| Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #36] |
Mon, 19 December 2011 15:09  |
RobertB
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Nearly 3 years ago Dan "Megabit" Newbury released the
Megabit 128 Function ROM, a chip that plugged into the
empty motherboard socket of the Commodore 128 and
made a slew of C128 and C64 applications immediately
available with the press of the F1 key.
Now the Megabit 128 Function ROM has returned just in
time for the holidays! To see the complete list of
applications, specifications of the Function ROM, or even
contact Dan for more info or for placing your own apps in
the ROM, see the discussion thread at
http://www.commodore128.org/index.php?topic=2645.0
The current pricing for the Function ROM is $22.50.
Shipping costs are:
USA = $2.50
Canada = $5.00
Europe = $5.00
Australia = $5.00
PayPal is newbury(at)planetkc.com
Merry Christmas!
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #58 is a reply to message #36] |
Thu, 22 December 2011 19:35  |
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RobertB wrote:
> Nearly 3 years ago Dan "Megabit" Newbury released the
> Megabit 128 Function ROM, a chip that plugged into the
> empty motherboard socket of the Commodore 128 and
> made a slew of C128 and C64 applications immediately
> available with the press of the F1 key.
>
> Now the Megabit 128 Function ROM has returned just in
> time for the holidays! To see the complete list of
> applications, specifications of the Function ROM, or even
> contact Dan for more info or for placing your own apps in
> the ROM, see the discussion thread at
>
> http://www.commodore128.org/index.php?topic=2645.0
>
> The current pricing for the Function ROM is $22.50.
so thats $22.50 for an eprom full of pirated software?
is the image available somewhere at least?
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #133 is a reply to message #58] |
Wed, 28 December 2011 18:43 |
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On 12/22/11 7:35 PM, Groepaz wrote:
> RobertB wrote:
>> The current pricing for the Function ROM is $22.50.
>
> so thats $22.50 for an eprom full of pirated software?
Yeah. I'm the producer of the KeyDOS ROM. Nobody asked me about it, or
even tried to contact me about it. On the other hand, I worked with
every programmer who had software included on KeyDOS and had clear
agreements in place before I started producing it. Everyone who
contributed to KeyDOS received consideration for their efforts. It was
a lot of hard work to put KeyDOS together, run it through extensive
testing with a dedicated group of testers, fix the bugs, and write and
proof and print the manual.
This could have been a real problem, as I had licensed a third party to
produce and market this product, and they were still in business as of a
few years ago.
Too bad that the people who buy this aren't going to know how to get the
most use out of the KeyDOS portion, because I'm assuming that they
aren't getting the 52 page manual with this.
If I ever get my C= gear up and running again and find the time, I'm
going to open source this stuff, including the manual.
More info here:
http://21st-century.freeservers.com/KeyDOS/keydos-blurb.html
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #155 is a reply to message #133] |
Sat, 31 December 2011 15:27 |
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Randy Winchester wrote:
> On 12/22/11 7:35 PM, Groepaz wrote:
>> RobertB wrote:
>>> The current pricing for the Function ROM is $22.50.
>>
>> so thats $22.50 for an eprom full of pirated software?
>
> Yeah. I'm the producer of the KeyDOS ROM. Nobody asked me about it,
> or even tried to contact me about it. On the other hand, I worked
> with every programmer who had software included on KeyDOS and had
> clear agreements in place before I started producing it. Everyone who
> contributed to KeyDOS received consideration for their efforts. It
> was a lot of hard work to put KeyDOS together, run it through
> extensive testing with a dedicated group of testers, fix the bugs,
> and write and proof and print the manual.
>
> This could have been a real problem, as I had licensed a third party
> to produce and market this product, and they were still in business
> as of a few years ago.
>
> Too bad that the people who buy this aren't going to know how to get
> the most use out of the KeyDOS portion, because I'm assuming that they
> aren't getting the 52 page manual with this.
>
> If I ever get my C= gear up and running again and find the time, I'm
> going to open source this stuff, including the manual.
>
> More info here:
> http://21st-century.freeservers.com/KeyDOS/keydos-blurb.html
It seems that piracy and the support of it is alive and well in the C=
community judging by the frenzy in the forum
http://www.commodore128.org/index.php?topic=2645.0
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #159 is a reply to message #36] |
Sun, 01 January 2012 08:03 |
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Hallo allemaal,
> It seems that piracy and the support of it is alive and well in the C=
> community judging by the frenzy in the forumhttp://www.commodore128.org/index.php?topic=2645.0
The thread already started in 2009 and if there is piracy involved
indeed, why don't I see any complaints about it on Commodore128.org?
Until I read this thread I didn't know of any possible piracy. What
about the people who already bought the EPROM, did they realize that
they bought partly pirated stuff?
If somenone feels cheated, please express yourself at the right place!
Groetjes, Ruud Baltissen
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #172 is a reply to message #155] |
Sun, 01 January 2012 17:03 |
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Clocky wrote:
> It seems that piracy and the support of it is alive and well in the C=
> community judging by the frenzy in the forum
> http://www.commodore128.org/index.php?topic=2645.0
piracy is one thing (and where would we be today without it really) ... but
making money with it, now thats another - and frowned opon even in the
cracking scene. they even have a word for it: LAME =)
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #173 is a reply to message #36] |
Sun, 01 January 2012 17:11 |
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On Jan 1, 2:03 pm, Groepaz wrote:
> making money with it, now thats another - and frowned opon even in the
> cracking scene. they even have a word for it: LAME =)
Shucks, that leaves out the VIC-20 Megacart.
Happy New Year!
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #174 is a reply to message #173] |
Sun, 01 January 2012 18:23 |
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"RobertB" wrote in message
news:dfc6e42b-2db0-48d4-afb1-beae75491aa5@t16g2000vba.google groups.com...
On Jan 1, 2:03 pm, Groepaz wrote:
> making money with it, now thats another - and frowned opon even in the
> cracking scene. they even have a word for it: LAME =)
Shucks, that leaves out the VIC-20 Megacart.
They're not charging a cent for the software, they are charging you for
development costs, product design and professional packaging and support.
Read what it says on the bottom slowly and carefully.
http://www.mega-cart.com/order/
Clearly they're not doing it for profit.
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #175 is a reply to message #159] |
Sun, 01 January 2012 18:46 |
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"Ruud Baltissen" wrote in message
news:eb053e97-77ee-4a04-8dde-b7b15430fdea@d9g2000yqg.googleg roups.com...
> Hallo allemaal,
>
>
>> It seems that piracy and the support of it is alive and well in the C=
>> community judging by the frenzy in the
>> forumhttp://www.commodore128.org/index.php?topic=2645.0
>
> The thread already started in 2009 and if there is piracy involved
> indeed, why don't I see any complaints about it on Commodore128.org?
> Until I read this thread I didn't know of any possible piracy. What
> about the people who already bought the EPROM, did they realize that
> they bought partly pirated stuff?
>
> If somenone feels cheated, please express yourself at the right place!
>
>
Considering someone here is quick to make announcements all over the place
on other people's behalf, perhaps the same person could announce in the
forum that at least one person who holds copyright on a program on the ROM
isn't too happy about the distribution of his software on the Megabit
without his prior permission being sought.
It would be in their interest to know, after all.
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #213 is a reply to message #36] |
Mon, 02 January 2012 21:09 |
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Dagnabit, that leaves out the Turbo Chameleon 64.
Happy New Year!
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #236 is a reply to message #36] |
Wed, 04 January 2012 03:59 |
RobertB
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Goshallmighty, that leaves out the 1541 Ultimate.
Happy New Year!
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #252 is a reply to message #36] |
Thu, 05 January 2012 03:25 |
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Tarnation, that leaves out the EasyFlash 1 with pre-loaded games.
Happy New Year!
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #256 is a reply to message #213] |
Mon, 02 January 2012 22:54 |
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RobertB wrote:
> Dagnabit, that leaves out the Turbo Chameleon 64.
aha. i dont even want to hear why you think so, but you can download the
software for the chameleon here:
http://beta.icomp.de/bin/Chameleon_Beta-7a.zip
now where can i download an image of this megabit function rom?
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #260 is a reply to message #36] |
Fri, 06 January 2012 05:48 |
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Jumping Jehoshaphat, that leaves out the Multiple Classic Computer 216
(MCC-216).
Happy New Year!
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #276 is a reply to message #36] |
Sat, 07 January 2012 01:19 |
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Well, I'm plumb bamboozled; that leaves out the the
Kelly Multicart and the Coleman 72-games-in-one
Multicart (oops, those are Vectrex).
Back at home,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #301 is a reply to message #36] |
Mon, 09 January 2012 17:54 |
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Heavens to Murgatroyd, that leaves out C64 Forever
and Amiga Forever.
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #322 is a reply to message #301] |
Mon, 09 January 2012 19:24 |
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Op 9-1-2012 23:54, RobertB schreef:
> Heavens to Murgatroyd, that leaves out C64 Forever
> and Amiga Forever.
>
> Truly,
> Robert Bernardo
> Fresno Commodore User Group
> http://videocam.net.au/fcug
Cloanto actualy has permision and licences where needed, maybe should do
the same.
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #328 is a reply to message #36] |
Tue, 10 January 2012 21:51 |
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Carn sard it, that leaves out the club library CD from TPUG.
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #353 is a reply to message #328] |
Wed, 11 January 2012 11:54 |
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On 10/01/2012 9:51 PM, RobertB wrote:
> Carn sard it, that leaves out the club library CD from TPUG.
I know this thread is way off in redonkulous territory, but the TPUG CD
is intended to be all public domain, freeware, shareware, or original
content. It's images of the original library disks from the 80's.
You're paying for the organization, packaging, media, and spiffy artwork
(designed by yours truly). Do note that the content is provided under
Creative Commons.
Plus a CD is much cheaper and way more convenient than 1,000 individual
floppies! ;-)
-Leif
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #356 is a reply to message #36] |
Wed, 11 January 2012 22:55 |
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Holy moly, that leaves out the GEOSpecific CD from CUE.
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #403 is a reply to message #36] |
Sat, 14 January 2012 12:24 |
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Gee, whillikers, that leaves out the VIC-20 Multicart/Development
cart.
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #405 is a reply to message #36] |
Sun, 15 January 2012 17:47 |
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Landsakes, that leaves out the Kelly Atari 2600 Multicart.
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #407 is a reply to message #36] |
Mon, 16 January 2012 23:41 |
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It was always my assumption this stuff was abandonware - that since
the individuals and companies responsible for the software no longer
care to sell it, it's not necessarily 'legal' but it's in a grey area.
However, since the author has spoken up and said they want the C=key
sw off that cart, I think it's only a matter of etiquette to stop
selling it - or at least negotiate with the author a sale rate since
it looks like a good platform for the product.
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #411 is a reply to message #405] |
Mon, 16 January 2012 23:18 |
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Robert, please give it a rest. The point is that if you are going to release something that uses someone else's IP you have to get the rights to that IP. Just because other people are behaving badly doesn't mean you need to try to justify participating in selling a ROM with stolen IP.
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #473 is a reply to message #36] |
Tue, 17 January 2012 00:04 |
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> Groepaz wrote:
>> (yes c64forever is also perfectly legal. infact its said to be the only
>> legal source for certain things, just like amigaforever is)
Who gave them these rights, btw?
From the site:
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C64 Games
C64 Forever includes:
More than 100 games
A built-in game search function
Support for games in the most common formats available for
download (RP9, D64, C64, etc.)
Games are available for download from a variety of independent C64
preservation sites. These include:
Gamebase 64
Lemon 64
C64Tapes.org
PET Games on Zimmers.net
PET Games by Henrik Wening
More...
-----------------------------
I don't have any problem with people trying to sell their software,
but using them as an example of legit and somehow 'obviously legal'
sellers is going a bit too far.
Now surprise me and show me their written permissions from Bill Gates
and the CBM team of Kernal authors. Next - as he does not list the 100
games his sw comes with, lets just assume they are all public domain
games -- but right on the same page he links to multiple sites for his
users to download abandonware. It doesn't hurt my feelings, but I
think it puts a few holes in your 'legitimate' theory. It's like
selling CD burning sw and linking to torrent sites for where to get
music to burn. If this isn't obvious to you I'm sure I'm not the only
one here who knows exactly how bogus the pretense of legitimacy from
retro vendors are.
Even assuming all the sw has been signed for - where is permission
granted to emulate the hardware? You know this is a big grey area as
well. This year it's legal to emulate, next year they may change the
law. You never know.
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #475 is a reply to message #36] |
Tue, 17 January 2012 11:02 |
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On Jan 17, 3:26 am, "Clocky" wrote:
> christianlott1 wrote:
> > It was always my assumption this stuff was abandonware - that since
> > the individuals and companies responsible for the software no longer
> > care to sell it, it's not necessarily 'legal' but it's in a grey area.
>
> > However, since the author has spoken up and said they want the C=key sw
Should have said 'KeyDOS'.
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #482 is a reply to message #36] |
Wed, 18 January 2012 02:29 |
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Land a Goshen, that leaves out the Fotios FB-512 Jumbocart.
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #534 is a reply to message #36] |
Wed, 18 January 2012 11:30 |
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On Jan 18, 1:29 am, RobertB wrote:
> Land a Goshen, that leaves out the Fotios FB-512 Jumbocart.
Only an English teacher would come up with so many phrases of
astonishment so quickly :)
Seriously Robert, this leaves out none of the products you mentioned,
it merely hi lights the fact that if the author of a piece of sw
personally asks you not to copy or include their sw in your product -
just stop doing it.
Anyway - keep em coming Robert. I think they're kinda funny even if
they don't make sense :P
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #536 is a reply to message #36] |
Thu, 19 January 2012 03:31 |
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Fiddle-dee-dee, that leaves out the Rear Admiral ThunderDrive
from Mytec Electronics.
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #537 is a reply to message #36] |
Thu, 19 January 2012 21:50 |
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> > now where can i download an image of this megabit function rom?
>
> [tongue in cheek]
> That's just silly, how is he supposed to profit from other people's work if
> he released the image?
of course the image will do you no good without the hardware he
produced to use it. Its not like he is making money of of this at
$20.....
But you didn't rally care about that did you, you just wanted
something to whine about...
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #540 is a reply to message #36] |
Fri, 20 January 2012 09:24 |
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On Jan 20, 2:42 am, "Clocky" wrote:
> Dragos wrote:
> >>> now where can i download an image of this megabit function rom?
>
> >> [tongue in cheek]
> >> That's just silly, how is he supposed to profit from other people's
> >> work if he released the image?
>
> > of course the image will do you no good without the hardware he
> > produced to use it. Its not like he is making money of of this at
> > $20.....
>
> > But you didn't rally care about that did you, you just wanted
> > something to whine about...
>
> I guess you missed the "tongue in cheek bit". Pity the producer of the
> KeyDos ROM wasn't approached about using his software, nor was permission
> given to use it.
>
> But I guess that would mean nothing to you.
who knew who it was before now?
and no, it means nothing to me.
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #586 is a reply to message #36] |
Fri, 20 January 2012 18:02 |
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On Jan 20, 5:06 pm, "Clocky" wrote:
> Dragos wrote:
> > On Jan 20, 2:42 am, "Clocky" wrote:
> >> Dragos wrote:
> >>>>> now where can i download an image of this megabit function rom?
>
> >>>> [tongue in cheek]
> >>>> That's just silly, how is he supposed to profit from other people's
> >>>> work if he released the image?
>
> >>> of course the image will do you no good without the hardware he
> >>> produced to use it. Its not like he is making money of of this at
> >>> $20.....
>
> >>> But you didn't rally care about that did you, you just wanted
> >>> something to whine about...
>
> >> I guess you missed the "tongue in cheek bit". Pity the producer of
> >> the KeyDos ROM wasn't approached about using his software, nor was
> >> permission given to use it.
>
> >> But I guess that would mean nothing to you.
>
> > who knew who it was before now?
>
> Type KeyDOS into Google and the first link gives you all the details on
> KeyDOS and how to contact the author.
>
> Obviously absolutely no attempt was made to ask for permission to use KeyDOS
> in the Megabit.
>
> If blatant piracy means nothing to you, why bother to comment?
He obviously doesn't really give a shit if he is A) only commenting
here (and he really only said it was too bad. not that he is outraged
as other would twist the post into) and B) is planning on open
sourcing it himself anyway.
So, Moot point made by someone not even remotely in a postion to be
involved. you may stfu now...
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #588 is a reply to message #36] |
Fri, 20 January 2012 21:48 |
Dragos
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On Jan 20, 6:22 pm, "Clocky" wrote:
> Dragos wrote:
> > On Jan 20, 5:06 pm, "Clocky" wrote:
> >> Dragos wrote:
> >>> On Jan 20, 2:42 am, "Clocky" wrote:
> >>>> Dragos wrote:
> >>>>>>> now where can i download an image of this megabit function rom?
>
> >>>>>> [tongue in cheek]
> >>>>>> That's just silly, how is he supposed to profit from other
> >>>>>> people's work if he released the image?
>
> >>>>> of course the image will do you no good without the hardware he
> >>>>> produced to use it. Its not like he is making money of of this at
> >>>>> $20.....
>
> >>>>> But you didn't rally care about that did you, you just wanted
> >>>>> something to whine about...
>
> >>>> I guess you missed the "tongue in cheek bit". Pity the producer of
> >>>> the KeyDos ROM wasn't approached about using his software, nor was
> >>>> permission given to use it.
>
> >>>> But I guess that would mean nothing to you.
>
> >>> who knew who it was before now?
>
> >> Type KeyDOS into Google and the first link gives you all the details
> >> on KeyDOS and how to contact the author.
>
> >> Obviously absolutely no attempt was made to ask for permission to
> >> use KeyDOS in the Megabit.
>
> >> If blatant piracy means nothing to you, why bother to comment?
>
> > He obviously doesn't really give a shit if he is A) only commenting
> > here (and he really only said it was too bad. not that he is outraged
> > as other would twist the post into)
>
> Why are you speaking on Randy's behalf? What he said is plain for anyone to
> read. He isn't happy about it.
>
> and B) is planning on open
>
> > sourcing it himself anyway.
>
> That doesn't mean you get to steal it now, or that you own it.
>
> > So, Moot point made by someone not even remotely in a postion to be
> > involved. you may stfu now...
>
> Thanks for that superfluous proof that you have never had a clue about
> anything at all, ever. Nobody is surprised.
paste the line here that says he is pissed....
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #635 is a reply to message #36] |
Sun, 22 January 2012 03:36 |
RobertB
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Corn-dodgers, that leaves out the Ward Shrake Astrocade
and Arcadia multicarts.
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #637 is a reply to message #635] |
Sun, 22 January 2012 04:33 |
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Op 22-Jan-12 9:36, RobertB schreef:
> Corn-dodgers, that leaves out the Ward Shrake Astrocade
> and Arcadia multicarts.
Robert, you are not doing yourself a favor by making postings like this.
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #638 is a reply to message #36] |
Sun, 22 January 2012 13:39 |
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On Jan 21, 3:05 pm, Groepaz wrote:
> christianlott1 wrote:
> > It was always my assumption this stuff was abandonware - that since
> > the individuals and companies responsible for the software no longer
> > care to sell it, it's not necessarily 'legal' but it's in a grey area.
>
> no its not. there is no such thing as "abandonware" in the context of any
> law. copyright expires after 70 years, and that again means no software
> exists whose copyright expired already.
That's why I said 'it's not necessarily legal'.
When I say 'grey area' I mean that as we all know, laws change and the
same law in different circumstances infer different penalties,
including the possibility of no penalty at all. Years of cases set a
precedent that usually trump the written law.
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #639 is a reply to message #36] |
Sun, 22 January 2012 14:01 |
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On Jan 21, 3:10 pm, Groepaz wrote:
> christianlott1 wrote:
> > Now surprise me and show me their written permissions from Bill Gates
>
> bill gates has nothing to do with it really. zero =)
I highly doubt this C64 emulator is shipped without the BASIC rom.
> > and the CBM team of Kernal authors.
>
> the cbm roms are infact the *only* thing regarding c64 where the legal
> sitution is a bit unclear. cbm released them "to the public" some time
> shortly before they went bust. they posted that right here (i think it was
> c.s.c at least).
Unclear to who? Inferring from your last post, all patent laws are
crystal clear and set in stone. Immovable.
> > Next - as he does not list the 100
> > games his sw comes with, lets just assume they are all public domain
> > games --
>
> they are not, and they are all licensed (details in the cd inlay)
Funny how he doesn't list the 100 game titles... Very strange and
suspicious.
> > but right on the same page he links to multiple sites for his
> > users to download abandonware. It doesn't hurt my feelings, but I
> > think it puts a few holes in your 'legitimate' theory. It's like
> > selling CD burning sw and linking to torrent sites for where to get
> > music to burn. If this isn't obvious to you I'm sure I'm not the only
> > one here who knows exactly how bogus the pretense of legitimacy from
> > retro vendors are.
>
> there IS a difference between selling pirated software and pointing people
> to where/how they can download it for free. really.
It's still hypocrisy.
> > Even assuming all the sw has been signed for - where is permission
> > granted to emulate the hardware? You know this is a big grey area as
> > well. This year it's legal to emulate, next year they may change the
> > law. You never know.
>
> no its not grey area. emulation by itself never is illegal (no matter how
> often sony and/or nintendo try to tell you the opposite), only using pirated
> software makes it illegal (and infact, there is a related dmca exception
> that allows you to make copies of roms that you own).
Knowing that these big companies have heavy sway to what becomes
construed as law, their past failures may foretell future
accomplishment - especially when a certain patented proprietary
sequence of software commands are necessary for the hardware to
function.
---
Minister: As I was saying, Alex, you can be instrumental in changing
the public verdict. Do you understand, Alex? Have I made myself clear?
Alex: As an unmuddied lake, Fred. As clear as an azure sky of deepest
summer. You can rely on me, Fred.
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #642 is a reply to message #36] |
Sun, 22 January 2012 20:03 |
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On Jan 22, 2:06 pm, Groepaz wrote:
> whats suspicious about it?
The fact that he's selling 100 titles and not one of them is listed.
Imagine selling a 100-in-1 multicart and failing to provide a list of
games.
Very bizarre. I don't believe the seller is completely confident he's
not doing something illegal.
Why don't you take a picture of the game list from the inlay so we can
all see and judge for ourselves - or is the listing itself patented/
proprietary/copyrighted?
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #643 is a reply to message #36] |
Sun, 22 January 2012 20:26 |
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On Jan 22, 8:03 pm, christianlott1 wrote:
> On Jan 22, 2:06 pm, Groepaz wrote:
>
> > whats suspicious about it?
>
> The fact that he's selling 100 titles and not one of them is listed.
>
> Imagine selling a 100-in-1 multicart and failing to provide a list of
> games.
>
> Very bizarre. I don't believe the seller is completely confident he's
> not doing something illegal.
>
> Why don't you take a picture of the game list from the inlay so we can
> all see and judge for ourselves - or is the listing itself patented/
> proprietary/copyrighted?
why does anyone care?
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| Re: Megabit 128 Function ROM re-released [message #686 is a reply to message #36] |
Mon, 23 January 2012 03:09 |
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By horny toads, that leaves out various NES multicarts.
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
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