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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359310 is a reply to message #359275] |
Fri, 22 December 2017 03:37   |
Charles Richmond
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On 12/21/2017 3:24 PM, Richard Stearn wrote:
> Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
>> Gareth's Downstairs Computer
>> <headstone255.but.not.these.five.words@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> A very merry and satisfying Christmas and a happy new year
>>> to all my readership.
>>>
>>> And, on the basis that I'm finally getting around to
>>> learning Cymraeg (Welsh), ...
>>>
>>> ... Nadolig LLawen!
>>
>> How do you say "Not guilty" in Welsh, G? You might want to practice that
>> one, just in case.
>
> yn ddieuog
>
You'll need to do better than that... I don't have my Enigma machine
handy!!! ;-)
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359311 is a reply to message #359257] |
Fri, 22 December 2017 03:38 |
Renaissance
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Il 21/12/2017 20.46, Gareth's Downstairs Computer ha scritto:
> A very merry and satisfying Christmas and a happy new year
> to all my readership.
> And, on the basis that I'm finally getting around to
> learning Cymraeg (Welsh), ...
> ... Nadolig LLawen!
:-) I love wales, it's twelve years i come to...
Merry Christmas!
bye G.L.
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359312 is a reply to message #359310] |
Fri, 22 December 2017 03:58 |
mausg
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On 2017-12-22, Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
> On 12/21/2017 3:24 PM, Richard Stearn wrote:
>> Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
>>> Gareth's Downstairs Computer
>>> <headstone255.but.not.these.five.words@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> A very merry and satisfying Christmas and a happy new year
>>>> to all my readership.
>>>>
>>>> And, on the basis that I'm finally getting around to
>>>> learning Cymraeg (Welsh), ...
>>>>
>>>> ... Nadolig LLawen!
>>>
>>> How do you say "Not guilty" in Welsh, G? You might want to practice that
>>> one, just in case.
>>
>> yn ddieuog
>>
>
> You'll need to do better than that... I don't have my Enigma machine
> handy!!! ;-)
>
A few years ago, I stoppped for a couple of days at a farmhouse near
Carmarten(sp) . Nice people, most Welsh people are. I asked the
housewife how she did in Welsh.
"I miss some nuances, of course, I am from North Wales, only been
living here for fifty years."
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359314 is a reply to message #359312] |
Fri, 22 December 2017 04:25 |
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Originally posted by: Brian Reay
On 22/12/2017 08:58, mausg@mail.com wrote:
> On 2017-12-22, Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>> On 12/21/2017 3:24 PM, Richard Stearn wrote:
>>> Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
>>>> Gareth's Downstairs Computer
>>>> <headstone255.but.not.these.five.words@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> > A very merry and satisfying Christmas and a happy new year
>>>> > to all my readership.
>>>> >
>>>> > And, on the basis that I'm finally getting around to
>>>> > learning Cymraeg (Welsh), ...
>>>> >
>>>> > ... Nadolig LLawen!
>>>>
>>>> How do you say "Not guilty" in Welsh, G? You might want to practice that
>>>> one, just in case.
>>>
>>> yn ddieuog
>>>
>>
>> You'll need to do better than that... I don't have my Enigma machine
>> handy!!! ;-)
>>
>
> A few years ago, I stoppped for a couple of days at a farmhouse near
> Carmarten(sp) . Nice people, most Welsh people are. I asked the
> housewife how she did in Welsh.
>
> "I miss some nuances, of course, I am from North Wales, only been
> living here for fifty years."
>
>
Even in with accents and dialects, not even entirely different
languages, you can move short distances and hear differences- if not
pick up on there significance. Perhaps less so now people tend to
travel more, of course TV, radio all play a part.
As a child, I had relatives who lived within 6 or 7 miles of us and
their dialect was quite different. Relatives of a similar age who lived
closer didn't show the same differences. At times it really was a bit of
an issue.
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359365 is a reply to message #359314] |
Fri, 22 December 2017 15:24 |
Gene Wirchenko
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 09:25:11 +0000, Brian Reay <no.sp@m.com> wrote:
[snip]
> As a child, I had relatives who lived within 6 or 7 miles of us and
> their dialect was quite different. Relatives of a similar age who lived
> closer didn't show the same differences. At times it really was a bit of
> an issue.
I had a high school teacher who said that her Italian husband's
home village had a similar thing: the dialect of the people across the
river was quite different.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359384 is a reply to message #359365] |
Fri, 22 December 2017 16:39 |
Charles Richmond
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On 12/22/2017 2:24 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 09:25:11 +0000, Brian Reay <no.sp@m.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> As a child, I had relatives who lived within 6 or 7 miles of us and
>> their dialect was quite different. Relatives of a similar age who lived
>> closer didn't show the same differences. At times it really was a bit of
>> an issue.
>
> I had a high school teacher who said that her Italian husband's
> home village had a similar thing: the dialect of the people across the
> river was quite different.
>
Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
dialects !!! :-)
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359403 is a reply to message #359384] |
Fri, 22 December 2017 19:39 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2017-12-22, Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
> On 12/22/2017 2:24 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 09:25:11 +0000, Brian Reay <no.sp@m.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> As a child, I had relatives who lived within 6 or 7 miles of us and
>>> their dialect was quite different. Relatives of a similar age who lived
>>> closer didn't show the same differences. At times it really was a bit of
>>> an issue.
>>
>> I had a high school teacher who said that her Italian husband's
>> home village had a similar thing: the dialect of the people across the
>> river was quite different.
>
> Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
> freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
> long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
> dialects !!! :-)
I heard about a hotel in California that straddled area code
boundaries - it was long distance to call from one end of the
building to the other.
The town of Lloydminster sits right on the Alberta/Saskatchewan
border. There's some interesting billing there.
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359405 is a reply to message #359403] |
Fri, 22 December 2017 19:59 |
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Originally posted by: David Billington
On 23/12/17 00:39, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2017-12-22, Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/22/2017 2:24 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 09:25:11 +0000, Brian Reay <no.sp@m.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> As a child, I had relatives who lived within 6 or 7 miles of us and
>>>> their dialect was quite different. Relatives of a similar age who lived
>>>> closer didn't show the same differences. At times it really was a bit of
>>>> an issue.
>>> I had a high school teacher who said that her Italian husband's
>>> home village had a similar thing: the dialect of the people across the
>>> river was quite different.
>> Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
>> freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
>> long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
>> dialects !!! :-)
> I heard about a hotel in California that straddled area code
> boundaries - it was long distance to call from one end of the
> building to the other.
>
> The town of Lloydminster sits right on the Alberta/Saskatchewan
> border. There's some interesting billing there.
>
I know someone that could walk from one side of their house to the other
and their mobile coverage would go from Vodafone Holland to Vodafone
Belgium.
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359406 is a reply to message #359403] |
Fri, 22 December 2017 20:18 |
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Originally posted by: Jerry Stuckle
On 12/22/2017 7:39 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2017-12-22, Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/22/2017 2:24 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 09:25:11 +0000, Brian Reay <no.sp@m.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> As a child, I had relatives who lived within 6 or 7 miles of us and
>>>> their dialect was quite different. Relatives of a similar age who lived
>>>> closer didn't show the same differences. At times it really was a bit of
>>>> an issue.
>>>
>>> I had a high school teacher who said that her Italian husband's
>>> home village had a similar thing: the dialect of the people across the
>>> river was quite different.
>>
>> Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
>> freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
>> long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
>> dialects !!! :-)
>
> I heard about a hotel in California that straddled area code
> boundaries - it was long distance to call from one end of the
> building to the other.
>
I haven't heard that, but it's almost assuredly an urban legend. The
phone company is not going to create two separate accounts and run lines
from two different offices to the same building.
> The town of Lloydminster sits right on the Alberta/Saskatchewan
> border. There's some interesting billing there.
>
Is there? Phone companies don't always follow political boundaries
(neither does the U.S. Postal Service).
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359409 is a reply to message #359406] |
Fri, 22 December 2017 21:33 |
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Jerry Stuckle wrote on 12/22/2017 8:18 PM:
> On 12/22/2017 7:39 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2017-12-22, Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/22/2017 2:24 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 09:25:11 +0000, Brian Reay <no.sp@m.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> > As a child, I had relatives who lived within 6 or 7 miles of us and
>>>> > their dialect was quite different. Relatives of a similar age who lived
>>>> > closer didn't show the same differences. At times it really was a bit of
>>>> > an issue.
>>>>
>>>> I had a high school teacher who said that her Italian husband's
>>>> home village had a similar thing: the dialect of the people across the
>>>> river was quite different.
>>>
>>> Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
>>> freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
>>> long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
>>> dialects !!! :-)
>>
>> I heard about a hotel in California that straddled area code
>> boundaries - it was long distance to call from one end of the
>> building to the other.
>>
>
> I haven't heard that, but it's almost assuredly an urban legend. The phone
> company is not going to create two separate accounts and run lines from two
> different offices to the same building.
>
>> The town of Lloydminster sits right on the Alberta/Saskatchewan
>> border. There's some interesting billing there.
>>
>
> Is there? Phone companies don't always follow political boundaries (neither
> does the U.S. Postal Service).
I met a kid in college who had a hard time at the state university. He
lived in the state, but the post office gave them a delivery address from a
post office in a different state. I think it was finally resolved, but they
had to bring the deed and other documents. I would think a state drivers
license with his mailing address would be enough proof of the state he lived
in. The DMV isn't going to give you a license if you are out of state.
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359410 is a reply to message #359409] |
Fri, 22 December 2017 22:24 |
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Originally posted by: Jerry Stuckle
On 12/22/2017 9:33 PM, rickman wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote on 12/22/2017 8:18 PM:
>> On 12/22/2017 7:39 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2017-12-22, Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/22/2017 2:24 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 09:25:11 +0000, Brian Reay <no.sp@m.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > [snip]
>>>> >
>>>> >> As a child, I had relatives who lived within 6 or 7 miles of us and
>>>> >> their dialect was quite different. Relatives of a similar age who
>>>> >> lived
>>>> >> closer didn't show the same differences. At times it really was a
>>>> >> bit of
>>>> >> an issue.
>>>> >
>>>> > I had a high school teacher who said that her Italian husband's
>>>> > home village had a similar thing: the dialect of the people across the
>>>> > river was quite different.
>>>>
>>>> Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
>>>> freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
>>>> long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
>>>> dialects !!! :-)
>>>
>>> I heard about a hotel in California that straddled area code
>>> boundaries - it was long distance to call from one end of the
>>> building to the other.
>>>
>>
>> I haven't heard that, but it's almost assuredly an urban legend. The
>> phone
>> company is not going to create two separate accounts and run lines
>> from two
>> different offices to the same building.
>>
>>> The town of Lloydminster sits right on the Alberta/Saskatchewan
>>> border. There's some interesting billing there.
>>>
>>
>> Is there? Phone companies don't always follow political boundaries
>> (neither
>> does the U.S. Postal Service).
>
> I met a kid in college who had a hard time at the state university. He
> lived in the state, but the post office gave them a delivery address
> from a post office in a different state. I think it was finally
> resolved, but they had to bring the deed and other documents. I would
> think a state drivers license with his mailing address would be enough
> proof of the state he lived in. The DMV isn't going to give you a
> license if you are out of state.
>
Yes, I can definitely believe that. Even here my mailing address is a
city "which" doesn't exist (most of the county, including my "city", is
unincorporated). And many people around here have mailing addresses in
an incorporated city while living in an unincorporated part of the
county, or vice versa.
What we don't have is people in Maryland with Virginia addresses or vice
versa, but that's to be understood. There's a river separating the two
:) (same with DC and Virginia). But I don't know of anyone in DC with
Maryland mailing addresses or vice versa. I wouldn't doubt it happens,
though.
But if his mailing address is in another state, how did he get the
driver's license? What did he have to do to prove his residency?
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359411 is a reply to message #359409] |
Fri, 22 December 2017 22:26 |
Charles Richmond
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On 12/22/2017 8:33 PM, rickman wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote on 12/22/2017 8:18 PM:
>> On 12/22/2017 7:39 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2017-12-22, Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/22/2017 2:24 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 09:25:11 +0000, Brian Reay <no.sp@m.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > [snip]
>>>> >
>>>> >> As a child, I had relatives who lived within 6 or 7 miles of us and
>>>> >> their dialect was quite different. Relatives of a similar age who
>>>> >> lived
>>>> >> closer didn't show the same differences. At times it really was a
>>>> >> bit of
>>>> >> an issue.
>>>> >
>>>> > I had a high school teacher who said that her Italian husband's
>>>> > home village had a similar thing: the dialect of the people across the
>>>> > river was quite different.
>>>>
>>>> Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
>>>> freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
>>>> long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
>>>> dialects !!! :-)
>>>
>>> I heard about a hotel in California that straddled area code
>>> boundaries - it was long distance to call from one end of the
>>> building to the other.
>>>
>>
>> I haven't heard that, but it's almost assuredly an urban legend. The
>> phone
>> company is not going to create two separate accounts and run lines
>> from two
>> different offices to the same building.
>>
>>> The town of Lloydminster sits right on the Alberta/Saskatchewan
>>> border. There's some interesting billing there.
>>>
>>
>> Is there? Phone companies don't always follow political boundaries
>> (neither
>> does the U.S. Postal Service).
>
> I met a kid in college who had a hard time at the state university. He
> lived in the state, but the post office gave them a delivery address
> from a post office in a different state. I think it was finally
> resolved, but they had to bring the deed and other documents. I would
> think a state drivers license with his mailing address would be enough
> proof of the state he lived in. The DMV isn't going to give you a
> license if you are out of state.
>
There is a house built right on what is now the current Vermont/Quebec
border. You can buy it, live there, and stay out of jail... *iff* you
have dual citizenship:
https://tinyurl.com/y78zye3k
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359412 is a reply to message #359410] |
Fri, 22 December 2017 22:49 |
rickman
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Jerry Stuckle wrote on 12/22/2017 10:24 PM:
> On 12/22/2017 9:33 PM, rickman wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote on 12/22/2017 8:18 PM:
>>> On 12/22/2017 7:39 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> On 2017-12-22, Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On 12/22/2017 2:24 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 09:25:11 +0000, Brian Reay <no.sp@m.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [snip]
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> As a child, I had relatives who lived within 6 or 7 miles of us and
>>>> >>> their dialect was quite different. Relatives of a similar age who lived
>>>> >>> closer didn't show the same differences. At times it really was a bit of
>>>> >>> an issue.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I had a high school teacher who said that her Italian husband's
>>>> >> home village had a similar thing: the dialect of the people across the
>>>> >> river was quite different.
>>>> >
>>>> > Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
>>>> > freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
>>>> > long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
>>>> > dialects !!! :-)
>>>>
>>>> I heard about a hotel in California that straddled area code
>>>> boundaries - it was long distance to call from one end of the
>>>> building to the other.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I haven't heard that, but it's almost assuredly an urban legend. The phone
>>> company is not going to create two separate accounts and run lines from two
>>> different offices to the same building.
>>>
>>>> The town of Lloydminster sits right on the Alberta/Saskatchewan
>>>> border. There's some interesting billing there.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is there? Phone companies don't always follow political boundaries (neither
>>> does the U.S. Postal Service).
>>
>> I met a kid in college who had a hard time at the state university. He
>> lived in the state, but the post office gave them a delivery address from
>> a post office in a different state. I think it was finally resolved, but
>> they had to bring the deed and other documents. I would think a state
>> drivers license with his mailing address would be enough proof of the
>> state he lived in. The DMV isn't going to give you a license if you are
>> out of state.
>>
>
> Yes, I can definitely believe that. Even here my mailing address is a city
> "which" doesn't exist (most of the county, including my "city", is
> unincorporated). And many people around here have mailing addresses in an
> incorporated city while living in an unincorporated part of the county, or
> vice versa.
>
> What we don't have is people in Maryland with Virginia addresses or vice
> versa, but that's to be understood. There's a river separating the two :)
> (same with DC and Virginia). But I don't know of anyone in DC with Maryland
> mailing addresses or vice versa. I wouldn't doubt it happens, though.
>
> But if his mailing address is in another state, how did he get the driver's
> license? What did he have to do to prove his residency?
It was MD and Delaware. I don't know how he got the license. Likely they
knew he was in MD because the state knows exactly who needs to pay taxes
ect. The University wasn't tapped into any of that so they had their own
rules!
You'll have to ask the kid, this was over 40 years ago when I was an
undergraduate and U of Md was a very big and bizarre place for me.
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Fri, 22 December 2017 22:56 |
rickman
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Charles Richmond wrote on 12/22/2017 10:26 PM:
> On 12/22/2017 8:33 PM, rickman wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote on 12/22/2017 8:18 PM:
>>> On 12/22/2017 7:39 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> On 2017-12-22, Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On 12/22/2017 2:24 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 09:25:11 +0000, Brian Reay <no.sp@m.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [snip]
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> As a child, I had relatives who lived within 6 or 7 miles of us and
>>>> >>> their dialect was quite different. Relatives of a similar age who lived
>>>> >>> closer didn't show the same differences. At times it really was a bit of
>>>> >>> an issue.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I had a high school teacher who said that her Italian husband's
>>>> >> home village had a similar thing: the dialect of the people across the
>>>> >> river was quite different.
>>>> >
>>>> > Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
>>>> > freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
>>>> > long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
>>>> > dialects !!! :-)
>>>>
>>>> I heard about a hotel in California that straddled area code
>>>> boundaries - it was long distance to call from one end of the
>>>> building to the other.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I haven't heard that, but it's almost assuredly an urban legend. The phone
>>> company is not going to create two separate accounts and run lines from two
>>> different offices to the same building.
>>>
>>>> The town of Lloydminster sits right on the Alberta/Saskatchewan
>>>> border. There's some interesting billing there.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is there? Phone companies don't always follow political boundaries (neither
>>> does the U.S. Postal Service).
>>
>> I met a kid in college who had a hard time at the state university. He
>> lived in the state, but the post office gave them a delivery address from
>> a post office in a different state. I think it was finally resolved, but
>> they had to bring the deed and other documents. I would think a state
>> drivers license with his mailing address would be enough proof of the
>> state he lived in. The DMV isn't going to give you a license if you are
>> out of state.
>>
>
> There is a house built right on what is now the current Vermont/Quebec
> border. You can buy it, live there, and stay out of jail... *iff* you have
> dual citizenship:
>
> https://tinyurl.com/y78zye3k
I heard about a guy who had property on the VA/WV boarder. The exact line
between the states had never been defined exactly until the 60's I believe.
When the drew the line by his house it put the house in WV! WV demanded he
pay back taxes for all the years he owned it! Worse, VA said they wouldn't
refund any taxes because their law says once the tax has been paid for some
amount of time, you can't dispute it!!!
I seem to recall he got politicians involved and they got a reasonable
settlement worked out. Talk about getting screwed!
Of course, this may all be urban legend. I heard this many years ago.
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Rick C
Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms,
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Sat, 23 December 2017 08:08 |
Gene Wirchenko
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
<numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
[snip]
> Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
> freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
> long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
> dialects !!! :-)
I always thought that that nonsense could have been solved by
using a better zone system. A call to the same zone or only one zone
away would be local; the others would be long distance. Set the zones
to allow for cities and geography.
Would this have been workable?
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359432 is a reply to message #359428] |
Sat, 23 December 2017 09:41 |
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Originally posted by: Brian Reay
On 23/12/17 13:08, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
>> freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
>> long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
>> dialects !!! :-)
>
> I always thought that that nonsense could have been solved by
> using a better zone system. A call to the same zone or only one zone
> away would be local; the others would be long distance. Set the zones
> to allow for cities and geography.
>
> Would this have been workable?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Gene Wirchenko
>
I don't often use 'snail mail' in Europe (we are still in Europe) but,
as I recall, for some time it has been possible to send a letter within
the EU for the same cost as a local one. As I recall, when this was
introduced, the rationale was that the bulk of the infra structure was
in place in each country and if, for example, I paid more to post to
Germany (I'm in the UK) the UK didn't 'hand over' any of the extra I
paid to any Post Office 'on route'- in the end it all just 'balanced out'.
Logically, the same must apply for telephone calls. Obviously a 'long
distance call' uses resources but, in the round, things balance out.
There will be exceptions- areas which have low numbers of travellers
etc. but, for most cases, surely the logic applies.
A mobile call in the UK costs the same if the two 'ends' are 50m apart
or 300miles. Why not the same for landline calls?
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359436 is a reply to message #359405] |
Sat, 23 December 2017 09:47 |
Peter Flass
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David Billington <djb@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 23/12/17 00:39, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2017-12-22, Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/22/2017 2:24 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 09:25:11 +0000, Brian Reay <no.sp@m.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> > As a child, I had relatives who lived within 6 or 7 miles of us and
>>>> > their dialect was quite different. Relatives of a similar age who lived
>>>> > closer didn't show the same differences. At times it really was a bit of
>>>> > an issue.
>>>> I had a high school teacher who said that her Italian husband's
>>>> home village had a similar thing: the dialect of the people across the
>>>> river was quite different.
>>> Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
>>> freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
>>> long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
>>> dialects !!! :-)
>> I heard about a hotel in California that straddled area code
>> boundaries - it was long distance to call from one end of the
>> building to the other.
>>
>> The town of Lloydminster sits right on the Alberta/Saskatchewan
>> border. There's some interesting billing there.
>>
> I know someone that could walk from one side of their house to the other
> and their mobile coverage would go from Vodafone Holland to Vodafone
> Belgium.
>
>
There's a town on Vermont/Quebec where the library sits on the border and
has has an entrance in each country.
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Pete
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359437 is a reply to message #359428] |
Sat, 23 December 2017 09:47 |
Peter Flass
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Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
>> freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
>> long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
>> dialects !!! :-)
>
> I always thought that that nonsense could have been solved by
> using a better zone system. A call to the same zone or only one zone
> away would be local; the others would be long distance. Set the zones
> to allow for cities and geography.
>
> Would this have been workable?
Do many people still pay long-distance charges? For many years we've had
plans with "free" nationwide calling. For a while when kids were in school
out of state we had a WATS line so they could fall us free. I cancelled it
later because I was getting too many calls from Puerto Rico where the
callers couldn' speak English.
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Pete
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359438 is a reply to message #359437] |
Sat, 23 December 2017 10:11 |
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Originally posted by: Brian Reay
On 23/12/2017 14:47, Peter Flass wrote:
> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
>> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
>>> freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
>>> long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
>>> dialects !!! :-)
>>
>> I always thought that that nonsense could have been solved by
>> using a better zone system. A call to the same zone or only one zone
>> away would be local; the others would be long distance. Set the zones
>> to allow for cities and geography.
>>
>> Would this have been workable?
>
> Do many people still pay long-distance charges? For many years we've had
> plans with "free" nationwide calling. For a while when kids were in school
> out of state we had a WATS line so they could fall us free. I cancelled it
> later because I was getting too many calls from Puerto Rico where the
> callers couldn' speak English.
>
>
In the UK there are various deals which include calls on landlines and
mobiles but there are local and long distance changes if you don't make
use of them, at least on landlines. The deals don't (generally) cover
international calls. 'Roaming' is now included on mobiles, at least in
the EU, although many companies off packages which include other
countries. The exact rules etc vary from company to company.
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359468 is a reply to message #359428] |
Sat, 23 December 2017 14:06 |
rickman
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Gene Wirchenko wrote on 12/23/2017 8:08 AM:
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
>> freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
>> long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
>> dialects !!! :-)
>
> I always thought that that nonsense could have been solved by
> using a better zone system. A call to the same zone or only one zone
> away would be local; the others would be long distance. Set the zones
> to allow for cities and geography.
>
> Would this have been workable?
The phone company has no incentive to make this work better for users.
Their profits are regulated and they have no competition. I have a place in
a very rural area and when I first bought it computers used dial up. I got
very lucky and there was a local exchange that was not quite as local as the
others so I could reach a provider. Otherwise it would have been a non-long
distance toll call. For many others on the other side of the lake it was a
toll call. It's still that way some 30 years later. TPC has no incentive
to increase the non-toll region even though it costs them nothing in
equipment which was upgraded decades ago. They just have to change their
billing.
--
Rick C
Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms,
on the centerline of totality since 1998
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359469 is a reply to message #359312] |
Sat, 23 December 2017 14:11 |
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Originally posted by: Jimbo ...
<mausg@mail.com> wrote in message news:slrnp3pi9u.1ba.mausg@smaus.org...
> On 2017-12-22, Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>> On 12/21/2017 3:24 PM, Richard Stearn wrote:
>>> Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
>>>> Gareth's Downstairs Computer
>>>> <headstone255.but.not.these.five.words@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> > A very merry and satisfying Christmas and a happy new year
>>>> > to all my readership.
>>>> >
>>>> > And, on the basis that I'm finally getting around to
>>>> > learning Cymraeg (Welsh), ...
>>>> >
>>>> > ... Nadolig LLawen!
>>>>
>>>> How do you say "Not guilty" in Welsh, G? You might want to practice
>>>> that
>>>> one, just in case.
>>>
>>> yn ddieuog
>>>
>>
>> You'll need to do better than that... I don't have my Enigma machine
>> handy!!! ;-)
>>
>
> A few years ago, I stoppped for a couple of days at a farmhouse near
> Carmarten(sp) . Nice people, most Welsh people are. I asked the
> housewife how she did in Welsh.
>
> "I miss some nuances, of course, I am from North Wales, only been
> living here for fifty years."
>
>
In '84 we were on a train to new york from Stamford and the conductor
pinned our accent as Paisley area...turned out he used to conduct on the bus
between paisley and johnstone before he emigrated ....
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359473 is a reply to message #359428] |
Sat, 23 December 2017 15:01 |
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Originally posted by: Ralph Mowery
In article <e6ls3dhpblugn8cgs382deib8ab9ctg62m@4ax.com>, genew@telus.net
says...
>
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
>> freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
>> long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
>> dialects !!! :-)
>
> I always thought that that nonsense could have been solved by
> using a better zone system. A call to the same zone or only one zone
> away would be local; the others would be long distance. Set the zones
> to allow for cities and geography.
>
>
In the 1980's I knew 2 brothers that lived next to each other. The
houses were seperated by a small field maybe 100 yards wide. They were
long distance from each other by the phone companies. Each one had a
different phone company.
Where I am at now I can not get ATT as its service starts about 1/4 of a
mile or less from me. I am on another phone company, or was before I
switched over to the internet phone. That was a very good thing for me.
I get free long distance, but best of all they block most robot calls.
The phone rings once and quits. The number is on the caller ID box and
if it really is something I want, I can dial them back. Also it is easy
to go on the internet and tell the phone company I want to block a
number. I don't do it, but a friend does, you can have the home phone
number send it to your cell phone after a few rings.
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359475 is a reply to message #359468] |
Sat, 23 December 2017 15:06 |
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Originally posted by: Ralph Mowery
In article <p1m9gf$5jf$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
>
> Gene Wirchenko wrote on 12/23/2017 8:08 AM:
>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
>> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>
>
> The phone company has no incentive to make this work better for users.
> Their profits are regulated and they have no competition. I have a place in
> a very rural area and when I first bought it computers used dial up. I got
> very lucky and there was a local exchange that was not quite as local as the
> others so I could reach a provider. Otherwise it would have been a non-long
> distance toll call. For many others on the other side of the lake it was a
> toll call. It's still that way some 30 years later. TPC has no incentive
> to increase the non-toll region even though it costs them nothing in
> equipment which was upgraded decades ago. They just have to change their
> billing.
The phone company better get some incentive. They are probably loosing
lots due to the cell phones and now to the internet phones. Neither of
them seem to charge extra for what is usually a long distance call.
The phone bill was about $ 20 but taxes and LD connect and other fees
made it around $ 40 per month. If you add caller ID and a few other
things , it will cost even more. Most of that is 'free' with the $ 30
internet phone I am now using.
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359478 is a reply to message #359403] |
Sat, 23 December 2017 15:23 |
hancock4
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On Friday, December 22, 2017 at 7:40:05 PM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> I heard about a hotel in California that straddled area code
> boundaries - it was long distance to call from one end of the
> building to the other.
In many places that are against an area code boundary, it has
been and remains a local call for two adjacent communities to
call each other across the boundary; even crossing state lines.
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359481 is a reply to message #359475] |
Sat, 23 December 2017 15:37 |
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Ralph Mowery wrote on 12/23/2017 3:06 PM:
> In article <p1m9gf$5jf$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
>>
>> Gene Wirchenko wrote on 12/23/2017 8:08 AM:
>>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
>>> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>
>>
>> The phone company has no incentive to make this work better for users.
>> Their profits are regulated and they have no competition. I have a place in
>> a very rural area and when I first bought it computers used dial up. I got
>> very lucky and there was a local exchange that was not quite as local as the
>> others so I could reach a provider. Otherwise it would have been a non-long
>> distance toll call. For many others on the other side of the lake it was a
>> toll call. It's still that way some 30 years later. TPC has no incentive
>> to increase the non-toll region even though it costs them nothing in
>> equipment which was upgraded decades ago. They just have to change their
>> billing.
>
> The phone company better get some incentive. They are probably loosing
> lots due to the cell phones and now to the internet phones. Neither of
> them seem to charge extra for what is usually a long distance call.
> The phone bill was about $ 20 but taxes and LD connect and other fees
> made it around $ 40 per month. If you add caller ID and a few other
> things , it will cost even more. Most of that is 'free' with the $ 30
> internet phone I am now using.
You seem to fail to understand how "the phone company" operates. They have
capital investment. A regulatory board allows them a certain profit based
on that capital investment. If they make too little profit they can request
rate changes of the regulatory board. TPC doesn't lose money.
--
Rick C
Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms,
on the centerline of totality since 1998
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359486 is a reply to message #359473] |
Sat, 23 December 2017 15:51 |
Peter Flass
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Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In article <e6ls3dhpblugn8cgs382deib8ab9ctg62m@4ax.com>, genew@telus.net
> says...
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
>> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
>>> freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
>>> long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
>>> dialects !!! :-)
>>
>> I always thought that that nonsense could have been solved by
>> using a better zone system. A call to the same zone or only one zone
>> away would be local; the others would be long distance. Set the zones
>> to allow for cities and geography.
>>
>>
>
> In the 1980's I knew 2 brothers that lived next to each other. The
> houses were seperated by a small field maybe 100 yards wide. They were
> long distance from each other by the phone companies. Each one had a
> different phone company.
>
> Where I am at now I can not get ATT as its service starts about 1/4 of a
> mile or less from me. I am on another phone company, or was before I
> switched over to the internet phone. That was a very good thing for me.
> I get free long distance, but best of all they block most robot calls.
> The phone rings once and quits. The number is on the caller ID box and
> if it really is something I want, I can dial them back. Also it is easy
> to go on the internet and tell the phone company I want to block a
> number. I don't do it, but a friend does, you can have the home phone
> number send it to your cell phone after a few rings.
>
>
Our electric is like this. Most of our development is National Grid and our
street and one other are NYSEG. Some times this is good, but sometimes
we're out and the other streets aren't.
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Pete
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359503 is a reply to message #359475] |
Sat, 23 December 2017 17:24 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 15:06:37 -0500, Ralph Mowery
<rmowery28146@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In article <p1m9gf$5jf$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
>>
>> Gene Wirchenko wrote on 12/23/2017 8:08 AM:
>>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
>>> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>
>>
>> The phone company has no incentive to make this work better for users.
>> Their profits are regulated and they have no competition. I have a place in
>> a very rural area and when I first bought it computers used dial up. I got
>> very lucky and there was a local exchange that was not quite as local as the
>> others so I could reach a provider. Otherwise it would have been a non-long
>> distance toll call. For many others on the other side of the lake it was a
>> toll call. It's still that way some 30 years later. TPC has no incentive
>> to increase the non-toll region even though it costs them nothing in
>> equipment which was upgraded decades ago. They just have to change their
>> billing.
>
> The phone company better get some incentive. They are probably loosing
> lots due to the cell phones and now to the internet phones. Neither of
> them seem to charge extra for what is usually a long distance call.
> The phone bill was about $ 20 but taxes and LD connect and other fees
> made it around $ 40 per month. If you add caller ID and a few other
> things , it will cost even more. Most of that is 'free' with the $ 30
> internet phone I am now using.
The "phone company" is usually also the ISP in the modern world. I
don't think they really care that much about land-line calls anymore.
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359519 is a reply to message #359469] |
Sat, 23 December 2017 18:38 |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 19:11:05 +0000, Jimbo ... wrote:
> <mausg@mail.com> wrote in message news:slrnp3pi9u.1ba.mausg@smaus.org...
>> On 2017-12-22, Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/21/2017 3:24 PM, Richard Stearn wrote:
>>>> Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
>>>> > Gareth's Downstairs Computer
>>>> > <headstone255.but.not.these.five.words@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> >> A very merry and satisfying Christmas and a happy new year to all
>>>> >> my readership.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> And, on the basis that I'm finally getting around to learning
>>>> >> Cymraeg (Welsh), ...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ... Nadolig LLawen!
>>>> >
>>>> > How do you say "Not guilty" in Welsh, G? You might want to practice
>>>> > that one, just in case.
>>>>
>>>> yn ddieuog
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You'll need to do better than that... I don't have my Enigma machine
>>> handy!!! ;-)
>>>
>>>
>> A few years ago, I stoppped for a couple of days at a farmhouse near
>> Carmarten(sp) . Nice people, most Welsh people are. I asked the
>> housewife how she did in Welsh.
>>
>> "I miss some nuances, of course, I am from North Wales, only been
>> living here for fifty years."
>>
>>
> In '84 we were on a train to new york from Stamford and the conductor
> pinned our accent as Paisley area...turned out he used to conduct on the
> bus between paisley and johnstone before he emigrated ....
I was once on a bus in Vancouver, got chatting to a guy near me.
He said "You're from Brighton, aren't you?" [1]. He was right; he'd lived
in Vancouver for 25 years, too.
[1] Brighton, Sussex, England.
--
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359524 is a reply to message #359468] |
Sat, 23 December 2017 21:10 |
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Originally posted by: Jerry Stuckle
On 12/23/2017 2:06 PM, rickman wrote:
> Gene Wirchenko wrote on 12/23/2017 8:08 AM:
>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
>> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
>>> freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
>>> long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
>>> dialects !!! :-)
>>
>> I always thought that that nonsense could have been solved by
>> using a better zone system. A call to the same zone or only one zone
>> away would be local; the others would be long distance. Set the zones
>> to allow for cities and geography.
>>
>> Would this have been workable?
>
> The phone company has no incentive to make this work better for users.
> Their profits are regulated and they have no competition. I have a
> place in a very rural area and when I first bought it computers used
> dial up. I got very lucky and there was a local exchange that was not
> quite as local as the others so I could reach a provider. Otherwise it
> would have been a non-long distance toll call. For many others on the
> other side of the lake it was a toll call. It's still that way some 30
> years later. TPC has no incentive to increase the non-toll region even
> though it costs them nothing in equipment which was upgraded decades
> ago. They just have to change their billing.
>
You still pay for long distance? We've had unlimited (domestic) long
distance on our land lines for years. And that was long before Verizon
had competition.
Now they've changed us to fiber - no more POTS line; rather it's VOIP.
Works fine (better than the old copper) but the battery dies after about
5-8 hours of power outage, depending on how much we use it.
--
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Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359525 is a reply to message #359473] |
Sat, 23 December 2017 21:13 |
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Originally posted by: Jerry Stuckle
On 12/23/2017 3:01 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> In article <e6ls3dhpblugn8cgs382deib8ab9ctg62m@4ax.com>, genew@telus.net
> says...
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
>> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
>>> freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
>>> long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
>>> dialects !!! :-)
>>
>> I always thought that that nonsense could have been solved by
>> using a better zone system. A call to the same zone or only one zone
>> away would be local; the others would be long distance. Set the zones
>> to allow for cities and geography.
>>
>>
>
> In the 1980's I knew 2 brothers that lived next to each other. The
> houses were seperated by a small field maybe 100 yards wide. They were
> long distance from each other by the phone companies. Each one had a
> different phone company.
>
> Where I am at now I can not get ATT as its service starts about 1/4 of a
> mile or less from me. I am on another phone company, or was before I
> switched over to the internet phone. That was a very good thing for me.
> I get free long distance, but best of all they block most robot calls.
> The phone rings once and quits. The number is on the caller ID box and
> if it really is something I want, I can dial them back. Also it is easy
> to go on the internet and tell the phone company I want to block a
> number. I don't do it, but a friend does, you can have the home phone
> number send it to your cell phone after a few rings.
>
Do you mind if I ask which VOIP company you're using (reply by email if
you wish). I'm considering switching both my home and business numbers
to another company. Verizon has gone VOIP but they're expensive (and
have fewer features).
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359529 is a reply to message #359524] |
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Jerry Stuckle wrote on 12/23/2017 9:10 PM:
> On 12/23/2017 2:06 PM, rickman wrote:
>> Gene Wirchenko wrote on 12/23/2017 8:08 AM:
>>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
>>> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
>>>> freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
>>>> long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
>>>> dialects !!! :-)
>>>
>>> I always thought that that nonsense could have been solved by
>>> using a better zone system. A call to the same zone or only one zone
>>> away would be local; the others would be long distance. Set the zones
>>> to allow for cities and geography.
>>>
>>> Would this have been workable?
>>
>> The phone company has no incentive to make this work better for users.
>> Their profits are regulated and they have no competition. I have a place
>> in a very rural area and when I first bought it computers used dial up. I
>> got very lucky and there was a local exchange that was not quite as local
>> as the others so I could reach a provider. Otherwise it would have been a
>> non-long distance toll call. For many others on the other side of the
>> lake it was a toll call. It's still that way some 30 years later. TPC
>> has no incentive to increase the non-toll region even though it costs them
>> nothing in equipment which was upgraded decades ago. They just have to
>> change their billing.
>>
>
> You still pay for long distance? We've had unlimited (domestic) long
> distance on our land lines for years. And that was long before Verizon had
> competition.
>
> Now they've changed us to fiber - no more POTS line; rather it's VOIP. Works
> fine (better than the old copper) but the battery dies after about 5-8 hours
> of power outage, depending on how much we use it.
If you have "unlimited" long distance, you are paying for it. I have a land
line still but have no long distance. I pay $15 a month which is basically
to keep the business number until I decide to do something with it like
VOIP. I was looking at Google Voice the other day but I digress... You are
most likely paying some $30 or $40 a month to get your "unlimited" long
distance. A service that comes with my cell where voice calls are unmetered.
Funny, it was the over charging for long distance that prompted competition
in the market and led to the breakup of Bell Telephone. Now long distance
is so cheap they practically give it away.
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Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms,
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359530 is a reply to message #359525] |
Sat, 23 December 2017 22:41 |
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Originally posted by: Ralph Mowery
In article <p1n2g3$bm7$2@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>,
jstucklex@attglobal.net says...
>
> Do you mind if I ask which VOIP company you're using (reply by email if
> you wish). I'm considering switching both my home and business numbers
> to another company. Verizon has gone VOIP but they're expensive (and
> have fewer features).
The company is/was Time Warner Cable that was bought or merged with
Spectrum. I only had the internet before the merge and it was about $
60 and the land line phone with another company was about $ 40 or $ 45
or just the basic service. No caller ID and 10 cents a minuit for long
distance.
By bundling the internet and phone I am paying about $ 69 per month for
both services and that includes a surcharge for the wifi modem and
probably because I wanted to keep Earthlink as the ISP instead of going
with them which I think is Roadrunner.
https://www.spectrum.com/home-phone.html
They advertise $ 29.99 each for some cable TV, phone , and internet if
you bundle them together. There is no contract or anyting. Not sure
how long they will hold that price as it has only been a few months.
Did not want the TV as using Direct TV and the wife wanted to keep it.
Only drawback I can think of now is if the cable line goes out I have to
use a cell phone to call them.
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359531 is a reply to message #359481] |
Sat, 23 December 2017 22:41 |
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Originally posted by: Ralph Mowery
In article <p1meqf$gij$2@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
>
> Ralph Mowery wrote on 12/23/2017 3:06 PM:
>> In article <p1m9gf$5jf$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
>>>
>
>> The phone company better get some incentive. They are probably loosing
>> lots due to the cell phones and now to the internet phones. Neither of
>> them seem to charge extra for what is usually a long distance call.
>> The phone bill was about $ 20 but taxes and LD connect and other fees
>> made it around $ 40 per month. If you add caller ID and a few other
>> things , it will cost even more. Most of that is 'free' with the $ 30
>> internet phone I am now using.
>
> You seem to fail to understand how "the phone company" operates. They have
> capital investment. A regulatory board allows them a certain profit based
> on that capital investment. If they make too little profit they can request
> rate changes of the regulatory board. TPC doesn't lose money.
I think I understand how they work. It is they better change the way
they work while there are still some that will use the land lines. If
people can get good service via the internet phone or just the cell
phones, why would they even want a land line at a price much higher than
the internet phone ?
The phone companies have been around for many years and have a mind set.
If they do not change it, they will be out of business. Some are trying
to get into the internet business. In a town near me the town put in
fiber optic cable trying to make money. The local cable company boosted
the rates of down load speed to keep the people on them. Not too long
ago the lowest speed was 25, then went to 100, and is now at 200. I am
getting about 230 on most speed tests now. Not that that much speed is
needed in many cases, but it sure beats the DSL from the phone companies
also.
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359532 is a reply to message #359531] |
Sat, 23 December 2017 22:51 |
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Originally posted by: Jerry Stuckle
On 12/23/2017 10:41 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> In article <p1meqf$gij$2@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
>>
>> Ralph Mowery wrote on 12/23/2017 3:06 PM:
>>> In article <p1m9gf$5jf$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>
>>> The phone company better get some incentive. They are probably loosing
>>> lots due to the cell phones and now to the internet phones. Neither of
>>> them seem to charge extra for what is usually a long distance call.
>>> The phone bill was about $ 20 but taxes and LD connect and other fees
>>> made it around $ 40 per month. If you add caller ID and a few other
>>> things , it will cost even more. Most of that is 'free' with the $ 30
>>> internet phone I am now using.
>>
>> You seem to fail to understand how "the phone company" operates. They have
>> capital investment. A regulatory board allows them a certain profit based
>> on that capital investment. If they make too little profit they can request
>> rate changes of the regulatory board. TPC doesn't lose money.
>
> I think I understand how they work. It is they better change the way
> they work while there are still some that will use the land lines. If
> people can get good service via the internet phone or just the cell
> phones, why would they even want a land line at a price much higher than
> the internet phone ?
>
> The phone companies have been around for many years and have a mind set.
> If they do not change it, they will be out of business. Some are trying
> to get into the internet business. In a town near me the town put in
> fiber optic cable trying to make money. The local cable company boosted
> the rates of down load speed to keep the people on them. Not too long
> ago the lowest speed was 25, then went to 100, and is now at 200. I am
> getting about 230 on most speed tests now. Not that that much speed is
> needed in many cases, but it sure beats the DSL from the phone companies
> also.
>
>
>
That has happened to so many companies - Tweeter, Circuit City, Radio
Shack... it almost happened to Best Buy and could still happen to old
chains like J.C. Pennys, Sears and K-Mart.
Companies which don't keep up with the rest of the world fail eventually.
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359533 is a reply to message #359529] |
Sat, 23 December 2017 23:06 |
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Originally posted by: Jerry Stuckle
On 12/23/2017 10:25 PM, rickman wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote on 12/23/2017 9:10 PM:
>> On 12/23/2017 2:06 PM, rickman wrote:
>>> Gene Wirchenko wrote on 12/23/2017 8:08 AM:
>>>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
>>>> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> > Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
>>>> > freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
>>>> > long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
>>>> > dialects !!! :-)
>>>>
>>>> I always thought that that nonsense could have been solved by
>>>> using a better zone system. A call to the same zone or only one zone
>>>> away would be local; the others would be long distance. Set the zones
>>>> to allow for cities and geography.
>>>>
>>>> Would this have been workable?
>>>
>>> The phone company has no incentive to make this work better for users.
>>> Their profits are regulated and they have no competition. I have a
>>> place
>>> in a very rural area and when I first bought it computers used dial
>>> up. I
>>> got very lucky and there was a local exchange that was not quite as
>>> local
>>> as the others so I could reach a provider. Otherwise it would have
>>> been a
>>> non-long distance toll call. For many others on the other side of the
>>> lake it was a toll call. It's still that way some 30 years later. TPC
>>> has no incentive to increase the non-toll region even though it costs
>>> them
>>> nothing in equipment which was upgraded decades ago. They just have to
>>> change their billing.
>>>
>>
>> You still pay for long distance? We've had unlimited (domestic) long
>> distance on our land lines for years. And that was long before
>> Verizon had
>> competition.
>>
>> Now they've changed us to fiber - no more POTS line; rather it's VOIP.
>> Works
>> fine (better than the old copper) but the battery dies after about 5-8
>> hours
>> of power outage, depending on how much we use it.
>
> If you have "unlimited" long distance, you are paying for it. I have a
> land line still but have no long distance. I pay $15 a month which is
> basically to keep the business number until I decide to do something
> with it like VOIP. I was looking at Google Voice the other day but I
> digress... You are most likely paying some $30 or $40 a month to get
> your "unlimited" long distance. A service that comes with my cell where
> voice calls are unmetered.
>
> Funny, it was the over charging for long distance that prompted
> competition in the market and led to the breakup of Bell Telephone. Now
> long distance is so cheap they practically give it away.
>
Not significantly. It's running less than $60 for two lines. But that
is actually less then when we had POTS lines and were paying for long
distance. But I think it's still too expensive.
My business lines are still POTS and much more expensive (as you would
expect) - but they also don't have unlimited long distance. But Verizon
is going to force me to go VOIP on those lines, soon, also.
The difference is the copper in our neighborhood is over 50 years old
and having a lot of problems. Rather than replace the cable, Verizon
installed fiber and now they run everything - phone, tv and internet -
over the one fiber instead of twisted pairs and multiple coaxes.
Plus we have more TV channels available than we had with coax.
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| Re: Pepper and Salt! (Condiments of the season) :-) [message #359534 is a reply to message #359530] |
Sat, 23 December 2017 23:10 |
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Originally posted by: Jerry Stuckle
On 12/23/2017 10:41 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> In article <p1n2g3$bm7$2@jstuckle.eternal-september.org>,
> jstucklex@attglobal.net says...
>>
>> Do you mind if I ask which VOIP company you're using (reply by email if
>> you wish). I'm considering switching both my home and business numbers
>> to another company. Verizon has gone VOIP but they're expensive (and
>> have fewer features).
>
> The company is/was Time Warner Cable that was bought or merged with
> Spectrum. I only had the internet before the merge and it was about $
> 60 and the land line phone with another company was about $ 40 or $ 45
> or just the basic service. No caller ID and 10 cents a minuit for long
> distance.
>
> By bundling the internet and phone I am paying about $ 69 per month for
> both services and that includes a surcharge for the wifi modem and
> probably because I wanted to keep Earthlink as the ISP instead of going
> with them which I think is Roadrunner.
>
> https://www.spectrum.com/home-phone.html
>
> They advertise $ 29.99 each for some cable TV, phone , and internet if
> you bundle them together. There is no contract or anyting. Not sure
> how long they will hold that price as it has only been a few months.
> Did not want the TV as using Direct TV and the wife wanted to keep it.
>
> Only drawback I can think of now is if the cable line goes out I have to
> use a cell phone to call them.
>
>
>
Ah, OK. I thought you had gone with one of the VOIP companies. We
don't have Spectrum here; there are some places on the other side of the
river in Virginia with them, but all we have available are Verizon and
XFinity. I think Verizon is the lesser of the two evils :)
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