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Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341305] Fri, 07 April 2017 16:49 Go to next message
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Hi,

I am not familiar with a lot of A2 software and when it comes to word
processors, I am aware of Teach and AppleWorks.

Can someone mention a very small, lightweight ASCII editor that I can
launch from ProDOS? 80 Cols. support is a plus.

Cheers,

m
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341306 is a reply to message #341305] Fri, 07 April 2017 17:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Brian Patrie

On 2017-04-07 15:49, ultramagnus_tcv wrote:
> Can someone mention a very small, lightweight ASCII editor that I can
> launch from ProDOS? 80 Cols. support is a plus.

FreeWriter weighs in at about 11k.
FrEdWriter is about 17k, and has a few more features.
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341307 is a reply to message #341305] Fri, 07 April 2017 18:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"ultramagnus_tcv" <mikew@thecomputervalet.com> wrote:
> Can someone mention a very small, lightweight ASCII editor that I can
> launch from ProDOS? 80 Cols. support is a plus.

The Proterm editor was pretty good IIRC...

ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II/images/communication s/proterm/

Bill
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341314 is a reply to message #341306] Fri, 07 April 2017 19:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2017-04-07 21:32:24 +0000, Brian Patrie said:

> FreeWriter weighs in at about 11k.
> FrEdWriter is about 17k, and has a few more features.


FreeWriter is _great_ and it is pretty much perfect. The only thing I
wish it didn't do was pause for five seconds to display a title and
copyright notice. :-/ Picky, I know. :-)
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341315 is a reply to message #341305] Fri, 07 April 2017 20:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: John Brooks

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 1:49:16 PM UTC-7, Mike Whalen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am not familiar with a lot of A2 software and when it comes to word
> processors, I am aware of Teach and AppleWorks.
>
> Can someone mention a very small, lightweight ASCII editor that I can
> launch from ProDOS? 80 Cols. support is a plus.
>
> Cheers,
>
> m

There is a tiny text editor in Kyan Pascal which is 7k (14 blocks). It is launched by kix.system which is 3k (6 blocks).

10k total if you omit the other kix shell commands.

The editor is 80 column with cut, paste, find, replace, page up/down etc.

-JB
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Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341318 is a reply to message #341314] Fri, 07 April 2017 21:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2017-04-07 23:04:02 +0000, ultramagnus_tcv said:

> FreeWriter is _great_ and it is pretty much perfect. The only thing I
> wish it didn't do was pause for five seconds to display a title and
> copyright notice. :-/ Picky, I know. :-)


Oh, heh. I managed to patch it so the delay is under one second. :-)
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341319 is a reply to message #341315] Fri, 07 April 2017 21:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2017-04-08 00:05:13 +0000, John Brooks said:

> There is a tiny text editor in Kyan Pascal which is 7k (14 blocks). It
> is launched by kix.system which is 3k (6 blocks).
>
> 10k total if you omit the other kix shell commands.
>
> The editor is 80 column with cut, paste, find, replace, page up/down etc.

Is it called KIX? I'm looking for it on Asimov...?
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341320 is a reply to message #341315] Fri, 07 April 2017 21:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2017-04-08 00:05:13 +0000, John Brooks said:

> There is a tiny text editor in Kyan Pascal which is 7k (14 blocks). It
> is launched by kix.system which is 3k (6 blocks).
>
> 10k total if you omit the other kix shell commands.
>
> The editor is 80 column with cut, paste, find, replace, page up/down etc.

I found it. :-) Thanks for the assist.

http://www.appleoldies.ca/kix/
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341328 is a reply to message #341320] Sat, 08 April 2017 04:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"ultramagnus_tcv" <mikew@thecomputervalet.com> wrote:
> http://www.appleoldies.ca/kix/

Yeah, and I have some other shells on that site that also have editors...
there's a list at this link...

http://www.appleoldies.ca/

Bill
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341401 is a reply to message #341315] Sun, 09 April 2017 08:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 04/07/2017 08:05 PM, John Brooks wrote:
> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 1:49:16 PM UTC-7, Mike Whalen wrote:

>> Can someone mention a very small, lightweight ASCII editor that I can
>> launch from ProDOS? 80 Cols. support is a plus.

> There is a tiny text editor in Kyan Pascal which is 7k (14 blocks). It is
> launched by kix.system which is 3k (6 blocks).
>
> 10k total if you omit the other kix shell commands.
>
> The editor is 80 column with cut, paste, find, replace, page up/down etc.

That was the first tool that came to my mind as well. Very impressive
functionality for such a small program.
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341402 is a reply to message #341401] Sun, 09 April 2017 10:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2017-04-09 12:32:07 +0000, Steven Hirsch said:

> That was the first tool that came to my mind as well. Very impressive
> functionality for such a small program.


I didn't consider this one too much because it seemed to be tied into
an environment. I couldn't easily discern how to pull the word
processor out and put it on a plain ProDOS volume. I imagine this
mostly comes down to my lack of skills with the Apple II.
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341416 is a reply to message #341402] Sun, 09 April 2017 13:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 8:26:47 AM UTC-6, Mike Whalen wrote:
> On 2017-04-09 12:32:07 +0000, Steven Hirsch said:
>
>> That was the first tool that came to my mind as well. Very impressive
>> functionality for such a small program.
>
>
> I didn't consider this one too much because it seemed to be tied into
> an environment. I couldn't easily discern how to pull the word
> processor out and put it on a plain ProDOS volume. I imagine this
> mostly comes down to my lack of skills with the Apple II.


If you want a small text editor/screen editor that works without leaving the basic.system environment, I have one called notetaker. It is only 4 kb in size and saves up to 10 screens full in a text file. Doesn't have major features such as find/replace or copy/paste, but excellent for jotting down quick notes and return to the basic prompt.

To view text files of any size, I would suggest Dogpaw that installs as a command under basic.system. It has scroll up/down and search capabilities and allows you to view a file of any size. Plus line count, word count and excellent printing capabilities.
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341445 is a reply to message #341416] Mon, 10 April 2017 01:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Brian Patrie

On 2017-04-09 12:42, gids.rs@sasktel.net wrote:
> If you want a small text editor/screen editor that works without
> leaving the basic.system environment, I have one called notetaker.
> It is only 4 kb in size and saves up to 10 screens full in a text
> file. Doesn't have major features such as find/replace or
> copy/paste, but excellent for jotting down quick notes and return to
> the basic prompt.

Sounds like the kind of thing i've been looking for for editing exec
files. (My effort in AppleSoft is sucking.) Where might we find this
critter?
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341462 is a reply to message #341445] Mon, 10 April 2017 12:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2017-04-10 05:54:46 +0000, Brian Patrie said:

> Sounds like the kind of thing i've been looking for for editing exec
> files. (My effort in AppleSoft is sucking.) Where might we find this
> critter?

Me too!
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341463 is a reply to message #341305] Mon, 10 April 2017 13:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Michael Mann

I have the antithesis for you. The most famous programming editor of them all. A power-packed, bloated pig of an editor that requires an 8Mhz IIgs to work, or better yet, an emulated Apple IIgs. It is...

....'vi' for the Apple ][! :-)

http://www.ware4.com/pvic/bin.shk
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341468 is a reply to message #341445] Mon, 10 April 2017 15:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 11:54:49 PM UTC-6, Brian Patrie wrote:
> On 2017-04-09 12:42, Rob wrote:
>> If you want a small text editor/screen editor that works without
>> leaving the basic.system environment, I have one called notetaker.
>> It is only 4 kb in size and saves up to 10 screens full in a text
>> file. Doesn't have major features such as find/replace or
>> copy/paste, but excellent for jotting down quick notes and return to
>> the basic prompt.
>
> Sounds like the kind of thing i've been looking for for editing exec
> files. (My effort in AppleSoft is sucking.) Where might we find this
> critter?


For the quick download you can get it here.

http://atariage.com/forums/topic/264277-notetaker-download/
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341477 is a reply to message #341445] Mon, 10 April 2017 16:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 1:54:49 AM UTC-4, Brian Patrie wrote:
>> file. Doesn't have major features such as find/replace or
>> copy/paste, but excellent for jotting down quick notes and return to
>> the basic prompt.
>
> Sounds like the kind of thing i've been looking for for editing exec
> files. (My effort in AppleSoft is sucking.) Where might we find this
> critter?

If this is your cup of tea, you should also check out 4live: https://github.com/a2-4am/4live
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341510 is a reply to message #341477] Tue, 11 April 2017 08:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2017-04-10 20:32:24 +0000, Zellyn said:

> If this is your cup of tea, you should also check out 4live:
> https://github.com/a2-4am/4live

Oh? Can 4Live save files? I didn't think so...?

I hope I'm not breaking any unwritten social graces by letting out the
following information. Martin Haye wrote a tiny screen editor he uses
in his KansasFest presentations. There's no save capability but it's
pretty cool. Here's the email he wrote to me about it last year:

> I use a tiny program I call WeaknessPoint (a pun on PowerPoint). The
> Apple II ROM contains most of what one needs for my stile [sic] of
> presentation. The usual version is:
>
> CALL -151
> 8:20 35 FD 20 ED FD 4C 8 0 8G
>
> Now the standard escape sequences allow everything you need. Hit ESC to
> get into escape mode, there are several sequences that are useful (the
> full set is documented in the Apple II Reference Manual):
> @: Clear screen
> E: Clear to end of line (or page maybe?)
> I/J/K/M: Up/Left/Right/Down
> ESC: return to text entry mode
>
> The version I used this morning is one byte shorter because the Laser's
> character output routine guarantees that the V processor flag will be
> clear, and that allows me to use a 2-byte BVC instruction rather than
> 3-byte JMP.
>
> CALL -151
> 8:20 35 FD 20 20 ED FD 50 F8 8G
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341515 is a reply to message #341510] Tue, 11 April 2017 10:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 8:26:01 AM UTC-4, Mike Whalen wrote:
> I hope I'm not breaking any unwritten social graces by letting out the
> following information. Martin Haye wrote a tiny screen editor he uses
> in his KansasFest presentations. There's no save capability but it's
> pretty cool. Here's the email he wrote to me about it last year:

I saw Martin type this on one of the Kansasfest videos floating around, so I think you're okay :-)

Zellyn
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341521 is a reply to message #341510] Tue, 11 April 2017 11:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: John Brooks

On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 5:26:01 AM UTC-7, Mike Whalen wrote:
> On 2017-04-10 20:32:24 +0000, Zellyn said:
>
>> If this is your cup of tea, you should also check out 4live:
>> https://github.com/a2-4am/4live
>
> Oh? Can 4Live save files? I didn't think so...?
>
> I hope I'm not breaking any unwritten social graces by letting out the
> following information. Martin Haye wrote a tiny screen editor he uses
> in his KansasFest presentations. There's no save capability but it's
> pretty cool. Here's the email he wrote to me about it last year:
>
>> I use a tiny program I call WeaknessPoint (a pun on PowerPoint). The
>> Apple II ROM contains most of what one needs for my stile [sic] of
>> presentation. The usual version is:
>>
>> CALL -151
>> 8:20 35 FD 20 ED FD 4C 8 0 8G
>>
>> Now the standard escape sequences allow everything you need. Hit ESC to
>> get into escape mode, there are several sequences that are useful (the
>> full set is documented in the Apple II Reference Manual):
>> @: Clear screen
>> E: Clear to end of line (or page maybe?)
>> I/J/K/M: Up/Left/Right/Down
>> ESC: return to text entry mode
>>
>> The version I used this morning is one byte shorter because the Laser's
>> character output routine guarantees that the V processor flag will be
>> clear, and that allows me to use a 2-byte BVC instruction rather than
>> 3-byte JMP.
>>
>> CALL -151
>> 8:20 35 FD 20 20 ED FD 50 F8 8G

Here is the one I use when mocking up text screens as it's easy to remember:

b1:60 n0g

I just lobotomize the basic parser and then use Esc IJKM & @ to mock up my text pages. Pressing return gives a basic prompt, but no syntax error or basic execution.

Although basic is dead ProDOS is still alive.

I save my text mockup with <return>bsave /ram/mockup,a$400,l$400
I have a couple helper files to load & save mockups for 40col & 80col which I run via the "-" prodos cmd.

To restore the basic parser, do this:
]mtr
*b1:e6 n0g


True story: as a teenager I'd play a prank by going into the computer store and typing:

HOME:POKE 177,96
(RTS at B1 to lobotomize basic)

Then I'd ask the salesman to show me how Applesoft worked. He'd type in something like:

10 PRINT "HELLO" : GOTO 10
RUN

and nothing would happen.

LIST
<nothing>

CALL-151
<nothing>

RESET
LIST
<nothing>

Reboot was the only way out.

:)

-JB
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Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341533 is a reply to message #341510] Tue, 11 April 2017 20:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ultramagnus_tcv <mikew@thecomputervalet.com> wrote:
>> The version I used this morning is one byte shorter
>> CALL -151
>> 8:20 35 FD 20 20 ED FD 50 F8 8G

Let me correct that for you

8:20 35 FD 20 ED FD 50 F8 8G
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341534 is a reply to message #341521] Tue, 11 April 2017 20:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2017-04-11 15:42:36 +0000, John Brooks said:

> Reboot was the only way out.


:-D
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341535 is a reply to message #341533] Tue, 11 April 2017 20:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2017-04-12 00:28:34 +0000, Andrew Roughan said:

> 8:20 35 FD 20 ED FD 50 F8 8G


Thanks. I actually copied that directly from the email he sent me. Must
have been a typo.
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341541 is a reply to message #341521] Tue, 11 April 2017 22:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Wednesday, 12 April 2017 03:42:37 UTC+12, John Brooks wrote:
> b1:60 n0g

Can anybody beat 2 bytes? ... ; - )

> True story: as a teenager I'd play a prank by going into the computer store and typing:

Hilarious. That guy's in a rest home rocking himself to sleep now.
Unless ... you owned up and told him.

Cheers,
Nick.
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341544 is a reply to message #341468] Wed, 12 April 2017 02:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Brian Patrie

On 2017-04-10 14:06, gids.rs@sasktel.net wrote:
> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 11:54:49 PM UTC-6, Brian Patrie wrote:
>> On 2017-04-09 12:42, Rob wrote:
>> > If you want a small text editor/screen editor that works without
>> > leaving the basic.system environment, I have one called notetaker.
>> > It is only 4 kb in size and saves up to 10 screens full in a text
>> > file. Doesn't have major features such as find/replace or
>> > copy/paste, but excellent for jotting down quick notes and return
>> > to the basic prompt.
>>
>> Sounds like the kind of thing i've been looking for for editing exec
>> files. (My effort in AppleSoft is sucking.) Where might we find
>> this critter?
>
> For the quick download you can get it here.
>
> http://atariage.com/forums/topic/264277-notetaker-download/

Clicking the NoteTaker.zip link there gets me
"Sorry, you don't have permission for that!"

But i found it (or at least something by that name) on Asimov:
ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II/images/productivity/ word_processing/Note.taker.dsk
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341560 is a reply to message #341544] Wed, 12 April 2017 10:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 12:06:21 AM UTC-6, Brian Patrie wrote:
> On 2017-04-10 14:06, Rob wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 11:54:49 PM UTC-6, Brian Patrie wrote:
>>> On 2017-04-09 12:42, Rob wrote:
>>>> If you want a small text editor/screen editor that works without
>>>> leaving the basic.system environment, I have one called notetaker.
>>>> It is only 4 kb in size and saves up to 10 screens full in a text
>>>> file. Doesn't have major features such as find/replace or
>>>> copy/paste, but excellent for jotting down quick notes and return
>>>> to the basic prompt.
>>>
>>> Sounds like the kind of thing i've been looking for for editing exec
>>> files. (My effort in AppleSoft is sucking.) Where might we find
>>> this critter?
>>
>> For the quick download you can get it here.
>>
>> http://atariage.com/forums/topic/264277-notetaker-download/
>
> Clicking the NoteTaker.zip link there gets me
> "Sorry, you don't have permission for that!"
>
> But i found it (or at least something by that name) on Asimov:
> ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II/images/productivity/ word_processing/Note.taker.dsk


I guess you have to log in. Somebody must have found it useful enough to upload it to Asimov.
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wrote in message
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On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 12:06:21 AM UTC-6, Brian Patrie wrote:
> On 2017-04-10 14:06, Rob wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 11:54:49 PM UTC-6, Brian Patrie wrote:
>>> On 2017-04-09 12:42, Rob wrote:
>>>> If you want a small text editor/screen editor that works without
>>>> leaving the basic.system environment, I have one called notetaker.
>>>> It is only 4 kb in size and saves up to 10 screens full in a text
>>>> file. Doesn't have major features such as find/replace or
>>>> copy/paste, but excellent for jotting down quick notes and return
>>>> to the basic prompt.
>>>
>>> Sounds like the kind of thing i've been looking for for editing exec
>>> files. (My effort in AppleSoft is sucking.) Where might we find
>>> this critter?
>>
>> For the quick download you can get it here.
>>
>> http://atariage.com/forums/topic/264277-notetaker-download/
>
> Clicking the NoteTaker.zip link there gets me
> "Sorry, you don't have permission for that!"
>
> But i found it (or at least something by that name) on Asimov:
> ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II/images/productivity/ word_processing/Note.taker.dsk

< > I guess you have to log in. Somebody must have found it useful enough
to upload it to Asimov.

‘ATARI’age does not appreciate even generic Apple II stuff on their site.

I ‘am’ a member of Atariage, and applied for a new membership, but still
could not get to the file.

Bill Garber * http://www.sepa-electronics.com *
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"Bill Garber" wrote in message news:oclf4c$n7f$1@dont-email.me...

wrote in message
news:65a99602-0969-4bc4-a8b7-d2235cda62e0@googlegroups.com...

On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 12:06:21 AM UTC-6, Brian Patrie wrote:
> On 2017-04-10 14:06, Rob wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 11:54:49 PM UTC-6, Brian Patrie wrote:
>>> On 2017-04-09 12:42, Rob wrote:
>>>> If you want a small text editor/screen editor that works without
>>>> leaving the basic.system environment, I have one called notetaker.
>>>> It is only 4 kb in size and saves up to 10 screens full in a text
>>>> file. Doesn't have major features such as find/replace or
>>>> copy/paste, but excellent for jotting down quick notes and return
>>>> to the basic prompt.
>>>
>>> Sounds like the kind of thing i've been looking for for editing exec
>>> files. (My effort in AppleSoft is sucking.) Where might we find
>>> this critter?
>>
>> For the quick download you can get it here.
>>
>> http://atariage.com/forums/topic/264277-notetaker-download/
>
> Clicking the NoteTaker.zip link there gets me
> "Sorry, you don't have permission for that!"
>
> But i found it (or at least something by that name) on Asimov:
> ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II/images/productivity/ word_processing/Note.taker.dsk

< > I guess you have to log in. Somebody must have found it useful enough
to upload it to Asimov.

‘ATARI’age does not appreciate even generic Apple II stuff on their site.

I ‘am’ a member of Atariage, and applied for a new membership, but still
could not get to the file.

Never mind, I hadn't yet verified my registration. It downloaded fine.

Bill Garber * http://www.sepa-electronics.com *
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On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 1:06:24 PM UTC-6, gid...@sasktel.net wrote:
> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 11:54:49 PM UTC-6, Brian Patrie wrote:
>> On 2017-04-09 12:42, Rob wrote:
>>> If you want a small text editor/screen editor that works without
>>> leaving the basic.system environment, I have one called notetaker.
>>> It is only 4 kb in size and saves up to 10 screens full in a text
>>> file. Doesn't have major features such as find/replace or
>>> copy/paste, but excellent for jotting down quick notes and return to
>>> the basic prompt.
>>
>> Sounds like the kind of thing i've been looking for for editing exec
>> files. (My effort in AppleSoft is sucking.) Where might we find this
>> critter?
>
>
> For the quick download you can get it here.
>
> http://atariage.com/forums/topic/264277-notetaker-download/


For anyone playing around with it, just a couple of notes.

It is an 80-col editor so does require to be in 80-col mode.

BUT, and this is a big BUT, the PR#3 command for initializing the 80-col screen was left out on purpose. The PR#3 command clears the text screen and this was not wanted for the reason why I wrote the program in the first place.

And that reason is, a lot of applesoft programs embed the instructions into the program. To make the program a lot smaller, I wanted the instructions as a separate text file that could be read with a command such as "TYPE game.instructs".

Notetaker will do that. It will save the text that is on the 80-col screen, without clearing it, when the program is first RUN.

With this in mind, here are some other ideas. CATALOG a volume, then run Notetaker to save the catalog to a text file.

Run a basic program in 80-col mode, display the instructions, type Ctrl-C to break out of basic program, run Notetaker to save instructions on screen to a text file.

List a basic program, then run Notetaker to save the part of the listing that is on the screen to a text file.

Go into the monitor and do a hex dump or ML listing, exit to applesoft prompt, use Notetaker to capture hex dump to a text file.

etc, etc.

One last note:
I don't know if the instructions are clear on special command mode, but, inserting or removing a line of text works. And, insert space and backspace delete are only a couple of lines of code away from being a reality.
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341585 is a reply to message #341570] Thu, 13 April 2017 08:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2017-04-12 20:34:07 +0000, gids.rs@sasktel.net said:

> For anyone playing around with it, just a couple of notes.


Thanks for writing this up. I have been playing around with it. Very
nice program!

One question: If I edit the screen, how do I get out of the editor? I
have read the instructions here and in the text file but it's not
jumping out at me (or I'm just missing it).
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341592 is a reply to message #341585] Thu, 13 April 2017 10:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 6:58:41 AM UTC-6, Mike Whalen wrote:
> On 2017-04-12 20:34:07 +0000, Rob said:
>
>> For anyone playing around with it, just a couple of notes.
>
>
> Thanks for writing this up. I have been playing around with it. Very
> nice program!
>
> One question: If I edit the screen, how do I get out of the editor? I
> have read the instructions here and in the text file but it's not
> jumping out at me (or I'm just missing it).


Press <ESC> then use the down arrow to get to the 23rd line. Then press the <RTN> key to get the Menu.

You can use the <RTN> key to get to the bottom of the screen as well, just remember it clears each line as you go down.

If you use the <ESC> sequence past the 23rd line, the screen will scroll up. If that happens, use the special command option to scroll the screen back down and re-type in the top lines.
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341619 is a reply to message #341533] Fri, 14 April 2017 01:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Brian Patrie

On 2017-04-11 19:28, Andrew Roughan wrote:
> Let me correct that for you
>
> 8:20 35 FD 20 ED FD 50 F8 8G

I felt that it needed an exit command. ^C seemed reasonable enough.

2F0: 20 35 FD 20 ED FD C9 83 D0 F6 60

(I moved it to $2F0 to make it dashable under BASIC.system.)
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341631 is a reply to message #341619] Fri, 14 April 2017 09:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2017-04-14 05:41:39 +0000, Brian Patrie said:

> (I moved it to $2F0 to make it dashable under BASIC.system.)

What does that mean?
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341679 is a reply to message #341631] Sat, 15 April 2017 03:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2017-04-14 08:29, ultramagnus_tcv wrote:
> On 2017-04-14 05:41:39 +0000, Brian Patrie said:
>
>> (I moved it to $2F0 to make it dashable under BASIC.system.)
>
> What does that mean?

Invocable with the - command (or BRUN for that matter).
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341696 is a reply to message #341679] Sat, 15 April 2017 10:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2017-04-15 07:50:55 +0000, Brian Patrie said:

> On 2017-04-14 08:29, ultramagnus_tcv wrote:
>> On 2017-04-14 05:41:39 +0000, Brian Patrie said:
>>
>>> (I moved it to $2F0 to make it dashable under BASIC.system.)
>>
>> What does that mean?
>
> Invocable with the - command (or BRUN for that matter).

Oh, okay. I think my question has more to do with why moving it to $2F0
makes it dashable? Sorry, I should have asked a more precise question.
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341754 is a reply to message #341696] Sun, 16 April 2017 08:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Brian Patrie

On 2017-04-15 09:24, ultramagnus_tcv wrote:
> On 2017-04-15 07:50:55 +0000, Brian Patrie said:
>
>> On 2017-04-14 08:29, ultramagnus_tcv wrote:
>>> On 2017-04-14 05:41:39 +0000, Brian Patrie said:
>>>
>>>> (I moved it to $2F0 to make it dashable under BASIC.system.)
>>>
>>> What does that mean?
>>
>> Invocable with the - command (or BRUN for that matter).
>
> Oh, okay. I think my question has more to do with why moving it to $2F0
> makes it dashable? Sorry, I should have asked a more precise question.

ProDOS marks zero-page as allocated, emoting a "no buffers available"
error, if you try to bload/brun/- something directly to it. Page $2 is
not so marked.
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341755 is a reply to message #341754] Sun, 16 April 2017 09:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2017-04-16 12:44:33 +0000, Brian Patrie said:

>> Oh, okay. I think my question has more to do with why moving it to $2F0
>> makes it dashable? Sorry, I should have asked a more precise question.
>
> ProDOS marks zero-page as allocated, emoting a "no buffers available"
> error, if you try to bload/brun/- something directly to it. Page $2 is
> not so marked.

Okay. I think I am getting it. So you put it at page $2, then saved it
to disk. Now that it's saved, whenever you invoke it, you launch it
with the "-" and it runs from $2f0. Is that right?

When you saved it, you saved it like so?

BSAVE Name,A$2F0,L$0B

Cheers,

m
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341770 is a reply to message #341533] Sun, 16 April 2017 09:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2017-04-12 00:28:34 +0000, Andrew Roughan said:

> Let me correct that for you
>
> 8:20 35 FD 20 ED FD 50 F8 8G

Andrew, this crashes upon first character entry. I'm on V][ emulating a //e.

Any idea why?
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On 2017-04-16 13:10:45 +0000, ultramagnus_tcv said:

> On 2017-04-16 12:44:33 +0000, Brian Patrie said:
>
>>> Oh, okay. I think my question has more to do with why moving it to $2F0
>>> makes it dashable? Sorry, I should have asked a more precise question.
>>
>> ProDOS marks zero-page as allocated, emoting a "no buffers available"
>> error, if you try to bload/brun/- something directly to it. Page $2 is
>> not so marked.
>
> Okay. I think I am getting it. So you put it at page $2, then saved it
> to disk. Now that it's saved, whenever you invoke it, you launch it
> with the "-" and it runs from $2f0. Is that right?
>
> When you saved it, you saved it like so?
>
> BSAVE Name,A$2F0,L$0B

AH, Paul H helped me with this. I think I disconnected DOS the first
time I tried and couldn't execute the command. Starting over, I had
tried the original program but didn't alter the last two bytes to
return back to the starting address.

Finally, I entered it properly and saved it. Works a treat.

m
Re: Very small ASCII editor in ProDOS? [message #341854 is a reply to message #341755] Mon, 17 April 2017 09:07 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Originally posted by: Brian Patrie

On 2017-04-16 08:10, ultramagnus_tcv wrote:
> On 2017-04-16 12:44:33 +0000, Brian Patrie said:
>
>>> Oh, okay. I think my question has more to do with why moving it to $2F0
>>> makes it dashable? Sorry, I should have asked a more precise question.
>>
>> ProDOS marks zero-page as allocated, emoting a "no buffers available"
>> error, if you try to bload/brun/- something directly to it. Page $2
>> is not so marked.
>
> Okay. I think I am getting it. So you put it at page $2, then saved it
> to disk. Now that it's saved, whenever you invoke it, you launch it with
> the "-" and it runs from $2f0. Is that right?

Exactly. (I'm rather fond of tucking things at the end of the GETLN
buffer (page $2) when it's not going to get used for anything else.)

> When you saved it, you saved it like so?
>
> BSAVE Name,A$2F0,L$0B

Yup.

It's still relocatable, btw, fwiw.
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