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Angular Momentum Cancelation [message #135669] Fri, 18 October 2013 16:21 Go to next message
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Someone asked for an example of angular momentum cancellation.  Isn't there
a helicopter which has two counterrotating, coaxial blades, rather than
a tail rotor?  (Perhaps it was a Popular Science "Coming next year" article
that talked about it, rather than something real).

Burns

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Re: Angular Momentum Cancelation [message #135676 is a reply to message #135669] Fri, 18 October 2013 16:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There is a Soviet helicopter. Its NATO designation is HORMONE (don't ask
me why) which has two counter-rotating sets of blades and no tail rotor.

I do not know of any american helicopters that use this principle.

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Re: Angular Momentum Cancelation [message #135679 is a reply to message #135669] Fri, 18 October 2013 16:21 Go to previous message
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I believe that the Soviet helicopter 'Hind' uses two counter-rotating
sets of blades mounted coaxially, but, unless I'm mistaken, it also has
a tail rotor for controlling yaw. Unlike film spools, however, the
helicopter blades will not change in mass as the turn.
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Re: Angular Momentum Cancelation [message #139096 is a reply to message #135669] Sat, 20 July 1985 20:53 Go to previous message
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In article <15700023@uiucdcsb> dollas@uiucdcsb.Uiuc.ARPA writes:
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>There is a Soviet helicopter. Its NATO designation is HORMONE (don't ask
>me why) which has two counter-rotating sets of blades and no tail rotor.
>
>I do not know of any american helicopters that use this principle.

An American manufacturer -- I think it was Kaman -- used to make some
helicopters that used contrarotating blades that meshed like the blades of
an eggbeater.  The Navy bought some of them.

-- 
Jay Reynolds Freeman (Schlumberger Palo Alto Research)(canonical disclaimer)
Re: Angular Momentum Cancelation [message #139114 is a reply to message #135669] Mon, 22 July 1985 10:15 Go to previous message
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> There is a Soviet helicopter. Its NATO designation is HORMONE (don't ask
> me why) which has two counter-rotating sets of blades and no tail rotor.
> 
> I do not know of any american helicopters that use this principle.
> 
> Apostolos Dollas
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The Boeing/Vertol CH-47 also has counter-rotating rotors, and no tail rotor.


				Dennis Anderson @ Boeing Aerospace
Re: Angular Momentum Cancelation [message #139123 is a reply to message #135669] Wed, 24 July 1985 19:58 Go to previous message
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> There is a Soviet helicopter. Its NATO designation is HORMONE (don't ask
> me why) which has two counter-rotating sets of blades and no tail rotor.
> 
> I do not know of any american helicopters that use this principle.
> 
> Apostolos Dollas
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There was an article in "Sport Aviation" a couple of month ago about
a fellow (American) who built his own helicopter with counter-rotating
blades (and, of course, no tail rotor).  The rotors are on seperate
shafts that formed a narrow V.  The rotors (two blades each) inter-mesh as
they rotate.
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