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The Commodore Combo [message #151798] Fri, 06 January 2006 02:01 Go to next message
Damian  Caynes is currently offline  Damian Caynes
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Ah, can Commodore get any more lame?

They've revealed this piece of shit at the CES:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28762

The Commodore Combo, approx. $700, clunky handheld that plays NES
games.

Argh.
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151800 is a reply to message #151798] Fri, 06 January 2006 02:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Slartibartfast wrote:
> Ah, can Commodore get any more lame?
>
> They've revealed this piece of shit at the CES:
>
> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28762
>
> The Commodore Combo, approx. $700, clunky handheld that plays NES
> games.
>
> Argh.
>

Were you there? Did you get to touch it, hear it, see it? What makes
it suck so bad? A review needs more than "they revealed this piece of
shit at CES."
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151801 is a reply to message #151800] Fri, 06 January 2006 02:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Payton Byrd wrote:
> Slartibartfast wrote:
>> Ah, can Commodore get any more lame?
>>
>> They've revealed this piece of shit at the CES:
>>
>> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28762
>>
>> The Commodore Combo, approx. $700, clunky handheld that plays NES
>> games.
>>
>> Argh.
>>
>
> Were you there? Did you get to touch it, hear it, see it? What makes
> it suck so bad? A review needs more than "they revealed this piece of
> shit at CES."

No, it doesn't. Commodore releases a SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLAR pmp, that is
as ugly as sin, that plays NES games.

You like? You retard.
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151803 is a reply to message #151801] Fri, 06 January 2006 02:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Slartibartfast" <idigital@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Payton Byrd wrote:
>> Slartibartfast wrote:
>>> Ah, can Commodore get any more lame?
>>>
>>> They've revealed this piece of shit at the CES:
>>>
>>> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28762
>>>
>>> The Commodore Combo, approx. $700, clunky handheld that plays NES
>>> games.
>>>
>>> Argh.
>>>
>>
>> Were you there? Did you get to touch it, hear it, see it? What makes
>> it suck so bad? A review needs more than "they revealed this piece of
>> shit at CES."
>
> No, it doesn't. Commodore releases a SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLAR pmp, that is
> as ugly as sin, that plays NES games.
>
> You like? You retard.

We don't have enough info to like or dislike it. To make informed
decisions, we need
objective reviews. An objective review lists both good and bad points about
a system.
If only bad points are listed, that tells us more about the reviewer and
his/her biases
than it does the system. Opinions of reviewers that are biased carry little
weight in most
people's buying decisions. At least try to maintain a semblance of
objectivity.

Tom Lake
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151804 is a reply to message #151803] Fri, 06 January 2006 02:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tom Lake wrote:
> "Slartibartfast" <idigital@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1136533677.317559.295250@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Payton Byrd wrote:
>>> Slartibartfast wrote:
>>>> Ah, can Commodore get any more lame?
>>>>
>>>> They've revealed this piece of shit at the CES:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28762
>>>>
>>>> The Commodore Combo, approx. $700, clunky handheld that plays NES
>>>> games.
>>>>
>>>> Argh.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Were you there? Did you get to touch it, hear it, see it? What makes
>>> it suck so bad? A review needs more than "they revealed this piece of
>>> shit at CES."
>>
>> No, it doesn't. Commodore releases a SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLAR pmp, that is
>> as ugly as sin, that plays NES games.
>>
>> You like? You retard.
>
> We don't have enough info to like or dislike it. To make informed
> decisions, we need
> objective reviews. An objective review lists both good and bad points about
> a system.
> If only bad points are listed, that tells us more about the reviewer and
> his/her biases
> than it does the system. Opinions of reviewers that are biased carry little
> weight in most
> people's buying decisions. At least try to maintain a semblance of
> objectivity.

Gawd, how retarded can you idiots be?

I wasn't posting a review.

I was posting a link to a news item.

I'll form whatever opinions I like about a Commodore handheld that only
plays NES games, thanks very much.

Jeez, fanboi wierdos.
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151806 is a reply to message #151801] Fri, 06 January 2006 03:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: agila61

Slartibartfast wrote:

> No, it doesn't. Commodore releases a SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLAR pmp, that is
> as ugly as sin, that plays NES games.

Are you kidding. SEVEN HUNDRED WHOLE DOLLARS for a GPS, PDA and
personal media player? Why, you can get that from someone else for ...

well, I don't know the suggested retail price for something similar
from someone else. I'm not interested in GPS, so I haven't been
following that market. But if you were a regular traveller, it could
come in handy.

Could you go look up all the 20Gb hard drive Windows CE GPS and pmp
systems, and let us know how much extra the ability to play NES games
is adding to the system? If the NES games are basically coming for
free unless you buy the added games, why get your knickers in a twist?
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151812 is a reply to message #151804] Fri, 06 January 2006 03:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Slartibartfast" <idigital@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> We don't have enough info to like or dislike it. To make informed
>> decisions, we need
>> objective reviews. An objective review lists both good and bad points
>> about
>> a system.
>> If only bad points are listed, that tells us more about the reviewer and
>> his/her biases
>> than it does the system. Opinions of reviewers that are biased carry
>> little
>> weight in most
>> people's buying decisions. At least try to maintain a semblance of
>> objectivity.

Slarti's point is that it plays "NES games". HOWEVER, I would want to be
sure it isn't NES games. However, from what it looks, it will be VERY easy
to change it to play Commodore games. It may very well be Commodore games
and someone said NES games being that the person did not realize that they
are C= games and assumed NES.

It is all just emulation so it aint a big deal. However, the prices of C=
products other than the DTV should be 1/2 the price. They should cut the
prices in half.

> Gawd, how retarded can you idiots be?
>
> I wasn't posting a review.
>
> I was posting a link to a news item.
>
> I'll form whatever opinions I like about a Commodore handheld that only
> plays NES games, thanks very much.
>
> Jeez, fanboi wierdos.
>
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151813 is a reply to message #151812] Fri, 06 January 2006 04:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rick Balkins wrote:

> Slarti's point is that it plays "NES games". HOWEVER, I would want to be
> sure it isn't NES games. However, from what it looks, it will be VERY easy
> to change it to play Commodore games. It may very well be Commodore games
> and someone said NES games being that the person did not realize that they
> are C= games and assumed NES.

A reporter from the CES is pointing out the release details NES games
built in, quite likely it's the same cheap chinese tech used in similar
devices. Hell, checkout some of the crap out of china, even toasters
can play NES games just about.

> It is all just emulation so it aint a big deal. However, the prices of C=
> products other than the DTV should be 1/2 the price. They should cut the
> prices in half.

The MOST that can be hoped for, is Commodore's lame fork of Frodo they
already sell, it's far from perfect.

You can buy a GP2X or a PSP and get VICE emulation, much better than
anything Commodore can offer.

They could have used DTV tech, sadly not.

Yes, it's also a GPS unit that runs on WinCE and has a touch screen,
but who the fuck cares.

This is overpriced cheap crap from Commodore, and I'm extremely
disappointed that Commodore are promoting it as having the bonus of
playing NES games.

I guess even they realise they're crappy emulator, Pocket Commodore or
whatever it's called, is also a piece of shit.

Anyone have a problem with my opinion? Whatever.

At least Rick can put forward some kind of constructive argument.
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151814 is a reply to message #151804] Fri, 06 January 2006 04:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> I'll form whatever opinions I like about a Commodore handheld that only
> plays NES games, thanks very much.

No one implied that you don't have the right to form your own opinions.
If, however, you insist on expressing your opinions in such a crude fashion,
they will be dismissed by rational people as immature whining rather than
a valid, logical opinion. Since we don't know you, the only means we have
to gauge your character is your writing. You may ask, "Who are all of you
to
judge me?" Each one of us is judged every day by everyone with whom we
come in contact. If it's a face-to-face meeting, we're judged by our
appearance.
If it's an audio contact such as the telephone, we're judged by the sound of
our
voice. If, as in this case, the contact is written, then that's the only
means available.
You may say that this isn't fair and it shouldn't be that way. Welcome to
the
real world where, like it or not, that's the way it is.

Tom Lake
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151815 is a reply to message #151814] Fri, 06 January 2006 04:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tom Lake wrote:
>> I'll form whatever opinions I like about a Commodore handheld that only
>> plays NES games, thanks very much.
>
> No one implied that you don't have the right to form your own opinions.
> If, however, you insist on expressing your opinions in such a crude fashion,
> they will be dismissed by rational people as immature whining rather than
> a valid, logical opinion. Since we don't know you, the only means we have
> to gauge your character is your writing. You may ask, "Who are all of you
> to
> judge me?" Each one of us is judged every day by everyone with whom we
> come in contact. If it's a face-to-face meeting, we're judged by our
> appearance.
> If it's an audio contact such as the telephone, we're judged by the sound of
> our
> voice. If, as in this case, the contact is written, then that's the only
> means available.
> You may say that this isn't fair and it shouldn't be that way. Welcome to
> the
> real world where, like it or not, that's the way it is.
>
> Tom Lake

Thanks for the off-topic ranting, wierdo.
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151820 is a reply to message #151813] Fri, 06 January 2006 05:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Lyrical Nanoha

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, Slartibartfast wrote:

> This is overpriced cheap crap from Commodore, and I'm extremely
> disappointed that Commodore are promoting it as having the bonus of
> playing NES games.
>
> I guess even they realise they're crappy emulator, Pocket Commodore or
> whatever it's called, is also a piece of shit.
>
> Anyone have a problem with my opinion? Whatever.
>
> At least Rick can put forward some kind of constructive argument.

I swear, if I could afford it I'd buy out C= just to save them from
themselves.

-uso.>
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151823 is a reply to message #151798] Fri, 06 January 2006 05:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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With all the typos and the "The company is now based in the Netherlands"
(isn't Yeahronimo out of California?) line, it really makes me doubt
anything there. And what's with the "innovative kiosk-based content
delivery model" in Europe? I don't think I've heard about that.

The specs are also completely different than what you read if you google for
Comodore Combo, but the other articles seem to be before the actual release.

I don't think there's enough on it to know what to think, but it's
definitely not something I'm in the market for.

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Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151825 is a reply to message #151823] Fri, 06 January 2006 06:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> The specs are also completely different than what you read if you google
> for
> Comodore Combo, but the other articles seem to be before the actual
> release.
>
> I don't think there's enough on it to know what to think, but it's
> definitely not something I'm in the market for.

I agree. Why they chose to run NES games instead of Commodore games
is beyond me. They already own the rights to the name. Wouldn't that
lead you to believe they have the intellectual property rights as well?

Tom Lake
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151828 is a reply to message #151825] Fri, 06 January 2006 06:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I agree. Why they chose to run NES games instead of Commodore games
> is beyond me. They already own the rights to the name. Wouldn't that
> lead you to believe they have the intellectual property rights as well?

Unless you're talking about actual Commodore-released games (IIRC
International Soccer, Jupiter Lander, Lemonade Stand, etc), no. They had to
go scrounging to get the licenses for the DTV games (though there's no
reason they couldn't have pulled from that pool of games for this Combo
thing, if in fact it does have NES capability), and Jeri created all of the
tech IP for it (DTV (?TOO MANY PARENS ERROR)).

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Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151829 is a reply to message #151825] Fri, 06 January 2006 06:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tom Lake wrote:
>> The specs are also completely different than what you read if you google
>> for
>> Comodore Combo, but the other articles seem to be before the actual
>> release.
>>
>> I don't think there's enough on it to know what to think, but it's
>> definitely not something I'm in the market for.
>
> I agree. Why they chose to run NES games instead of Commodore games
> is beyond me. They already own the rights to the name. Wouldn't that
> lead you to believe they have the intellectual property rights as well?

Owning the rights to the Commodore name doesn't give them any rights
over 99% of games released for the Commodore. Ironstone licensed some
Hewson and Epyx titles, the majority of classics of the c64 are still
in the hands of their respective owners, some of whom are now owned by
very big companies.

So no, Commodore International today don't have the rights to many c64
games.

As well, they'd be using the Pocket Commodore emulator based on Frodo
for any c64 titles on that device, and it is far from perfect.

The NES games in a PMP/GPS device, well, I've seen *very* similar specs
for cheap chinese made technology. This could quite easily be based on
something like that. Devices that have a built in function to play NES
games are a dime a dozen in china.

Also, you're still a twonk for claiming I was "reviewing" the device in
my post. Think before posting next time.
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151837 is a reply to message #151813] Fri, 06 January 2006 07:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Slartibartfast <idigital@gmail.com> wrote:

> At least Rick can put forward some kind of constructive argument.

amazing eh??!12

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Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151841 is a reply to message #151803] Fri, 06 January 2006 09:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thus spoke Tom Lake:
> At least try to maintain a semblance of objectivity.

You're asking too much of the poor chap.
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151843 is a reply to message #151815] Fri, 06 January 2006 09:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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* "Slartibartfast" <idigital@gmail.com> wrote:
|
| Thanks for the off-topic ranting, wierdo.

"Weirdo" is the word you're looking for, I believe.

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Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151849 is a reply to message #151843] Fri, 06 January 2006 11:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: chambers

Actually, if the thing wasn't so expensive I would consider purchasing
one. My family is big on GPS gear. Add in the fact that I do a lot of
running around on foot for work and my CD player is broken, the mp3
feature would be nice. I agree that the nes part is lame (in my
opinion).. Would be nice to have a C= emulator/dtv tech of some sort
built into it.
You could be on the road then, and show people previews of the new SAW
war demo and stuff.. :P
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151863 is a reply to message #151825] Fri, 06 January 2006 14:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I agree. Why they chose to run NES games instead of Commodore games
> is beyond me. They already own the rights to the name. Wouldn't that
> lead you to believe they have the intellectual property rights as well?
>
> Tom Lake

True, they might have stuck NES games on the prototype BUT they could easily
put a C64 emulator on it and have some C64 games. If they really got some
balls - they can modify a c64 emulator to be able to run DTV v1 & DTV v2.
Top it off with reducing the price of their product line in half (the DTV is
just fine - right now) and reduce the price of this unit to $350. They might
have something. If the emulator implements a 'Napster'-like sub-software to
download more 'DTV' games for say $1.00 and these games are stored on
'diskimages of the Flash ROM or some large 2,4,8 or 16 MB disk image. All
they need to do is get working on it and get a bunch of people to work on
the games.

Hell, Bayliss can make 5 games in say 6 months. Mostly shitty games but
still. 5 crew of say 5-10 people each can possibly get 5 games that are
reasonably decent done in say 6 months. Not impossible but just unlikely. I
been across this concept with Slarti and it is not whether it can or can't
be done. It is about whether they would do it or not do it. A 6th crew would
be doing the emulator up. Release the unit in - say in December at $350. Do
some work on the mould and all to make it look a bit nicer and for sake, why
those tiny micro circular D-pads. What F***ing human has finger with a max
diameter of 0.25". We aren't 1 year olds. I had enough trouble controlling
those buttons on a digital camera. Have to use the tip of my finger nails.
How the heck is that going to be helpful in a game. Why not have a Sega
Genesis like D-Pad.
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151865 is a reply to message #151829] Fri, 06 January 2006 14:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Slartibartfast" <idigital@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Owning the rights to the Commodore name doesn't give them any rights
> over 99% of games released for the Commodore. Ironstone licensed some
> Hewson and Epyx titles, the majority of classics of the c64 are still
> in the hands of their respective owners, some of whom are now owned by
> very big companies.
>
> So no, Commodore International today don't have the rights to many c64
> games.

For the same VERY reason, they don't have rights to the games for the NES.
NES games are copyrighted by their respective copyright holder. EVERY single
game except for the ORIGINAL games copyrighted by Commodore is NOT owned by
Commodore International Corporation. Therefore, they are licensed.

> As well, they'd be using the Pocket Commodore emulator based on Frodo
> for any c64 titles on that device, and it is far from perfect.

true. They however could go or have gone the extra mile or plan/planned to
make an emulator that supports the DTV v1 & v2 with more correct color and
luma as it should. The emu, doesn't have to perfect. Just has to play the
games they put in. However, free upgrade option should be available such as
patches that would make the emu more compatible.

> The NES games in a PMP/GPS device, well, I've seen *very* similar specs
> for cheap chinese made technology. This could quite easily be based on
> something like that. Devices that have a built in function to play NES
> games are a dime a dozen in china.

Maybe for the unit they showed. I'd still await to see if they REALLY will
have NES games or C64 games. Didn't say what the games were.

> Also, you're still a twonk for claiming I was "reviewing" the device in
> my post. Think before posting next time.

I don't. You reviewed an article about a device that was reviewed by someone
else and made an opinion of the device from it. That is all. I don't think
any more is needed to be said by anyone here about Slarti reviewing
anything.
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151874 is a reply to message #151865] Fri, 06 January 2006 16:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It honestly does look like more prostitution of the Commodore brand
name. A Windows CE machine with the Chickhead logo is an insult to
the history of Commodore. I hope I live long enough to see the
Commodore name and logo purchased by a collective of us who love the
machine so that it may finally rest in peace.

The machine looks cool and all, but really doesn't look like it
measures up to the high standards of this brand.

Oldbitcollector
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151876 is a reply to message #151874] Fri, 06 January 2006 16:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Oldbitcollector" <jeffledger@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> It honestly does look like more prostitution of the Commodore brand
> name. A Windows CE machine with the Chickhead logo is an insult to
> the history of Commodore. I hope I live long enough to see the
> Commodore name and logo purchased by a collective of us who love the
> machine so that it may finally rest in peace.

I'm not bitching so much about the CE but then again, it wasn't the first
time either. The Web.It used CE on the later production runs of it. My main
bitch is that they should have Commodore games not NES games on the unit. At
least on the ones that are produced and sold to consumers. The units shown
at CES are probably proto-units. If to press the envelope of time, I would
think having a good DTV emulator (not hardware - take too much physical
space) in it would be nice. Oh yeah, have faithful color and sound based on
previous emulation work. It is just a matter of modifying the emu further
for the additional features in the video, sound and blitter. In such a case,
many of us might be more interested in the unit.

The second bitch it that the price should be half the current price and they
should reduce prices of all their other products from their online store to
half their current price. Touch screen LCDs are expensive but not that
expensive. There is touch screen on units for under $300. The touch screen
part isn't expensive as they have them on even cheaper LCDs for cheap under
$100 units. In volume the touch-screen LCD isn't that big a deal in cost.
Probably about 15-20% of the unit's manufacturing cost. The rest of it is
the harddrive and the electronics.

> The machine looks cool and all, but really doesn't look like it
> measures up to the high standards of this brand.

They can make a nicer plastic mould. Add some more "Commodore" into it and
reduce price somewhat. They might have something.
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151877 is a reply to message #151865] Fri, 06 January 2006 16:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rick Balkins wrote:

> I don't. You reviewed an article about a device that was reviewed by someone
> else and made an opinion of the device from it. That is all. I don't think
> any more is needed to be said by anyone here about Slarti reviewing
> anything.

Argh, I didn't review anything. I posted a link to a news item and my
opinion of it :P
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151878 is a reply to message #151798] Fri, 06 January 2006 17:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Damian  Caynes is currently offline  Damian Caynes
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Another report on this piece of shit, this time from Gizmodo:

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/ces/live-from-ces-commodore-c rap-pt-1-147042.php

Are they trustworthy enough to evaluate this thing as a completely
retarded concept?
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151884 is a reply to message #151874] Fri, 06 January 2006 18:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael J. Schülke is currently offline  Michael J. Schülke
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Oldbitcollector wrote:
> It honestly does look like more prostitution of the Commodore brand
> name. A Windows CE machine with the Chickhead logo is an insult to
> the history of Commodore.

Errm... Why? Commodore made PCs back in the day -- the first time I saw
Windows (version 2) was on a PC 40 -- and if Commodore was "alive"
today, they certainly would be making PCs like everybody else.

> The machine looks cool and all, but really doesn't look like it
> measures up to the high standards of this brand.

I.e., inexpensive low-end mass market products?

Commodore's strength wasn't technological innovation or excellence.
Commodore succeeded by delivering a product that was a little better
than the competition in the home user segment, for a little less. The
two major milestones in the Commodore line-up -- the PET and the Amiga
1000 -- were both developed by other companies that were subsequently
bought by Commodore. And even they didn't represent anything
fundamentally new -- they "just" brought the price down to home user
levels.

Michael
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151886 is a reply to message #151884] Fri, 06 January 2006 18:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Michael J. Schülke wrote:
> Oldbitcollector wrote:
>> It honestly does look like more prostitution of the Commodore brand
>> name. A Windows CE machine with the Chickhead logo is an insult to
>> the history of Commodore.
>
> Errm... Why? Commodore made PCs back in the day -- the first time I saw
> Windows (version 2) was on a PC 40 -- and if Commodore was "alive"
> today, they certainly would be making PCs like everybody else.
>
>> The machine looks cool and all, but really doesn't look like it
>> measures up to the high standards of this brand.
>
> I.e., inexpensive low-end mass market products?

$700US is not inexpensive.
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151887 is a reply to message #151886] Fri, 06 January 2006 18:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Slartibartfast wrote:
>> I.e., inexpensive low-end mass market products?
>
> $700US is not inexpensive.

No. Inexpensive low-end mass market products is what Commodore used to
make.

Michael
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151889 is a reply to message #151887] Fri, 06 January 2006 18:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Michael J. Schülke wrote:
> Slartibartfast wrote:
>>> I.e., inexpensive low-end mass market products?
>>
>> $700US is not inexpensive.
>
> No. Inexpensive low-end mass market products is what Commodore used to
> make.

Correct. Now a completely different company using the same name makes
products that are overpriced and have no market. All three of the CES
products are clearly doomed.

Remember Commodore don't make the DTV.
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151891 is a reply to message #151887] Fri, 06 January 2006 18:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Like the DTV(s)? :)

Oldbitcollector
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151893 is a reply to message #151876] Fri, 06 January 2006 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> The second bitch it that the price should be half the current price

Let us know when you find a GPS navagator at the ~$350 pricepoint
loaded with maps (lol MapSource et.al.) and isn't skimping on the
patent royalties. Add the licence costs for WinCE to that as well.
Less versatile NAV systems from Garmin and Magellan start at the
AUS$900 mark.

--
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Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151898 is a reply to message #151893] Fri, 06 January 2006 20:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:29:07 +1100, Chris Baird
<abuse@brushtail.apana.org.au> wrote:

>> The second bitch it that the price should be half the current price
>
> Let us know when you find a GPS navagator at the ~$350 pricepoint
> loaded with maps (lol MapSource et.al.) and isn't skimping on the
> patent royalties. Add the licence costs for WinCE to that as well.
> Less versatile NAV systems from Garmin and Magellan start at the
> AUS$900 mark.

Huh ?? I paid just on $800 for my Navman PIN which is a CE based device
with built in GPS and SmartST navigation software, mains power charger, car
charger, in vehicle mount and carry case. And it runs Pocket C64 v1.5 with
many of my favourite games very nicely.

If this new device from Commodore is US$799 then it's easily going to be
over the AU$1000.

But US or AU dollars aside, where is the old Commodore mantra of Computers
for the masses, not the classes?

Mike
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151902 is a reply to message #151898] Fri, 06 January 2006 20:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mike Paull wrote:


> But US or AU dollars aside, where is the old Commodore mantra of Computers
> for the masses, not the classes?

The new owners misread it. They thought it said for the classes, not the
masses.
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151903 is a reply to message #151893] Fri, 06 January 2006 20:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's nothing more than a PDA with an HD and a GPS software.
Perhaps with the GPS stuff, perhaps it is pricy because of that - however,
there are GPS units for less. The Windows CE license, isn't a big deal.
However,
maybe this unit can be priced well at $525 USD. Then again, most of the
other
Commodore products they have should be priced at half their current price to
be
competitive.

Here is some GPS Navigators... http://www.ascscientific.com/gpspersl.html
However, if you want loaded maps, you can get the maps off the terraserver
'free'. Load it into the machines as a bitmap overlay. I'll say in this
case, $700 might be an interesting deal when counting all the functions but
throw in a C64/64DTV emulator and some games would be good. They can do that
much. Have a USB slot of some sort for a keyboard and I might be interested
in buying the unit. Given it is a GPS Navigator and PDA in one and perhaps
even a DTV as well in one. (not hardware, just emulation. - not enough
physical room for the hardware.)

Note any PDA with a 20 GB HD for under $500. So perhaps, I might be
interested. A little more work on the plastic housing and color scheme might
make it a little more prettier. It is however a rugged looking unit and that
is probably good. Without raising the price any, they should be able to
package an emulator. Just cuts from profit margin a tiny bit but make it
more reasonable for us. I'd might buy one if they put a DTV emulator.

"Chris Baird" <abuse@brushtail.apana.org.au> wrote in message
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>> The second bitch it that the price should be half the current price
>
> Let us know when you find a GPS navagator at the ~$350 pricepoint
> loaded with maps (lol MapSource et.al.) and isn't skimping on the
> patent royalties. Add the licence costs for WinCE to that as well.
> Less versatile NAV systems from Garmin and Magellan start at the
> AUS$900 mark.
>
> --
> Chris
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151904 is a reply to message #151889] Fri, 06 January 2006 21:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Slartibartfast wrote:
> Michael J. Schülke wrote:

>> No. Inexpensive low-end mass market products is what Commodore used to
>> make.

> Correct.

So what would "the high standards of Commodore" (Oldbitcollector's
statement in response to which I originally wrote the above) be?

> Now a completely different company using the same name makes
> products that are overpriced and have no market. All three of the CES
> products are clearly doomed.

Your point being?

Michael
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151905 is a reply to message #151903] Fri, 06 January 2006 21:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rick Balkins wrote:
> It's nothing more than a PDA with an HD and a GPS software.
> Perhaps with the GPS stuff, perhaps it is pricy because of that - however,
> there are GPS units for less. The Windows CE license, isn't a big deal.

It wouldn't be the Windows CE license itself, it would be the ability
to access Office documents.

Googling around I saw somewhere a similar unit (GPS, 20Gb HD, pmp) for
around $100 less. I don't recall whether the other unit had CE (or a
Palm system, which is the other PDA system that supports software to
read Office documents), or whether its "PDA" was just built-in address
book etc.

But the other unit looked a lot sleeker.
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151942 is a reply to message #151806] Sat, 07 January 2006 04:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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agila61@netscape.net wrote:
> Slartibartfast wrote:
>
>> No, it doesn't. Commodore releases a SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLAR pmp, that is
>> as ugly as sin, that plays NES games.
>
> Are you kidding. SEVEN HUNDRED WHOLE DOLLARS for a GPS, PDA and
> personal media player? Why, you can get that from someone else for ...
>
> well, I don't know the suggested retail price for something similar
> from someone else. I'm not interested in GPS, so I haven't been
> following that market. But if you were a regular traveller, it could
> come in handy.
>
> Could you go look up all the 20Gb hard drive Windows CE GPS and pmp
> systems, and let us know how much extra the ability to play NES games
> is adding to the system? If the NES games are basically coming for
> free unless you buy the added games, why get your knickers in a twist?

Why bother posting a stupid message, retard?
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151943 is a reply to message #151849] Sat, 07 January 2006 05:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> Actually, if the thing wasn't so expensive I would consider
> purchasing one.

I'm thinking a Gamepark GP2X will be more to my liking-- it has 'all the
essentials' as a hackable portable dream machine, and fulfill most of
the expectations I think the other people here have for such a system.
And it's about a third of the price of the Combo. It's just a matter of
waiting/hoping they'll be sold in Australia without the bother of
international ordering..

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Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151944 is a reply to message #151849] Sat, 07 January 2006 05:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Like I said, however a 64 & DTV emulator which emulates the released DTVs &
Hummer units (with fixed colors of course) and include games on them.

The benefit of running it via emulation than via hardware is that there
would not be any additional hardware cost. The DTV board is too big to be
fitted in what little space would be available inside the unit's plastic
housing. I might try to get them to at least look seriously into having the
emulator package. This would make the unit again - more 'Commodore'.
Besides, what the heck does Commodore have to do with NES. Despite the same
microprocessor technology, they were in two completely seperate software
world. The NES had its world of followers and Commodore had theirs and the
software line was completely independent of each other.

<chambers@compmore.net> wrote in message
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> Actually, if the thing wasn't so expensive I would consider purchasing
> one. My family is big on GPS gear. Add in the fact that I do a lot of
> running around on foot for work and my CD player is broken, the mp3
> feature would be nice. I agree that the nes part is lame (in my
> opinion).. Would be nice to have a C= emulator/dtv tech of some sort
> built into it.
> You could be on the road then, and show people previews of the new SAW
> war demo and stuff.. :P
>
Re: The Commodore Combo [message #151945 is a reply to message #151806] Sat, 07 January 2006 05:28 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Agila, NES game roms are available for free download if you look in the
right places and it won't be hard to find the download sites. I even got
SNES games too free and the emu for them both. Given that I do like the NES.
I just don't see the connection between Commodore and Nintendo unless they
became one company. However, I don't mind the NES games but I expect more
from Commodore from the Commodore line of stuff - meaning Commodore games.
Throw in 30 games from the Commodore line and maybe leave the 5 Nintendo
games. However - if they were to have some NES game - Guardian Legend was a
good one and should have that one. In terms of games, Commodore games is
mandatory. They are Commodore. NES games should be consider an option.

That is the bottom line.

<agila61@netscape.net> wrote in message
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>
> Slartibartfast wrote:
>
>> No, it doesn't. Commodore releases a SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLAR pmp, that is
>> as ugly as sin, that plays NES games.
>
> Are you kidding. SEVEN HUNDRED WHOLE DOLLARS for a GPS, PDA and
> personal media player? Why, you can get that from someone else for ...
>
> well, I don't know the suggested retail price for something similar
> from someone else. I'm not interested in GPS, so I haven't been
> following that market. But if you were a regular traveller, it could
> come in handy.
>
> Could you go look up all the 20Gb hard drive Windows CE GPS and pmp
> systems, and let us know how much extra the ability to play NES games
> is adding to the system? If the NES games are basically coming for
> free unless you buy the added games, why get your knickers in a twist?
>
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