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RS232 code in new C86 release [message #115437] Wed, 18 September 2013 17:59 Go to next message
starr is currently offline  starr
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Message-ID: <248@shell.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 19-Feb-85 23:11:21 EST
Article-I.D.: shell.248
Posted: Tue Feb 19 23:11:21 1985
Date-Received: Thu, 21-Feb-85 06:07:47 EST
Organization: Shell Development Co., P&CS Dept., Houston TX
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I just got my new release of the C86 compiler. In Appendix A, there
is C code written to do interrupt driven communications. The
"author" claims to be one Bill Hohensee from Microcomputer Systems
Lab. Well, on scanning the code, I recognized it as the code *I* wrote
and posted to Usenet about a year ago. The bum didn't even change
most of the variable names or comments! What really galled me was the
last sentence in his opening comment:

   This code benefits greatly from the help of Computer Innovations
   staff, and Mr. Bob Kuphal.

I don't know how much help those guys could have been, since the code
worked as sent! The fact that this is my code is not in doubt (have
you seen it yet, Tim? Care to comment?). Most of the changes
made to the code were cosmetic.

If credit must go to someone, I don't see why it needs to go to this 
Bill creep. I would appreciate it if those of you who get the C86
update will inform C86 of this pilferage!

Thanks,
Bob Starr @ Shell Development

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Views expressed are my personal ones, in case that is not obvious.
Re: RS232 code in new C86 release [message #115464 is a reply to message #115437] Wed, 18 September 2013 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Message-ID: <24700105@uiucdcs.UUCP>
Date: Sat, 23-Feb-85 01:30:00 EST
Article-I.D.: uiucdcs.24700105
Posted: Sat Feb 23 01:30:00 1985
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Nf-From: uiucdcs!hohensee    Feb 23 00:30:00 1985



Mr. Shell,

I am Bill Hohensee.  I suppose that I am getting the credit for the
RS232 code in an appendix to a C86 newsletter.  Yes, the code I
submitted to Computer Innovations did derive *heavily* from previous
work -- this is clearly documented in the code.  But as far as I knew,
that work came from a Mr. Bob Kuphal working for AT&T in Napier.  When
I got a simple terminal program working the Tech people at CI asked me
to submit it for the benefit of others who, CI suggested, had been
calling for such.  Ok, as long as credit went where it was deserved --
Mr. Bob Kuphal and the help offered by the people at CI.

If you want credit, take it.  The submission to CI was not meant to
deprive you of special rewards -- it is public domain -- was your
original submission copyrighted?

Bill Hohensee
Re: RS232 code in new C86 release [message #115467 is a reply to message #115437] Wed, 18 September 2013 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Message-ID: <751@ecsvax.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 22-Feb-85 07:41:25 EST
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Posted: Fri Feb 22 07:41:25 1985
Date-Received: Wed, 27-Feb-85 04:11:14 EST
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Reply-To: ctk@ecsvax.UUCP (Tim Kelley)
Organization: NCSU Dept. of mathematics
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Summary: 

In article <248@shell.UUCP> starr@shell.UUCP (Bob Starr) writes:
 > 
 > I just got my new release of the C86 compiler. In Appendix A, there
 > is C code written to do interrupt driven communications. The
 > "author" claims to be one Bill Hohensee from Microcomputer Systems
 > Lab. Well, on scanning the code, I recognized it as the code *I* wrote
 > and posted to Usenet about a year ago. The bum didn't even change
 > most of the variable names or comments! What really galled me was the
 > last sentence in his opening comment:
 > 
 > If credit must go to someone, I don't see why it needs to go to this 
 > Bill creep. I would appreciate it if those of you who get the C86
 > update will inform C86 of this pilferage!
 > 
 > Thanks,
 > Bob Starr @ Shell Development

As a user of Starr's code ( I haven't seen the new CI compiler yet. Too
lazy to send my disks ) I think this is an outrage.  When one submits
code to the public domain I think it's part of the deal that any
one ( even commercial outfits ) can use it. Part of the fun is
knowning that a lot of people benefit from the work you do.
	HOWEVER, selling the source and giving credit to someone else
or claiming the source is your own is as low as one could possibly go.
CI has recently added many utilities that Starr and I could have
( and sometimes did ) write months ago. When I look at the sources
the code certainly isn't mine ( my stuff only works on the mono
screen ). Starr's code is general enough to work on AT's and many
clones. It's nicely done and well written. If CI knew about this
( is CI on the net? ) a public apology to Starr is in order. If
CI does not know the true author of this code, they should. Their
documentation should be corrected to give credit to Starr and
they should stop doing business with Mr. Bill.
	This is one of the sleazeist things I've ever heard. Nail
the muthas, Bob!!

-- 
C.T. Kelley  decvax!mcnc!ecsvax!ctk
Dept. of Math.    N.C. State U. Box 8205
Raleigh, N.C. 27695-8205,  919-737-3300
Re: RS232 code in new C86 release [message #115474 is a reply to message #115437] Wed, 18 September 2013 17:59 Go to previous message
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Originally posted by: rdkuphal@ihlpm.UUCP (heading)
Message-ID: <147@ihlpm.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 25-Feb-85 15:36:13 EST
Article-I.D.: ihlpm.147
Posted: Mon Feb 25 15:36:13 1985
Date-Received: Wed, 27-Feb-85 08:34:26 EST
References: <248@shell.UUCP>
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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I am Bob Kuphal

  I have noticed my name mentioned in this news group about RS232

  My involvement in this was to send Bill my HP2621 terminal emulator
he ask for, I assumed he was using it for personal purposes.  It did
contain Starrs interrupt driver, because it worked well, and happen
to be posted when I was writing my emulator.  

  The fact that Bill sent it to C86 was a total supprise to me, and
I was not notified (or ask) about it.

  I am not in the process of stealing someone elses code, or taking
credit for it!!, and I have written Starr a message explaining all.

  IF I had known Starr's piece of code in my emulator was going to a
publisher, it surely would have been stopped by me.

   ---> CI86 Take note, you have used my name without my consent <--
   --->                    and wrongly I might add               <--
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