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| Re: The PET, the C64 in the 25 Most Important PCs [message #207793 is a reply to message #207789] |
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Etienne von Wettingfe[1]
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On 2011-02-12, jon <jren57@no-email.org> wrote:
> What a joke, no mention of the Amiga but the IBM PCjr gets a look-in!!
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> The boys at MaximumPC are seriously fu*ked up!!
I agree. Like most people here (I assume) I enjoy to read about old
computers, but some of them I have never heard of.
And indeed, no Amiga? And what about the ZX81 or Spectrum? VIC-20, BBC? Or
small computers like the Sharp handhelds or the Atari Portfolio.
Sure the IBM PC needs to be on the list, but it includes more IBM stuff that
are just evolutions of the original IBM PC and not original products like
the Amiga.
And why is the Apple III listed??? Indeed it was a failure, but nothing more
than that.
It seems they only listed computers of which they could get very nice
pictures of. And looking at them I suddenly get an urge to watch episodes of
Buck Rogers and see if I can spot a few of those computers.
--
Etienne von Wettingfeld
http://nl.linkedin.com/in/etiennewettingfeld
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| Re: The PET, the C64 in the 25 Most Important PCs [message #207795 is a reply to message #207793] |
Sun, 13 February 2011 06:16 |
winston19842005@yahoo
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On Feb 13, 2:51 am, Etienne von Wettingfeld
<etie...@xs4none.nl.invalid> wrote:
> On 2011-02-12, jon <jre...@no-email.org> wrote:
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>> What a joke, no mention of the Amiga but the IBM PCjr gets a look-in!!
>
>> The boys at MaximumPC are seriously fu*ked up!!
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> I agree. Like most people here (I assume) I enjoy to read about old
> computers, but some of them I have never heard of.
>
> And indeed, no Amiga? And what about the ZX81 or Spectrum? VIC-20, BBC? Or
> small computers like the Sharp handhelds or the Atari Portfolio.
>
> Sure the IBM PC needs to be on the list, but it includes more IBM stuff that
> are just evolutions of the original IBM PC and not original products like
> the Amiga.
>
> And why is the Apple III listed??? Indeed it was a failure, but nothing more
> than that.
>
> It seems they only listed computers of which they could get very nice
> pictures of. And looking at them I suddenly get an urge to watch episodes of
> Buck Rogers and see if I can spot a few of those computers.
>
I would, of course, argue for the TI-99/4 - first 16-bit "Home
Computer" available for the masses in 1978. And its successor, the
99/4A, did really well into 1983, sales at the time of 2.8 million
consoles, and had the "lion's share" of the computer market in the
U.S. until the C-64 sales overtook it later that year (or the next).
The PCjr was a piece of crap. It ran stuff slower than my TI, and was
pretty crippled compared to its big brother. Awful entry for Big Blue
at that stage of the game.
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| Re: The PET, the C64 in the 25 Most Important PCs [message #207796 is a reply to message #207795] |
Sun, 13 February 2011 12:34 |
David Murray
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Well, the most recent computer in the entire list was the Macintosh,
which was 1984. The Amiga was launched in 1985, so maybe they just
drew the line at 1984 since it was the beginning of a new era.
The Apple III seemed to be there, I guess because it was an important
computer in that it taught the industry a lesson. In that case, the
Plus/4 could have been placed in there for a similar reason.
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| Re: The PET, the C64 in the 25 Most Important PCs [message #207800 is a reply to message #207795] |
Sun, 13 February 2011 20:46 |
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Originally posted by: JC
On Feb 13, 6:16 am, "winston19842...@yahoo.com"
<winston19842...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2:51 am, Etienne von Wettingfeld
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> <etie...@xs4none.nl.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2011-02-12, jon <jre...@no-email.org> wrote:
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>>> What a joke, no mention of the Amiga but the IBM PCjr gets a look-in!!
>
>>> The boys at MaximumPC are seriously fu*ked up!!
>
>> I agree. Like most people here (I assume) I enjoy to read about old
>> computers, but some of them I have never heard of.
>
>> And indeed, no Amiga? And what about the ZX81 or Spectrum? VIC-20, BBC? Or
>> small computers like the Sharp handhelds or the Atari Portfolio.
>
>> Sure the IBM PC needs to be on the list, but it includes more IBM stuff that
>> are just evolutions of the original IBM PC and not original products like
>> the Amiga.
>
>> And why is the Apple III listed??? Indeed it was a failure, but nothing more
>> than that.
>
>> It seems they only listed computers of which they could get very nice
>> pictures of. And looking at them I suddenly get an urge to watch episodes of
>> Buck Rogers and see if I can spot a few of those computers.
>
> I would, of course, argue for the TI-99/4 - first 16-bit "Home
> Computer" available for the masses in 1978. And its successor, the
> 99/4A, did really well into 1983, sales at the time of 2.8 million
> consoles, and had the "lion's share" of the computer market in the
> U.S. until the C-64 sales overtook it later that year (or the next).
>
> The PCjr was a piece of crap. It ran stuff slower than my TI, and was
> pretty crippled compared to its big brother. Awful entry for Big Blue
> at that stage of the game.
Some TI history sites claim the 99/4a sold its 1 millionth machine in
"early 1983"[1], while the VIC-20 reached 800,000 in 1982[2].
[1] http://www.mainbyte.com/ti99/history/history.html
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_VIC-20
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| Re: The PET, the C64 in the 25 Most Important PCs [message #207801 is a reply to message #207800] |
Mon, 14 February 2011 00:29 |
winston19842005@yahoo
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On Feb 13, 8:46 pm, JC <joe.j.cass...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 13, 6:16 am, "winston19842...@yahoo.com"
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> <winston19842...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 13, 2:51 am, Etienne von Wettingfeld
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>> <etie...@xs4none.nl.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2011-02-12, jon <jre...@no-email.org> wrote:
>
>>>> What a joke, no mention of the Amiga but the IBM PCjr gets a look-in!!
>
>>>> The boys at MaximumPC are seriously fu*ked up!!
>
>>> I agree. Like most people here (I assume) I enjoy to read about old
>>> computers, but some of them I have never heard of.
>
>>> And indeed, no Amiga? And what about the ZX81 or Spectrum? VIC-20, BBC? Or
>>> small computers like the Sharp handhelds or the Atari Portfolio.
>
>>> Sure the IBM PC needs to be on the list, but it includes more IBM stuff that
>>> are just evolutions of the original IBM PC and not original products like
>>> the Amiga.
>
>>> And why is the Apple III listed??? Indeed it was a failure, but nothing more
>>> than that.
>
>>> It seems they only listed computers of which they could get very nice
>>> pictures of. And looking at them I suddenly get an urge to watch episodes of
>>> Buck Rogers and see if I can spot a few of those computers.
>
>> I would, of course, argue for the TI-99/4 - first 16-bit "Home
>> Computer" available for the masses in 1978. And its successor, the
>> 99/4A, did really well into 1983, sales at the time of 2.8 million
>> consoles, and had the "lion's share" of the computer market in the
>> U.S. until the C-64 sales overtook it later that year (or the next).
>
>> The PCjr was a piece of crap. It ran stuff slower than my TI, and was
>> pretty crippled compared to its big brother. Awful entry for Big Blue
>> at that stage of the game.
>
> Some TI history sites claim the 99/4a sold its 1 millionth machine in
> "early 1983"[1], while the VIC-20 reached 800,000 in 1982[2].
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> [1]http://www.mainbyte.com/ti99/history/history.html
> [2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_VIC-20
Best support I could find (at present) was for the end of 1983 (Jan
1984)... and I was off by 0.3 million, according to this source.
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.ti/browse_frm/thread /803f0d539036184d/a01724b71538cea9?lnk=gst&q=ti+sales+fi gures#a01724b71538cea9
or
http://tinyurl.com/45jdw4b
JAN 1984: TI's Ron Wolfson releases figures of 2.5 million TI-99/4A
consoles sold with about 250,000 having expansion systems.
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| Re: The PET, the C64 in the 25 Most Important PCs [message #207805 is a reply to message #207796] |
Mon, 14 February 2011 13:38 |
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Originally posted by: BruceMcF
On Feb 13, 12:34 pm, David Murray <adri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well, the most recent computer in the entire list was the Macintosh,
> which was 1984. The Amiga was launched in 1985, so maybe they just
> drew the line at 1984 since it was the beginning of a new era.
> The Apple III seemed to be there, I guess because it was an important
> computer in that it taught the industry a lesson. In that case, the
> Plus/4 could have been placed in there for a similar reason.
Well, for "teach the industry a lesson", the PC Jr has an argument ~
"everything this attempted to do, don't try to do that anything like
that way".
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