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replacement HDD only gets MS-DOS Options in partition menu [message #249294] Sat, 12 April 2014 04:59 Go to next message
Thomas Fritsch is currently offline  Thomas Fritsch
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i replaced my old Snow white iMac G3's 40GB hdd w/ a 80GB IDE Drive i had
in an old IBM Server,

what i remember when preparing the drive boot the iMac w/ Disc one of OSX's
CDvers set (this iMac doesnt have a DVD Drive) select the Drive itself and
under Erase set it to Volume Format: MacOS Extended (Journaled)
then under the untitled partition i can partition it off 1 small one for
OS9 dualboot.(yes i had it install the OS 9 Disk Driver.) and the rest for
OS X Tiger and i've replaced the HDD before in my DVi+ G3 iMac and had done
it that way w/o issue


however w/ this iMac under the partition Scheme, only see MS-DOS for
partition Type. any idea whats going on? the Drive's a 80GB Western Digital
branded HDD.

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Re: replacement HDD only gets MS-DOS Options in partition menu [message #249296 is a reply to message #249294] Sat, 12 April 2014 05:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Apr 12, 2014, at 3:59 AM, Xion Dracari <xiondracari@gmail.com> wrote:

> however w/ this iMac under the partition Scheme, only see MS-DOS for partition Type. any idea whats going on? the Drive's a 80GB Western Digital branded HDD.

Your problem is that you haven't reformatted the HD to Apple Partition Format, it's still Master Boot Record partition format. In Disk Utility, highlight the HD itself, and then under Options select Apple Partition Format. Then select however many partitions you want, and size them accordingly. You probably only need a few GB for OS 9, and honestly you don't actually even need a separate partition for OS 9, it can reside on the same partition as OS X and still be dual bootable via the Option key boot. In most cases OS 9 runs faster as Classic emulation under OS X than it does natively booted. The only reason to boot OS 9 rather than run as Classic would be special hardware that lacks any OS X support or drivers. Almost all printers, scanners, and other standard hardware are still accessible from Classic.

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Re: replacement HDD only gets MS-DOS Options in partition menu [message #249303 is a reply to message #249296] Sat, 12 April 2014 07:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ok this is weird ... the install breaks the moment it needs CD 2. (it says
"There were errors durring install try again later")


On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 5:32 AM, Kris Tilford <ktilford1@cox.net> wrote:

> On Apr 12, 2014, at 3:59 AM, Xion Dracari <xiondracari@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> however w/ this iMac under the partition Scheme, only see MS-DOS for
> partition Type. any idea whats going on? the Drive's a 80GB Western Digital
> branded HDD.
>
>
> Your problem is that you haven’t reformatted the HD to Apple Partition
> Format, it’s still Master Boot Record partition format. In Disk Utility,
> highlight the HD itself, and then under Options select Apple Partition
> Format. Then select however many partitions you want, and size them
> accordingly. You probably only need a few GB for OS 9, and honestly you
> don’t actually even need a separate partition for OS 9, it can reside on
> the same partition as OS X and still be dual bootable via the Option key
> boot. In most cases OS 9 runs faster as Classic emulation under OS X than
> it does natively booted. The only reason to boot OS 9 rather than run as
> Classic would be special hardware that lacks any OS X support or drivers.
> Almost all printers, scanners, and other standard hardware are still
> accessible from Classic.
>
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Re: replacement HDD only gets MS-DOS Options in partition menu [message #249304 is a reply to message #249294] Sat, 12 April 2014 07:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Subject: replacement HDD only gets MS-DOS Options in partition menu
Date: Saturday, 12 April 2014
From: Xion Dracari
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Hello!

> i replaced my old Snow white iMac G3's 40GB hdd w/ a 80GB IDE Drive i had
> in an old IBM Server,
So this drive uses most likely a different partitioning scheme i.e.
partition table. Apple from the Power Mac era use APM, Apple Partition
Map. PCs and other x86 architectures of that era used MBR, Master Boot
Record. Some IBM servers are PowerPC based thou, so chances are it uses
a different partition map.
> what i remember when preparing the drive boot the iMac w/ Disc one of OSX's
> CDvers set (this iMac doesnt have a DVD Drive) select the Drive itself and
> under Erase set it to Volume Format: MacOS Extended (Journaled)
> then under the untitled partition i can partition it off 1 small one for
> OS9 dualboot.(yes i had it install the OS 9 Disk Driver.) and the rest for
> OS X Tiger and i've replaced the HDD before in my DVi+ G3 iMac and had done
> it that way w/o issue
That sounds good so far. Make sure you select APM as partition map when
repartitioning, otherwise the current partition map will be used.
> however w/ this iMac under the partition Scheme, only see MS-DOS for
> partition Type. any idea whats going on? the Drive's a 80GB Western Digital
> branded HDD.
The explanation might be that the drive is still partitioned with a
Master Boot Record.

http://macs.about.com/od/usingyourmac/qt/partition-types.htm

I hope that helps,
Andreas aka Mac User #330250


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Re: replacement HDD only gets MS-DOS Options in partition menu [message #249323 is a reply to message #249294] Sat, 12 April 2014 13:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:32 AM, Thomas Fritsch <xiondracari@gmail.com> wrote:

> ok this is weird ... the install breaks the moment it needs CD 2.

On an OS X Tiger 10.4 installation, nothing is required beyond CD 1 if you deselect every possible Optional installation during the setup, and only check "Install Base System". All of the other software can be installed AFTER by inserting CD 2, 3, or 4 and double-clicking any of the installer packages. Since virtually every piece of optional software has been upgraded and will need the equivalent of a complete reinstall, it will be faster to download the newer updates and install them directly than to install them from CD, and then download and reinstall the updates. When I install Tiger I rarely ever use anything past CD 1. A large part is your exact problem, the installation fails with an error message that can be avoided with little or no downside.

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Re: replacement HDD only gets MS-DOS Options in partition menu [message #249348 is a reply to message #249323] Sat, 12 April 2014 19:23 Go to previous message
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reformatted the HDD again cleaned off my disc and it installed properly ,
Now to connect it to the net and grab all the updates ! thanks for the help.


On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Kris Tilford <ktilford1@cox.net> wrote:

> On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:32 AM, Thomas Fritsch <xiondracari@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ok this is weird ... the install breaks the moment it needs CD 2.
>
>
> On an OS X Tiger 10.4 installation, nothing is required beyond CD 1 if you
> deselect every possible Optional installation during the setup, and only
> check “Install Base System”. All of the other software can be installed
> AFTER by inserting CD 2, 3, or 4 and double-clicking any of the installer
> packages. Since virtually every piece of optional software has been
> upgraded and will need the equivalent of a complete reinstall, it will be
> faster to download the newer updates and install them directly than to
> install them from CD, and then download and reinstall the updates. When I
> install Tiger I rarely ever use anything past CD 1. A large part is your
> exact problem, the installation fails with an error message that can be
> avoided with little or no downside.
>
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