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Re: Genesis Collection on 360/PS3 [message #129774] Sun, 22 February 2009 19:12 Go to next message
Scott H is currently offline  Scott H
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Kevin Peden wrote:
> I saw this yesterday (when I was picking up SF4 8). WHat all is on it? I'm
> thinking of selling my Genesis, so this might help me over my guilt. 8)

Not only can you not replace a Genesis with any console, but no current
console compilation or emulator even emulates what they offer correctly.
Then there's the little matter of no current console's controller
being adequate to emulate the Genesis in the first place. For the $5
you'll get for your Genesis, the alternatives are a real disappointment.

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Re: Genesis Collection on 360/PS3 [message #129775 is a reply to message #129774] Sun, 01 March 2009 02:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <gnspkt$vva$1@news.motzarella.org>,
Scott H <weaponx013@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Not only can you not replace a Genesis with any console, but no current
> console compilation or emulator even emulates what they offer correctly.

Which ones are emulated incorrectly on Genesis Plus GX for the Wii?
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Re: Genesis Collection on 360/PS3 [message #129809 is a reply to message #129775] Sun, 01 March 2009 13:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken Arromdee wrote:
> In article <gnspkt$vva$1@news.motzarella.org>,
> Scott H <weaponx013@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Not only can you not replace a Genesis with any console, but no current
>> console compilation or emulator even emulates what they offer correctly.
>
> Which ones are emulated incorrectly on Genesis Plus GX for the Wii?

Some of the problems are mentioned in this thread already. I'm
speaking from past experience with compilations (Genesis Collection PS2,
Sega Smash Pack DC, Capcom Classics Collection any). While the original
games were tested for bugs, these compilations are plainly just slapped
together with little to no regard for accuracy. The fact is, even PC
emulation isn't perfect yet, though it has gotten reasonably close for
most games. In short, a compilation disc cannot replace the original
games on the original consoles with any degree of accuracy. The
experience is too different in timing and presentation due to the lack
of quality control.
On the other hand, most folks don't seem to be willing to keep
twelve to twenty game consoles hooked up to their entertainment cabinet,
so a compilation disk seems like a reasonable trade off. I'm just
saying it *is* a trade off.

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Re: Genesis Collection on 360/PS3 [message #129810 is a reply to message #129809] Sun, 01 March 2009 14:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Scott H wrote:
> Ken Arromdee wrote:
>> In article <gnspkt$vva$1@news.motzarella.org>,
>> Scott H <weaponx013@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Not only can you not replace a Genesis with any console, but no
>>> current console compilation or emulator even emulates what they offer
>>> correctly.
>>
>> Which ones are emulated incorrectly on Genesis Plus GX for the Wii?
>
> Some of the problems are mentioned in this thread already. I'm
> speaking from past experience with compilations (Genesis Collection PS2,
> Sega Smash Pack DC, Capcom Classics Collection any). While the original
> games were tested for bugs, these compilations are plainly just slapped
> together with little to no regard for accuracy. The fact is, even PC
> emulation isn't perfect yet, though it has gotten reasonably close for
> most games. In short, a compilation disc cannot replace the original
> games on the original consoles with any degree of accuracy. The
> experience is too different in timing and presentation due to the lack
> of quality control.
> On the other hand, most folks don't seem to be willing to keep
> twelve to twenty game consoles hooked up to their entertainment cabinet,
> so a compilation disk seems like a reasonable trade off. I'm just
> saying it *is* a trade off.
>

True about people unwilling to have a bunch of consoles
hooked up. There's also the problem about not having many of the
carts (or unwilling to pay ebay prices to get them). The Genny
itself is fairly easy to get at a local thrift store, but decent
copies of the games, not so easy.

For the record, I do have most of my consoles hooked up and
ready to play, including a Genny 2 w/Sega CD attached, and I have
some of the games on the current compilation (which I finally got
a couple of days ago). The only regret I have is trading off my
PS2 Genny collection to help get it, since the 360 compilation doesn't
have Sword of Vermillion on it. But other than that and VF2 (which
I didn't care for anyway (Genny version), there were just too many games
on both to justify keeping both.
Re: Genesis Collection on 360/PS3 [message #129811 is a reply to message #129810] Sun, 01 March 2009 15:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Relic wrote:
> Scott H wrote:
>> Some of the problems are mentioned in this thread already. I'm
>> speaking from past experience with compilations (Genesis Collection
>> PS2, Sega Smash Pack DC, Capcom Classics Collection any). While the
>> original games were tested for bugs, these compilations are plainly
>> just slapped together with little to no regard for accuracy. The fact
>> is, even PC emulation isn't perfect yet, though it has gotten
>> reasonably close for most games. In short, a compilation disc cannot
>> replace the original games on the original consoles with any degree of
>> accuracy. The experience is too different in timing and presentation
>> due to the lack of quality control.
>> On the other hand, most folks don't seem to be willing to keep
>> twelve to twenty game consoles hooked up to their entertainment
>> cabinet, so a compilation disk seems like a reasonable trade off. I'm
>> just saying it *is* a trade off.
>>
>
> True about people unwilling to have a bunch of consoles
> hooked up. There's also the problem about not having many of the
> carts (or unwilling to pay ebay prices to get them). The Genny
> itself is fairly easy to get at a local thrift store, but decent
> copies of the games, not so easy.
>
> For the record, I do have most of my consoles hooked up and
> ready to play, including a Genny 2 w/Sega CD attached, and I have
> some of the games on the current compilation (which I finally got
> a couple of days ago). The only regret I have is trading off my
> PS2 Genny collection to help get it, since the 360 compilation doesn't
> have Sword of Vermillion on it. But other than that and VF2 (which
> I didn't care for anyway (Genny version), there were just too many games
> on both to justify keeping both.

Genesis games are dirt easy to pick up, even complete, with any
degree of Internet literacy. If we were talking about the PC-Engine or
SNES it would be a different story, but for whatever reason only a
handful of Genesis titles ever go for over $30. Now, I understand the
reasons to consolidate libraries as much as possible. Most people just
don't care about accuracy, but the fact remains that nothing can replace
the actual game on the actual consoles. On the topic of buying and
keeping multiple compilations, I just don't see the point when Sega
doesn't even bother to maintain their own product quality. I think the
PS2 Genesis collection will be the last time I give money until I'm
reasonably assured of the quality of the release beforehand.

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Re: Genesis Collection on 360/PS3 [message #129812 is a reply to message #129811] Mon, 02 March 2009 20:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Mar 1, 1:05 pm, Scott H <weaponx...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> ...nothing can replace the actual game on the actual consoles.

The main issue is aging hardware. Although I regularly play 16-bit
cartridges, I don't completely trust their battery back-ups. Also, my
Nuby Tech Official Street Fighter Anniversary Edition Arcade Stick
(PS2/XBox) has lasted much longer than any Sega Genesis 6 Button
Arcade Stick I've owned (I'm on my third).

Sean
Re: Genesis Collection on 360/PS3 [message #129813 is a reply to message #129811] Mon, 02 March 2009 22:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Scott H wrote:
> The Relic wrote:
>> Scott H wrote:
>>> Some of the problems are mentioned in this thread already. I'm
>>> speaking from past experience with compilations (Genesis Collection
>>> PS2, Sega Smash Pack DC, Capcom Classics Collection any). While the
>>> original games were tested for bugs, these compilations are plainly
>>> just slapped together with little to no regard for accuracy. The
>>> fact is, even PC emulation isn't perfect yet, though it has gotten
>>> reasonably close for most games. In short, a compilation disc cannot
>>> replace the original games on the original consoles with any degree
>>> of accuracy. The experience is too different in timing and
>>> presentation due to the lack of quality control.
>>> On the other hand, most folks don't seem to be willing to keep
>>> twelve to twenty game consoles hooked up to their entertainment
>>> cabinet, so a compilation disk seems like a reasonable trade off.
>>> I'm just saying it *is* a trade off.
>>>
>>
>> True about people unwilling to have a bunch of consoles
>> hooked up. There's also the problem about not having many of the
>> carts (or unwilling to pay ebay prices to get them). The Genny
>> itself is fairly easy to get at a local thrift store, but decent
>> copies of the games, not so easy.
>>
>> For the record, I do have most of my consoles hooked up and
>> ready to play, including a Genny 2 w/Sega CD attached, and I have
>> some of the games on the current compilation (which I finally got
>> a couple of days ago). The only regret I have is trading off my
>> PS2 Genny collection to help get it, since the 360 compilation doesn't
>> have Sword of Vermillion on it. But other than that and VF2 (which
>> I didn't care for anyway (Genny version), there were just too many games
>> on both to justify keeping both.
>
> Genesis games are dirt easy to pick up, even complete, with any
> degree of Internet literacy. If we were talking about the PC-Engine or
> SNES it would be a different story, but for whatever reason only a
> handful of Genesis titles ever go for over $30. Now, I understand the
> reasons to consolidate libraries as much as possible. Most people just
> don't care about accuracy, but the fact remains that nothing can replace
> the actual game on the actual consoles. On the topic of buying and
> keeping multiple compilations, I just don't see the point when Sega
> doesn't even bother to maintain their own product quality. I think the
> PS2 Genesis collection will be the last time I give money until I'm
> reasonably assured of the quality of the release beforehand.
>

"Internet literacy" being the object here. Many (especially around these
parts) are lucky to even have internet access, let alone know how to
look for these games on-line. That's why they tend to rely on used game
stores, thrift stores and pawn shops to find the games they want. They
typically are not interested in paying very much for old games, they
just want entertained. And even if the game is on E-Bay for 99 cents,
when you figure in the often outrageous postage that is also asked for,
the prospect becomes much pricier.

So if they already have a PS2, then 30 games for 19.99 becomes much
more attractive.
Re: Genesis Collection on 360/PS3 [message #129814 is a reply to message #129812] Tue, 03 March 2009 09:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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math_guy wrote:
> On Mar 1, 1:05 pm, Scott H <weaponx...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> ...nothing can replace the actual game on the actual consoles.
>
> The main issue is aging hardware. Although I regularly play 16-bit
> cartridges, I don't completely trust their battery back-ups. Also, my
> Nuby Tech Official Street Fighter Anniversary Edition Arcade Stick
> (PS2/XBox) has lasted much longer than any Sega Genesis 6 Button
> Arcade Stick I've owned (I'm on my third).
>
> Sean

I seriously wish that Hori had made an excellent Genesis joystick
like they did for the Saturn, or even the 360. With that said, I
haven't had a Sega brand control pad die on me since the early 90s. I
did go through a couple Sega brand 3 button joysticks back in the day
though. And that was after having taken them apart and cleaned them
several times. At any rate, a good joystick can go a long way to
"emulating" the feel of the original hardware. We should all know by
now that Dual Shock and 360 controllers are just not as responsive as
the Sega pads of yore.

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Re: Genesis Collection on 360/PS3 [message #129815 is a reply to message #129813] Tue, 03 March 2009 09:31 Go to previous message
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The Relic wrote:
>
> "Internet literacy" being the object here. Many (especially around these
> parts) are lucky to even have internet access, let alone know how to
> look for these games on-line. That's why they tend to rely on used game
> stores, thrift stores and pawn shops to find the games they want. They
> typically are not interested in paying very much for old games, they
> just want entertained. And even if the game is on E-Bay for 99 cents,
> when you figure in the often outrageous postage that is also asked for,
> the prospect becomes much pricier.

I would replace the Internet with a handful of legitimate swap
shops any day. I've got two places in town, and the likely hood of them
having anything outside of the million seller sports/Sonic titles is
next to nothing.

> So if they already have a PS2, then 30 games for 19.99 becomes much
> more attractive.

I definitely agree. I'm just pointing out that these games are
essentially ports of the original that have only a convincing
resemblance to the original. If people saw them as "the PS2 version",
I'd leave well enough alone, but this thread proves people want them to
be the same thing on their current system and are willing to ignore all
the signs to the contrary.

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