsung KMM53632000, so that's a
worthwhile search term as well.
IBM also sold these SIMMs but I don't which part numbers they used, and
they also used a different manufacturer (than Samsung) sometimes.
There's doesn't appear to be anything affordable under these part numbers
on Ebay at the moment. At least, not what I consider affordable. It may
be that the ship has sailed, but the 64 MB SIMMs used to be about $10 and
the 128 MB SIMMs were about $20. That was the bottom of the price curve,
but you could find those prices pretty regularly.
Jeff Walther
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260696 is a reply to message #260682] |
Mon, 14 July 2014 12:19 |
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Another important point is FPM vs EDO. I believe all 68k Macs need FPM.
That might help you find alternatives.
- Jonathan Morton
On 14 Jul 2014 19:08, "Jeff Walther" <trag@prismnet.com> wrote:
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>
> On Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:03:38 PM UTC-5, Christian Brodermann wrote:
>>
>> Alright thanks for that info about the Quadra board!
>>
>> Now I noticed someone said to put 64 MB of RAM into the 637CD, but on
>> EveryMac, it says it only supports up to a 32 MB RAM stick.
>>
>> How can I put a 64 MB RAM stick into this machine, and is there a
>> specific type of RAM, or will any old 72-pin SIMM work?
>>
>
> The Q/P/LC 63n family uses 72 pin SIMMs. While rare-ish, 72 pin SIMMs
> are available in 64MB and 128MB capacities. Not all Macs, which use 72
> pin SIMMs, are capable of addressing the SIMMs larger than 32MB, but the
> machine in question can.
>
> The HP part numbers, D4893 and D4290 identify 128 MB and 64 MB 72 pin
> SIMMs respectively, which will work in Macs that accept those capacities.
>
> The D4893 is actually a rebadged Samsung KMM53632000, so that's a
> worthwhile search term as well.
>
> IBM also sold these SIMMs but I don't which part numbers they used, and
> they also used a different manufacturer (than Samsung) sometimes.
>
> There's doesn't appear to be anything affordable under these part numbers
> on Ebay at the moment. At least, not what I consider affordable. It may
> be that the ship has sailed, but the 64 MB SIMMs used to be about $10 and
> the 128 MB SIMMs were about $20. That was the bottom of the price curve,
> but you could find those prices pretty regularly.
>
> Jeff Walther
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260697 is a reply to message #260391] |
Mon, 14 July 2014 12:22 |
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On Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:03:38 PM UTC-5, Christian Brodermann wrote:
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> Alright thanks for that info about the Quadra board!
>
> Now I noticed someone said to put 64 MB of RAM into the 637CD, but on
> EveryMac, it says it only supports up to a 32 MB RAM stick.
>
> How can I put a 64 MB RAM stick into this machine, and is there a specific
> type of RAM, or will any old 72-pin SIMM work?
>
Okay, a little searching turns up this: <http://r.ebay.com/gyMNxv>, which
is 64 MB SIMM for $12. However, unless I miss my guess, that SIMM is
actually built out of 3.3V parts and has a voltage control chip on board to
adjust the supply voltage for the chips. In general, 3.3V memory chips
will work with 5V I/O, but it may not be reliable in some machines.
Still, that seller is a good one to watch. Back when, he had piles of the
D4290 for about $10 each.
Ah, the viewed similar items link to the rescue. This one is the stuff.
Real 5V chips. However, I've never actually used one of this make so I'm
not guaranteeing it works, but it has as good a chance as any untested item
from Ebay. It seems to meet the specs. <http://r.ebay.com/XMFq4d>
Also this <http://r.ebay.com/w4651q> but call or email them and make sure
it has just 8 chips on board. The photo is "representational" only.
There are some composite SIMMs built out of 4M X 4 parts with 32 chips on
board and you want to avoid those.
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260698 is a reply to message #260696] |
Mon, 14 July 2014 12:24 |
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On Monday, July 14, 2014 11:19:36 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Morton wrote:
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> Another important point is FPM vs EDO. I believe all 68k Macs need FPM.
> That might help you find alternatives.
>
> - Jonathan Morton
>
Actually, not an important point at all. There is an AppleTech Note which
spells out the fact that Macs which work with FPM memory all work fine with
EDO memory. The only exception is the PowerMac 7200 and its Power
Computing clones, PowerCurve, PowerCenter, PowerTower (but not Pro), and
PowerCenter Pro.
Jeff Walther
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260699 is a reply to message #260503] |
Mon, 14 July 2014 12:41 |
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On Friday, July 11, 2014 9:51:30 PM UTC-5, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
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>
> It'll go up to 128+4 meg with the right SIMM.
>
> IIRC what the SIMMs must have is a lot of small capacity chips due to
> the memory controller being unable to work with high capacity chips.
>
> In other words 2 or 4 chip SIMMs of any size won't work, has to have at
> least 8 chips for up to 32 meg. 64 meg would likely have 16 chips and
> 128 meg 32.
>
Eight chips for a usable 64MB SIMM. Sixteen chips for a usable 128MB
SIMM. Twelve and twenty-four respectively, if they are parity SIMMs.
Samsung made a 5V, FPM/EDO memory chip with 16M X 4 organization and
another with 16M X 1 organization. KM44C16000 is the 16M X 4 part. The
KM44V16000 is 3.3V, but appears to have 5V tolerant IO. The 16M X 1 part
is KM41C16000 for 5V or KM41V16000 for 3.3V supply.
The good large capacity SIMMs are typically made of eight of the 16M X 4
chips or sixteen for the larger SIMM.
For some reason, on parity SIMMs, they used the 16M X 1 parts to provide
parity. 1 bit of parity per 8 bits of data. So a 16M X 32 bit SIMM
requires four of the 16M X 1 bit parts to provide parity. The 2 X 16M X
32 (128 MB) SIMM requires 2 X four of the 16M X 1 bit parts to provide
parity.
Of course the Mac ignores the parity, but often, the parity SIMMs are
available and as cheap or cheaper than the non-parity SIMMs.
On a parity SIMM, there will be eight fat chips and four narrow chips, 16
fat and 8 narrow for the 128MB SIMM.
Jeff Walther
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260739 is a reply to message #260062] |
Mon, 14 July 2014 18:55 |
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My last question is I have an old Quantum drive out of an iMac G3.
Can this be used in my 637CD for Mac OS 8.1 cause a 500 MB drive, although
nice, a drive 9 times larger is even better haha!
Just wanted to know if it would work, it being IDE, just like the drive in
the 637CD.
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| RE: Performa 630CD Info [message #260770 is a reply to message #260739] |
Tue, 15 July 2014 04:46 |
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Yes the drive will work as long as you make partition less than 2 gb.
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 15:55:39 -0700
From: cmbrodermann96@gmail.com
To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Performa 630CD Info
My last question is I have an old Quantum drive out of an iMac G3.
Can this be used in my 637CD for Mac OS 8.1 cause a 500 MB drive, although nice, a drive 9 times larger is even better haha!
Just wanted to know if it would work, it being IDE, just like the drive in the 637CD.
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #260984 is a reply to message #260062] |
Wed, 16 July 2014 20:49 |
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Welp. Got my Mac working well, then I get my 64MB stick of RAM, install it,
and it immediately stops displaying anything on the monitor while using the
same exact settings on my adapter I had used when it had the 32MB stick.
I went back to the original RAM, and it still doesn't work, and I've tried
pretty much every combination for every display and still nothing.
I'm wondering what's going on.
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| Re[2]: Performa 630CD Info [message #261336 is a reply to message #260984] |
Thu, 17 July 2014 22:25 |
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How long did you wait after powering on? Remember these Macs test their
RAM on startup, and stuffing these huge amounts of RAM into them can
make them take upwards of minutes to come up. My IIci can take literally
2-3 minutes from bong to screen on when I have the full 128MB in it.
Scott
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From: "Christian Brodermann" <cmbrodermann96@gmail.com>
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> Welp. Got my Mac working well, then I get my 64MB stick of RAM, install
> it, and it immediately stops displaying anything on the monitor while
> using the same exact settings on my adapter I had used when it had the
> 32MB stick.
>
> I went back to the original RAM, and it still doesn't work, and I've
> tried pretty much every combination for every display and still
> nothing.
>
> I'm wondering what's going on.
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| Re: Re[2]: Performa 630CD Info [message #261348 is a reply to message #261336] |
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I would also do a PRAM reset since you've made a hardware change.
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Christian Brodermann" <cmbrodermann96@gmail.com>
> To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
> Sent: 7/16/2014 8:49:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Performa 630CD Info
>
>
> Welp. Got my Mac working well, then I get my 64MB stick of RAM, install it,
> and it immediately stops displaying anything on the monitor while using the
> same exact settings on my adapter I had used when it had the 32MB stick.
>
> I went back to the original RAM, and it still doesn't work, and I've tried
> pretty much every combination for every display and still nothing.
>
> I'm wondering what's going on.
>
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| Re: Performa 630CD Info [message #261392 is a reply to message #260062] |
Fri, 18 July 2014 10:48 |
Christian Brodermann
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Everything is ok now. I switched to my other adapter I had for my grandpa's
old Power Mac (which we sold for some reason), and it worked, so it's good.
My only thing is that this machine is on a HFS partition, not a HFS+
partition, does that affect the ability to read HFS+ formatted discs in Mac
OS 8.1?
I am trying to write software over to the machine on CDs because it doesn't
have an Ethernet card to simply connect it to a (more) modern Mac with Wi-Fi
If anyone could provide me a link to an Ethernet card compatible with the
Performa 637CD, I'd be much obliged.
Thank you!!
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| Re[2]: Performa 630CD Info [message #261696 is a reply to message #261392] |
Sat, 19 July 2014 18:17 |
Scott Holder
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Registered: August 2012
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68k Macs can't boot from an HFS+ partition, so that's expected. Mac OS
8.1 can handle HFS+ fine anyway, so you could have a small HFS boot
partition and big data drive on HFS+.
As for ethernet, this model has both LC PDS and Comm Slots, so you have
a pretty good list of options. Unless you need a modem in the Comm Slot,
you'll probably be better off using it for ethernet and keeping the LC
PDS for other options.
If you hunt around eBay or the Swap List, you can probably find it
cheaper, but http://www.welovemacs.com/comslotimac.html has some Comm
Slot I cards in stock. Make sure you watch out and don't end up with a
Comm Slot II card.
Scott
------ Original Message ------
From: "Christian Brodermann" <cmbrodermann96@gmail.com>
To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
Sent: 7/18/2014 10:48:24 AM
Subject: Re: Performa 630CD Info
> Everything is ok now. I switched to my other adapter I had for my
> grandpa's old Power Mac (which we sold for some reason), and it worked,
> so it's good.
>
> My only thing is that this machine is on a HFS partition, not a HFS+
> partition, does that affect the ability to read HFS+ formatted discs in
> Mac OS 8.1?
>
> I am trying to write software over to the machine on CDs because it
> doesn't have an Ethernet card to simply connect it to a (more) modern
> Mac with Wi-Fi
>
> If anyone could provide me a link to an Ethernet card compatible with
> the Performa 637CD, I'd be much obliged.
>
> Thank you!!
>
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