| Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1132] |
Wed, 22 February 2012 18:39  |
Evan Koblentz
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Hi folks. Commodore engineer Bil Herd has agreed to teach the C= 8-bit
class on maintenance/repair topics at the Vintage Computer Festival
East 8.0. (He's already signed on to give a history lecture there, as
we announced in this group a while ago: http://bit.ly/wFQKeA.)
Learning Commodore repair from Bil Herd? It's like learning Model T
repair from Henry Ford! Or something like that .... anyway it will be
awesome.
VCF East 8.0 info is frequently updated at http://www.vintage.org/2012/east/
and http://www.facebook.com/vcfeast8.
- Evan K. / VCF East producer
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1134 is a reply to message #1132] |
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Evan Koblentz wrote:
> Hi folks. Commodore engineer Bil Herd has agreed to teach the C= 8-bit
> class on maintenance/repair topics at the Vintage Computer Festival
> East 8.0. (He's already signed on to give a history lecture there, as
> we announced in this group a while ago: http://bit.ly/wFQKeA.)
>
> Learning Commodore repair from Bil Herd? It's like learning Model T
> repair from Henry Ford! Or something like that .... anyway it will be
> awesome.
>
Is someone going to capture and upload his repair class somewhere? I for one
would like to see it!
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1135 is a reply to message #1132] |
Thu, 23 February 2012 16:46 |
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:38:22 +0800, Clocky wrote:
> Evan Koblentz wrote:
>> Hi folks. Commodore engineer Bil Herd has agreed to teach the C= 8-bit
>> class on maintenance/repair topics at the Vintage Computer Festival
>> East 8.0. (He's already signed on to give a history lecture there, as
>> we announced in this group a while ago: http://bit.ly/wFQKeA.)
>>
>> Learning Commodore repair from Bil Herd? It's like learning Model T
>> repair from Henry Ford! Or something like that .... anyway it will be
>> awesome.
>>
>>
> Is someone going to capture and upload his repair class somewhere? I for
> one would like to see it!
That would be great. I think if someone would record the session and
upload it to one of the commodore newsgroups on usenet that would really
be the thing.
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1136 is a reply to message #1132] |
Thu, 23 February 2012 20:44 |
Evan Koblentz
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On Feb 23, 4:46 pm, void wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:38:22 +0800, Clocky wrote:
> > Evan Koblentz wrote:
> >> Hi folks. Commodore engineer Bil Herd has agreed to teach the C= 8-bit
> >> class on maintenance/repair topics at the Vintage Computer Festival
> >> East 8.0. (He's already signed on to give a history lecture there, as
> >> we announced in this group a while ago:http://bit.ly/wFQKeA.)
>
> >> Learning Commodore repair from Bil Herd? It's like learning Model T
> >> repair from Henry Ford! Or something like that .... anyway it will be
> >> awesome.
>
> > Is someone going to capture and upload his repair class somewhere? I for
> > one would like to see it!
>
> That would be great. I think if someone would record the session and
> upload it to one of the commodore newsgroups on usenet that would really
> be the thing.
Somebody might record his history talk, but not the repair clinic.
Thus, people should attend in person.
VCF East is the primary annual fundraiser for our club/museum.
Exclusive workshops like this one are a big incentive to attend and
buy a ticket. :)_
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1137 is a reply to message #1136] |
Fri, 24 February 2012 02:44 |
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On 24.2.2012 2:44, Evan Koblentz wrote:
> VCF East is the primary annual fundraiser for our club/museum.
> Exclusive workshops like this one are a big incentive to attend and
> buy a ticket. :)_
For some of us from around the globe, chances of attending VCF is about
0.01%. Our only chance to see something like this is if someone uploads
this online.
Another option is to produce a DVD about VCF which would include these
lectures (and some good ones from previous years if video materials
exist), then it could be sold to global audience. A poll could be setup
to let potential buyers choose what would be included on a DVD
Just sharing some ideas...
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1138 is a reply to message #1136] |
Fri, 24 February 2012 08:10 |
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Evan Koblentz wrote:
> On Feb 23, 4:46 pm, void wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:38:22 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>> Evan Koblentz wrote:
>>>> Hi folks. Commodore engineer Bil Herd has agreed to teach the C=
>>>> 8-bit class on maintenance/repair topics at the Vintage Computer
>>>> Festival East 8.0. (He's already signed on to give a history
>>>> lecture there, as we announced in this group a while
>>>> ago:http://bit.ly/wFQKeA.)
>>
>>>> Learning Commodore repair from Bil Herd? It's like learning Model T
>>>> repair from Henry Ford! Or something like that .... anyway it will
>>>> be awesome.
>>
>>> Is someone going to capture and upload his repair class somewhere?
>>> I for one would like to see it!
>>
>> That would be great. I think if someone would record the session and
>> upload it to one of the commodore newsgroups on usenet that would
>> really be the thing.
>
> Somebody might record his history talk, but not the repair clinic.
> Thus, people should attend in person.
>
Which is likely to be impractical for most people.
> VCF East is the primary annual fundraiser for our club/museum.
> Exclusive workshops like this one are a big incentive to attend and
> buy a ticket. :)_
It's not great enough of an incentive to attend considering I'm in
Australia.
For most of us seeing the video is the only practical way of ever seeing it.
A video after the event won't discourage those who would want to attend in
person anyway, IMO... and it could be sold as a further fundraiser if you
were that way inclined, couldn't it?
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1139 is a reply to message #1136] |
Fri, 24 February 2012 09:58 |
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Evan Koblentz wrote on Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:44:52 -0800 (PST):
> VCF East is the primary annual fundraiser for our club/museum.
> Exclusive workshops like this one are a big incentive to attend and
> buy a ticket.
Selling a DVD of the talk would be a good opportunity for additional
revenue. Most people who are interested probably couldn't make it,
but we could pay for a DVD...
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1140 is a reply to message #1136] |
Fri, 24 February 2012 11:13 |
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> Somebody might record his history talk, but not the
> repair clinic.
I would gladly pay for a copy of this recording on DVD.
> Thus, people should attend in person.
Although I am within driving distance, being I have no
vehicle makes it nearly impossible to attend in person.
So, I agree with the others that a DVD copy of the event
would be a great way to increase your fund-raising.
Bill
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1161 is a reply to message #1132] |
Fri, 24 February 2012 20:36 |
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> Although I am within driving distance, being I have no vehicle makes it nearly impossible to attend in person. So, I agree with the others that a DVD copy of the event would be a great way to increase your fund-raising.
> Bill
Bill, we have people coming from many states around. Email me and I'll
see if I can get you a ride with someone. (evan-at-snarc-dot-net)
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1162 is a reply to message #1161] |
Sat, 25 February 2012 00:42 |
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On Friday, February 24, 2012 8:36:50 PM UTC-5, Evan Koblentz wrote:
> > Although I am within driving distance, being I have no vehicle makes it nearly impossible to attend in person. So, I agree with the others that a DVD copy of the event would be a great way to increase your fund-raising.
> > Bill
>
> Bill, we have people coming from many states around. Email me and I'll
> see if I can get you a ride with someone. (evan-at-snarc-dot-net)
Evan,
Take the advice of the community. As a person that isn't really interested in the topic at hand, I can say this with a clear conscience... you are being stupid...
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1163 is a reply to message #1136] |
Sat, 25 February 2012 00:58 |
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Evan Koblentz wrote:
> Somebody might record his history talk, but not the repair clinic.
> Thus, people should attend in person.
lol?
not recording it sounds like the most stupid idea since freedom fries.
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1164 is a reply to message #1162] |
Sat, 25 February 2012 02:19 |
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wrote in message news:11483171.
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> On Friday, February 24, 2012 8:36:50 PM UTC-5, Evan Koblentz wrote:
>> > Although I am within driving distance, being I have no vehicle
>> > makes it nearly impossible to attend in person. So, I agree with
>> > the others that a DVD copy of the event would be a great way to
>> > increase your fund-raising.
>> > Bill
>>
>> Bill, we have people coming from many states around. Email me and
>> I'll see if I can get you a ride with someone. (evan-at-snarc-dot-net)
>
> Evan,
>
> Take the advice of the community. As a person that isn't really
> interested in the topic at hand, I can say this with a clear
> conscience... you are being stupid...
I wouldn't say stupid, per se, but it ain't smart, that's for sure...
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1165 is a reply to message #1163] |
Sat, 25 February 2012 02:45 |
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On Saturday, February 25, 2012 7:58:22 AM UTC+2, Groepaz wrote:
> Evan Koblentz wrote:
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> > Somebody might record his history talk, but not the repair clinic.
> > Thus, people should attend in person.
>
> lol?
>
> not recording it sounds like the most stupid idea since freedom fries.
>
As a someone living is god forsaken Finland I have always envied the retro status in bigger countries like USA or Germany. You have plenty of stuff moving around and much bigger and active community with nice meetings and all.
I would like to see the repair course although I am not a professional when handling a soldering iron. I can live without seeing it, but I consider not recording it as a bad move against the diminishing hobby community.
One could ask Bill Herd what he thinks about the availability of his course. Do you pay him for those courses (when it is of course reasonable to try to cover up the expenses)? Does he want to keep his presentations only for limited number of people?
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1166 is a reply to message #1165] |
Sat, 25 February 2012 06:11 |
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Rami wrote:
> On Saturday, February 25, 2012 7:58:22 AM UTC+2, Groepaz wrote:
>> Evan Koblentz wrote:
>>
>>> Somebody might record his history talk, but not the repair clinic.
>>> Thus, people should attend in person.
>>
>> lol?
>>
>> not recording it sounds like the most stupid idea since freedom
>> fries.
>>
>
> As a someone living is god forsaken Finland I have always envied the
> retro status in bigger countries like USA or Germany. You have plenty
> of stuff moving around and much bigger and active community with nice
> meetings and all.
>
> I would like to see the repair course although I am not a
> professional when handling a soldering iron. I can live without
> seeing it, but I consider not recording it as a bad move against the
> diminishing hobby community.
>
> One could ask Bill Herd what he thinks about the availability of his
> course. Do you pay him for those courses (when it is of course
> reasonable to try to cover up the expenses)? Does he want to keep his
> presentations only for limited number of people?
I don't want to speak for Bil, but I get the impression that he likes to
share information with as many people as possible.
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1167 is a reply to message #1132] |
Sat, 25 February 2012 15:30 |
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> not recording it sounds like the most stupid idea since freedom fries.
We might have an official recording later on. What we're avoiding is
having people record it by themselves and then it's online for free
the next day (although we did allow this for some of the history
talks, such as Robert Bernardo's video of our 2007 Chuck Peddle
lecture.)
We're all just hobbyists. But please understand that we're also
running a club/museum, which requires money. Our club does not even
charge any dues -- that's how much we appreciate the members. So, VCF
East is our primary annual fundraiser. We have to copy its value very
high, so people decide to make the trip, so we can exist.
By the way, we've had visitors from Canada, the U.K., Germany,
Switzerland, Italy, and even New Zealand. And of course people have
come from all over the U.S., such as Oregon, Washington state,
California, Texas, Illinois, Ohio, North Carolina, all over the
northeast, etc.
So I have to laugh when people sometimes tell me, "I live two hours
away. It's too far."
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1168 is a reply to message #1167] |
Sat, 25 February 2012 18:12 |
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Evan Koblentz wrote:
>> not recording it sounds like the most stupid idea since freedom
>> fries.
>
> We might have an official recording later on. What we're avoiding is
> having people record it by themselves and then it's online for free
> the next day (although we did allow this for some of the history
> talks, such as Robert Bernardo's video of our 2007 Chuck Peddle
> lecture.)
>
> We're all just hobbyists. But please understand that we're also
> running a club/museum, which requires money. Our club does not even
> charge any dues -- that's how much we appreciate the members. So, VCF
> East is our primary annual fundraiser. We have to copy its value very
> high, so people decide to make the trip, so we can exist.
>
> By the way, we've had visitors from Canada, the U.K., Germany,
> Switzerland, Italy, and even New Zealand. And of course people have
> come from all over the U.S., such as Oregon, Washington state,
> California, Texas, Illinois, Ohio, North Carolina, all over the
> northeast, etc.
>
And many more, including myself, may never be able to attend.
> So I have to laugh when people sometimes tell me, "I live two hours
> away. It's too far."
For some people, two hours away is too far - if you consider they may have
disabilities , dependancies or dependants.
Your club might benefit from a more sensitive and realistic PR person to
handle the promotion of events.
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1169 is a reply to message #1168] |
Sat, 25 February 2012 21:41 |
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"Clocky" wrote in message news:4f496abb$0$11118 $c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
> Evan Koblentz wrote:
>>> not recording it sounds like the most stupid idea since freedom
>>> fries.
>>
>> We might have an official recording later on. What we're avoiding
>> is having people record it by themselves and then it's online for
>> free the next day (although we did allow this for some of the history
>> talks, such as Robert Bernardo's video of our 2007 Chuck Peddle
>> lecture.)
>>
>> We're all just hobbyists. But please understand that we're also
>> running a club/museum, which requires money. Our club does not even
>> charge any dues -- that's how much we appreciate the members. So, VCF
>> East is our primary annual fundraiser. We have to copy its value very
>> high, so people decide to make the trip, so we can exist.
>>
>> By the way, we've had visitors from Canada, the U.K., Germany,
>> Switzerland, Italy, and even New Zealand. And of course people
>> have come from all over the U.S., such as Oregon, Washington state,
>> California, Texas, Illinois, Ohio, North Carolina, all over the
>> northeast, etc.
>
> And many more, including myself, may never be able to attend.
I am in that group of 'many more' that may never be able to attend.
>> So I have to laugh when people sometimes tell me, "I live two
>> hours away. It's too far."
>
> For some people, two hours away is too far - if you consider
> they may have disabilities , dependancies or dependants.
Although I use my lack of personal transportation as the excuse
for not being able to attend, I have other, more serious reasons.
I am 'Agoraphobic', and have only left the house twice in the
past year for doctor's appointments, and to mail packages.
Now that I can have even international packages picked up at
the door, I am not even leaving the house for that anymore.
> Your club might benefit from a more sensitive and realistic
> PR person to handle the promotion of events.
Agreed.
Bill
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1170 is a reply to message #1132] |
Sat, 25 February 2012 21:38 |
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> So I have to laugh when people sometimes tell me, "I live two hours
> away. It's too far."
I'll let people know when a torrent appears on TPB...
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1192 is a reply to message #1132] |
Sat, 25 February 2012 23:04 |
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> Selling a DVD of the talk would be a good opportunity for additional revenue. Most people who are interested probably couldn't make it, but we could pay for a DVD...
Okay.
We will endeavor to record the workshop and make it available for a
reasonable price later.
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1195 is a reply to message #1132] |
Sun, 26 February 2012 01:59 |
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> Translated: "I intend to steal from a non-profit run by a jerk."
fixed
> "Oh no, there's no connection between the non-profit's financial
> issues and my involvement."
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1196 is a reply to message #1167] |
Sun, 26 February 2012 15:09 |
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Evan Koblentz wrote:
>> not recording it sounds like the most stupid idea since freedom fries.
>
> We might have an official recording later on. What we're avoiding is
> having people record it by themselves and then it's online for free
> the next day
not making it available online would be even more laughable.
and obviously someone would upload it anyway.
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1198 is a reply to message #1197] |
Sun, 26 February 2012 17:30 |
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christianlott1 wrote:
> What is CSC without arguments? You would think those with a mutual set
> of interests could get along but 30 years of constant fighting proves
> the opposite.
and what would CSC without people that when they have nothing to say, they
say it anyway...
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1199 is a reply to message #1132] |
Sun, 26 February 2012 21:52 |
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> not making it available online would be even more laughable.
>
> and obviously someone would upload it anyway.
Thanks for your opinion.
It's amazing that some people value our work enough to crave it, yet
they run away or mock upon realizing that it takes effort, time, and
money to create.
Anyway -- for everyone else out there in the CBM community who * does
* respect our work, I hope as many of you as possible choose to take a
New Jersey vacation this spring. Come meet Bil H. and others; check
out the Commodore LCD prototype; learn invaluable repair skills; and
meet the inventor of BASIC!
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| Re: Bil Herd teaching Commodore repair course [message #1200 is a reply to message #1132] |
Sun, 26 February 2012 21:46 |
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On Feb 26, 1:59 am, Chris Baird wrote:
> > Translated: "I intend to steal from a non-profit run by a jerk."
>
> fixed
>
> > "Oh no, there's no connection between the non-profit's financial
> > issues and my involvement."
It's very interesting that you only say such things in posts which are
tagged not to be archived. If you insult me and announce your
intention to break the law, how about having the courage to leave your
posts intact?
Our organization does not have "financial issues." We are doing quite
well -- primarily because every year people attend the Vintage
Computer Festival East and gladly buy their tickets in exchange for
the awesome even that we put on.
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Mon, 27 February 2012 04:00 |
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christianlott1 wrote:
> What is CSC without arguments? You would think those with a mutual set
> of interests could get along but 30 years of constant fighting proves
> the opposite.
Constructive criticism isn't argueing though, it's well, constructive.
Without it Evan wouldn't have recorded the event and raised more funds in
the process of selling the video.
He may have learnt something in regards to doing a better PR job.
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Tue, 28 February 2012 13:23 |
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Evan Koblentz wrote:
> It's amazing that some people value our work enough to crave it,
i think its laughable trying to sell it, no more no less. i have no problem
waiting until it pops up at the usual places for download.
> yet
> they run away or mock upon realizing that it takes effort, time, and
> money to create.
being one of the organizers of one of the worlds biggest annual demo parties
[1], i know very well what kind of work is involved to do so.
we also produce a shitload of videos each year and put them online for free
[2] (ofcourse), btw.
and i dont even want to imagine the laughter that would emerge from anyone
suggesting to sell them to raise funds. lol!
[1] http://revision-party.net/
[2] http://2011.revision-party.net/history/2011/seminars
http://2011.revision-party.net/history/2011/events
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