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Amiga vs Mac [message #140519] Fri, 09 August 1985 00:26 Go to next message
jxf6805 is currently offline  jxf6805
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I just finished reading the latest info on the Amiga from the Commodore news-
group.  I don't want to start any "debates", but I find it strange that not
a single mention of the Amiga was to be found in the Mac newsgroup.  Are we
failing to acknowledge the competition?
Re: Amiga vs Mac [message #140545 is a reply to message #140519] Mon, 12 August 1985 01:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <8883@ritcv.UUCP> jxf6805@ritcv.UUCP (J Froehlich) writes:
 > I just finished reading the latest info on the Amiga from the Commodore news-
 > group.  I don't want to start any "debates", but I find it strange that not
 > a single mention of the Amiga was to be found in the Mac newsgroup.  Are we
 > failing to acknowledge the competition?


Well, two things:  when I see one of the things, and not just hear or read
about it, then I'll talk about it--maybe;  mainly, though, this is a 
MacIntosh newsgroup...let Atari and Commodore use their own! (-:

Roy

"Me?  I'm a MacBigot...but you would be too, if you'd shelled out the 
 cash I did...!"

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Re: Amiga vs Mac [message #140548 is a reply to message #140519] Mon, 12 August 1985 07:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <26700024@inmet.UUCP>, bhyde@inmet.UUCP writes:
 >  
 >   I for one am very happy not to have any discussion of the
 >   Amiga in this news group...  "The Amiga?  That's the machine
 >   that one ups the MacIntosh right, more memory, more sound, more
 >   color, even has less software than the Mac did when it was introduced."
 >   ben hyde, cambridge

Eh?, you'd better get your facts straight. The Amiga will have 20+ 
packages available upon release - I've seen many of them. How many
did the Mac have? 2...3? All I can remember are MacPaint and MacWrite -
care to refresh my memory as to the other 20?

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Re: Amiga vs Mac [message #140552 is a reply to message #140519] Sat, 10 August 1985 13:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 I for one am very happy not to have any discussion of the
 Amiga in this news group...  "The Amiga?  That's the machine
 that one ups the MacIntosh right, more memory, more sound, more
 color, even has less software than the Mac did when it was introduced."
 ben hyde, cambridge
Re: Amiga vs Mac [message #140559 is a reply to message #140519] Wed, 14 August 1985 18:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <3241@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU> eric@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU (Eric Lavitsky) writes:
 > In article <26700024@inmet.UUCP>, bhyde@inmet.UUCP writes:
 >>  
 >>   color, even has less software than the Mac did when it was introduced."
 >>   ben hyde, cambridge
 > 
 > Eh?, you'd better get your facts straight. The Amiga will have 20+ 
 > packages available upon release - I've seen many of them. How many
 > did the Mac have? 2...3? All I can remember are MacPaint and MacWrite -
 > care to refresh my memory as to the other 20?
 > 

I have to agree with both of them. I saw over 20 packages for the Mac
prior to announcement day.  I saw 3 released within a month of 
announcement day.

There is a long way between packages seen before release and packages people 
will put their name on./

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Re: Amiga vs Mac [message #140569 is a reply to message #140519] Wed, 14 August 1985 16:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Posted: Wed Aug 14 16:33:38 1985
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 >  I just finished reading the latest info on the Amiga from the Commodore news-
 >  group.  I don't want to start any "debates", but I find it strange that not
 >  a single mention of the Amiga was to be found in the Mac newsgroup.  Are we
 >  failing to acknowledge the competition?

Well, I just got my hands on an amiga and I liked it.  I like my Mac too.
Now there are two computers for the best of us.  However, this is a mac
board and this is the place to be to talk about macs.

Anybody got C or Pascal or Modula-2 source to a 68000 dissasembler?  I need
to be able to dissasmble 68000 code sitting in the DATA fork, of all things!

                                             keith



(* This is to notify you that your left hemisphere is at war with your right
hemisphere.  Please do not be unduly alarmed.  You were not using either of
them anyway. *)
Re: Amiga vs Mac [message #140574 is a reply to message #140519] Fri, 16 August 1985 21:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Posted: Fri Aug 16 21:39:37 1985
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In article <3241> eric@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU (Eric Lavitsky) writes:
 > In article <26700024@inmet.UUCP>, bhyde@inmet.UUCP writes:
 >>  
 >>   "The Amiga?  That's the machine that one ups the MacIntosh right
 >>   ben hyde, cambridge
 > 
 > Eh?, you'd better get your facts straight. The Amiga will have 20+ 
 > packages available upon release - I've seen many of them. How many
 > did the Mac have? 2...3? All I can remember are MacPaint and MacWrite -
 > care to refresh my memory as to the other 20?
 > 
 > Eric

This is a bogus comparison. At its official release date, nobody had seen a Mac
except for a few developers. (I think). 

At the Amiga's release, thousands of people will have seen it, touched it, etc.
The "real release" in September is a marketing ploy designed to get the Amiga
all the advance publicity one could want. The fact that Byte had an article
in August indicates (given publishing deadlines and a lack of a "last minute"
air to Byte's reporting) that the machine could just have easily been released
in May or June.

Of course, that would mean that the public would discover bugs galore
in the software, and Commodore would have to promise up a storm about forth-
coming software. 

I'm not saying that this is all a bad thing, this ploy of Commodore's.
In fact it's quite intelligent. I just wish that the public at large (or at 
Usenet in this case) would not fall into the trap of making nonsense 
comparisons. Face it, Apple won this race in February 1984. No matter how you 
slice it, the Mac has a humongous head start, and a huge installed user base.
No nonsense about number-of-software-packages-at-release is going to change
the fact that the Mac has (at least) an order of magnitude more packages now
than either the ST or Amiga.

And no, I don't own a Mac.

Chris Shaw    watmath!watmum!cdshaw  or  cdshaw@watmath
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Re: Amiga vs Mac [message #140579 is a reply to message #140519] Tue, 13 August 1985 01:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Posted: Tue Aug 13 01:26:37 1985
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Is the Amiga actually out of the vaporware phase?
Re: Re: Amiga vs Mac [message #140611 is a reply to message #140552] Thu, 15 August 1985 13:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Posted: Thu Aug 15 13:48:39 1985
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How about a "net.micro.windows" or a "net.micro.BitBlt", for machines with
crufty graphics user interfaces as their main selling point?

There are going to be more and more of them, and they do have a lot in common
(despite the fanatics flames)...
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Re: Amiga vs Mac [message #140634 is a reply to message #140519] Fri, 16 August 1985 23:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think there's a difference between the software supposedly available
for the Amiga and the software that was supposedly available for the
Mac. Before the Mac came out, there were a lot of people saying,
"We're working on such-and-such" or "it'll be available shortly." From
what I've read, a lot of folks have stuff ready for the Amiga NOW, not
just beta test, but waiting to ship as soon as Commodore does. I
suppose some might feel safe in saying that, since they know they have
some time before Amiga ships, but I'll wager that there'll be more
available for the Amiga when it ships then there was for the Mac.

I hope the Amiga is a success, because I keep looking for the machine
that the Mac never was. I was one of the first Mac software
developers, back when you "had to have a Lisa" to do Mac development.
The more I used the Mac, the more I longed for a machine with some kind 
of open bus, and a way to throw away all the icons and menu bars and
other such garbage. (Ok, so you can get rid of the junk if you really
want, but the first problem requires major surgery.) At any rate,
I want to use my machine the way *I* want to use it, not the way
Apple or Commodore or anyone else wants me to. I finally decided that
the Mac was the computer for the rest of them, and obviously it's done
very well without my help, thank you.

Now, back to the Amiga vs. ST business. Does the ST really have an
external bus? I mean like Address/Data and all that good stuff? Or
does it depend entirely upon the DMA channels for this? I know the
Amiga has everything but the kitchen sink coming out the side, and I'd
rather have that than just a DMA connector. Anybody know? Also, is
anybody besides me interested in getting OS9/68K running on the Amiga?
Somebody's bound to have thought of it by now.

Doug Hall
ITT Telecom, Raleigh NC
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Re: Re: Amiga vs Mac [message #144554 is a reply to message #140552] Wed, 28 August 1985 09:48 Go to previous message
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 >  Now, back to the Amiga vs. ST business. Does the ST really have an
 >  external bus? I mean like Address/Data and all that good stuff? Or
 >  does it depend entirely upon the DMA channels for this? I know the
 >  Amiga has everything but the kitchen sink coming out the side, and I'd
 >  rather have that than just a DMA connector. Anybody know? Also, is
 >  anybody besides me interested in getting OS9/68K running on the Amiga?
 >  Somebody's bound to have thought of it by now.
 >  
 >  Doug Hall
 >  ITT Telecom, Raleigh NC
 >  decvax!ittatc!ittral!hall

I'm interested in knowing if anybody has the intention of putting os9 on the
Amiga too (I personally wouldn't mind trying a crack at it myself).  I was
just reading about AMDs new disk controller chip set and started getting
some neat ideas for disk-sharing between several os9 machines.

The chip is the Am9580 hard disk controller.  The name is misleading because
it can actually control a mixture of four hard AND floppy disk drives.
Instructions to the controller are stored in the host's memory in
linked-list control blocks which are DMA'd by the 9580.  The controller can
handle a 32-bit linear address space (but lets face it, how many systems
have 4Gbytes of real memory?) so what if you use the top couple of bits in
the address to select a host? ...

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