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The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147776] Thu, 15 December 2005 22:39 Go to next message
dunric is currently offline  dunric
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1. Best selling computer of all time.
2. VIC-II/SID ship.
3. Thousands upon thousands of programs.
4. BBSs.
5. The most popular computer of all time.

Paul
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147779 is a reply to message #147776] Thu, 15 December 2005 23:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Brotha G

Paul raps

> 1. Best selling computer of all time.
> 2. VIC-II/SID ship.
> 3. Thousands upon thousands of programs.
> 4. BBSs.
> 5. The most popular computer of all time.

It fizzle warms tha cockles of mah heart

http://64.istheshit.net/

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Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147781 is a reply to message #147776] Thu, 15 December 2005 23:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> 1. Best selling computer of all time.
> 2. VIC-II/SID ship.
> 3. Thousands upon thousands of programs.
> 4. BBSs.
> 5. The most popular computer of all time.

It also:

1. makes you look 10 years younger
2. goes well with peanut butter
3. cleans floors, counter tops, and windows streak-free
4. Disinfects, and de-oderizes.
5. Comes with a money-back guarantee
6. all for 4 easy payments of $19.99
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147782 is a reply to message #147781] Fri, 16 December 2005 00:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"David Murray" <spamsucks@stopspam.com> wrote in message
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>
>> 1. Best selling computer of all time.
>> 2. VIC-II/SID ship.
>> 3. Thousands upon thousands of programs.
>> 4. BBSs.
>> 5. The most popular computer of all time.
>
> It also:
>
> 1. makes you look 10 years younger
> 2. goes well with peanut butter
> 3. cleans floors, counter tops, and windows streak-free
> 4. Disinfects, and de-oderizes.
> 5. Comes with a money-back guarantee
> 6. all for 4 easy payments of $19.99

And you can barbeque a goat on the power supply!
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Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147783 is a reply to message #147782] Fri, 16 December 2005 00:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
David Murray is currently offline  David Murray
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>> 6. all for 4 easy payments of $19.99
>
> And you can barbeque a goat on the power supply!

Actually, you can use a modern PC for that. I saw a website once (tried to
find the link, but alas, I couldn't) where it showed 10 things to do with
that old PC. There was the fish tank, the hamster cage, etc. But my
favorite one was where a guy had the side off of it, sitting on a stump and
filled with charcoal while bar-b-que'ing shish-ka-bab's over the fire. I
laughed my butt off when I saw that. I mean, I work in a computer store
and everyday people bring in these old computers (IE: 486, pentium 75,
etc..) and ask me "what can I do with this?" I'll usually roll off quite a
few uses like "Well, you can use it as a door stop, or a boat anchor, or
put it behind the tire of your car when you're changing the oil, use it for
a step stool, or a camping chair, target practice with your REAL gun, a
foot stool in the living room, a night-stand, the larger ones can make good
coffee tables, etc.." I can go on for like an hour with uses for an old
computer.. People just stare at my like I'm nuts. Then they will sort of
insinuate that they are wanting to use it for some kind of computer related
task like running Office XP or something. So I tell them, "Oh.. its no
good as a computer, but it can doo all those other things." But now I also
get to mention that it can be a bar-b-que grill or a hamster cage, and
stuff like that.
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147786 is a reply to message #147776] Fri, 16 December 2005 02:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: George Nakos

On 15 Dec 2005 19:39:13 -0800, dunric@yahoo.com wrote:

> 1. Best selling computer of all time.
> 2. VIC-II/SID ship.
> 3. Thousands upon thousands of programs.
> 4. BBSs.
> 5. The most popular computer of all time.
>
> Paul

Um, ok, your opinion. Why post it here? And why cross-post? Is this
another try at making a huge thread that makes no sense at all?

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Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147787 is a reply to message #147786] Fri, 16 December 2005 03:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Lyrical Nanoha

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005, George Nakos wrote:

<Kersnippety!>

> Um, ok, your opinion. Why post it here? And why cross-post? Is this
> another try at making a huge thread that makes no sense at all?

Because Paul Panks is a kook, as most of comp.sys.cbm can attest.

-uso.
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147788 is a reply to message #147787] Fri, 16 December 2005 03:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lyrical Nanoha wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005, George Nakos wrote:
>
> <Kersnippety!>
>
>> Um, ok, your opinion. Why post it here? And why cross-post? Is this
>> another try at making a huge thread that makes no sense at all?
>
> Because Paul Panks is a kook, as most of comp.sys.cbm can attest.
>
> -uso.

I've been posting in comp.sys.cbm since 1995. Only 3-4 posts that I've
made in 10 years fall under those "kooky" guidelines. The rest are CBM
related. Google it up if you don't believe me. Search from 1995 to
2005.

Paul
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147790 is a reply to message #147787] Fri, 16 December 2005 04:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lyrical Nanoha wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005, George Nakos wrote:
>
> <Kersnippety!>
>
>> Um, ok, your opinion. Why post it here? And why cross-post? Is this
>> another try at making a huge thread that makes no sense at all?
>
> Because Paul Panks is a kook, as most of comp.sys.cbm can attest.

I can imagine. Do any of his posts relate to adventure games, in particular
trying to beg someone to do a C64 port of his adventure?

D.
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147797 is a reply to message #147776] Fri, 16 December 2005 05:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Bohus Král

> 1. Best selling computer of all time.
> 2. VIC-II/SID ship.
> 3. Thousands upon thousands of programs.
> 4. BBSs.
> 5. The most popular computer of all time.

1. Ugly graphics.
2. Ugly slow without sprites.
3. Ugly case.
4. Ugly name.
5. Ugly users :-)

B
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147908 is a reply to message #147776] Fri, 16 December 2005 05:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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dunric@yahoo.com did eloquently scribble:
>
>
> 1. Best selling computer of all time.

Bullshit

> 2. VIC-II/SID ship.

Yawn

> 3. Thousands upon thousands of programs.

Big deal, so what?

> 4. BBSs.

Yes, yes, still nothing special

> 5. The most popular computer of all time.

Hah!
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Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147909 is a reply to message #147786] Fri, 16 December 2005 05:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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George Nakos <ggn@atarirocks.org> did eloquently scribble:
>
>
> On 15 Dec 2005 19:39:13 -0800, dunric@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> 1. Best selling computer of all time.
>> 2. VIC-II/SID ship.
>> 3. Thousands upon thousands of programs.
>> 4. BBSs.
>> 5. The most popular computer of all time.
>>
>> Paul
>
> Um, ok, your opinion. Why post it here? And why cross-post? Is this
> another try at making a huge thread that makes no sense at all?

It is puzzling why comp.sys.atari.8bit keeps getting dragged into this.
The commode users are in denial and keep starting these threads because of
their insecurity.
(note: the threads over the past months were both started by non-css-ers)
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Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147910 is a reply to message #147776] Fri, 16 December 2005 05:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des 15 Dec 2005
19:39:13 -0800, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do comp.sys.sinclair,
yawatina tan reek esk dunric@yahoo.com fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

> 1. Best selling computer of all time.

Uh, I think more IBM-compatible PCs have been sold, you know.

> 2. VIC-II/SID ship.

Ships eh?

> 3. Thousands upon thousands of programs.

I have thousands upon thousands for other computers too.

> 4. BBSs.

Yes, and? The Spectrum had them too.

> 5. The most popular computer of all time.

"Popular" in what way? Also, "popular" != "better. Look at EA's console
games for proof of this.

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Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147913 is a reply to message #147910] Fri, 16 December 2005 06:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Nick Humphries, via obd

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005, deKay wrote:

> Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des 15 Dec 2005
> 19:39:13 -0800, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do comp.sys.sinclair,
> yawatina tan reek esk dunric@yahoo.com fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>> 5. The most popular computer of all time.
>
> "Popular" in what way? Also, "popular" != "better. Look at EA's console
> games for proof of this.

One thing I've never truly understood is this: if the C64 was so popular,
then why is the C64 retroscene so different in character to the Speccy
retroscene?

Vague question, I know, but still...

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Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147914 is a reply to message #147913] Fri, 16 December 2005 07:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:20:52 +0000, "Nick Humphries, via obd"
<nickjunk@egyptus.co.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005, deKay wrote:
>
>> Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des 15 Dec 2005
>> 19:39:13 -0800, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do comp.sys.sinclair,
>> yawatina tan reek esk dunric@yahoo.com fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>>
>>> 5. The most popular computer of all time.
>>
>> "Popular" in what way? Also, "popular" != "better. Look at EA's console
>> games for proof of this.
>
> One thing I've never truly understood is this: if the C64 was so popular,
> then why is the C64 retroscene so different in character to the Speccy
> retroscene?
>
> Vague question, I know, but still...

Do you mean as in not nearly as advanced in the retro scene? I know that sounds
like a flamebait comment, but I do look at the C64 retro scene, and it's tiny in
comparison.
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Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147916 is a reply to message #147783] Fri, 16 December 2005 09:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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David Murray wrote:

>
>>> 6. all for 4 easy payments of $19.99
>>
>> And you can barbeque a goat on the power supply!
>
> Actually, you can use a modern PC for that. I saw a website once
> (tried to find the link, but alas, I couldn't) where it showed 10
> things to do with that old PC. There was the fish tank, the hamster
> cage, etc. But my favorite one was where a guy had the side off of
> it, sitting on a stump and filled with charcoal while bar-b-que'ing
> shish-ka-bab's over the fire. I laughed my butt off when I saw that.
> I mean, I work in a computer store and everyday people bring in these
> old computers (IE: 486, pentium 75, etc..) and ask me "what can I do
> with this?" I'll usually roll off quite a few uses like "Well, you
> can use it as a door stop, or a boat anchor, or put it behind the
> tire of your car when you're changing the oil, use it for a step

I mean you have not the slightest idea what´s selling. The customers
you write about may think they are in a dream-store, after telling them
the uses for a 486. They only tried to check if you are even willing to
advise something useful. ;-)


I know 486 User in the Usenet and have refreshing conversation with....


Well, P75. I would suggest Win95 and Office 97. Not to mention the
plenty of (pssst abandon..) DOS Software. Dear Sir/Mam you should at
least keep your Door-Stop for such purposes. etc etc... and make one
over that and say: But don´t forget your P75 may be too fast for some
games, though Office and Co. makes no problem... but only office 95 or
97 (97 I would suggest you as it is still used by offices and can read
MS Office-files) ... after that he/she can get interest for a faster
machine capable to drive XP and OfficeXP. But the possibility is always
real, that he/she wanted no new computer at all, this time. But after
telling about Door-Stopps, Anker, Baerbque-Grill and Hamster-Cage I
don´t think that you will see this customer, in the same store, again.

Use you fantasy for interest and not for making something bad. At least
for selling more... :-) well? Right enough?



> stool, or a camping chair, target practice with your REAL gun, a foot
> stool in the living room, a night-stand, the larger ones can make
> good coffee tables, etc.." I can go on for like an hour with uses for
> an old computer.. People just stare at my like I'm nuts. Then they
> will sort of insinuate that they are wanting to use it for some kind
> of computer related task like running Office XP or something. So I
> tell them, "Oh.. its no good as a computer, but it can doo all those
> other things." But now I also get to mention that it can be a
> bar-b-que grill or a hamster cage, and stuff like that.

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Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147917 is a reply to message #147797] Fri, 16 December 2005 09:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bohus Král wrote:

> 1. Ugly graphics.
> 2. Ugly slow without sprites.
> 3. Ugly case.
> 4. Ugly name.
> 5. Ugly users :-)
>
> B


1. Clunky Block Graphic.
2. B/W Mode (Hires though)
3. Matter of choice
4. AMIGA sounds better
5. And seller





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Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147919 is a reply to message #147776] Fri, 16 December 2005 09:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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dunric@yahoo.com wrote:

> 1. Best selling computer of all time.
> 2. VIC-II/SID ship.
> 3. Thousands upon thousands of programs.
> 4. BBSs.
> 5. The most popular computer of all time.
>
> Paul



1. IBM-PC
2. Antic Moog locker GTIA+ (8x8bit special)
3. Sinclair Spectrum 16/48K, ZX 80/81....
4. AMIGA (as it can support all systems, also c64 and so)
5. ATARI




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Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147920 is a reply to message #147776] Fri, 16 December 2005 09:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> 1. Best selling computer of all time.
The Windows PC. But I think we can all agree that it's rubbish.

> 2. VIC-II/SID chip.
Can be approximated an AY chip equipped Spectrum by using the Z80 to
add extra square waves to the standard sound channels. I suspect this
would be even easier on the Atari.

> 3. Thousands upon thousands of programs.
There are more programs for the Spectrum. I don't know about the Atari.
I do know that most of these programs (on all formats) are absolutely
god-awful. It's the gems that we remeber fondly, and there were
probably about the same number of those on all formats (including the
BBC micro).

> 4. BBSs.
As has already been mentioned this is not a feature of the C64. Just
like the internet, BBSes were platform independent. Perhaps the poster
is refering to the large amount of C64 software that was available for
illegal download. The availablity of this software and the willingness
of people to break the law may account for the popularity of the C64.
It certainly accounts for the popularity of the Windows PC.

> 5. The most popular computer of all time.
This would be refering to the Guinness book of records entry I suppose.
That entry simply refers to the fact that the bog-standard C64 had the
biggest production run of any computer ever. So what? The bog-standard
VW Beetle had the biggest production run of any car ever. I doubt many
would argue that the VW Beetle was the greatest car of all time,
although granted some enthusiasts probably would.

In the last cross-platform thread I asked what happened to the
cross-platform development of a side scrolling shooter that was being
written for the C64, Vic20 and Atari. I didn't get an answer. Does
anyone know what happened to it?

On the subject of cross platform development. Someone mentioned that
the C64 has an 8x1 attribute mode but I forgot the resolution. Is there
a similar mode on the Atari? I should probably cross post this to
comp.sys.amstrad.8bit as well because I don't know if the CPC has this
mode. The reason is I'm working on a game for the Spectrum SE and I'd
need some help. No one in the Speccy community seems to have the time,
but if it became a cross-platform development there might be a bit more
interest. It's not going to be processor intensive so it should be
do-able on any 8-bit platform with a disk drive (or sufficient memory
for a tape load). Would probably look at selling it through Cronosoft.
Obviously the Spectrum SE version will be useable on emulators only
(since there's still only one in existence). Drop me an email if any
programmers amongst you are interested (that includes anyone prepared
to work on the Speccy version). All I can say at this point is it's a
top-down RPG.
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147921 is a reply to message #147908] Fri, 16 December 2005 09:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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14. spi...@freenet.co.uk
Dec 16, 2:34 am

dun...@yahoo.com did eloquently scribble:

> 1. Best selling computer of all time.

Best selling computer of all time of one model of computer. IBM PCs
have sold more as a whole but not the PC, XT, At etc as a single model
with consistent specs has outsold the Commodore 64.

> 2. VIC-II/SID ship.

Back in 1982 a sythesiser was something no other computer had. And it
took years for the PC with it's internal beep speaker to get a quality
sound card to rival the 64.

> 3. Thousands upon thousands of programs.

-Big deal, so what?

Choice, variety. There were programs for just about everything on the
Commodore 64, accounting, word processing, etc. There are now web
browsers for it.

> 4. BBSs.
-Yes, yes, still nothing special
To many they were it was a great community if you ever were there.

> 5. The most popular computer of all time.
-Hah!

a)see #1
b)search for Commodore 64 on Google and see how popular it is.
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147922 is a reply to message #147921] Fri, 16 December 2005 09:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"larry" <larry@portcommodore.com> wrote in message
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> b)search for Commodore 64 on Google and see how popular it is.

But are any of those sites special and/or impressive?

Popular, in the present tense, means that people (lots of people) are
doing things related to them today. Mentioning them in passing is easy
which absolutely anyone can do. Creating something special isn't.


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Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147924 is a reply to message #147914] Fri, 16 December 2005 10:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"The Starglider" <thestarglider@wibble.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:20:52 +0000, "Nick Humphries, via obd"
> <nickjunk@egyptus.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> One thing I've never truly understood is this: if the C64 was so popular,
>> then why is the C64 retroscene so different in character to the Speccy
>> retroscene?
>>
>> Vague question, I know, but still...
>
> Do you mean as in not nearly as advanced in the retro scene? I know that sounds
> like a flamebait comment, but I do look at the C64 retro scene, and it's tiny in
> comparison.

That's pretty much what I'm getting at. As the C64 was more popular
(globally) that the Speccy was, why on earth aren't ex-C64 owners doing
as much as ex-Speccy owners in the retro scene?

For instance, the closest thing I've found as an equivalent to my
documentaries was a music video about loving the C64. Although
impressive, it's nowhere near close.

And no, I really don't know what I'm actually asking. :) It's a
difficult question to phrase.

Here's another one: what in the C64 retro-scene would impress non-C64
owners?



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Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147925 is a reply to message #147914] Fri, 16 December 2005 10:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"The Starglider" <thestarglider@wibble.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:20:52 +0000, "Nick Humphries, via obd"
> <nickjunk@egyptus.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> One thing I've never truly understood is this: if the C64 was so popular,
>> then why is the C64 retroscene so different in character to the Speccy
>> retroscene?
>>
>> Vague question, I know, but still...
>
> Do you mean as in not nearly as advanced in the retro scene? I know that sounds
> like a flamebait comment, but I do look at the C64 retro scene, and it's tiny in
> comparison.

That's pretty much what I'm getting at. As the C64 was more popular
(globally) that the Speccy was, why on earth aren't ex-C64 owners doing
as much as ex-Speccy owners in the retro scene?

For instance, the closest thing I've found as an equivalent to my
documentaries was a music video about loving the C64. Although
impressive, it's nowhere near close.

And no, I really don't know what I'm actually asking. :) It's a
difficult question to phrase.

Here's another one: what in the C64 retro-scene would impress non-C64
owners?



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Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147926 is a reply to message #147916] Fri, 16 December 2005 10:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> Use you fantasy for interest and not for making something bad. At least
> for selling more... :-) well? Right enough?
>

Well, what you don't understand is that I work in the service department.
So I'm not out selling computers. These people are bringing in their
computers wanting them to be repaired. They often picked them up non-
working at garage sales for $5 and stuff and think they're going to get
them repaired for $10 and have a perfectly working computer. They have
every intention of having us install Windows XP (which they believe is
free, they just have to pay us to put it on there, yeah right.) So once
I tell them that all the upgrades to make their computer XP compatible
(parts and label) end up being around $400 and XP itself costs $149, so
they are lookinng at an upgrade cost of $450 or so.. then I explain that
they can actually BUY one of our brand-new Dell systems or a slightly
used system with XP already on it for like $250, then it suddenly makes
more sense.

Yes, I perfectly understand that an old computer can be used online. I
myself use a laptop computer which is a Pentium 133 quite often (although
my computer on my desk is 2.53 ghz because I have to do video editing) My
133 laptop runs Windows NT 4.0 and I run a variety of programs on in
which are older or use low memory. If I didn't need to do video editing,
I could use it as my main computer. But the difference is that I
understand what can and cannot run properly on a Pentium 133. I also
know how to keep all the programs out of my startup group and I know how
to keep spyware and viruses off so that it runs fast. But most people
don't. You hand them a Pentium 133 and they will want Windows XP and
Office XP and 200 pieces of spyware and everything to be in their startup
group and the system will take 20 minutes to boot to the desktop and they
will complain that it is slow.
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147929 is a reply to message #147921] Fri, 16 December 2005 10:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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larry@portcommodore.com did eloquently scribble:
>
>
>
> 14. spi...@freenet.co.uk
> Dec 16, 2:34 am
>
> dun...@yahoo.com did eloquently scribble:
>
>> 1. Best selling computer of all time.
>
> Best selling computer of all time of one model of computer. IBM PCs
> have sold more as a whole but not the PC, XT, At etc as a single model
> with consistent specs has outsold the Commodore 64.

Windows has sold more than any other operating system?
That's crap too.

>> 3. Thousands upon thousands of programs.
>
> -Big deal, so what?
>
> Choice, variety. There were programs for just about everything on the
> Commodore 64, accounting, word processing, etc. There are now web
> browsers for it.

The big deal, so what implied that there's nothing special about "thousands
upon thousands of programs"
Cos there isn't. The spectrum also has that.

>> 4. BBSs.
> -Yes, yes, still nothing special
> To many they were it was a great community if you ever were there.

The spectrum had that too, hence the "nothing special"

>> 5. The most popular computer of all time.
> -Hah!
>
> a)see #1
> b)search for Commodore 64 on Google and see how popular it is.
>

Yawn...
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Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147930 is a reply to message #147776] Fri, 16 December 2005 10:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
Karma:
Originally posted by: Dave

Number 1 is false... unless you limit the scope to being the best
selling 8 bit computer of all time.
Best selling computer of all time is unfortunately, the IBM PC and
clones
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147931 is a reply to message #147926] Fri, 16 December 2005 10:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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David Murray wrote:

> Well, what you don't understand is that I work in the service
> department. So I'm not out selling computers. These people are
> bringing in their computers wanting them to be repaired. They often
> picked them up non- working at garage sales for $5 and stuff and
> think they're going to get them repaired for $10 and have a perfectly
> working computer. They have every intention of having us install
> Windows XP (which they believe is free, they just have to pay us to
> put it on there, yeah right.) So once I tell them that all the
> upgrades to make their computer XP compatible (parts and label) end
> up being around $400 and XP itself costs $149, so they are lookinng
> at an upgrade cost of $450 or so.. then I explain that they can
> actually BUY one of our brand-new Dell systems or a slightly used
> system with XP already on it for like $250, then it suddenly makes
> more sense.
>
> Yes, I perfectly understand that an old computer can be used online.
> I myself use a laptop computer which is a Pentium 133 quite often
> (although my computer on my desk is 2.53 ghz because I have to do
> video editing) My 133 laptop runs Windows NT 4.0 and I run a variety
> of programs on in which are older or use low memory. If I didn't
> need to do video editing, I could use it as my main computer. But
> the difference is that I understand what can and cannot run properly
> on a Pentium 133. I also know how to keep all the programs out of my
> startup group and I know how to keep spyware and viruses off so that
> it runs fast. But most people don't. You hand them a Pentium 133
> and they will want Windows XP and Office XP and 200 pieces of spyware
> and everything to be in their startup group and the system will take
> 20 minutes to boot to the desktop and they will complain that it is
> slow.



Every Windows User is a good User. Economical seen.

To even think about if people are paying for Windows or not dazzles my
brain. If I want make money out of something, and with something
software, then I pay for it (ie. OfficeXP2002 and making invoices with
it). Windows I have bought by other reasons, though I don´t need
2,53GHz for it :-). My 96' Chipset is fullfilling any Quest and Windows
XP Sp2 fits perfectly to the hardware I mentioned. It fits even better
than NTo4 (i used Too on it, NO AGP texturing, NO DX <3), though you
need some MHz more, indeed. I would say a fast 300-400MHz CPU can do
XP. A good chipset preconditioned.

Although I do not pay only to MS. Any honourable Software Developer..




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147932 is a reply to message #147929] Fri, 16 December 2005 10:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
Karma:
Originally posted by: W Marsh

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:31:57 GMT, spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:

> larry@portcommodore.com did eloquently scribble:
>>
>>
>>
>> 14. spi...@freenet.co.uk
>> Dec 16, 2:34 am
>>
>> dun...@yahoo.com did eloquently scribble:
>>
>>> 1. Best selling computer of all time.
>>
>> Best selling computer of all time of one model of computer. IBM PCs
>> have sold more as a whole but not the PC, XT, At etc as a single model
>> with consistent specs has outsold the Commodore 64.
>
> Windows has sold more than any other operating system?
> That's crap too.

You just can't help yourself, can you?
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147936 is a reply to message #147926] Fri, 16 December 2005 11:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
Karma:
Originally posted by: lechien

David Murray probably wrote:

> These people are bringing in their computers wanting them to be repaired. They often picked them up non- working at garage sales for $5 and stuff and think they're
> going to get them repaired for $10 and have a perfectly working computer.

Yep - I absolutely agree. Sometimes training the (l)users what to
expect from an old PC is more trouble than it's worth. That's why in
the company I worked for (owned) until recently, we'd decided not to
sell second-hand PCs at all due to the high-expectations low-cost
mentality.

We had our fingers burnt with this very early on in about 1994 when we
gave our old 286 PC to a friend who was starting a small business. I
cleaned up the PC, re-formatted the 20Mb hard drive, gave her our copy
of WordStar (which we wouldn't be needing any more) and actually wrote
a small db in Clipper so that she could keep track of her clients. All
I charged her for was a small amount of extra hardware needed (think it
needed a new keyboard or something) and she refused to pay. Why?
Because, despite the fact that she was initially very happy, a friend
had popped in, looked at the PC and told her that all PCs should be
running Windows 3.1. Since this PC wasn't, then she dumped it back on
our doorstep, complaining bitterly that we'd taken advantage of her
lack of knowledge!!

I learnt then that the only way to avoid problems with most
computer-illiterate people is to sell them new equipment.

/matt
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147938 is a reply to message #147925] Fri, 16 December 2005 12:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nick Humphries wrote:
> That's pretty much what I'm getting at. As the C64 was more popular
> (globally) that the Speccy was, why on earth aren't ex-C64 owners doing
> as much as ex-Speccy owners in the retro scene?

I wouldn't necessarily say that. I think it's universally accepted that
the C64 doesn't have anything quite so wonderful as
http://www.worldofspectrum.org/ , but I can think of a few areas where
C64 activity is way ahead of the Speccy:
- The demo scene: http://noname.c64.org/csdb/
- Music remakes: http://remix.kwed.org/ , http://www.c64audio.com/
- Contiki: http://www.sics.se/~adam/contiki/
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147940 is a reply to message #147776] Fri, 16 December 2005 12:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
Karma:
Originally posted by: Lion Of Judah

So what are the Commodore 64 rules?
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147943 is a reply to message #147940] Fri, 16 December 2005 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
Karma:
Originally posted by: W Marsh

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:51:38 -0500, "Lion Of Judah"
<sonofman1@comcast.net> wrote:

> So what are the Commodore 64 rules?

1) You must cross-post about C64.
2) You MUST cross-post about C64.
3) Mention Turrican and the SID at every opportunity.
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147944 is a reply to message #147921] Fri, 16 December 2005 13:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 16 Dec 2005 06:47:32 -0800, larry@portcommodore.com wrote:
>
>> 2. VIC-II/SID ship.
>
> Back in 1982 a sythesiser was something no other computer had. And it
> took years for the PC with it's internal beep speaker to get a quality
> sound card to rival the 64.

but it's all a matter of taste. I prefer the clean sound of the AY in the Speccy
128k machines more than the SID (Tim Follin's L.E.D. Storm and Level 1 of Bionic
Commando blows away anthing else on the Speccy IMHO, and Rob Hubbard's Hydrofool
tune is ace too), and didn't the Atari machines have something that could easily
equal the SID for ability?
>
>> 3. Thousands upon thousands of programs.
>
> -Big deal, so what?
>
> Choice, variety. There were programs for just about everything on the
> Commodore 64, accounting, word processing, etc. There are now web
> browsers for it.

The spectrum too had thousands and thousands of programs, and no doubt did other
machines. The argument for the C64 having this many is mute, since it's not
remotely unique.
>
>> 4. BBSs.
> -Yes, yes, still nothing special
> To many they were it was a great community if you ever were there.

And many spectrum users were there. That's the point, another muted argument
since again it's not unique to the C64.
>
>> 5. The most popular computer of all time.
> -Hah!
>
> a)see #1
> b)search for Commodore 64 on Google and see how popular it is.

The most popular computer of all time is the PC, also the most sold. Remember
that for every one person bashing Windows (which is not the only OS it can use),
there are probably 1,000's that are perfectly happy with it.

If you want to be picky, the Gameboy is the most popular computer of all time,
as although it can't be programmed out of the box, it still "computes", and they
sold Waaaay more than the C64 in their various guises.

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Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147946 is a reply to message #147944] Fri, 16 December 2005 13:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: Lyrical Nanoha

gOn Fri, 16 Dec 2005, The Starglider wrote:

> On 16 Dec 2005 06:47:32 -0800, larry@portcommodore.com wrote:
>>
>>> 2. VIC-II/SID ship.
>>
>> Back in 1982 a sythesiser was something no other computer had. And it
>> took years for the PC with it's internal beep speaker to get a quality
>> sound card to rival the 64.
>
> but it's all a matter of taste. I prefer the clean sound of the AY in the Speccy
> 128k machines more than the SID (Tim Follin's L.E.D. Storm and Level 1 of Bionic
> Commando blows away anthing else on the Speccy IMHO, and Rob Hubbard's Hydrofool
> tune is ace too), and didn't the Atari machines have something that could easily
> equal the SID for ability?

The Apple needed a sound card for decent sound, but the common one had a
pair of AY8910s.

>>> 3. Thousands upon thousands of programs.
>>
>> -Big deal, so what?
>>
>> Choice, variety. There were programs for just about everything on the
>> Commodore 64, accounting, word processing, etc. There are now web
>> browsers for it.
>
> The spectrum too had thousands and thousands of programs, and no doubt did other
> machines. The argument for the C64 having this many is mute, since it's not
> remotely unique.

"Moot"

>>
>>> 4. BBSs.
>> -Yes, yes, still nothing special
>> To many they were it was a great community if you ever were there.
>
> And many spectrum users were there. That's the point, another muted argument
> since again it's not unique to the C64.

I was there with my brother's Apple //c. So nothing special there either.

-uso.
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147952 is a reply to message #147788] Fri, 16 December 2005 15:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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dunric@yahoo.com wrote:
> Lyrical Nanoha wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005, George Nakos wrote:
>>
>> <Kersnippety!>
>>
>>> Um, ok, your opinion. Why post it here? And why cross-post? Is this
>>> another try at making a huge thread that makes no sense at all?
>>
>> Because Paul Panks is a kook, as most of comp.sys.cbm can attest.
>>
>> -uso.
>
> I've been posting in comp.sys.cbm since 1995. Only 3-4 posts that I've
> made in 10 years fall under those "kooky" guidelines. The rest are CBM
> related. Google it up if you don't believe me. Search from 1995 to
> 2005.
>

This counting your recent "bed-wetting" experience?

And the many posts about recovering a game you lost many years ago,
including the dream sequences you had that you thought was an attempt
by your subconscious to provide you with a program to recover the data?

Those were just in the last month or so...
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147954 is a reply to message #147932] Fri, 16 December 2005 16:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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W Marsh <wayneDOTmarshATgmailDOTcom@> did eloquently scribble:
>> Windows has sold more than any other operating system?
>> That's crap too.
>
> You just can't help yourself, can you?

Resist a chance to make a dig at windows as a proof that good does not equal
popular or "most"?

Nope, can't resist for a second, what are you going to do about it?
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Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147955 is a reply to message #147954] Fri, 16 December 2005 16:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: W Marsh

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:26:58 GMT, spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:

> W Marsh <wayneDOTmarshATgmailDOTcom@> did eloquently scribble:
>>> Windows has sold more than any other operating system?
>>> That's crap too.
>>
>> You just can't help yourself, can you?
>
> Resist a chance to make a dig at windows as a proof that good does not equal
> popular or "most"?
>
> Nope, can't resist for a second, what are you going to do about it?

Kill you dead with my mind.
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147956 is a reply to message #147952] Fri, 16 December 2005 16:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In fact you can break any of the rules you wish without going to jail
except the new ones on Child Porno and I back that one up 100%
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Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147958 is a reply to message #147936] Fri, 16 December 2005 17:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"lechien" <hcs@iol.ie> wrote in message
news:1134749487.494343.79980@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> David Murray probably wrote:
>
>> These people are bringing in their computers wanting them to be repaired.
>> They often picked them up non- working at garage sales for $5 and stuff
>> and think they're
>> going to get them repaired for $10 and have a perfectly working computer.
>
> Yep - I absolutely agree. Sometimes training the (l)users what to
> expect from an old PC is more trouble than it's worth. That's why in
> the company I worked for (owned) until recently, we'd decided not to
> sell second-hand PCs at all due to the high-expectations low-cost
> mentality.
>
> We had our fingers burnt with this very early on in about 1994 when we
> gave our old 286 PC to a friend who was starting a small business. I
> cleaned up the PC, re-formatted the 20Mb hard drive, gave her our copy
> of WordStar (which we wouldn't be needing any more) and actually wrote
> a small db in Clipper so that she could keep track of her clients. All
> I charged her for was a small amount of extra hardware needed (think it
> needed a new keyboard or something) and she refused to pay. Why?
> Because, despite the fact that she was initially very happy, a friend
> had popped in, looked at the PC and told her that all PCs should be
> running Windows 3.1. Since this PC wasn't, then she dumped it back on
> our doorstep, complaining bitterly that we'd taken advantage of her
> lack of knowledge!!
>
> I learnt then that the only way to avoid problems with most
> computer-illiterate people is to sell them new equipment.
>

Yep, I agree, it prevents a lot of frustration down the line.
Re: The Commodore 64 rules! [message #147959 is a reply to message #147909] Fri, 16 December 2005 17:11 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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<spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:o3aa73-ggo.ln1@ridcully.fsnet.co.uk...
> George Nakos <ggn@atarirocks.org> did eloquently scribble:
>>
>>
>> On 15 Dec 2005 19:39:13 -0800, dunric@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> 1. Best selling computer of all time.
>>> 2. VIC-II/SID ship.
>>> 3. Thousands upon thousands of programs.
>>> 4. BBSs.
>>> 5. The most popular computer of all time.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> Um, ok, your opinion. Why post it here? And why cross-post? Is this
>> another try at making a huge thread that makes no sense at all?
>
> It is puzzling why comp.sys.atari.8bit keeps getting dragged into this.
> The commode users are in denial and keep starting these threads because of
> their insecurity.
> (note: the threads over the past months were both started by non-css-ers)

I think most Commodore users like Atari 8 bits, and vice versa so no
insecurity there. Spectrum owners on the other hand...
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