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MST3K in a Can [message #164746] Mon, 18 August 2008 15:17 Go to next message
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Originally posted by: Derek Janssen

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mystery-Science-Theater-300 0-20th-Anniversary-Edition/10353

(Interestng thing is that unlike Warner's old theme fold-out boxes, the
disks are now individually packaged, with "wacky" artwork--

Could this be ShoutFactory's attempt to bridge their Punky-traumatized
gap between boxsets and individual-disk releases, and we may see the
titles re-released separately later?...Or did they just want to exploit
a few more audience-identification points out of that webcomic thing?)

Derek Janssen
ejanss1@verizon.net
Re: MST3K in a Can [message #164748 is a reply to message #164746] Tue, 19 August 2008 07:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Michael

On Aug 18, 3:17 pm, Derek Janssen <ejan...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
> http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mystery-Science-Theater-300 0-20th-An...
>
> (Interestng thing is that unlike Warner's old theme fold-out boxes, the
> disks are now individually packaged, with "wacky" artwork--
>
> Could this be ShoutFactory's attempt to bridge their Punky-traumatized
> gap between boxsets and individual-disk releases, and we may see the
> titles re-released separately later?...Or did they just want to exploit
> a few more audience-identification points out of that webcomic thing?)
>
> Derek Janssen
> ejan...@verizon.net

You know, I kind of like the box covers. Besides, maybe the new box
covers could attract brand new MSTies. Thats how I became a MSTie. I
picked up " The Essentials " box set and said " What the heck is
this?!? " and so began my MSTiehood. Shout!factory could make this
work.
Re: MST3K in a Can [message #164749 is a reply to message #164748] Tue, 19 August 2008 23:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Derek Janssen

Michael wrote:

> On Aug 18, 3:17 pm, Derek Janssen <ejan...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mystery-Science-Theater-300 0-20th-An...
>>
>> (Interestng thing is that unlike Warner's old theme fold-out boxes, the
>> disks are now individually packaged, with "wacky" artwork--
>>
>> Could this be ShoutFactory's attempt to bridge their Punky-traumatized
>> gap between boxsets and individual-disk releases, and we may see the
>> titles re-released separately later?...Or did they just want to exploit
>> a few more audience-identification points out of that webcomic thing?)
>
> You know, I kind of like the box covers. Besides, maybe the new box
> covers could attract brand new MSTies. Thats how I became a MSTie. I
> picked up " The Essentials " box set and said " What the heck is
> this?!? " and so began my MSTiehood. Shout!factory could make this
> work.

Yeah, but not if they're doing it out of old boxset demons, and trying
to edge their way back into old single disks--

After all, they should be thankful that boxsets are pretty much the ONLY
way they're going to get fans to buy "First Spaceship on Venus" or
"Future War"...

Derek Janssen
ejanss1@verizon.net
Re: MST3K in a Can [message #164751 is a reply to message #164748] Tue, 19 August 2008 23:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Bruce Probst

Michael wrote:

> You know, I kind of like the box covers.

You're new here, right? You may not be aware that Derek's opinions
don't reflect anything other than his opinions, and certainly have no
bearing on what loosely might be called "reality", or even "MST3K
reality".

Anything MST3K-related that he is annoyed by or is otherwise opposed
to is probably going to be considered a good thing by most other
fans. You just need to keep that in mind when reading his stuff.

Bruce
Melbourne, Australia
"Shouldn't this be in the ratmm FAQ?"
Re: MST3K in a Can [message #164860 is a reply to message #164746] Wed, 20 August 2008 00:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Derek Janssen <ejanss1@nospam.verizon.net> writes:

> http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mystery-Science-Theater-300 0-20th-Anniversary-Edition/10353

> (Interestng thing is that unlike Warner's old theme fold-out boxes, the
> disks are now individually packaged, with "wacky" artwork--

That is a curious choice. Maybe ShoutFactory got a discount
on slim-size jewel cases. Wasn't their most recent SCTV set done as
a set of slim cases too, as opposed to the cardboard fold-outs from
the previous ones? (I don't think I have other Shout-based DVD sets
so don't know how they usually package things.)


> Could this be ShoutFactory's attempt to bridge their Punky-traumatized
> gap between boxsets and individual-disk releases, and we may see the
> titles re-released separately later?...Or did they just want to exploit
> a few more audience-identification points out of that webcomic thing?)

Have they broken up any box sets into single-volume releases
for other shows? (I don't actually know, except that I did see the
SCTV Christmas Spcials released as a separate purchase.) I'd doubt
they'd suddenly start for this. It'd be easier to trust that fans
will buy the quartet even if they dislike one episode than that they
would buy all four separately out of completeness.

--
Joseph Nebus
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Re: MST3K in a Can [message #164863 is a reply to message #164860] Wed, 20 August 2008 00:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Derek Janssen

Joseph Nebus wrote:
>
>> http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mystery-Science-Theater-300 0-20th-Anniversary-Edition/10353
>
>> (Interestng thing is that unlike Warner's old theme fold-out boxes, the
>> disks are now individually packaged, with "wacky" artwork--
>
> Have they broken up any box sets into single-volume releases
> for other shows? (I don't actually know, except that I did see the
> SCTV Christmas Spcials released as a separate purchase.) I'd doubt
> they'd suddenly start for this.

Actually, that's what started it:
After bearing the outrageous slings, arrows, and red ink of having to
sell ALL FOUR seasons of "Punky Brewster" on season boxset, Shout
engaged in the usual bit of studio denial/buck-passing/peasant-blaming
and claimed that "Fans must not like expensive boxsets"...
So, after going back and trying to release Punky S1 on broken-up
individual volume disks (yes, *and* the Saturday morning cartoon, too,
as a menu bonus), Shout policy is now officially to play it safe and
make all boxsets individual-release friendly, just in case the usual
imaginary "low sales" make them want to duck out the back door.

Hence the worry about MST3K. (Which were hard enough to find on shelves
back when they *were* still randomly-selected one-disks of "Red Zone
Cuba" and "Wild World of Batwoman".)
In fact, seems like it's only the Anniversary tin and memorabilia-stuff
that kept THIS release as a 4-movie boxset, as if they wanted to leave
it open which way they transition in the future.

Derek Janssen (keep the quartets!)
ejanss1@verizon.net
Re: MST3K in a Can [message #164865 is a reply to message #164751] Wed, 20 August 2008 07:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Michael

On Aug 19, 11:19 pm, Bruce Probst <bruce.pro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Michael wrote:
>> You know, I kind of like the box covers.
>
> You're new here, right?  You may not be aware that Derek's opinions
> don't reflect anything other than his opinions, and certainly have no
> bearing on what loosely might be called "reality", or even "MST3K
> reality".
>
> Anything MST3K-related that he is annoyed by or is otherwise opposed
> to is probably going to be considered a good thing by most other
> fans.  You just need to keep that in mind when reading his stuff.
>
> Bruce
> Melbourne, Australia
> "Shouldn't this be in the ratmm FAQ?"

Thanks for the heads up. I'll try to remenber that. And I would buy
future war as a single. I personally like The Sci-Fi episodes and
season ten. I'd buy those if I were to buy a single. But, I do like
Season 4 Joel era episodes.
Re: MST3K in a Can [message #164867 is a reply to message #164751] Wed, 20 August 2008 08:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Bruce Probst" <bruce.probst@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8b4833cf-3db4-46b6-abad-c3e6944d884d@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
> Michael wrote:
>
>> You know, I kind of like the box covers.
>
> You're new here, right? You may not be aware that Derek's opinions
> don't reflect anything other than his opinions, and certainly have no
> bearing on what loosely might be called "reality", or even "MST3K
> reality".
>
> Anything MST3K-related that he is annoyed by or is otherwise opposed
> to is probably going to be considered a good thing by most other
> fans. You just need to keep that in mind when reading his stuff.
>
> Bruce
> Melbourne, Australia
> "Shouldn't this be in the ratmm FAQ?"

I was not aware that anyone's opinions had exceptionally greater weight
than any other MST3K fan's opinions (aside from matters of superior
experience and Sampo being the official "Secondary Voice of MST3K's
Creators").

Passionately opinionated folks are usually great to visit, but not
always a joy to live with.
Re: MST3K in a Can [message #164868 is a reply to message #164860] Wed, 20 August 2008 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Joseph Nebus" <nebusj-@-rpi-.edu> wrote in message
news:nebusj.1219205980@vcmr-86.server.rpi.edu...
> Derek Janssen <ejanss1@nospam.verizon.net> writes:
>
>> http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mystery-Science-Theater-300 0-20th-Anniversary-Edition/10353
>
>> (Interestng thing is that unlike Warner's old theme fold-out boxes, the
>> disks are now individually packaged, with "wacky" artwork--
>
> That is a curious choice. Maybe ShoutFactory got a discount
> on slim-size jewel cases. Wasn't their most recent SCTV set done as
> a set of slim cases too, as opposed to the cardboard fold-outs from
> the previous ones? (I don't think I have other Shout-based DVD sets
> so don't know how they usually package things.)
>
>
>> Could this be ShoutFactory's attempt to bridge their Punky-traumatized
>> gap between boxsets and individual-disk releases, and we may see the
>> titles re-released separately later?...Or did they just want to exploit
>> a few more audience-identification points out of that webcomic thing?)
>
> Have they broken up any box sets into single-volume releases
> for other shows? (I don't actually know, except that I did see the
> SCTV Christmas Spcials released as a separate purchase.) I'd doubt
> they'd suddenly start for this. It'd be easier to trust that fans
> will buy the quartet even if they dislike one episode than that they
> would buy all four separately out of completeness.
>
> --
> Joseph Nebus
> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------

I wish the FUTURAMA DVD's (special individual releases after the
official show cancellation) they are putting now in the paper folded
packaging would go the "cheap dollar store DVD packaging" in that the paper
holders are more prone to scratch the royal hell out of the DVDs.

Either that or put them in one of the cheap soft plastic or paper DVD
holders you sometimes see for volume sales packaging and then glue that to
the paper container. Anything so the DVD I am paying $30 for is not getting
scratched by the pretty (dumb) packaging.
Re: MST3K in a Can [message #164986 is a reply to message #164867] Fri, 22 August 2008 01:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Bruce Probst

On Aug 20, 10:37 pm, "George Johnson" <matri...@charter.net> wrote:

>     I was not aware that anyone's opinions had exceptionally greater weight
> than any other MST3K fan's opinions

Well, it's a common fallacious belief that "all opinions are equal".
The reality is that there are opinions, and then there are informed
opinions. (Alternately you could say that there are opinions, and
then there are useful opinions.)

And IMO, I too would have no problem picking up "Future War" as a
single episode, if that was how it was offered. Of course, I'm hard-
pressed to think of any episode that I would baulk at buying. So
maybe my opinion is not all that useful either. :)

Bruce
Re: MST3K in a Can [message #165105 is a reply to message #164746] Fri, 22 August 2008 17:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Aug 18, 3:17 pm, Derek Janssen <ejan...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
> http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mystery-Science-Theater-300 0-20th-An...
>
> (Interestng thing is that unlike Warner's old theme fold-out boxes, the
> disks are now individually packaged, with "wacky" artwork--

Maybe they were unexpectedly hit by a lawsuit from "MAD", based on
their "Fold-In" technology! I guess they'll just have to walk
carefully now, to avoid something similar from "WACKY PACKAGES"....

> Could this be ShoutFactory's attempt to bridge their Punky-traumatized
> gap between boxsets and individual-disk releases,

It COULD be. I think everyone feels a little traumatized after a
Punky gap....

> and we may see the
> titles re-released separately later?...Or did they just want to exploit
> a few more audience-identification points out of that webcomic thing?)

That may be it. But if one gets too many points out of audience-
identification, the audience might start to feel _exploited_!

-Doug Elrod (dre1@cornell.edu) ;-)
now with bonus Prince Albert!
Re: MST3K in a Can [message #165326 is a reply to message #165105] Mon, 25 August 2008 14:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doug Elrod <dre1@cornell.edu> writes:

> On Aug 18, 3:17=A0pm, Derek Janssen <ejan...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
>> http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mystery-Science-Theater-300 0-20th-An...

>> Could this be ShoutFactory's attempt to bridge their Punky-traumatized
>> gap between boxsets and individual-disk releases,

> It COULD be. I think everyone feels a little traumatized after a
> Punky gap....

You know, the Punky Gap is the only issue I'm really following
in the election this year.

--
Joseph Nebus
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Re: MST3K in a Can [message #165439 is a reply to message #165326] Wed, 27 August 2008 17:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Aug 25, 2:09 pm, nebu...@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) wrote:
>         You know, the Punky Gap is the only issue I'm really following
> in the election this year.

Didn't many of our pioneer forebears embark on the hard journey
through the Punky Gap? They just had to be careful when they
attempted it, or they'd end up wintering in Cannibal Cove!

-Doug Elrod (dre1@cornell.edu)
Based on other episodes I've recently learned about, I wouldn't be
too surprised if they ended up eating Brandon the Wonder Dog, but it
was a Very Special Episode, and so was OK! ;-)
Re: MST3K in a Can [message #165663 is a reply to message #165439] Sun, 31 August 2008 08:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: MST3K in a Can [message #165901 is a reply to message #165663] Mon, 01 September 2008 17:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Aug 31, 8:52 am, "Chris \"Sampo\" Cornell" <msa...@aol.com> wrote:
> In article
> <b588ee94-3582-4fe5-b780-b9b7cf5e3...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>  Doug Elrod <d...@cornell.edu> wrote:
>
>>>         You know, the Punky Gap is the only issue I'm really following
>>> in the election this year.
>
>> Didn't many of our pioneer forebears embark on the hard journey
>> through the Punky Gap?  
>
> A Punky gap? Soleil Moon Fryes vill be bred unt slaughtered!
>
> Sampo (I'm more interested in the first part)

Ten Fryes to each male? Saaaaay...

-Doug Elrod (dre1@cornell.edu)
But I ordered the large fries! :-)
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