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Re: [Homestead] video of Q-Link Reloaded rollout (2005) [message #39890 is a reply to message #39887] Thu, 28 February 2013 17:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So we're still "leaning towards" the S-Video type then for that purpose of conversion then? Shucks.

Charles
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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 20:46:19 +0000
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AH MAN! BAD ADAPTER!!!!! I might pick up one of these puppies for myself. :) heheheheh

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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:11:37 +0000
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Hum, since SCART was very similar to component as far as display is concerned, I find myself wondering if an adapter could be made to connect a SCART cable to a Component cable. ??

Charles



> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 02:33:06 -0500

> From: subs@mykec.net

> To: homestead@vcsweb.com

> Subject: Re: [Homestead] video of Q-Link Reloaded rollout (2005)

>

> On 02/28/2013 02:10 AM, rick balkins wrote:

>> S-Video is a Y/C type video connection just like the Commodore but uses

>> a mini-DIN connector instead of those A/V connectors. Commodore started

>> implementing Y/C video before there was any standardization. JVC S-Video

>> connector has since became the standard connector for Y/C video.

>>

>> You just take pin 1 on the Commodore DIN to pin 3 of an S-Video mini-DIN

>> connector. Pin 6 not 5 on the DIN side to pin 4 of the S-Video mini-DIN.

>>

>> Commodore video connector is Y/C & Composite ready. Y/C was not

>> standardized and early Y/C monitors/TV like the 1702 monitor were using

>> the RCA connectors (A/V). RCA introduced the 4-pin mini-DIN that has

>> became the industry standard Y/C video connector that is called S-Video.

>> In 1982/83, it was still up in the air and Commodore chose to use the

>> RCA connector method. Whenever, you are using the three RCA connector

>> Commodore video/audio cable, you are basically seeing the Commodore

>> screen in "S-Video".

>>

>> We should be able to make the appropriate cable today with perhaps an

>> S-Video, a stereo-lized Audio connector and perhaps a special-(different

>> color or reversed gender) RCA connector for audio-In line if one wants

>> the audio-in line for anything.

>

> Very cool info and offer. Again, though, I only have VGA, HDMI and

> Component video inputs on the back of my Sansui flatscreen. :(

>

> Myke

>

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Re: [Homestead] video of Q-Link Reloaded rollout (2005) [message #39892 is a reply to message #39787] Thu, 28 February 2013 18:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Wed, February 27, 2013 11:29 pm, Myke C. Subs wrote:

> My monitor accepts VGA, HDMI and Component video for input.


As I mentioned before, there are composite-to-VGA adapters out there
for the 40-column composite signal of the Commodore 128. BIT-C= is
still working on the RGB-to-VGA prototypes for the 80-column digital
signal of the C128.

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Re: [Homestead] video of Q-Link Reloaded rollout (2005) [message #39949 is a reply to message #39892] Thu, 28 February 2013 18:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A few years back I was beta testing this device called a "BI-128?" I think it was. It was manufactured by a company called "Batteries Included," and it gave you the RGB (80 column display) on a 40-column screen IN 64 MODE! Needless to say, it DID WORK, but not perfect by any means (there were pixel crossovers on the underlying images of the typeset causing a discreet "GLOWING" appearance that was NOT noticable to a nearsighted person, but because I had 20/20 WAY WAY back then, I was able to see it's shortcomings). Naturally NOW, I'm BLIND AS A BAT just like all the rest of us OLD GEEZERS OUT THERE!!!! Hehehehe

Charles




> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:03:59 -0500

> From: rbernardo@iglou.com

> To: homestead@vcsweb.com

> Subject: Re: [Homestead] video of Q-Link Reloaded rollout (2005)

>

> On Wed, February 27, 2013 11:29 pm, Myke C. Subs wrote:

>

>> My monitor accepts VGA, HDMI and Component video for input.

>

> As I mentioned before, there are composite-to-VGA adapters out there

> for the 40-column composite signal of the Commodore 128. BIT-C= is

> still working on the RGB-to-VGA prototypes for the 80-column digital

> signal of the C128.

>

> Truly,

> Robert Bernardo

> Fresno Commodore User Group

> http://videocam.net.au/fcug

>

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Re: [Homestead] video of Q-Link Reloaded rollout (2005) [message #39950 is a reply to message #39949] Thu, 28 February 2013 22:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thu, February 28, 2013 3:16 pm, Charles Gutman wrote:

> ...called a "BI-128?" I think it was. It was manufactured by a company

> called "Batteries Included,"...


You must be referring to the B.I.-80. I have two of those.

> ...and it gave you the RGB (80 column display) on a 40-column

> screen IN 64 MODE!


Well, not RGB but an 80-column display from a C64 or C64 mode on a
C128, outputted to a composite screen. It can also be switched back
to 40 columns. See

http://mikenaberezny.com/hardware/c64-128/bi-80-display-adap ter/

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Re: [Homestead] video of Q-Link Reloaded rollout (2005) [message #39951 is a reply to message #39949] Thu, 28 February 2013 22:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thu, February 28, 2013 3:16 pm, Charles Gutman wrote:

> ...called a "BI-128?" I think it was. It was manufactured by a company

> called "Batteries Included,"...


You must be referring to the B.I.-80. I have two of those.

> ...and it gave you the RGB (80 column display) on a 40-column

> screen IN 64 MODE!


Well, not RGB but an 80-column display from a C64 or C64 mode on a
C128, outputted to a composite screen. It can also be switched back
to 40 columns. See

http://mikenaberezny.com/hardware/c64-128/bi-80-display-adap ter/

Truly,
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Re: [Homestead] video of Q-Link Reloaded rollout (2005) [message #39984 is a reply to message #39951] Thu, 28 February 2013 22:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 22:48:49 -0500

> From: rbernardo@iglou.com

> To: homestead@vcsweb.com

> Subject: Re: [Homestead] video of Q-Link Reloaded rollout (2005)

>

> On Thu, February 28, 2013 3:16 pm, Charles Gutman wrote:

>

>> ...called a "BI-128?" I think it was. It was manufactured by a company

>> called "Batteries Included,"...

>

> You must be referring to the B.I.-80. I have two of those.








Yup, that's it alright.






>

>> ...and it gave you the RGB (80 column display) on a 40-column

>> screen IN 64 MODE!

>

> Well, not RGB but an 80-column display from a C64 or C64 mode on a

> C128, outputted to a composite screen. It can also be switched back

> to 40 columns. See








Well I suppose that's what I might have been "trying" to describe , albeit unsuccessfully I may add, about it's features. ;)





Charles




> http://mikenaberezny.com/hardware/c64-128/bi-80-display-adap ter/

>

> Truly,

> Robert Bernardo

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> http://videocam.net.au/fcug

>

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Re: [Homestead] video of Q-Link Reloaded rollout (2005) [message #39985 is a reply to message #39949] Fri, 01 March 2013 00:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 02/28/2013 06:16 PM, Charles Gutman wrote:
> A few years back I was beta testing this device called a "BI-128?" I

> think it was. It was manufactured by a company called "Batteries

> Included," and it gave you the RGB (80 column display) on a 40-column

> screen IN 64 MODE! Needless to say, it DID WORK, but not perfect by any

> means (there were pixel crossovers on the underlying images of the

> typeset causing a discreet "GLOWING" appearance that was NOT noticable

> to a nearsighted person, but because I had 20/20 WAY WAY back then, I

> was able to see it's shortcomings).

> Naturally NOW, I'm BLIND AS A BAT just like all the rest of us OLD

> GEEZERS OUT THERE!!!! Hehehehe


I hear ya. :)

I recall an old PRG named, "80COL," if I remember correctly, which
achieved 80-column text on a 40-column display via software alone.

It was a lot like the 80-column ANSI display rendered by Nick Rossi's
Novaterm software which for me was a Godsend back in the day. You could
change the fg and bg colors in Novaterm though whereas I believe "80COL"
was fixed on displaying dark gray text on a light gray background which
I never liked very much since I always found white-on-dark-blue to be
the easiest on the eyes.

The font was a little odd in certain places but it didn't have any odd
issues with pixel crossovers and glowing, etc..

Myke


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Re: [Homestead] video of Q-Link Reloaded rollout (2005) [message #39986 is a reply to message #39870] Fri, 01 March 2013 00:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 02/28/2013 02:59 AM, rick balkins wrote:
>

> Get yourself one of these:

>

> http://www.svideo.com/svc2ypbpr.html


Interesting. Thanks. First spare $200 I make... :)

I'm like a bull in a china shop with a soldering iron in my hand so I'd
do well to have someone else do that part for me. I'd also like to have
more than 1 original Commodore Y/C-audio cable before I do that.

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Re: [Homestead] video of Q-Link Reloaded rollout (2005) [message #39987 is a reply to message #39950] Fri, 01 March 2013 00:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Basically, BI-80 used the interlace mode... hmmm... software did just that.

Basically a monochrome display generator operating on TV transmission
carrier. The TV frequency bandwidth was large enough to do 80 colo. B&W but
wasn't enough for color video hence the development of RGB. BI-80 used a
6845 CRTC clone known as the 6545.




On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 7:48 PM, <rbernardo@iglou.com> wrote:

> On Thu, February 28, 2013 3:16 pm, Charles Gutman wrote:

>

>> ...called a "BI-128?" I think it was. It was manufactured by a company

>> called "Batteries Included,"...

>

> You must be referring to the B.I.-80. I have two of those.

>

>> ...and it gave you the RGB (80 column display) on a 40-column

>> screen IN 64 MODE!

>

> Well, not RGB but an 80-column display from a C64 or C64 mode on a

> C128, outputted to a composite screen. It can also be switched back

> to 40 columns. See

>

> http://mikenaberezny.com/hardware/c64-128/bi-80-display-adap ter/

>

> Truly,

> Robert Bernardo

> Fresno Commodore User Group

> http://videocam.net.au/fcug

>

>

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Re: [Homestead] video of Q-Link Reloaded rollout (2005) [message #39988 is a reply to message #39986] Fri, 01 March 2013 00:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Myke:

The difference was BI-80 was not interlacing for 80 col. but achieved it
through a different strategy. While, software on the C64 achieved it
through interlacing. A little different method.


On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Myke C. Subs <subs@mykec.net> wrote:

> On 02/28/2013 02:59 AM, rick balkins wrote:

>>

>> Get yourself one of these:

>>

>> http://www.svideo.com/svc2ypbpr.html

>

> Interesting. Thanks. First spare $200 I make... :)

>

> I'm like a bull in a china shop with a soldering iron in my hand so I'd

> do well to have someone else do that part for me. I'd also like to have

> more than 1 original Commodore Y/C-audio cable before I do that.

>

> Myke

>

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Re: [Homestead] video of Q-Link Reloaded rollout (2005) [message #121537 is a reply to message #39476] Mon, 30 September 2013 02:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey Homesteaders and Jim Brain in particular:

It may have taken me 7 months to be able to organize my life to a point
where I could finally make this purchase and make use of the product
when I get it but the day has finally arrived and I am excited! :)

I have just completed placing my order for a ZoomFloppy and cannot wait
to begin archiving my ever-aging Commodore floppy disk library to disk
images which cannot physically deteriorate with age! I have several
boxes full of 5.25" and 3.5" floppies to archive.

Some of my oldest disks contain software I developed in 1988 and 1989
along with my favorite programs at the time which I have not seen run
now in nearly a decade-and-a-half. I have kept my library in cool,
clean conditions all this time just waiting for these days to arrive!

Thanks Jim and all those who continue working so hard to keep the
Commodore platform alive even after all this time!

Myke

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> I've refrained from posting on this topic for fear it'd be seen as
> shameless product advertising, but I offered to distribute Nate Lawson's
> ZoomFloppy device specifically because I believe it is infinitely
> superior to the other options available. Notwithstanding the lack of
> parallel port options on even 10 year old machines at this point,
> Parallel access is a timing sensitive, prone to error endeavor on newer
> OS types, including Linux but especially Windows, and is simply not
> possible on Mac hardware at all.
>
> ZoomFloppy (I'll soon have some in stock without the IEEE connector,
> which brings the cost down to $35.00), suffers none of these issues, and
> is the only X*1541 type option that can nibble disks without a parallel
> cable (when used with a 1571) and the only option for users of PET
> drives (8050, 8250, SFD 1001, etc.)
>
> These is also the XU1541 option available on eBay which offers USB
> operation, but seems to be more expensive and offers fewer features.
>
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Re: [Homestead] video of Q-Link Reloaded rollout (2005) [message #121812 is a reply to message #121537] Mon, 30 September 2013 20:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 9/30/2013 1:57 AM, Myke C. Subs wrote:
> Hey Homesteaders and Jim Brain in particular:
>
> It may have taken me 7 months to be able to organize my life to a point
> where I could finally make this purchase and make use of the product
> when I get it but the day has finally arrived and I am excited! :)
Glad to see people excited about the hobby.

> I have just completed placing my order for a ZoomFloppy and cannot wait
> to begin archiving my ever-aging Commodore floppy disk library to disk
> images which cannot physically deteriorate with age! I have several
> boxes full of 5.25" and 3.5" floppies to archive.
I just got back from ECCC 2013, so bear with as I catch up on orders.
Jim

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> I just got back from ECCC 2013, so bear with as I catch up on orders.
> Jim

Hi Jim,

I had several issues with missing X11 libraries while trying to install
VICE 2.4 - but I have managed to work my way through them and the long
process of compiling it from source is underway as I type.

If you can provide any helpful "quick-start" tips for how to use my
ZoomFloppy with VICE 2.4 - just to verify it works, if nothing more - I
would appreciate it greatly.

Thanks,

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> I just got back from ECCC 2013, so bear with as I catch up on orders.
> Jim

Hi Jim,

My apologies for sending my previous message regarding OpenCBM to the
Homestead mailing list. I didn't do it intentionally. It may be just
as well, though, as there are surely others here who can provide some
insight regarding how to install it under Linux successfully.

As for VICE, I initially had some issues with missing X11 libraries
which v2.4 require. I finally worked my way through those and the very
long process of compiling it all from source is underway as I type.

Meanwhile, any "quick-start" tips-n-tricks for using my ZoomFloppy with
VICE under Linux will be much appreciated - just to be able to confirm
it's working correctly if for no other reason.

Thanks!

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> I just got back from ECCC 2013, so bear with as I catch up on orders.
> Jim

Hi Jim,

I received my ZoomFloppy in the mail a few days ago. So far, installing
the software it requires to work has proven 100% fruitless.

I can find no proper documentation on how to use this device. Based on
what scant info I have found, I believe it can be used under Linux with
either OpenCBM or from within VICE. Well...

For OpenCBM, I downloaded and unzipped "opencbm-0.4.2a-src.zip" in my
Downloads directory. Following the installation instructions at
http://opencbm.trikaliotis.net/opencbm-9.html, I'm unable to get past
the first make command. Here is what I get:

============================================================ ============
1) ~/Downloads$ unzip opencbm-0.4.2a-src.zip

2) ~/Downloads$ cd opencbm-0.4.2a/

3 ~/Downloads/opencbm-0.4.2a$ make -f LINUX/Makefile

make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mykec/Downloads/opencbm-0.4.2a/sys/linux'
ln -s LINUX/Makefile Makefile
make -C /lib/modules/3.5.0-41-generic/build here=`pwd`
CBM4LINUX_KERNEL_FLAGS= SUBDIRS=`pwd` modules
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.5.0-41-generic'
CC [M] /home/mykec/Downloads/opencbm-0.4.2a/sys/linux/cbm_module.o
/home/mykec/Downloads/opencbm-0.4.2a/sys/linux/cbm_module.c: 26:29: fatal
error: linux/autoconf.h: No such file or directory
compilation terminated.
make[3]: ***
[/home/mykec/Downloads/opencbm-0.4.2a/sys/linux/cbm_module.o ] Error 1
make[2]: *** [_module_/home/mykec/Downloads/opencbm-0.4.2a/sys/linux]
Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.5.0-41-generic'
make[1]: *** [cbm.o] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mykec/Downloads/opencbm-0.4.2a/sys/linux'
make: *** [all] Error 1
============================================================ ============

To me, the most interesting line in the midst of all that is:
"fatal error: linux/autoconf.h: No such file or directory
compilation terminated."

After doing a quick search through all files in the directory, there is
no "autoconf.h" file to be found anywhere therein.

So, scratch OpenCBM.

Next up... VICE!

Myke


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Re: ZoomFloppy / OpemCBM Issues [message #127037 is a reply to message #126916] Thu, 10 October 2013 10:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 10/10/2013 01:19 AM, Myke C. Subs wrote:
> My apologies for sending my previous message regarding OpenCBM to the
> Homestead mailing list. I didn't do it intentionally. It may be just
> as well, though, as there are surely others here who can provide some
> insight regarding how to install it under Linux successfully.

Did you send that to the opencbm list? I didn't see it there.

https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opencbm-user

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On 10/10/2013 1:19 AM, Myke C. Subs wrote:
>> I just got back from ECCC 2013, so bear with as I catch up on orders.
>> Jim
> Hi Jim,
>
> My apologies for sending my previous message regarding OpenCBM to the
> Homestead mailing list. I didn't do it intentionally. It may be just
> as well, though, as there are surely others here who can provide some
> insight regarding how to install it under Linux successfully.
>
> As for VICE, I initially had some issues with missing X11 libraries
> which v2.4 require. I finally worked my way through those and the very
> long process of compiling it all from source is underway as I type.
>
> Meanwhile, any "quick-start" tips-n-tricks for using my ZoomFloppy with
> VICE under Linux will be much appreciated - just to be able to confirm
> it's working correctly if for no other reason.
My first suggestion is to join zoomfloppy-users mailing list, as all of
the owners are on there, many of whom use on Linux.

We'll get you going. We've had some weird install installs at times on
Linux and Windows, but we've sorted through them all and got folks up.

Jim


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