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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #45834 is a reply to message #45312] |
Thu, 28 March 2013 20:26   |
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nyder wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:22:23 PM UTC-7, Brendan Robert wrote:
>> http://www.c64sdcard.com/index.html
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>> Has anyone used this yet? Sure looks exciting!
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>> -B
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> Nice, thanks for the post. I need something like that for my Commies.
>
I don't know if it is as good as the uIEC functionally, but considering
it has a nice case and has it's own power supply - that is a bargain at $55.
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #45852 is a reply to message #45834] |
Fri, 29 March 2013 04:32 |
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On 29 Mar 2013, Clocky wrote:
> I don't know if it is as good as the uIEC functionally, but
> considering it has a nice case and has it's own power
> supply - that is a bargain at $55.
Mind you, if I were looking for one of these things personally,
I'd probably prefer an option to sacrifice these features for a
decent cut in the price. I have my own power supplies and could
survive well enough without a case.
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #45889 is a reply to message #45852] |
Fri, 29 March 2013 10:31 |
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Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> On 29 Mar 2013, Clocky wrote:
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>> I don't know if it is as good as the uIEC functionally, but
>> considering it has a nice case and has it's own power
>> supply - that is a bargain at $55.
>
> Mind you, if I were looking for one of these things personally,
> I'd probably prefer an option to sacrifice these features for a
> decent cut in the price. I have my own power supplies and could
> survive well enough without a case.
>
Sure, I would buy a couple if they were a lot cheaper. The uIEC is what
you are looking for as a stripped down solution but even without those
extras included with the SD1564 it is still more expensive.
Hence, I think, for $55 it's a bargain.
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #46099 is a reply to message #45889] |
Sat, 30 March 2013 08:36 |
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> Hence, I think, for $55 it's a bargain.
Only because of the steep prices on the other stuff. Compared to the
<$25 Arduino hardware that's no different, it isn't.
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #46128 is a reply to message #46099] |
Sat, 30 March 2013 12:03 |
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Op 30-Mar-13 13:36, Chris Baird schreef:
>> Hence, I think, for $55 it's a bargain.
>
> Only because of the steep prices on the other stuff. Compared to the
> <$25 Arduino hardware that's no different, it isn't.
The market for Arduino hardware, and therefore the production volume, is
quite a bit bigger than for accessories for a computer that became
obsolete over two decades ago and which only a handful of hobbyist would
care for.
If you want a piece of electronics to be cheap you better figure out a
way to sell at least tens of thousands (preferably more) of it. For
products like the SD1564, uIEC, MMC64...etc I would be surprised if they
are able to sell more than a couple of hundred. At those volumes $55 is
very cheap, especially considering it comes with a case and a power
supply, things that most <$25 Arduino hardware lacks. Also the
development effort would be quite a bit more than the typical Arduino
hardware; it is not like you can make something like this by just
following the application note of whatever chip is used.
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #46284 is a reply to message #46128] |
Sun, 31 March 2013 15:33 |
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>> Only because of the steep prices on the other stuff. Compared to the
>> <$25 Arduino hardware that's no different, it isn't.
Dombo,
> I know absolutely nothing about today's PCB board services,
> like www.batchpcb.com or the like.
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #46367 is a reply to message #46128] |
Mon, 01 April 2013 09:31 |
Clocky
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Dombo wrote:
> Op 30-Mar-13 13:36, Chris Baird schreef:
>>> Hence, I think, for $55 it's a bargain.
>>
>> Only because of the steep prices on the other stuff. Compared to the
>> <$25 Arduino hardware that's no different, it isn't.
>
> The market for Arduino hardware, and therefore the production volume, is
> quite a bit bigger than for accessories for a computer that became
> obsolete over two decades ago and which only a handful of hobbyist would
> care for.
>
> If you want a piece of electronics to be cheap you better figure out a
> way to sell at least tens of thousands (preferably more) of it. For
> products like the SD1564, uIEC, MMC64...etc I would be surprised if they
> are able to sell more than a couple of hundred. At those volumes $55 is
> very cheap, especially considering it comes with a case and a power
> supply, things that most <$25 Arduino hardware lacks. Also the
> development effort would be quite a bit more than the typical Arduino
> hardware; it is not like you can make something like this by just
> following the application note of whatever chip is used.
>
Agreed. By the time you develop a working board and case and get it to
market as a working product $55 is cheap, very cheap.
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #46369 is a reply to message #45310] |
Wed, 27 March 2013 15:10 |
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Brendan Robert <brendan.robert@gmail.com> writes:
> http://www.c64sdcard.com/index.html
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> Has anyone used this yet? Sure looks exciting!
Just by looking at the feature list on their web site I can guess that
it's yet another AVR running sd2iec, this time in a nice-looking case.
The picture in their manual confirms that it's running on an ATmega644
(so not as "future-proof" as it could be). They missed out on the second
device address pin to select address 10/11 via jumper and they chose to
not use any bus drivers - expect problems if you want to use it with 2-3
original floppy drives on the same bus.
There is no word about firmware updates on the web site and in the
manual, so it's possible that they did not flash a boot loader on the
AVR for easy updates via SD card.
-ik
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #46370 is a reply to message #46128] |
Sun, 31 March 2013 06:12 |
Ingo Korb
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Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> writes:
> Also the development effort would be quite a bit more than the typical
> Arduino hardware; it is not like you can make something like this by
> just following the application note of whatever chip is used.
For these AVR-based SD drives it's not much harder than cloning an
Arduino though. The software (sd2iec) as well as circuit diagrams for
the hardware already exist, they just needed to create their own PCB
layout and for this particular one also a case.
-ik
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #46626 is a reply to message #46369] |
Tue, 02 April 2013 15:54 |
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On Mar 27, 3:10 pm, Ingo Korb <use...@mail.snowcat.de> wrote:
> Brendan Robert <brendan.rob...@gmail.com> writes:
>> http://www.c64sdcard.com/index.html
>
>> Has anyone used this yet? Sure looks exciting!
>
> Just by looking at the feature list on their web site I can guess that
> it's yet another AVR running sd2iec, this time in a nice-looking case.
>
> The picture in their manual confirms that it's running on an ATmega644
> (so not as "future-proof" as it could be). They missed out on the second
> device address pin to select address 10/11 via jumper and they chose to
> not use any bus drivers - expect problems if you want to use it with 2-3
> original floppy drives on the same bus.
>
> There is no word about firmware updates on the web site and in the
> manual, so it's possible that they did not flash a boot loader on the
> AVR for easy updates via SD card.
>
> -ik
I bought one of these a couple weeks ago, so I sent the seller an
email asking about updates.
Here is his response:
=============================================
It support firmware update, but only i can update the firmware.
(no bootloader in processor)
The firmware is latest build.
I will send an
e-mail, if will have new firmware.
Norbert
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #46627 is a reply to message #46370] |
Tue, 02 April 2013 16:46 |
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Op 31-Mar-13 12:12, Ingo Korb schreef:
> Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> writes:
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>> Also the development effort would be quite a bit more than the typical
>> Arduino hardware; it is not like you can make something like this by
>> just following the application note of whatever chip is used.
>
> For these AVR-based SD drives it's not much harder than cloning an
> Arduino though. The software (sd2iec) as well as circuit diagrams for
> the hardware already exist, they just needed to create their own PCB
> layout and for this particular one also a case.
I didn't know about sd2iec (I haven't been following the scene closely).
However I still feel that $55 for something specialized like this is
quite a bargain.
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #46638 is a reply to message #46367] |
Tue, 02 April 2013 07:50 |
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> Agreed. By the time you develop a working board and case and get it
> to market as a working product $55 is cheap, very cheap.
No it's not. Mates of mine regularly do small project runs (a dozen or
so units) based on the STM32 MCU (quadcopter controllers, debuggers,
etc.; all at the same scale of complexity, if not more, as IEC
simulators), and sell them for US$15-30. What Dombo posted was pulled
out of his clueless ass.
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #46650 is a reply to message #46638] |
Tue, 02 April 2013 23:06 |
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On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 4:50:53 AM UTC-7, Chris Baird wrote:
>> Agreed. By the time you develop a working board and case and get it
>
>> to market as a working product $55 is cheap, very cheap.
>
>
>
> No it's not. Mates of mine regularly do small project runs (a dozen or
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> so units) based on the STM32 MCU (quadcopter controllers, debuggers,
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> etc.; all at the same scale of complexity, if not more, as IEC
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> simulators), and sell them for US$15-30. What Dombo posted was pulled
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> out of his clueless ass.
>
>
>
> --
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> Chris
So you are saying you make an floppy emulator for the C64 like the uIEC/SD and the C64 SD 1564? Sweet, I'd like to order one. Can you be more specific on your price? Will it have the ability to swap disk images like the C64 SD 1564 does?
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #46736 is a reply to message #46638] |
Wed, 03 April 2013 13:09 |
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Chris Baird wrote:
>> Agreed. By the time you develop a working board and case and get it
>> to market as a working product $55 is cheap, very cheap.
>
> No it's not. Mates of mine regularly do small project runs (a dozen or
> so units) based on the STM32 MCU (quadcopter controllers, debuggers,
> etc.; all at the same scale of complexity, if not more, as IEC
> simulators), and sell them for US$15-30. What Dombo posted was pulled
> out of his clueless ass.
>
With cases and power supplies?
Thought not...
How about they do a run of uIEC type devices for $15... they would sell
shitloads!
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #46737 is a reply to message #46650] |
Wed, 03 April 2013 13:11 |
Clocky
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nyder wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 4:50:53 AM UTC-7, Chris Baird wrote:
>>> Agreed. By the time you develop a working board and case and get it
>>
>>> to market as a working product $55 is cheap, very cheap.
>>
>>
>>
>> No it's not. Mates of mine regularly do small project runs (a dozen or
>>
>> so units) based on the STM32 MCU (quadcopter controllers, debuggers,
>>
>> etc.; all at the same scale of complexity, if not more, as IEC
>>
>> simulators), and sell them for US$15-30. What Dombo posted was pulled
>>
>> out of his clueless ass.
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>> Chris
>
> So you are saying you make an floppy emulator for the C64 like the uIEC/SD and the C64 SD 1564? Sweet, I'd like to order one. Can you be more specific on your price? Will it have the ability to swap disk images like the C64 SD 1564 does?
>
Talk is cheap, components, cases, power supplies and boards in low
volumes are not.
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #46738 is a reply to message #46626] |
Wed, 03 April 2013 13:12 |
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Jerry Kurtz wrote:
> On Mar 27, 3:10 pm, Ingo Korb <use...@mail.snowcat.de> wrote:
>> Brendan Robert <brendan.rob...@gmail.com> writes:
>>> http://www.c64sdcard.com/index.html
>>
>>> Has anyone used this yet? Sure looks exciting!
>>
>> Just by looking at the feature list on their web site I can guess that
>> it's yet another AVR running sd2iec, this time in a nice-looking case.
>>
>> The picture in their manual confirms that it's running on an ATmega644
>> (so not as "future-proof" as it could be). They missed out on the second
>> device address pin to select address 10/11 via jumper and they chose to
>> not use any bus drivers - expect problems if you want to use it with 2-3
>> original floppy drives on the same bus.
>>
>> There is no word about firmware updates on the web site and in the
>> manual, so it's possible that they did not flash a boot loader on the
>> AVR for easy updates via SD card.
>>
>> -ik
>
> I bought one of these a couple weeks ago, so I sent the seller an
> email asking about updates.
>
> Here is his response:
> =============================================
> It support firmware update, but only i can update the firmware.
That's not good.
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #46739 is a reply to message #46736] |
Wed, 03 April 2013 13:52 |
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On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 1:09:57 PM UTC-4, Clocky wrote:
> Chris Baird wrote:
>
>>> Agreed. By the time you develop a working board and case and get it
>
>>> to market as a working product $55 is cheap, very cheap.
>
>>
>
>> No it's not. Mates of mine regularly do small project runs (a dozen or
>
>> so units) based on the STM32 MCU (quadcopter controllers, debuggers,
>
>> etc.; all at the same scale of complexity, if not more, as IEC
>
>> simulators), and sell them for US$15-30. What Dombo posted was pulled
>
>> out of his clueless ass.
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>>
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> With cases and power supplies?
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>
> Thought not...
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> How about they do a run of uIEC type devices for $15... they would sell
>
> shitloads!
It's unrealistic to assume someone is going to sell you, a complete stranger, something they spent a lot of time on at raw manufacturing cost. Likewise, if you're willing to pay them only the raw cost you are essentially telling them that you do not value their time spent on the product. I do not think that $55 is a bad price for a device that doesn't sell in large volumes. If this were the 80's then they could sell this at a lower profit margin in order to make more money in volume. But there are maybe a couple dozen people willing to buy this, he can charge whatever the heck he wants to.
-B
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #46988 is a reply to message #46739] |
Fri, 05 April 2013 11:11 |
Clocky
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Brendan Robert wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 1:09:57 PM UTC-4, Clocky wrote:
>> Chris Baird wrote:
>>
>>>> Agreed. By the time you develop a working board and case and get it
>>
>>>> to market as a working product $55 is cheap, very cheap.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> No it's not. Mates of mine regularly do small project runs (a dozen or
>>
>>> so units) based on the STM32 MCU (quadcopter controllers, debuggers,
>>
>>> etc.; all at the same scale of complexity, if not more, as IEC
>>
>>> simulators), and sell them for US$15-30. What Dombo posted was pulled
>>
>>> out of his clueless ass.
>>
>>>
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>> With cases and power supplies?
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>>
>> Thought not...
>>
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>>
>> How about they do a run of uIEC type devices for $15... they would sell
>>
>> shitloads!
>
> It's unrealistic to assume someone is going to sell you, a complete stranger, something they spent a lot of time on at raw manufacturing cost. Likewise, if you're willing to pay them only the raw cost you are essentially telling them that you do not value their time spent on the product. I do not think that $55 is a bad price for a device that doesn't sell in large volumes. If this were the 80's then they could sell this at a lower profit margin in order to make more money in volume. But there are maybe a couple dozen people willing to buy this, he can charge whatever the heck he wants to.
>
> -B
>
I agree wholeheartedly.
I've designed a Multicart for a fairly rare system and the prototyping
stage took a considerable amount of time. I could get boards made,
source the components, program the chips and mount them and print a
manual and then offer support, but to do it at $55, do a case design and
have it made and then throw in a power supply... no way, it would cost
more then I could ever hope to get in return.
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #47553 is a reply to message #46738] |
Tue, 09 April 2013 02:41 |
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On 4/3/2013 12:12 PM, Clocky wrote:>> Here is his response:
>> =============================================
>> It support firmware update, but only i can update the firmware.
>
> That's not good.
Agreed. Though firmware updates for sd2iec are fewer nowadays, there
for a while, features were getting added pretty regularly. I love
bootloader updaters so much now, I hesitate to offer items without such
a feature, and would do almost anything to avoid designing something new
without such a feature.
I can see doing STM32 devices in small runs for $15-$30, but it would be
just that, a small run.
The problem with such a low price point is that you're offering your
brainpower and time for free. For a small project run for some buds,
that's ideal; keep the cost low and move on to the next thing. For a
continual product, not so much.
In fact, I can't see how the guy can offer the device for $55.00 from
here. The case is at least $3.00 in bulk, someone has to mill it, the
device is probably $20.00 or so, there some scrap to figure in there
somwhere, some units will be faulty, etc.
But, it looks nice...
Jerry, suggest he ask Ingo or I about bootloaders. If it's an sd2iec
variant, the bootloader is easy to add, and then it would get things off
his plate.
Jim
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #47668 is a reply to message #47553] |
Tue, 09 April 2013 10:17 |
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On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 1:41:12 AM UTC-5, Jim Brain wrote:
> On 4/3/2013 12:12 PM, Clocky wrote:>> Here is his response:
>
>>> =============================================
>
>>> It support firmware update, but only i can update the firmware.
>
>>
>
>> That's not good.
>
> Agreed. Though firmware updates for sd2iec are fewer nowadays, there
>
> for a while, features were getting added pretty regularly. I love
>
> bootloader updaters so much now, I hesitate to offer items without such
>
> a feature, and would do almost anything to avoid designing something new
>
> without such a feature.
>
>
>
> I can see doing STM32 devices in small runs for $15-$30, but it would be
>
> just that, a small run.
>
>
>
> The problem with such a low price point is that you're offering your
>
> brainpower and time for free. For a small project run for some buds,
>
> that's ideal; keep the cost low and move on to the next thing. For a
>
> continual product, not so much.
>
>
>
> In fact, I can't see how the guy can offer the device for $55.00 from
>
> here. The case is at least $3.00 in bulk, someone has to mill it, the
>
> device is probably $20.00 or so, there some scrap to figure in there
>
> somwhere, some units will be faulty, etc.
>
>
>
> But, it looks nice...
>
>
>
> Jerry, suggest he ask Ingo or I about bootloaders. If it's an sd2iec
>
> variant, the bootloader is easy to add, and then it would get things off
>
> his plate.
>
>
>
> Jim
Exactly. I was actually thinking up a simple schematic to hook up a raspberry pi to the C2N (tape) port and implement a simple TAP player (phase 1) and later a high-speed loader which could out-pace other routines since it never leaves the digital domain -- I estimate roughly 8000-9000bps. Anyway, it wouldn't be a finished product. It would be a "free to collaborate" sort of thing with schematics posted somewhere -- requiring nothing more than a breadboard, a cheap optocoupler and some resistors.
But the time aspect of working on such a thing is prohibitive. I have a basic working model for the whole thing buried in the recesses of gray matter at this moment. If anyone were wanting to start such a project I have a lot of ideas to contribute, as well as an example optocoupler circuit (so no need to fret about anything getting frizzle fried)
-B
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #48252 is a reply to message #47553] |
Wed, 10 April 2013 17:11 |
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Jim Brain <brain@jbrain.com> writes:
> Agreed. Though firmware updates for sd2iec are fewer nowadays, there
> for a while, features were getting added pretty regularly.
*sigh* Less free time... People who want to live on the (very slowly
moving) bleeding edge anyway can try the builds from
http://www.sd2iec.de/nightlies/
> I can see doing STM32 devices in small runs for $15-$30, but it would be
> just that, a small run.
Using one of the discovery boards or starting from the bare chip?
> Jerry, suggest he ask Ingo or I about bootloaders. If it's an sd2iec
> variant, the bootloader is easy to add, and then it would get things off
> his plate.
Based on the picture in his manual I'm guessing that it's a clone of the
configuration called "larsp" by the sd2iec build system.
-ik
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Nigel wrote:
> amateur radio software book for a c64 any good to anybody..
You might want to try it in comp.sys.cbm, that's where the C= 8-bitters
hang out.
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #209729 is a reply to message #48252] |
Mon, 15 April 2013 00:29 |
Jim Brain
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On 4/10/2013 4:11 PM, Ingo Korb wrote:> Jim Brain <brain@jbrain.com> writes:
>
>> Agreed. Though firmware updates for sd2iec are fewer nowadays, there
>> for a while, features were getting added pretty regularly.
>
> *sigh* Less free time... People who want to live on the (very slowly
> moving) bleeding edge anyway can try the builds from
> http://www.sd2iec.de/nightlies/
I'm not complaining. I have had significantly less free time in the
past 18 months to work on firmware as well. An STM32 uIEC/SD redesign
is still sitting here for lack of attention.
>
>> I can see doing STM32 devices in small runs for $15-$30, but it would be
>> just that, a small run.
>
> Using one of the discovery boards or starting from the bare chip?
Starting from bare chip. A PCB would be ~USD$1, and I think the ARM is
$4.00 or so in singles. Assembly and support chips probably adds
another few USD. That's $10.00 right there, and does not include
shipping to the seller, customs fees, etc. I think $15.00 would break
even on a custom board. I put $30 as I don't know what the "rest" of
the design would be (the responder was commenting about how he had
friends who do STM32 designs for $15-$30, as I recall).
Of course, the Discovery board is $15-20, so a custom board needs enough
differentation to make it worthwhile to do a small run. Otherwise, one
could just jumper wire to the discovery board for getting a project done.
Jim
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RETRO Innovations: Contemporary Gear for Classic Systems
www.go4retro.com
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #209744 is a reply to message #209729] |
Wed, 17 April 2013 05:57 |
Chris Baird
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> Otherwise, one could just jumper wire to the discovery board for
> getting a project done.
And for some reason that isn't an option?
(It certainly involves less grief to people who have got themselves in
the red from trying to create a hobbyist custom electronics company.)
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Chris
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #209753 is a reply to message #45310] |
Sat, 20 April 2013 13:31 |
jbones
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On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:22:23 PM UTC-4, Brendan Robert wrote:
> http://www.c64sdcard.com/index.html
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> Has anyone used this yet? Sure looks exciting!
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Are there any functional advantages of the 1564 over the uIEC/SD sold at Retro Innovations? I was set on the uIEC, but now that I see this I'm not so sure. Thanks.
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #209840 is a reply to message #209753] |
Wed, 08 May 2013 10:56 |
Groepaz
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jbones wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:22:23 PM UTC-4, Brendan Robert wrote:
>> http://www.c64sdcard.com/index.html
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>> Has anyone used this yet? Sure looks exciting!
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>> -B
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> Are there any functional advantages of the 1564 over the uIEC/SD sold at
> Retro Innovations? I was set on the uIEC, but now that I see this I'm not
> so sure. Thanks.
no, it is also based on sd2iec, just like uIEC. only that it is using a
smaller microcontroller. i recommend to avoid, unless a nice case is more
important to you than functionality.
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Wenn A für Erfolg steht, gilt die Formel A = X + Y + Z. X ist Arbeit, Y ist
Muse, und Z heißt Mundhalten.
<Albert Einstein>
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #209855 is a reply to message #209840] |
Sun, 12 May 2013 20:53 |
Clocky
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Groepaz wrote:
> jbones wrote:
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>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:22:23 PM UTC-4, Brendan Robert wrote:
>>> http://www.c64sdcard.com/index.html
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>>> Has anyone used this yet? Sure looks exciting!
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>>> -B
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>> Are there any functional advantages of the 1564 over the uIEC/SD sold at
>> Retro Innovations? I was set on the uIEC, but now that I see this I'm not
>> so sure. Thanks.
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> no, it is also based on sd2iec, just like uIEC. only that it is using a
> smaller microcontroller. i recommend to avoid, unless a nice case is more
> important to you than functionality.
>
More a case of whether the added functionality of the uIEC is something
you will ever use but still, not being able to update it yourself is a
major drawback and the deal-breaker for mine.
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| Re: C64 SD "1564" [message #209856 is a reply to message #209855] |
Mon, 13 May 2013 11:54 |
Groepaz
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Clocky wrote:
> Groepaz wrote:
>> jbones wrote:
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>>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:22:23 PM UTC-4, Brendan Robert wrote:
>>>> http://www.c64sdcard.com/index.html
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>>>> Has anyone used this yet? Sure looks exciting!
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>>>> -B
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>>> Are there any functional advantages of the 1564 over the uIEC/SD sold at
>>> Retro Innovations? I was set on the uIEC, but now that I see this I'm
>>> not
>>> so sure. Thanks.
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>> no, it is also based on sd2iec, just like uIEC. only that it is using a
>> smaller microcontroller. i recommend to avoid, unless a nice case is more
>> important to you than functionality.
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> More a case of whether the added functionality of the uIEC is something
> you will ever use but still, not being able to update it yourself is a
> major drawback and the deal-breaker for mine.
its also a case of being able to install future updates at all - because
unseen isnt really supporting the old (small) microcontroller anymore.
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http://www.hitmen-console.org http://magicdisk.untergrund.net
http://www.pokefinder.org http://ftp.pokefinder.org
Most of the VAX instructions are in microcode, but HALT and NO-OP are in
hardware for efficiency.
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