| TCP/IP on IIgs...without Ethernet card [message #101076] |
Thu, 01 August 2013 05:47  |
Ivan X
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Or, Raspberry Pi lends a hand yet again.
For a while, I was hoping to get TCP/IP connected with Marinetti by using its PPP or SLIP link layer via direct serial attachment to the Pi's shell. I tried PPP a while back and never got it working. Tonight, someone on a2c.chat made me aware of the existence of Slirp, so I tried that out for a SLIP connection, and, after fiddling with the connect/disconnect scripts, it worked! Really, really slowly (I tried 38400 baud) but it worked.
So, cool. Those without an Uthernet card have another option by connecting the IIgs modem port to a Pi. I will probably integrate this into the A2CLOUD and/or A2SERVER setups, and whenever I get the scripts /steps polished, I'll post them on my web site and/or here.
Though it did raise a question for me: What TCP/IP applications for the IIgs do people actually use these days? (And which of those wouldn't be better served by logging into the Pi's shell with a serial communication program like ProTERM or Spectrum?)
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| Re: TCP/IP on IIgs...without Ethernet card [message #101141 is a reply to message #101076] |
Thu, 01 August 2013 11:27  |
bhtooefr
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Ivan X <ivan@ivanx.com> wrote:
> Though it did raise a question for me: What TCP/IP applications for the IIgs do people actually use these days? (And which of those wouldn't be better served by logging into the Pi's shell with a serial communication program like ProTERM or Spectrum?)
Personally, I use:
Spectrum telnet (completely useless with a direct serial connection,
and slow if your system is unaccelerated)
SAFE2 (mildly useful, but ZModem could work too - Kim Howe's FTP NDA
will be more useful)
TreeHugger (yes, you can do hacks to forward serial traffic traffic to
port 9100, and those are actually useful for 8-bit software too, but
TreeHugger is simply nicer to use)
Silver Platter (not very useful, and I rarely use it, but it does
actually need TCP/IP)
Samurai (there's always running irssi or weechat on the Pi (I do
that), but Samurai is more convenient and isn't bad)
The web browsers (SIS and Arachnid) aren't exactly useful, and most
other stuff is basically tech demos or (in the case of gsAIM)
deprecated.
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Eric Rucker - http://bhtooefr.org - bhtooefr@bhtooefr.org
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| Re: TCP/IP on IIgs...without Ethernet card [message #101236 is a reply to message #101076] |
Thu, 01 August 2013 15:50 |
Christopher G. Mason
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On 8/1/2013 5:47 AM, Ivan X wrote:
> Though it did raise a question for me: What TCP/IP applications for
the IIgs do people actually use these days?
I found FTP to be useful for getting files to/from the machine along
with TreeHugger to print to my Color Laserjet (in B&W since there are no
color GS/OS drivers!).
Once upon a time I tried SLiRP with Marinetti and found it to be pretty
darned slow. This was before Marinetti had a fully working PPP link
layer with CHAP. Once the MacIP link layer was released, I switched to
using my Shiva Fastpath as its the fastest method of connecting the
machine to a network short of using an Ethernet card.
I never pursued setting up SLIP or PPP in Linux after that, but it can
be done with extra configuring (setup routing, etc.). I wouldn't be
surprised if it was faster than SLiRP too as its a true TCP/IP
connection and not a terminal hack.
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| Re: TCP/IP on IIgs...without Ethernet card [message #101277 is a reply to message #101236] |
Thu, 01 August 2013 20:35 |
Steven Hirsch
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On 08/01/2013 03:50 PM, Christopher G. Mason wrote:
> Once the MacIP link layer was released, I switched to using my Shiva Fastpath
> as its the fastest method of connecting the machine to a network short of
> using an Ethernet card.
Can you elaborate a bit on that? The Shiva Fastpath is a LocalTalk to
Ethernet bridge. What provides TCP over Appletalk routing on the Apple 2
side? I wasn't aware this was possible.
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| Re: TCP/IP on IIgs...without Ethernet card [message #101278 is a reply to message #101277] |
Thu, 01 August 2013 21:42 |
Christopher G. Mason
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On 8/1/2013 8:35 PM, Steven Hirsch wrote:
> Can you elaborate a bit on that? The Shiva Fastpath is a LocalTalk to
> Ethernet bridge. What provides TCP over Appletalk routing on the Apple
> 2 side? I wasn't aware this was possible.
The Shiva Fastpath 4 and 5 is capable of routing TCP/IP over Localtalk
(MacIP). It uses a routing program called K-STAR loaded onto its on
board RAM to do so. On the Apple IIgs side you have to install the
Appletalk/Appleshare drivers in GS/OS and enable it in the control
panel. Once setup, you can connect via TCP/IP using the MacIP link layer
included with Marinetti.
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| Re: TCP/IP on IIgs...without Ethernet card [message #101279 is a reply to message #101277] |
Thu, 01 August 2013 21:45 |
bhtooefr
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Steven Hirsch <snhirsch@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can you elaborate a bit on that? The Shiva Fastpath is a LocalTalk to
> Ethernet bridge. What provides TCP over Appletalk routing on the Apple 2
> side? I wasn't aware this was possible.
It supports MacIP, and Marinetti acts as a IIGS TCP/IP stack with
various link layers:
SLIP over serial
PPP over serial
MacIP over AppleTalk (this includes the cancelled Apple ethernet card,
not just the on-board LocalTalk) - this is the relevant layer
LANceGS
Uther
Sweet16-specific
Direct connection of two Marinetti-running machines
Given that the FastPath also shares MacIP, in addition to bridging
LocalTalk, this means that nothing other than the FastPath connected to
the LocalTalk interface, and Marinetti running on the GS (with the MacIP
LL), is needed.
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Eric Rucker - http://bhtooefr.org - bhtooefr@bhtooefr.org
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| Re: TCP/IP on IIgs...without Ethernet card [message #101401 is a reply to message #101278] |
Fri, 02 August 2013 07:59 |
Steven Hirsch
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On 08/01/2013 09:42 PM, Christopher G. Mason wrote:
> On 8/1/2013 8:35 PM, Steven Hirsch wrote:
>> Can you elaborate a bit on that? The Shiva Fastpath is a LocalTalk to
>> Ethernet bridge. What provides TCP over Appletalk routing on the Apple
>> 2 side? I wasn't aware this was possible.
>
> The Shiva Fastpath 4 and 5 is capable of routing TCP/IP over Localtalk
> (MacIP). It uses a routing program called K-STAR loaded onto its on board RAM
> to do so. On the Apple IIgs side you have to install the Appletalk/Appleshare
> drivers in GS/OS and enable it in the control panel. Once setup, you can
> connect via TCP/IP using the MacIP link layer included with Marinetti.
Interesting. I never realized the Marinetti link layer could use LocalTalk
transport! For some reason I had it in my head that it worked only over
serial or ethernet.
My Gatorbox can also do IP over Appletalk. I'll have to give that a try at
some point. How does it compare speed-wise to TCP over an Uthernet card?
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