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I am watching Star Trek II: TWOK on ABC and, to be frank, I
am seeing scenes that have never been in any other version
I have seen. (First run, cable, and 16mm at school)

Was this movie re-edited for television to include some
extra dialogue? I know that this was done to ST:TMP, but I
had heard of no plans to do it this time.

Specifically I noticed the following:

	1) In the scene in Kirk's apartment, Bones refers
to the glasses as antique rather than just skipping to the
"usually I recommend Retinox V" line.

	2) Checkov's "creatures in our bodies" line seems
to be longer.

	3) There is now a short scene between Kirk and
Spock immediately after Kirk and party beam up from Regulus
where Kirk explains that David is his son.

	4) When Saavik asks "How do we know that he'll
follow us into the nebula?" Spock replies "Remind me to
tell you sometime about the human ego."



Some of these differences were in the novelization as I
recall. I assume therefore that they were just not shown in
the original release.


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Re: Re-editing of ST II for TV (?) [message #117824 is a reply to message #117817] Mon, 23 September 2013 18:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: extra scenes in ST II on ABC the other night -
I noticed it too! (At least I think I did.)  One of the scenes
I specifically saw for the first time (I think) was Scotty describing
the young cadet (who later gets killed) as his sister's son -
I wondered about this when I read the novel (after seeing the film
the first time);  and didn't recall that scene. Also, the scene when
Scotty grieves over his nephew's death.  Did anyone else also think
this was new?

Al Figura@Bellcore

"Happiness is a warm Aardvark"
Re: Re-editing of ST II for TV (?) [message #117836 is a reply to message #117817] Mon, 23 September 2013 18:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 >  Re: extra scenes in ST II on ABC the other night -
 >  I noticed it too! (At least I think I did.)  One of the scenes
 >  I specifically saw for the first time (I think) was Scotty describing
 >  the young cadet (who later gets killed) as his sister's son -
 >  
Gee, you'd think they would have announced the new stuff to increase the
audience!

Also new was the scene during Kirk's inspection where the young
cadet tells Kirk something like "..and if you don't think everything's
shipshape, then you're as blind as an Alberian bat -- SIR!"

(I didn't tape it -- it might not have been 'Alberian'...)

Bill Stoll, ..!whuxlm!wws

"why are you watching it AGAIN?  you've already SEEN it!"
Re: Re-editing of ST II for TV (?) [message #118844 is a reply to message #117817] Tue, 24 September 2013 14:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I noticed the same thing, and thought it was because I hadn't seen TWOK in
about a year, or that I was getting senile.  My dad has it on tape,(off of
cable..) I  think I'll ask him to watch it again, and see if the lines are there


				Dave Spector
				NYU/acf Systems Group
Re: Re-editing of ST II for TV (?) [message #118845 is a reply to message #117817] Tue, 24 September 2013 14:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeahhhhhh.....I had a funny feeling that I hadn't seen some of those scenes
before.  The one that stuck in my mind was right after Kirk & Co. beamed up
from Regulus.  Kirk starts to walk into a turbolift and Spock says "They're
not operational below C deck" (or something similar).  About a minute after that
THEY SHOW KIRK AND SPOCK & CO. CLIMBING UP A LADDER (kinda like the ones they
had in the series).  I think that's where somebody tells Spock that David is
his son.  I don't think I ever saw that scene before.  Probably these minor
editing changes exist in a lot of films they show on TV and we just happened
to notice this time around.

By the way, its a good thing that the turbolifts were working ABOVE C-deck,
since it STILL looks like there's no other way to get to the bridge.  Also,
in Star Trek III, can you believe that you had to push BUTTONS in the
turbolift like an old fashioned ELEVATOR?  Gee whiz!!

  -chris "rocky" rhode  (a new net nut)
     UC San Diego
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Re: Re-editing of ST II for TV (?) [message #118848 is a reply to message #117817] Tue, 24 September 2013 14:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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John writes: 

 >  I am watching Star Trek II: TWOK on ABC and, to be frank, I
 >  am seeing scenes that have never been in any other version
 >  I have seen. (First run, cable, and 16mm at school)
 > 
etc...........

   This is true.  The studios, in an effort to sell more movies to the
networks closer to the original release date, have been adding scenes
left on the cutting room floor back in.  There were also several scenes
involving peter preston (Scotty's nephew) added back in.  The one
exception to the add it back in syndrome of late was Star Wars last
spring. The only reason that it didn't happen there is that George Lucas
retained enough control over sales, etc. to prevent it.
 
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Re: Re-editing of ST II for TV (?) [message #118850 is a reply to message #117817] Tue, 24 September 2013 14:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Summary: 

Within the past several years, just about every Science Fiction Movie
that ABC has telecast has been "Edited for Television" in this
fashion. Superman, ST:TMP are only two of many. I was not surprised
by any of the inclusions. Scenes are added ONLY at palces where there
is dialogue  only (no music or sound effects). Usually, the added scenes
were not redubbed (as the rest of the movie was) therefore the quality
of the voices is much worse, and background noises can be heard. (one
good example of this was in STII in the extra scene in the engine room
where Scotty tells Kirk that Peter Preston is "his sisters youngest".
It sounded like somebody kicked over a pile of Trash Can Lids in the
background.

But I ENJOY the added scenes.... In the case of ST:TMP it turned a
dissapointing movie into an enjoyable experience (with only 12 minutes
of added footage).


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Re: Re-editing of ST II for TV (?) [message #118855 is a reply to message #117817] Tue, 24 September 2013 14:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <1142@pyuxa.UUCP> ajf@pyuxa.UUCP (A Figura) writes:
 > Re: extra scenes in ST II on ABC the other night -
 > I noticed it too! (At least I think I did.)  One of the scenes
 > I specifically saw for the first time (I think) was Scotty describing
 > the young cadet (who later gets killed) as his sister's son -
 > I wondered about this when I read the novel (after seeing the film
 > the first time);  and didn't recall that scene. Also, the scene when
 > Scotty grieves over his nephew's death.  Did anyone else also think
 > this was new?
 > 
	THINK this was new?? I *know* it was new, I watched the movie
twice at the theatre, once before and once after I read the book.
It *never* had the "sister's scene" befor Sunday night.  Also I
just rented and watched the video, it isn't there either, tho the
place where it *should* have been is plain if tou are watching for
it.  I also verified several other additions on Sunday.
The sequence in the bridge while entering the Voltarra Nebula
was longer, having an extra interchange by Lt Saavik and Cpt Spock
in which Spock expresses confidence that Khan will follow them in
because of "hyman ego".  Also after beaming back up from the
Genesis planetoid there was an extra scene on the way to the bridge,
showing the principles climbing up an access tube.
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Re: Re-editing of ST II for TV (?) [message #118856 is a reply to message #117817] Tue, 24 September 2013 14:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 >  Re: extra scenes in ST II on ABC the other night -
 >  I noticed it too! (At least I think I did.)  One of the scenes
 >  I specifically saw for the first time (I think) was Scotty describing
 >  the young cadet (who later gets killed) as his sister's son -
 >  I wondered about this when I read the novel (after seeing the film
 >  the first time);  and didn't recall that scene. Also, the scene when
 >  Scotty grieves over his nephew's death.  Did anyone else also think
 >  this was new?
 >  
 >  Al Figura@Bellcore
 >  
 >  "Happiness is a warm Aardvark"

*** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE ***

It was definitely new.  All told about 5 1/2 minutes were added, and
there are another 7 to 10 minutes still on the cutting room floor.


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Re: Re-editing of ST II for TV (?) [message #118857 is a reply to message #117817] Tue, 24 September 2013 14:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <351@psivax.UUCP> friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley friesen) writes:
 > The sequence in the bridge while entering the Voltarra Nebula
 > was longer, having an extra interchange by Lt Saavik and Cpt Spock
 > in which Spock expresses confidence that Khan will follow them in
 > because of "hyman ego".

surely you mean Mutari Nebula.

Herb Chong...

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Re: Re-editing of ST II for TV (?) [message #118858 is a reply to message #117817] Tue, 24 September 2013 14:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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	I am responding to the new scene's showed on the TV version of
	ST II. My only complant is that I liked the TV version better.
	It is alittle irritatingto know that I could have waited and 
	seen it on TV insted of paying $4.50 to see it in a theater. When
	they say this is the original I truly wish it would be.

						The Mighty Ske

	But Cap'm it'll make it almost impossible for one man to handle.

	You worry about your miracles Scotty I'll worry about mine.
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 >  Gee, you'd think they would have announced the new stuff to increase the
 >  audience!
 >  
 >  Also new was the scene during Kirk's inspection where the young
 >  cadet tells Kirk something like "..and if you don't think everything's
 >  shipshape, then you're as blind as an Alberian bat -- SIR!"
 >  
 >  (I didn't tape it -- it might not have been 'Alberian'...)
 >  
 >  Bill Stoll, ..!whuxlm!wws
 >  
 >  "why are you watching it AGAIN?  you've already SEEN it!"


Did anyone else notice that the discussion with Saavik and Kirk in the
Enterprise elevate was taken at a vastly different angle, and a much
better one for Saavik's eyes I might add...

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	"That which does not kill us, make us stronger."

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In article <196@moncol.UUCP> john@moncol.UUCP (John Ruschmeyer) writes:
 > Was this movie re-edited for television to include some
 > extra dialogue? I know that this was done to ST:TMP, but I
 > had heard of no plans to do it this time.

Also, I noticed the "elevator scene" with Saavik included close
up shots of both the Captain and the "Trainee" as well as some minor
dialogue changes:

"That's a bit of a joke"
instead of "that 's a little joke", etc.

Personally I felt it was much better than the theatrical version.
Why?  Did they have to rush that much with the original?
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 >  The sequence in the bridge while entering the Voltarra Nebula
 >  was longer, having an extra interchange by Lt Saavik and Cpt Spock
 >  in which Spock expresses confidence that Khan will follow them in
 >  because of "hyman ego".
 >  
Are you insinuating that Khan was transsexual?

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Did anyone notice any DIFFERENCES (as opposed to additions)
in the Network version?  I've seen STII at least 7 times, and
I swear the scene with Kirk and Saavik in the elevator ("Did
you change your hair..." or something like that) was slightly
different, although the dialogue was the same.

			Scott J. Berry
			...!homxb!disc
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 >  Did anyone notice any DIFFERENCES (as opposed to additions)
 >  in the Network version?  I've seen STII at least 7 times, and
 >  I swear the scene with Kirk and Saavik in the elevator ("Did
 >  you change your hair..." or something like that) was slightly
 >  different, although the dialogue was the same.
 >  
 >  			Scott J. Berry
 >  			...!homxb!disc

I agree.  In the theatre I remember Saavik stopping the elevator
after asking Kirk if she could ask him a question.  The end of
the scene had McCoy exclaim, "Who's been holding up the damn
elevator!"  On tv, Saavik does not stop the elevator but McCoy's
line remained intact which made it seem out of place.

					sparrow
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 >  In article <1142@pyuxa.UUCP> ajf@pyuxa.UUCP (A Figura) writes:
 >> Re: extra scenes in ST II on ABC the other night -
 >> I noticed it too! (At least I think I did.)  One of the scenes
 >> I specifically saw for the first time (I think) was Scotty describing
 >> the young cadet (who later gets killed) as his sister's son -
 >> I wondered about this when I read the novel (after seeing the film
 >> the first time);  and didn't recall that scene. Also, the scene when
 >> Scotty grieves over his nephew's death.  Did anyone else also think
 >> this was new?
 >> 
 >  	THINK this was new?? I *know* it was new, I watched the movie
 >  twice at the theatre, once before and once after I read the book.
 >  It *never* had the "sister's scene" befor Sunday night.  
 >  
 >  				Sarima (Stanley Friesen)
 >  
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	I don't know what kind of weird drugs YOU two were on 
	but that was one scene I remember as clearly as I remember
	JAMES T. KIRK'S name. But then again you probably don't 
	remember Kirk's 1st science officer's name!

	YES, YES, YES  the scene WAS in the movie!!!


					NOMAD
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 >>> I specifically saw for the first time (I think) was Scotty describing
 >>> the young cadet (who later gets killed) as his sister's son -
 >>> Scotty grieves over his nephew's death. 

 >  	I don't know what kind of weird drugs YOU two were on 
 >  	but that was one scene I remember as clearly as I remember
 >  	JAMES T. KIRK'S name. But then again you probably don't 
 >  	remember Kirk's 1st science officer's name!
 >  
 >  	YES, YES, YES  the scene WAS in the movie!!!
 >  
 >  
 >  					NOMAD

	I don't know what kind of drugs you are on because
	you are wrong.  That scene was only in the edited version 
	for television.  I can honestly say this because
	I must of seen the movie at least 70 times.  I used to
	work in a movie theatre.
	
					K.C. Mann
					
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 >>  In article <1142@pyuxa.UUCP> ajf@pyuxa.UUCP (A Figura) writes:
 >>> I noticed it too! (At least I think I did.)  One of the scenes
 >>> I specifically saw for the first time (I think) was Scotty describing
 >>> the young cadet (who later gets killed) as his sister's son -
 >>> I wondered about this when I read the novel (after seeing the film
 >>> the first time);  and didn't recall that scene. Also, the scene when
 >>> Scotty grieves over his nephew's death.  Did anyone else also think
 >>> this was new?
 >>> 
 >>  	THINK this was new?? I *know* it was new, I watched the movie
 >>  twice at the theatre, once before and once after I read the book.
 >  
 >  	I don't know what kind of weird drugs YOU two were on 
 >  	but that was one scene I remember as clearly as I remember
 >  	JAMES T. KIRK'S name. But then again you probably don't 
 >  	remember Kirk's 1st science officer's name!
 >  
 >  	YES, YES, YES  the scene WAS in the movie!!!

BOYS BOYS!  Let's behave now.  I saw the theatre version of the movie 4
times, (read the book after th first time) saw it on video tape once, and
had it confirmed with several friends who saw it more times than I did that
references to Peter being Scotty's nephew were not in the movie -- at least
not the ones I saw.

May I suggest that the person who insists that it was (I'll go under the
assumption HE wasn't drugs) might have been fortunate to go to a movie
theatre that showed a different cutting?

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Re: Re: Re-editing of ST II for TV (?) [message #120046 is a reply to message #120030] Sun, 17 March 1985 21:59 Go to previous message
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Originally posted by: barry@mit-eddie.UUCP (Mikki Barry)
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Posted: Sun Mar 17 21:59:02 1985
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The scene in question was NOT in the movie.  The movie was EXACTLY the
same as the videotape (saw the movie 25+ times and own the videotape).

After running the videotape back and forth to check for said scene, I can
tell you categorically that it just ain't there.

In fact, Doohan himself, when asked why he carried the boy onto the bridge
after Khan's first attack, he said something to the effect of:

Yes, it seemed stupid, and out of character for Scotty to do something like 
that.  It only seemed that way because the scene explaining that the boy was
his nephew was CUT FROM THE MOVIE!
Re: Re: Re-editing of ST II for TV (?) [message #120047 is a reply to message #120030] Sat, 16 March 1985 23:42 Go to previous message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: ck@ima.UUCP
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Posted: Sat Mar 16 23:42:32 1985
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That scene definitely WAS in the movie.  I remember because the
nephew is played by Ike Eisenman, who career I have been following
with interest for a number of years.  So I paid particular
attention to those scenes with him, and, though he did not say
the line about the captain being blind in the original movie,
he was indeed introduced as the sister's son, Scotty did say
that he had kept to his post when the other cadets ran, and he
did have that weakly spoken last line.

ck.
Re: Re-editing of ST II for TV (?) [message #120059 is a reply to message #117817] Mon, 18 March 1985 14:04 Go to previous message
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Posted: Mon Mar 18 14:04:08 1985
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Summary: 

 >>  	THINK this was new?? I *know* it was new, I watched the movie
 >>  twice at the theatre, once before and once after I read the book.
 >>  It *never* had the "sister's scene" befor Sunday night.  
 >>  
 >>  				Sarima (Stanley Friesen)
 >>  
 >>  {trwrb|allegra|cbosgd|hplabs|ihnp4|aero!uscvax!akgua}!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen
 >>  or {ttdica|quad1|bellcore|scgvaxd}!psivax!friesen
 > 
 > 
 > 	I don't know what kind of weird drugs YOU two were on 
 > 	but that was one scene I remember as clearly as I remember
 > 	JAMES T. KIRK'S name. But then again you probably don't 
 > 	remember Kirk's 1st science officer's name!
 > 
 > 	YES, YES, YES  the scene WAS in the movie!!!
 > 
 > 
 > 					NOMAD

	In the movie?!?! I rented the movie from my local video
store three days after the TV showing *specifically* to check which
scenes were added and which were original. The "sister's son" scene
was *not* in the video, tho the place where it was cut out was plain
as day if you watch carefully. The scene *was* in the *book*.
perhaps you are thinking of the scene in the "landing bay" when
Admiral Kirk boards the Enterprise? The nephew scene is in
Engineering during Kirk's inspection thereof. This scene, in the
original release, ends as Kirk approaches the nephews post(you can
see him on the edge of the screen), and cuts dirtectly to Kirk
climbing the ladder and saying he is "delaying" the rest of the
inspection.
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or {ttdica|quad1|bellcore|scgvaxd}!psivax!friesen
Re: Re: Re-editing of ST II for TV (?) [message #120070 is a reply to message #120030] Thu, 21 March 1985 21:06 Go to previous message
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Posted: Thu Mar 21 21:06:13 1985
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 >>>  	THINK this was new?? I *know* it was new, I watched the movie
 >>>  twice at the theatre, once before and once after I read the book.
 >>>  It *never* had the "sister's scene" befor Sunday night.  
 >>>  
 >> 
 >> 	I don't know what kind of weird drugs YOU two were on 
 >> 	but that was one scene I remember as clearly as I remember
 >> 	JAMES T. KIRK'S name. But then again you probably don't 
 >> 	remember Kirk's 1st science officer's name!
 >> 
 >> 	YES, YES, YES  the scene WAS in the movie!!!
 >> 

	Just to clarify some of the misunderstandings of the
TV version and the so called 'original' version differences.

Some of the people here say they saw the scenes in the movie, while
others say (and prove) they didnt.

Most movies have different releases, some earlier versions of movies in
theaters may be different than another version playing at the same time
somewhere else.  This is because of the editors/producers changing 
scenes (adding, ...) AFTER the initial release of the movie.  So, while
some people did not see a particular scene in a movie; it could have been
in a later/earlier version playing somewhere else at the same time.
(i dont know if this is true in STII, but it is for some other movies).



-- 
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Re: Re: Re-editing of ST II for TV (?) [message #120089 is a reply to message #120030] Thu, 21 March 1985 15:42 Go to previous message
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Originally posted by: overlord@nmtvax.UUCP
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Posted: Thu Mar 21 15:42:28 1985
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In article <> barry@mit-eddie.UUCP (Mikki Barry) writes:
 > The scene in question was NOT in the movie.  The movie was EXACTLY the
 > same as the videotape (saw the movie 25+ times and own the videotape).
 > 
 > After running the videotape back and forth to check for said scene, I can
 > tell you categorically that it just ain't there.
 > 
 > In fact, Doohan himself, when asked why he carried the boy onto the bridge
 > after Khan's first attack, he said something to the effect of:
 > 
 > Yes, it seemed stupid, and out of character for Scotty to do something like 
 > that.  It only seemed that way because the scene explaining that the boy was
 > his nephew was CUT FROM THE MOVIE!


     I have heard many of my friends argue this point.  I personally did
NOT see the scene in the movie, however, most of the people that I asked
that said they DID see this scene, saw the movie AFTER I had.  This 
brings up a question:

     Is it possible that there was a later release of the movie with a
     few of the scenes reinserted?


                                        Alan Kerr
                                        In the exact geographic
                                        center of NOWHERE
Re: Re: Re-editing of ST II for TV (?) [message #128515 is a reply to message #120030] Tue, 26 March 1985 15:18 Go to previous message
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Posted: Tue Mar 26 15:18:57 1985
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 >  In article <> barry@mit-eddie.UUCP (Mikki Barry) writes:
 >> The scene in question was NOT in the movie.  The movie was EXACTLY the
 >> same as the videotape (saw the movie 25+ times and own the videotape).
 >> 
 >> After running the videotape back and forth to check for said scene, I can
 >> tell you categorically that it just ain't there.
 >> 
 >> In fact, Doohan himself, when asked why he carried the boy onto the bridge
 >> after Khan's first attack, he said something to the effect of:
 >> 
 >> Yes, it seemed stupid, and out of character for Scotty to do something like 
 >> that.  It only seemed that way because the scene explaining that the boy was
 >> his nephew was CUT FROM THE MOVIE!
 >  
 >  
 >       I have heard many of my friends argue this point.  I personally did
 >  NOT see the scene in the movie, however, most of the people that I asked
 >  that said they DID see this scene, saw the movie AFTER I had.  This 
 >  brings up a question:
 >  
 >       Is it possible that there was a later release of the movie with a
 >       few of the scenes reinserted?
 >  
 >  
 >                                          Alan Kerr
 >                                          In the exact geographic
 >                                          center of NOWHERE

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While watching the TV version of STII, I noticed differences right away.
In the issue of Scotty's nephew,  When STII came out in the theatres
there was a lot of stuff on net about how in the book of STWOK mentioned 
that Preston was Scotty's nephew and it was not in the movie.  The TV version
had that -- remember.

Prior to watching STII on the network I rented STIII
so I got a double dose of ST, (it was great) and I saw STII 5 or 6 times.
There were a lot of different scenes on TV.  I do not know if there were
different theatre versions (I doubt it).  I think they just wanted to make it
different and interesting.  It may be a way of getting people to see it 
again - perhaps a summer rerun of the TV version- who knows.
-- 
"Your a legend in your own Mind."

				John T. Blumenstein
				ihlpg!eagle
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